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Posted on May 15, 2011

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By fern, April 19, 2012 at 10:23 am Link to this comment
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Jesus may have had a radical philosophy in the middle east, I believe his fight was mainly against the high priesthood in Jerusalem, as they were allowed to collect a ten percent tax on all Jewish income by the Romans thus enriching themselves supporting the Roman invaders. At the time there were plenty of revolts against the Romans but not all Jews were against the Romans so they lost each time so by telling people the non-Jews that they could convert and accept the Jewish God he could probably change the game and reinforce those revolutionaries, the high priesthood saw him as a threat and managed to have him crucified which was a common punishment and as for the punishment itself they seldom used nails mostly ropes, they never carried a cross and it was never a cross, more like a tee, so they would carry a beam to the place of excution where it would be lifted atop another beam their feet tied up and their knees broken, they would slowly asphyxiate and the centurion on guard would be paid to shorten the life of the convict.
Flavius Josephus does not mention Jesus in his book, more, some historians are starting to doubt its historical accuracy as it may have been biased.

The cartoon tells me the American Christians should go back to forgiving not only themselves but the others like the Gay, the contraceptionists and the abortionists to name a few.

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By american, June 13, 2011 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment
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I’m glad we shot him in the head.

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By oddsox, May 28, 2011 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

Wonder if this cartoon is being circulated in the Muslim world and how it’s viewed there?

@Arabian Sinbad, I doubt Mr. Fish will answer your querie, not if he’s smart. 

In fact, this cartoon would have been more powerful without a caption. 

Best to let the illustration explain itself, provoking the wide range of thought, emotion and comment that it has. 

Great stuff Mr. Fish.

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By Alan Lunn, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment
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“Love your enemies” and “do good to them that
despitefully use you.” That’s part of what is
sometimes called “the doctrine of Christ.”

So, to the fundamentalist, would the gospel say “love
your enemies” to the practitioner of Christ’s
doctrine and that God expect you to follow that
dictum and yet that would not be God’s essential
nature?

Are those with their shorts in a knot about this
cartoon offended that Jesus could be just and
merciful even to his “enemies?” The Christian world
doesn’t get it, I trow.

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By basho, May 19, 2011 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment

“...boggles my mind a bit”

reading your posts, this is easy to understand lol

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By PatrickHenry, May 17, 2011 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

This portrayal of Jesus with Osama is the epitome of what Christianity is all about, not the gun slinger christian soldier rock stars running and gunning in the mideast.

Remember if the US wasn’t ‘over there’ the legacy of OBL would never have happened. 

OBL was simply a negative side affect resultant of constant U.S. meddling in other nations internal affairs, which we were warned of by the founders of this nation.

I am sure there are many more evil men in the U.S. in both the Government and Industry who would make OBL look like a saint.

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By Lew Ciefer, May 17, 2011 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

@MarthaA:

Yeah, I know the myth quite well Martha. Remember I’m a Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Satanic Cultist non-believer. The idea that an individual, a parallel to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and all the other mass murderers of humanity—the only difference being scale—is being embraced by Jesus boggles my mind a bit. But, if it makes you feel all tingly inside to think that Jesus would embrace such vermin, more power to you. Whatever gets you through the day, I always say.

I don’t want to waste any more time than I already have on this topic because from what I’ve been told you’ll be able to ask Jesus personally if Osama is with him. Supposedly, Saturday, the 21 of May, 2011, is Rapture day. Are you excited? I am! Less than a week and oh boy!

Some glad morning when this life is o’er,
I’ll fly away;
To a home on God’s celestial shore,
I’ll fly away

I’ll fly away, Oh Glory
I’ll fly away; (in the morning)
When I die, Hallelujah, by and by,
I’ll fly away

Second verse same as the first…

I’m Henry ...

Opps!

Pssst! Do you find that drawing more than just a little ... GAY! ... Gurl Pluuuuuuese! Osama looks absoluuuuuuuuuutely ORGASMIC!

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By nikto, May 17, 2011 at 11:05 am Link to this comment
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According to current Baptist/Evangelical/GOP dogma,
Jesus sins when he acts likes Jesus.
He is only Jesus when he uses his big, bloody sword.
You know, the sword so often depicted in the Bible.


Jesus does sin—You know, doing all that “forgiving” and “turning the other cheek” stuff.

What is Jesus—-Some kind of forgiving DEMON,
or something?
Sheesh!

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By Queenie, May 17, 2011 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

I love this picture, Mr. Fish.

It made me cry but it gave me hope.

Unlike Obama who gave me hope then made me cry.

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By WykydRed, May 17, 2011 at 4:40 am Link to this comment

Can I just say, Mr. Fish, with all the heavy discussions going on here about this piece of art and what it represents and yadda, yadda, yadda…

I just love this one on so many levels. Levels i haven’t even interpreted yet. Thank you for the art. I just want to touch it, so I guess I’ll have to go with the coffee mug.

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By Arabian Sinbad, May 17, 2011 at 1:32 am Link to this comment

Gulam, May 16 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment

“That little stunt of Ash, that putting Einstein, Lincoln, and Gandhi together as some sort of weird modern liberal hero ensemble is one of the most peculiar demonstrations of media-driven herd thought that I have ever seen.”
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Well done Gulam! Your response to Ash’s “little stunt” was indeed on the mark; it expresses mature, educated analysis of the “human idols” that some superficial minds worship and idealize.

I really enjoyed reading your post!

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By Gulam, May 16, 2011 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment

Yes, very well done indeed Mr. Fish.
I keep a file on my desktop with his best cartoons,
and this one is wonderful. This one will likely
even edge out “LIberal Phil” as my favourite.

That little stunt of Ash, that putting Einstein, Lincoln, and Gandhi together as
some sort of weird modern liberal hero ensemble is one of the most peculiar
demonstrations of media-driven herd thought that I have ever seen. Do you
mean the Einstein who went to the president urging him to make the first
atomic weapons? Such a humanitarian was he. Is he one of your heroes?
Without the secrecy of the war Americans might not have led the world so
thoughtlessly into this nuclear debacle that will in the end cost far far more
than it yields in benefits and could kill us all. I assume that you mean Abraham
Lincoln, the guy who turned a long-standing economic, social, and
humanitarian problem into a bloodbath that destroyed a large portion of North
America and set the US military industrial complex on a course of murder
across the West, into Mexico, and on and on around the world. Many of the
extra-constitutional presidential powers now assumed by American presidents
were first proven to be viable strategies by your beloved Lincoln. The Mahatma
helped drive the British out of India alright, but his result was a divided India
that started its freedom from the British with a bloodbath leaving the country in
three pieces. You seem to favour men who spoke liberal crap but whose actions
led to the death and maiming of humans and other creatures by the hundreds
of thousands.

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By Arabian Sinbad, May 16, 2011 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

What I read in this cartoon is that both Jesus and Osama were revolutionaries working against the crooked standards of their times. They both had reformist visions of the wrongs of their times, yet they both had very few followers in their life-times and they were both persecuted by the evil authorities of their times.

That’s why Jesus is embracing Osama as a symbol of the affinity that existed between them.

I hope Mr. Fish would post a note either to confirm my interpretation of his cartoon or to correct my own reading of it!

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By john Poole, May 16, 2011 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment
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Geez, looks pretty homoerotic to me but then I’ve been dodging all the alpha
males in other realms (God, Jesus, the “Devil” etc) who say they want me to love
them, worship them and be completely submissive to them. Yikes, that still
makes me uncomfortable. They promise me immortality if I obey and love them.
There beseeching proposal isn’t tempting.

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By reynolds, May 16, 2011 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment

jesus might not be the only fictional character in the
cartoon. fictional goodness is still better than real
badness.

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By Big B, May 16, 2011 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

All these comments would be even more interesting if JESUS HAD ACTUALLY EXISTED. But since he was a fictional character, it doesn’t really matter now, does it.

Ever notice all the depictions of Jesus have him as a white guy? And Mary and joseph, and all the saints. Wow, these white folks must have stuck out like sore thumbs. no wonder they were caught and persecuted.

Oh, that’s right, they were bullshit too.

good work Fish.

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By reynolds, May 16, 2011 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

it’s “deeply offensive” (jrosenb1) that christ is
depicted as acting christ-like? and you’re sensitive to
things “stupidly cynical”?

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By jrosenb1, May 16, 2011 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment
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No, in fact I don’t believe “all politicians are scum.”  Some are better than others.  Obama is better than most, but I’ve often disagreed with him, too.  I have my own reservations about the action in Abbotabad, and have written to the President about it.  One way or another, life is complex, and I think we need to rein in our cynicism in a political era that’s a definite improvement over the previous eight years.  Mr. Fish’s recent cartoon, meanwhile, did not add to my understanding. I was perhaps wrong to use the word “hate” in describing my reaction to Mr. Fish’s politics.  His cartoons often elicit from me a sad shrug.

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By faith, May 16, 2011 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

Two comments:
1- jrosenb1, you are on point.  Particularly, the observation concerning Mr. Fish’s
ofttimes cynicism.
2-  However, it was Jesus who did indeed tell the young lawyer that the basis of
religious law rested on two tenets:  Love God; Love your fellow man.  Very tough to
do.  However, if everyone participated in that concept right-left-or indifferent,
there would then be no fundamental basis for war, hatred.  And, although
communication may still be misunderstood it would survive because of those two
tenets Jesus iterated.  A very good thing.

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By EH, May 16, 2011 at 11:40 am Link to this comment
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jrosen, you like his politics when they take hits at Bush, or other members of the GOP. Once he started going after Obama you started hating him. Am I right? I voted for O too, but I knew that I wasn’t fooling myself. All politicians are scum, thankfully we’ve got people like Fish to remind us of that.

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By robjira, May 16, 2011 at 11:30 am Link to this comment
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effin’ awesome.

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By Jayden Cameron, May 16, 2011 at 6:26 am Link to this comment
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Self-hatred, self-righteousness, and self-pity?

Sounds like militant Christianity to me.

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By basho, May 16, 2011 at 1:27 am Link to this comment

‘self-hatred, self-righteousness, and self-pity. I’m talking about militant Islam.” ‘

...a self-righteous comment if there ever was one. lol

C.H.‘s grasp of history borders on the moronic.

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By prisnersdilema, May 16, 2011 at 12:01 am Link to this comment

It’s a beautiful picture in a way, but it has to be looked at with the eyes of the heart, the
mind usually makes it all crazy.

I’d love to see a picture of Christ, Mohammed, and Buddha in a group hug.

That would sure piss a few people off.

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By MarthaA, May 15, 2011 at 9:35 pm Link to this comment

Lew Ciefer, May 15 at 6:02 pm,

Do you know the reason Jesus allowed himself to be sacrificed?  It
was all the sin you’ve mentioned and more, as acceptance of Jesus’
shed blood as your sacrifice for sin allows there to be no
condemnation for sin if one is in Christ Jesus, by the acceptance of
the gift of God.

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By MarthaA, May 15, 2011 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment

Love your neighbor as yourself just isn’t allowed.

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By Misfiteye, May 15, 2011 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment

Self-hatred, self-righteousness, and self-pity.

Sound like Religion to me.

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By Lew Ciefer, May 15, 2011 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

One really big problem with this message is that Jesus clearly stated impure thoughts were sinful. You know ... thinking about banging some booty made you guilty of banging booty. Likewise planning to murder thousands of innocent human beings means you are guilty of mass murder and are going to pay me a visit ... for a very long time.

“Now let’s not dance around, not all monotheisms are exactly the same at the moment. They’re all based on the same illusions, they’re all plagiarisms of each other but there is one in particular that at the moment is proposing a serious menace not only to freedom of speech and freedom of expression but to quite a lot of other freedoms too. And this is the relationship that exhibits the horrible trio of self-hatred, self-righteousness, and self-pity. I’m talking about militant Islam.” -Christopher Hitchens (<- bless him)

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By Ash, May 15, 2011 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment
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Yet, according to most adherents of that same “radical Middle Eastern philosophy”, Jesus would send another person—-no matter how generous, wise, and compassionate during her life—-to Hell to suffer for all eternity if she didn’t have adequate faith in his divine birth, death, and resurrection. That’s a pretty messed up philosophy that welcomes Bin Laden to Heaven (who, in this cartoon, must have repented and accepted Jesus into his heart a few moments before the bullet penetrated his brain) but condemns people like Einstein, Lincoln, and Gandhi. Or, if indeed all people are forgiven after death, then Jesus is profoundly unjust since there are no long-term (i.e. eternal) consequences for bad behavior. So, yeah, I’d be pretty pissed off if I lived the best life I could and then had to spend eternity with bin Laden who got off scott free.

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By jrosenb1, May 15, 2011 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Mr. Fish: I have long loved your well-wrought graphic art.  But, left wing though I be, I hate your politics.  Your cartoons are juvenile, stupidly cynical, and in the most recent case, at least (Jesus and Osama), deeply offensive.  But then, like you really care what I think.  I just had to say this.

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