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By rugs, June 24, 2007 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment
“Iraqis WERE shooting each other up before we got there.
The media just didnt care enough to inform you every day.”
It seems obvious to me that the one hundred years of history involving the Europeans in the Middle East and then the consecutive American influence has been dually ignored in order to maim the guilt that you wish to eradicate.
Oh of course, the Iraqi and Afghani people are just blood-sucking cannibals! Their moral conduct is completely independent of their socio-economic condition! that must be it!
Although these people are more weathered to severe trauma than college students, it doesn’t devalue the bottom line that is death. they’re not just “casualties,” either. what a disgusting misnomer.
By Jared W., May 18, 2007 at 8:44 pm Link to this comment
Love the name by the way. Most people don’t even know the name of that fish. ok..no I definitely don’t worship our government. I don’t think Bush is perfect. What I am sick of is him getting bashed left and right. He made a decision that he genuinely thought was best. Ok..you’re President Ichthus… The CIA, FBI, Israeli Massad, British MI-6 ALL tell you Iraq had WMD’s… What do you do? WELL….you go find the damn things. When they don’t turn up? Blood for oil! Thats crap. God has appointed our leader for a reason. You may not like it but He sets up Kings and takes them down. Period. You will never convince me of malicious intent from Pres Bush. A mistake is just that. But there are a bunch of Lefties that are out of control.
By Douglas Chalmers, May 17, 2007 at 5:40 am Link to this comment
#70474 by Jared W. on 5/16 at 6:40 pm: “...Rom 13:1 - Let every soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but from God: the powers that are, are ordained by God….”
Already a twisted statement (typical of “Romas”, ha ha) - more like “...the powers that are…” would like to imagine that they “...are ordained by God…”!!!
By Ichthus, May 16, 2007 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment
In the dialect of Bush: Americans and their Americanism have forgotten patriotics and you sure have been victimed to the idea that uh, uh loving your country means uh, uh worshipping your govment, supporting your respresent, I mean leaders, no matter what they do.
Well, Jared W., Jefferson said, “dissent is the highest form of patriotism.”
“G.W. FOR PRESIDENT 2008” (If you’re not with me your against me)
By Jared W., May 16, 2007 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment
And to Ichthus and friends-
You say you “hope I don’t call myself a chirstian” Well I never did but why because I have a harsh tone? Strong opinions? language? You are against God here not me. You have turned your back on the authority that God placed over you. You’ve said “God, you’re leader is a dumbass and you can have him back. You screwed up.” I’m a rough ol bastard but I know my priorities. I don’t want to hear any Bush haters calling themsleves “christians” you treasonist “blind mice”
Rom 13:1 - Let every soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but from God: the powers that are, are ordained by God.
By Jared W., May 16, 2007 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment
Iraqis WERE shooting each other up before we got there.
The media just didn’t care enough to inform you every day. Those people have been fighting for 6,000 years over a little patch of desert and no one is going to change that. Thats just the way it is. Sons of Ishmael will always raise their hands against the sons of Isaac. No politics. No army. No internet message board is ever going to change it. And the Muslims (as we see more often than the former) even fight each other. I for getting our troops home but not because I watched comedy central bash Bush so much that I just decided I hated everything he did like a bunch of you sheep. I say bring em home cause there is no hope for those crazy towel heads. Let em kill each other. Not us.
By Harley, May 15, 2007 at 2:24 am Link to this comment
First of all, I resent you calling me a Christian, I’m a reformed catholic that personally only at times,I get advice from the bible, because i hate being told what to believe by people like you throwing religion in politics, peoples choices, and just plain a life of liberty, and freedom of religion (constitutional). Being Christian is not a path to god, The Conservitive religous right started this war, and voted for it, Bush’s main voting base, don’t try to put me there.
Second, never said the war saved lives.
Third,the last thing im doing is profiting from this dumbass war, ya blind mouse.
By ichthus, May 15, 2007 at 12:50 am Link to this comment
I hope you don’t call yourself a Christian
You blind mouse
EXPLAIN HOW THE WAR IN IRAQ HAS SAVED LIVES!
I hope there is something you care about more than money
God Bless you
By Harley, May 10, 2007 at 3:34 am Link to this comment
I hate g.w.bush’s war,I respect our troops and the position our troops are in, they are warriors,Americas Best, doing what they are trained to. Without them, ten years ago, or 50 years ago, we would be speaking a different language, and the world would be alot different, and you might not be here? Iraq is not our best target, Bin Laden is, and bush sucks, but Dr. Blackmoor, give credit were credit is due,the goverment the people elected, not the troops kill, and if you keep pictures of burned people, get a life.
By Jim Bolene, May 8, 2007 at 5:10 am Link to this comment
my stomach hurts
By Jared W., May 2, 2007 at 12:01 am Link to this comment
We’ve lost about 3,000 soldiers in Iraq over almost 5 years. 42,000 people dies in car accidents in U.S every year. The war has actually prevented, at best posteponed, the deaths of tens of thousands of people. We lost 500 A DAY in vietnam. This ‘war’ is nothing you hippie bastards. Go smoke your pot and shut the fuck up.
By Political Insurgent, April 30, 2007 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment
Hey, someone said it! Thank you Lucky!
The thing about Americans is, they can watch and hear about bloodshed being commited overseas, but god forbid it should ever touch them. Nobody can live in a bubble for long, it WILL get popped. I hear people saying, sure, what’s happening in Iraq is horrible, but how DARE you compare it to the atrocity at VA Tech?? Who cares if a bunch of coloreds a million miles away are shooting each other up, these are middle class Americans we’re talking about! This kind of gruesome stuff should never touch us!
It’s a racist, bubble mentality that needs to die.
And then Westerners are so quick to say, hey, it’s the “I"raqis that are shooting each OTHER up! Are the invading troops not blameless? They have guns, don’t they? They have tanks and bombers don’t they? And surely no one believes all this Iraqi on Iraqi crime is normal? Why weren’t they shooting each other up before the US got there? It’s curious to me…
It all comes around, you see.
By Harley, April 21, 2007 at 3:24 am Link to this comment
Double standard? We are at war, were you asleep today when the jihadist video of a boy chopped off an adults head, or when 5,000 office workers died at the towers, we are not at war with civilians,its people who bomb London subways,blow up ships at port,and suicide bomb cafes used by decent people, they are cowards and only kill and run. If this happened in your coffee shop, you might feel different, but it doesn’t, and you are so numb with American life, safe in your apartments and bmws, you feel guilty, you care so much, go treat aids babies in Africa, not donate, by paying an extra .50 for yur latte. Just because you yell, doesn’t make your words true,the world has been in a conflict 97% of the recorded history of man, you think this moment is special. Oh, I forgot, you have the cartoon of dead kids to show us what a hiding, sad community America is.
By hjfraser2002, April 20, 2007 at 11:37 am Link to this comment
Innocent people killed. Hmmmm, seems to fit both countries. I see a double standard in our society. When people scream hippie it shows me that good discourse is probably not going to happen. Name calling and stereotyping is usually the first defense. Next they say you are not patriotic and dont support the troops. Lets concentrate on the message and learn something. We need to stop attacking each other and start talking. If we are going to respect life we need to respect all life.
By Douglas Chalmers, April 20, 2007 at 10:50 am Link to this comment
Quote Thinking: “...In Iraq, thousands die and we bury that disgusting piece of news on the insdie pages. But if it happens in the U.S., its fro(nt) page MASSACRE....”
Search “massacre” on LiveLeak.com and you will find some gruesome facts .....on Iraq!
By Thinking, April 20, 2007 at 7:31 am Link to this comment
The response to VT game me the same thoughts. What hypocrites Americans seem to be. In Iraq, thousands die and we bury that disgusting piece of news on the insdie pages. But if it happens in the U.S., it’s from page “MASSACRE”. The Iraqis killed in Bush’s illegal occupation of Iraq for control of its future oil supplies are just as human as you or I. They have mothers, brothers, sisters, and honest-to-goodness feelings. And, please, let’s stop calling what is occurring in Iraq a war. It is OCCUPATION and nothing more. If it happened in the U.S., you and I and our friends would be in the insurgents, fighting to expel the illegal invader. And if this is truly a democracy, then why are we still in Iraq when 75 percent of Americans want us out? Someone has to address that question.
By Dr. Richrad Blackmoor, April 20, 2007 at 6:29 am Link to this comment
This is perfect. many people forget that the US soldiers have killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi’s by intent.
Remember shock and awe?
How about the bombing of Falujah/ We used white phosphorus bombs which fragment and the pieces embed under th skin and burn .
I have a picture taken by the Red Cross of a young child who had his arms and legs burned off by these bombs.
We Americans paid for that.
We have killed tens of thousands of young children in our bombings in Iraq.
The news should show the killing and death every night so we can see what we have purchased with our tax dollars.
Iraqis kill lots of Iraqis but your Tax dollars have killed many innocent children as well.
By cynthia savage, April 20, 2007 at 5:37 am Link to this comment
Well, you’ve certainly touched a nerve, Luckovitch and in that respect it’s a very good cartoon. I agree with both sides of the issue, i.e, senseless tragedy should not be used for to make a poiltical point and the equally senseless carnage that is just another day in Bagdad. As an American, I’m really, really glad that I don’t live there. And I’m really, really sorry for the rest of the world.
By P.C. Dobbs, April 20, 2007 at 12:36 am Link to this comment
In Iraq, survivors have to deal with the senseless death of tens of humans every day. Sometimes the victims are neighbors or kin, and given the trauma felt by U.S. citizens at the hands of one insane gunman, it is correct for Mr. Lukovich to point out that there is similar violence occurring in cities and towns in Iraq every day; sort of, yes, Virginia Tech was bad, but be thankful that we don’t have to deal with such clever corpse-piling insanity three hundred and sixty-five days a year like the Iraqi’s do.
By Leefeller, April 19, 2007 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment
The Main Media exercises a double standard for sure, NBC glorifies the gunman by posting his tripe, meantime how many dead and wounded in Iraq?
The Main media panders pablum,
By Lance Thompson, April 19, 2007 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment
I hate hippies. This picture is so ignorate and inconsiderate!!
By Alex, April 19, 2007 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment
Now the students at VA Tech have some small inkling of what DAILY life in IRAQ is like. We have unleashed hell upon an entire population, we have killed, maimed, tortured and imprisoned an entire nation and people want to say the slayings at VA Tech are somehow different. Somehow more important because they were carried out by a lone gunman. We have turned a population on itself and this is ok. We detain and abuse thousands and this is ok. We split the skulls of men, women and children and this is ok. We cannot maintain basic infrastructure services like running water, electricity, and sewage services and allow the Iraqi people to wallow in their own filth and this is ok. We do all this and cannot fathom why it is they hate us. Do you think they give a rats ass what an American student has done to other American students? No. Absolutely not. And they have no interest either because again, that is everyday life in Iraq. Welcome to it. That very day in Baghdad 41 bodies were found throughout the city. Who reported on that, where were the condolences of our nation towards those innocent victims? I don’t remember the president making a press conference about that equal tragedy. A few days later 187 Iraqi civilians were blown to pieces in the largest attack since the ever glorious “surge” was begun. Mourn for America, as we have become the very monster we so detest. I’m sorry to sound like such a dick, but anyone who disagrees with me can hop a plane to Baghdad and tell the Iraqi’s themselves that their lives are worthless compared to those of Americans.
By CJ, April 19, 2007 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment
What most worries me are those who don’t get the double-standard, a few of them having posted below. I’d like a single one of them to explain (as in ethically argue) how it is that attacking an entire people (killing at least half a million, perhaps as many as one million) who represented zero threat to a single American (or anyone else after 12 years of sanctions), and who were attacked on the basis, not only of lies, but also a more “rationalized” policy known as the “doctrine of preemption,” is a wit less nuts than what the killer did at Virginia Tech. Don’t bother; the case for such a double-standard can’t be made, except in terms of an ideologically based argument for a distinction without any real difference. Lukovich has it right.
By a voice from the wilderness, April 19, 2007 at 9:26 am Link to this comment
So, did the 650,000 or so Iraqi citizens “volunteer” to be in the midst of such chaos and destruction or the millions who’ve either fled the country entirely or been displaced volunteer?
By allan scheer, April 19, 2007 at 6:40 am Link to this comment
This is just twisted logic.
A better anaolgy would be to compare the number of deaths in the Iraq War , to the number of deaths in the First World War, during the same time period.
The opinions regarding the need for a war, or the justification of a war , are entirely different subjects.
By Douglas Chalmers, April 19, 2007 at 6:29 am Link to this comment
Actually, “Iraq” would fit nicely right about where Mexico is on the map! It has about the same size and population, too. Just put it there and Americans might finally start to learn the meaning of “neighbour”.
Then again, people could just go down there on weekends on a shooting party, take some bombs, play terrorist - don’t have to go all the way to West Asia (the “middle east”) - so convenient. Really strange that the USA hasn’t ever bothered to invade its near-neighbours like Mexico and Canada…...
Notice that none of the “coalition of the willing” soldiers in Iraq are ever referred to as “war heroes” as once happened with the war in Vietnam. How about putting Vietnam, then, right there on the map, too, where the Californain peninsula is - or maybe where Florida is?
Or, more preferably, we should all re-visit “The Deer Hunter” made in 1978 about “...three buddies from the steel mill town of Clairton, Penn.They are like schoolmates, hanging out in a local bar and enjoying weekends of deer-hunting…” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deer_Hunter “.....generally wild and drunken celebrations for all involved. Following a bit of streaking through town, Nick makes Mike promise that he will not “leave him behind” should something happen to them in Vietnam, because after one final hunting trip, Steven, Mike, and Nick are to leave for a tour in the ongoing Vietnam war, longing to go where “the bullets are flyin’”......”
By Harley, April 19, 2007 at 2:09 am Link to this comment
I’m no fan of Bush, or his war, but to make a political statement from the deaths of innocents, is beyond human compassion. This Korean guy didn’t kill his own people, attack tens of thousands with chemicals, or raged war on his neighbors. He couldn’t get laid, didnt fit in, and killed to justify his pain, using these deaths, is like saying we deserved 911, it was just a cowardise act. All death is senseless, but there is a difference between our soldiers doing their duty, and killing for the sake of killing.
By DapD, April 18, 2007 at 11:27 pm Link to this comment
Amazing how some people can continue to point the finger at their own neighbors. It should be obvious by now that many of us don’t care about the innocent people in Iraq. I don’t know them, you don’t know them. Casualties happen in war. Casualties are expected to happen in war.
Unexplained events are considered tragedies. For example, you know your grandfather has only a few months to live. So his passing is much more acceptable. However, when an uncle unexpectedly dies people morn his death for months.
Taking this opportunity to point your finger at the war is not only juvenile but very disrespectful. You liberals are so insensitive it sickens me. Go point your fingers at something that will do some good, stop wasting everyone’s time with your idiocy.
By SpottedDog, April 18, 2007 at 11:20 pm Link to this comment
I am upset by all of the death in Iraq, but that doesn’t stop me from being shocked by death in other places. The war in Iraq has been going on for years and has been in the news everyday. It has been protested in various forms since before it began and continues to be protested, and rightly so. I am still shocked by the murders at Virginia Tech, however, and am struggling to understand how it happened and why.
By Matdredalia, April 18, 2007 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment
Don’t get me wrong, I grieve heavily for those lives lost at VA Tech….but I also grieve for the lives lost in Iraq—both American and Iraqi.
What disgusts me is that people talk about this tragedy and how horrendous it is (not that I disagree), and yet they act like the war in Iraq is like skipping rocks in a pond. I don’t know if it’s because the media portrays Middle Easterners as all being American-Killing psychopaths, or if it’s because VA Tech is on our “Home Soil”, and that makes it more real.
Either way, America needs a few eye openers…..about 60,000 of them.
By rowdy, April 18, 2007 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment
this cartoon is representative of a question i have asked of many people the past two days.“do you grieve for the innocent people we are slaughtering in iraq?” i have been assured by one and all that it is not at all the same thing, after all these were innocent AMERICAN students victimized by a madman. as if the iraqi’s haven’t been victimized by a madman. here in florida we have a variety of license plates available. they promote everything from environmental groups to colleges and professional sports. the ugliest one is anti abortion,[chooselife]i mean ugly in terms of the art work. when driving,i used to pull up beside gas guzzling SUV’s,sporting this plate and ask how many innocent iraqi children have been killed so you can have oil to drive this behemoth. i don’t do this any more because the people sporting this plate are the one’s most likely to be sporting automatic weapons. good KKKristians one and all.
By Fred, April 18, 2007 at 10:27 pm Link to this comment
The difference here though, is a war zone vs a university. Solders accept the fact that they’re entering combat and may die when they join the army. Students don’t.
By Tim, April 18, 2007 at 9:57 pm Link to this comment
Are you serious? This guy at V-Tech was a nut and and his name, image, or ideas don’t even dignify a response or the media playing them. Additionally, all of those “insurgents” in Iraq that strap bombs to their asses and kill innocents are nut jobs also. They are CRAZY. They would be just as happy to kill you, me, liberal, conservative, or even (GASP) the glorious Rosie O’Donnell. Maybe you just don’t get it. They want to kill all infidels (American or not). Crazy people do crazy things and I don’t care if people have been mean to you, and you are jealous of others, you don’t have the right to behave this way.
By Mookie, April 18, 2007 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment
Amazing, I was thinking the very same thing. The double standard of the media, the country, and the culture. It’s a real shame.