Obama Libya War Powers Debate: Obama’s Lawyers Are Worse Than Bush’s,
Glenn Greenwald Says

http://tinyurl.com/3guhldq

First Posted: 06/19/11 12:58 PM ET Updated: 08/19/11 06:12 AM ET

President Barack Obama overruled top lawyers from the Justice Department and
the Pentagon and decided he has the legal authority to continue the air war in
Libya without congressional approval, the New York Times reported Friday night.

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Rohde is quite correct. drones did fill his Taliban captor gunmen with fear…..

this is a good thing.

war criminals don’t count their victims
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Feature — May / June 2011
Covering Obama’s Secret War
When drones strike, key questions go unasked and unanswered
By Tara McKelvey

http://www.cjr.org/feature/covering_obamas_secret_war.php?
page=all&print=true

In the spring of 2009, New York Times reporter David Rohde was being held
captive by Taliban gunmen in a house in Waziristan, a mountainous region on
the Pakistan side of the border with Afghanistan. Aerial drones soared
overhead, filling him and his kidnappers with a sense of dread, until one day,
he later wrote, “Our nightmare had come to pass.” A drone fired missiles near
their house, killing several militants on a road and terrifying people in the area.
The house withstood the attack but, Rohde wrote, “the plastic sheeting covering
the window hung in tatters.” He learned about the efficiency of the drones on
that day and also saw the wrath they incurred: “My captors expressed more
hatred for President Obama than for President Bush.”

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dog——the Bush admin never carried out any other invasion….

you can’t expolain Libya that way…..

General Wesley Clark explains Libyan invasion, Syria, Somalia planned years in
advance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSNyPS0fXpU

dog——did you read that Global research bulspit and fail to notice that there
wasn’t a stinking bit of anything that substantiate the claim in the title…....

the sole claim to a tie-in is this

“Clearly, seasoned imperial powers such as Britain, France and the US, would
not commit to the huge expenditure of a months-long air campaign to bring
somebody to power in such a strategically important, oil rich state, unless they
were already a tried and trusted asset.”

that’s all of it….... a simple stupid and silly insistance that it must be true
because the ayuthor thinks that it makes sense.

RIF…...

what are your degrees in, dog????????????

Libya Invasion Planned by NATO Since 2007 with the Support of MI6
Mustafa Abdul-Jalil and Mahmoud Jibril have been paving the way for NATO’s
conquest since 2007
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26804
Global Research, September 27, 2011

A violent rebellion broke out in Benghazi, Libya on February 15th this year (1).
Six days later, Libyan Justice Minister Mustafa Abdul-Jalil resigned to set up an
alternative government. On February 27th, the Transitional National Council
was established, and on March 5th, this body had declared itself the “sole
representative of all Libya”, with Abdul-Jalil at its head. France recognised the
TNC as the legitimate Libyan government on March 10th and Britain offered
them a diplomatic office on UK soil the same day. Nine days later, the Council
set up a new Libyan Central Bank and National Oil Company (2). In barely a
month from the start of the rebellion, Abdul-Jalil had positioned himself as
head not only of the rebels, but of the new government in waiting, with control
of Libyan resources and monetary policy and the blessing of the West. On
March 17th, NATO began its mass slaughter of Libyan soldiers in order to
install his regime.

Abdul-Jalil gained his job in the Libyan government in January 2007, when he
was named Secretary of the General People’s Committee for Justice (the
equivalent of Justice Minister). He has been paving the way for NATO’s military
and economic conquest of Libya ever since. 

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dog—- why did your schooling not prepare you to distinguish between
unsupported accusation and proof?

and why do you persist in attempting to affix responsibility for all the deaths in
Libya to NATO, which entered the fray long after the blood of thousands had been
spilled?

advance degrees taken in the 70s and 80s are better than what’s generally on offer
today - and as noted, will become no part of any pissing match with any duped-
out troll, given to ad hominem invective - worthy of no polemic - were there any
interest in genuine engagement, entry level courses in classical rhetoric would be
advised - highly unlikely

dog—- AI spends the time and effort to document what they say…. and you post a
link to nothing more than OPINION from some flaky psychologist former advisor to
Arafat.

this is not gonna help get you into college.

as noted: war criminals never count their victims… anyway it’s just a statistic

‘NATO Game Over’: 500 held at anti-war protest at HQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngkli0QFwgc&feature=player_embedded

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Amnesty and the NATO Cover-Up of War Crimes in Libya. (updated)
Posted on March 22, 2012 - http://tinyurl.com/7ywxljq

By Christof Lehmann – nsnbc. Yesterday, on 19 March 2012, Amnesty
International was calling on NATO to “investigate the killing of dozens of
civilians during it`s air campaign last year and to provide reparations to the
people affected”. Amnesty further stated that “adequate investigations must be
carried out and full reparation provided to the victims and their families“. NATO
rebutted Amnesty International`s call for an investigation and compensation
for the “dozens” of civilians, and in doing so, NATO has entered an elegant
propaganda dance macabre. A propaganda dance macabre, designed to
dominate and more importantly direct the public and political discourse away
from the true dimensions and proportions of the war crimes that were
committed under NATO command as well as command responsibility.

Reality Amnesty-Style is depended on the all important methodology. With the
correct methodology it is possible to reduce a genocide to 55 documented
cases – and viola an amazed misinformed public donates to Amnesty`s
peacers, pats them on their back asking them to “keep up the good work“.

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dog——NATO can be ACCUSED of eating human flesh and crapping in church,
..having evidence of some sort remains dispositive among the people who are
relatively sane.

‘Free Syrian Army foot-soldiers of Western military alliance’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAjvCJtyAv4&feature=player_embedded

my post-grad degrees stand up well enough - they’ll be no part of any pissing
contest as witnessed herein of late

- experience traveling on all continents informs that dupes and trolls who
surface to spew pathetic ad-hominem invective are de facto personas non
gratas

- there is no polemic with dupes - war criminals never count their victims… but
the world is watching:

Silence of UN, NATO’s killing of civilians & future of nations

Wed, 2012-03-28 00:26
http://tinyurl.com/79hyar3
By Shenali Waduge

Libya extends over 1759540 square kilometres (679362 sq mi) and is home
to 6.4million people. On 17 March 2011, the UN Security Council adopted
Resolution 1973 on Libya proposed by France, Lebanon & UK. Regime change in
Iraq took 8 years and trillion dollars, the Liberating Libya took just 7 months
but NATO is accused of thousands of civilian deaths which they refuse to
admit or compensate.

Gaddafi may have been a dictator but he was a dictator far different from
others having brought Libya to a status where it functioned without a single
loan from the IMF or World Bank and its central bank was 100% owned by the
Libyan Government. In short Libya was a debt free nation under Gaddafi. In
1951 Libya was the poorest country in the world. Before US/NATO invaded
Libya it had the highest standard of living in Africa and a literacy rate of 83%. It
was also called the Switzerland of the African continent. One of the first things
the “rebels” have done is to change Libyan central bank to a western type one.
We can now assume who the real instigators of these military interventions are.
Ironically, global leaders are merely tools themselves!

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any issue with that? - take it up with Mr. Shenali Waduge, clearly a journalist far
more savvy than typical NYT useful fools

dog——because there’s evidence for around 100 ....does not imply that it’s
50k…..

you’re not entitled to your own planet and populations of mythical dead.

if you get to college somedy, you’re gonna find that some of the more uncool
teachers are gonna want stuff like evidence ...and are not gonna be satisfied with
the ravings of loons such as Tarpley and Alex Jones and whomever is reading the
scripts from the Lubyanka on RT.

visa versa: 50k is credible 100 is not - NYT Empire shills are not to be believed -
dupes are not to be engaged - persona-non-grata trolls are to be reviled

dog—- that’s much better. about 100 civilians killed by the bombing is a credible
figure .......

rather than that quite incredible 50k.

regurgitating lies of war criminals is all that is to be expected of dupes

“We have carried out this operation very carefully, without confirmed civilian
casualties,” the secretary general of NATO, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, said in
November.

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but even when quoting war criminals, the Lies of The Times was forced by facts
on the ground to write this: http://tinyurl.com/7etf8q5

But an on-the-ground examination by The New York Times of airstrike
sites across Libya — including interviews with survivors, doctors and witnesses,
and the collection of munitions remnants, medical reports, death certificates
and photographs — found credible accounts of dozens of civilians killed by
NATO in many distinct attacks. The victims, including at least 29 women or
children, often had been asleep in homes when the ordnance hit.

In all, at least 40 civilians, and perhaps more than 70, were killed by NATO at
these sites, available evidence suggests. While that total is not high compared
with other conflicts in which Western powers have relied heavily on air power,
and less than the exaggerated accounts circulated by the Qaddafi government,
it is also not a complete accounting. Survivors and doctors working for the
anti-Qaddafi interim authorities point to dozens more civilians wounded in
these and other strikes, and they referred reporters to other sites where civilian
casualties were suspected.

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if NYT empire shills are forced to acknowledge that much, it’s understood
they’re off by a factor of at least 1000

dog——you can’t call it terror bombing because you say that 50k civilians
perished from things OTHER THAN the bombing.

that simply doesn’t work on any level.

civilians were massively bombed in Libya - 50k+ civilians perished in Libya due
directly to the NATO-sponsored neocolonial, coup d’etat, insurrection -
NATO’s 7-month body count outstrips Gaddafies’ 40-year regime by by over
10 to one - NATO are the world’s premiere war criminals, hands down!

moreover…

HCON 107 IH

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the
sense of Congress that, except in response to an actual or imminent attack
against the territory of the United States, the use of offensive military force by a
President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress violates
Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11
of the Constitution and therefore constitutes an impeachable high crime and
misdemeanor under article II, section 4 of the Constitution.

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there is no polemic with dupes - just the facts ma’m - there is no recognition
for personas-non-gratas trolls… c’est finis!

dog—- terror bombardment is of civilians, and the
Libya bombardment of Qaddaffy’s thugs doesn’t qualify
as bombarding civilians.

Gaddafie’s life-time body count measures minimally next to the 50k+ perished
by NATO war criminals: Obomber, Cameruin, Sharkozy, Rusemachen and their
dutiful ranks of henchmen

at one point in the campaign, Canadian airmen refused to complete missions,
refused to bomb civilians - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9aFoKteevI - in
truth NATO’s Libyan bombing campaign targeted civilians from the outset -
terror bombing - more tonnage than the Luftwaffa dropped on Britain

make no mistake: exactly the same wholesale terror bombardment is planned
for Syria, and any other regime that refuses to submit to IMF/World Bank
hegemony - this is now the spearhead of THE GLOBAL WAR OF TERROR -
directed by and for THE GLOBAL FINANCE OLIGARCHY

stooges like Kap, Cagle Cartoons, Spain are most likely unwitting useful fools

Personally, i’m feeling Iraq, Lybia, and Afghanistan should have been left on their own to the peoples of those countries, and, NOT to the elitest snobs that have invaded.

And, had i known while i was an enlisted man that my illustrious government was misappropriating my tax monies(as far as i’m concerned), buying terrorist groups back in the 1980’s, i would have resigned my enlistment then.  No doubt, because a lot of others might have as well, is why it was kept secret for so long. 

Just another two cents, for what it’s worth.

vec——- I couldn’t couldn’t care less and nothing
doesn’t not say so

truffledigger, I liked that Qaddafi, the dictator of
the last 40 years and a murdering madman , was removed
from power.

I wish that he had been tried and imprisoned for the
rest of his fucked-up life rather than dealt the sort
of justice that he himself dealt in.

yup——there’s no government headed by ruthless, worthless thugs and killers
....unless we can blame it on old Uncle Sugar….

yup…we must pretend that no other crimes exist.

yup, we’re a big bunch of infantile asswipes.

more agitprop - pressing for full-on war - full-blown bombardment of another sovereign
nation - and the only one pointing a red-stained-baiting finger here at voices questioning this
blatant agitprop is exactly the one who typically shills, indeed, shills relentlessly for hegemony
of the global finance oligarchy, in the guise of humanitarian justice

the hegemons very first action in Syria will copy what they did in Libya (as soon as they had
control of Benghazi, which in fact is barely controlled on the street, even today)...

that action: set up a Rothchild-controlled central bank - transparency too embarrassing to
discuss…

ergo, said operative among us: encore et toujours persona non grata

A rather obnoxious point of view, kap, if i do say so myself.  It never ceases to amaze me how the west is, and always has been, so critical of others, but when it comes to it’s own blood bath’s it’s like, how dare you question our actions.  This post may be, too, critical of others, however, i’m not out acting as though i were marshal of the universe, as america and friends, have elected themselves as.  And this one individual has but one thing to say to those that have so elected themselves:  YUK! YUK! And double YUK!

poor kids here only like cartoons with the usual villiian and will excuse mass
slaughter of the innocent by most anybody other than Uncle Sam…..

good little Stalinists they are.

As now with toxic stream in every endeavor this cartoon encourages distortion, over-simplification, and illusion. Truthdig ought to disallow all this ad hominem garbage from its site.

What CIA Cartoonist created this bit of obvious propaganda?