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By oddsox, February 26, 2012 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment
John Poole, yes, I saw that Fish distinguishes 21st Century fallen soldiers from those who went before.
There is a distinction between supporting a war and supporting our troops.
Fish and others on this thread have insulted the memories of the very people who died to protect their freedoms.
Shame upon them.
By John Poole, February 25, 2012 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment
Oddsox: Fish was referencing today’s soldier not soldiers in pervious eras. I feel
today’s military is serving the ruling elite who wage foreign invasions for profit. I
can easily see “peaceful assembly” protesting capitialistic greed and foreign wars
being labeled as a terroristic tactic soon. Bravery is meeting the phantom baddies
in one’s own neighborhood. Maybe I’ll die defending my own home and
neighborhood from invaders but that will be my choice. That’s a hell of a lot braver
than asking some hapless and clueless kid to suit up and fight my “enemies” in
By oddsox, February 25, 2012 at 11:08 am Link to this comment
jim mcdonagh, thank you for your service, God Bless You.
By oddsox, February 24, 2012 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment
What’s wrong with Mr. Fish?
Bob Hope still plays before the The Fallen—in a full Heavenly house every night.
Not a chance.
If Fish lived in the PRC and published a cartoon as critical of the Chinese army, would he be around long enough to create his next drawing (the one with the weird bedroom scene that nobody gets)?
At best, he’d been put in a cell somewhere with a piece of chalk.
And what’s wrong with the rest of you posters on this thread?
Without the American soldier would you be able to enjoy your “intellectual interactions” without fear?
Very, very doubtful.
We are, each of us, free to express our opinions because of those who fought and died so that we might.
Since the Revolution, the American soldier has always been there to protect us.
May God keep them safe—and us from learning what happens without them.
By EmileZ, February 22, 2012 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment
@ vector 56
Like I tried to say before in my hasty fashion, I totally intellectually agree with you absolutely and without any exceptions whatsoever more or less.
By vector56, February 22, 2012 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment
“I don’t see what there is to intellectually disagree with there. “
I appreciate your civility; and enjoy the interaction.
I see the “sticking point” of who the real “victims” are as something that it at the very core of why we fight, kill and die!
Were the German soldiers who pushed the millions of Jewish men women and children into the gas chambers, shot them in the heads (allowing their bodies to fall in to graves they dug), burned them alive…. where these young men “victims”?
The “killers” of millions (in my mind) do not get to claim victim-hood. You see, if those who do the “dirty” work for the elite can claim to be victims themselves, then the carnage will never end.
Without those who do the slaying, the suits in Washington could not have harmed one Vietnamese child; one Iraqi child or the many Iranian men women and children yet to die!
By EmileZ, February 22, 2012 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment
Ok with me. I was just trying to accomodate you.
I don’t see what there is to intellectually disagree with there.
By vector56, February 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment
EmileZ and kerryrose;
With all due respect; and from what I have read of your previous writings here I do respect both of you; emotionally, I get where you are coming from, but intellectually, I must disagree.
Remember that saying, “What if the had a war and no one showed up”?
These guys (the Troops) “always” show up!
To jump into a plane, fly across the ocean and murder ” millions” of poorer men women and children for unimaginable rich people is a sin beyond redemption! We killed them (Vietnam) because they “Democratically” chose a economic system that was different form our own.
Instead of fighting for social-economic justice here, these poor bastards turned the guns provided by the rich on people even poorer than themselves.
Without the “Troops” the elite would have no power. So,understand; I do not see the “life-takers” as “victims!”
By kerryrose, February 22, 2012 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment
My question was not ‘trick’ at all. It was a sincere question to the effect of ‘you can’t blame the victim.’
I concede your point, so I can’t fight about it, but part of me wonders if soldiers are not victims themselves as are the people that they kill. It helps to identify the main abuserer without whom none of this would be possible.
By EmileZ, February 22, 2012 at 11:13 am Link to this comment
Let me be clear about my previous comment, when Mr Hendrix sings:
Evil man make me kill you
Evil man make you kill me
I hardly see, say a young man in the middle east or southeast asia defending his country from foreign occupiers as being made to kill by anyone other then the “evil man” who ordered the invasion to begin with.
In other words, in many situations it is the same “evil man” making the poor kids kill each other on both sides.
By EmileZ, February 22, 2012 at 11:00 am Link to this comment
Band Of Gypsys - Machine Gun
I hope this works for you vector56.
By vector56, February 22, 2012 at 10:42 am Link to this comment
EmileZ; I agree with you and brother Mayfield.
Maybe Mayfield could write a song asking the poor to stop killing other poor people for the rich?
By jim mcdonagh, February 22, 2012 at 9:15 am Link to this comment
thought full rendering but a little unfair. i was in vietnam in 67-68 an saw a bob hope show it was a lot of fun. i know he made a really good living off of the various wars, but he was no worse than todays n.g.os. who gad about the world to enjoy poverty and suffering,handing out tarps emblazoned with corporate logos at least with bob you got a song and dance.
By EmileZ, February 22, 2012 at 7:34 am Link to this comment
“We Got To Have Peace”
I am Curtis Mayfield and I approved this message of love.
By vector56, February 22, 2012 at 6:57 am Link to this comment
“Is this fair? Do American soldiers go to hell? Low income, practically unemployable in any way except minimum wage= kids that take a job that may give them dignity and purpose that they can not find in a bleak future.”
If I bought into the idea of “hell”, I would say, “Yes”; American soldiers do go to hell. To unpack your trick question; they do not end up in hell because they are American Soldiers per-say, but because they serve the Corporate Global Killing Machine.
Poor people allowing themselves to be used by the unimaginable rich to kill even poor people to transfer Natural Resources to the coffers of these “Dark Gods”.
Above and beyond the carnage and murder of millions of human beings even poorer than the poor “suckers” who sign up to kill for the rich one must consider the generations who will be robbed of the value of their countries natural resources and their potential wages.
So, yes to misquote another great entertainer (Curtis Mayfield) “if there is hell below, these guys should go!”
By kerryrose, February 22, 2012 at 6:18 am Link to this comment
Is this fair? Do American soldiers go to hell? Low income, practically unemployable in any way except minimum wage= kids that take a job that may give them dignity and purpose that they can not find in a bleak future.
The extent to which they still believe this after a few tours speaks more to their relative evil.
By EmileZ, February 22, 2012 at 1:59 am Link to this comment
“Would You Go All The Way” (for the U.S.O.)???
By John Poole, February 21, 2012 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment
Perfect! A Pulitzer? I always thought Hope was a foxhole ghoul
By rumblingspire, February 21, 2012 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment
Genesis - From Genesis To Revelation 1969
“fill your head with love”
By Big B, February 21, 2012 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment
I have always thought that Bob Hope was at the same corner table in Hell, playing cards with Reagan, Pol Pot and pope Pious.
Yea, I’m still pretty sure thats where he is, Fish’s cartoon not withstanding.