Night-Gaunt, November 20 at 1:27 pm,

I have an open hand extended in fellowship to those who have declared themselves enemies of the Left and made war on the Left and liberals; those who do not want to take that open hand in fellowship and choose aggression deserve the iron hand of retribution in response.

KDelphi, November 20 at 4:32 pm,

You put words in my mouth to say that YOU are paid by “Fux News”, why should I take what you say otherwise?

Such well thought out points, MarthaThonmas! Something fresh every time! Bravo!

I guess you guys have found me out. I am paid by Fux News…damn. The pay was good.

Like I said your tautologies are boring and do not enlighten us at all. We must not become as ruthless as our enemies or we run the risk of becoming just like them. A warning Nietzsche gave to us. You are more like your enemies and I would watch that if I were you.

Night-Gaunt, Nov. 20 at 2:36am,

Politics is like a Battlefield and on the Political Battlefield the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST soldiers of the Right-Wing Conservative Movement and the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber have given NO QUARTER to the Left and liberals from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and still practice the blitzkrieg of total war against the Left and liberals.  The Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement declared total war WITHOUT QUARTER on the Left and liberals and total war without quarter is the conditions imposed upon the Left and liberals on the Political Battlefield where the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement is engaging the Left and liberals.  The Left and liberals are obliged to practice Political Warfare the same as the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST aggressors or be destroyed.  This has been the political reality in the United States since the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, is the political reality at present and will continue to be the political reality until the war ends or an Armistice is signed. 

With regard to tautology, the dictionary definition of tautology is as follows:

tautology: Unnecessary repetition of the same idea in different words; pleonasm; the use of needless words; redundancy; also, an insistence on it.

Night-Gaunt, Nov. 20 at 2:36am,

The word is duopoly; the answer to duopoly is reform of the Democratic Party in order to get the necessary votes to legislate enactment of a Multi-Party Political System.  I have been advocating that this be done for about eight years and trying to sow the seeds of understanding that will lead to elimination of political duopoly in the United States that is replaced by a Multi-Party Political System, but it is difficult to get past all of the meaningless drivel in peoples minds that they see as intelligence, so that they can quit flogging the uncontrollable flames of political duopoly and initiate a Multi-Party Political System in the United States that will provide political representation for all by coalition governance.

Enough of the generalities you are so good at repeating, how about some meat on that bone? Some substance to your arguments (accusations) to help us slow folk along to understand your razor sharp wits? Note that simply repeating is ineffective to what you ultimately want us to do. Follow what you say and copy how you say it. We are not followers of such narrow minded violence loving gruesome fanatics either. But we don’t hit people over the head with mindless tape loop recitations of little substance. But heavy on the arm behind the back, beating the head into the wall kind of writing both of you engage in is no improvement over your enemies. In fact it is too much like them. No really that is how I see it. Don’t you? Can you? You really need to.

I shall perform that experiment in writing for you to see. One of your own ThomasG to show you why you fail all the time.

“You are praising NightGaunt in your joint capacity as a shill and an operator for the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement, by way of sophist propaganda, as a fellow {...} working the Left liberal marks, that you are paid to scam there in the {...} Boiler Room with tautological {...}; you deny what you are doing with the repetition of incessant, idealistic, inculcated, fervor that pleases your minders and promotes the aims and agenda of the {...}.”—Nice isn’t it? [I could have expanded to the same sentence said over again with just slight modifications. Not much there.]

You must understand I am doing this not to insult you but to instruct you and also find out where you developed this peculiar way of writing. I am an interested fellow. Not to hurt you, just to learn.

You do know that tautological means to reference ones self in an argument? A logical fallacy. Also in taxonomy of animals it is a repeat like Homo Sapients sapients for example, another is Gorilla gorilla. Tautonomy is the variant.

KDelphi,

You are praising NightGaunt in your joint capacity as a shill and an operator for the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement, by way of sophist propaganda, as a fellow shill and operator working the Left liberal marks, that you are paid to scam there in the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Boiler Room with tautological sophism and propaganda; you deny what you are doing with the repetition of incessant, idealistic, inculcated, fervor that pleases your minders and promotes the aims and agenda of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement.

Do you suppose that your minders from the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement will give you medical coverage or a raise to cover your expenses connected with your medical condition for your efforts?——Or, are you one of those evangelical Christians that the Evangelical Christian Movement has conditioned to serve the worthy wealthy because it is God’s will and your duty as a part of the unworthy poor?

MarthA/ThomasG—thanks for answering no questions..

” And, you’re wonderful in your own mind….”

Actually, MT, I think NG is pretty great, too, from what little I know of him. He’s smart, makes cogent arguments, doesnt seem to be real ideological, and, never attacks (!!!)those that he disagrees with. He is capable of showing compassion for others (did you lose that or never have it?) Thats usually a sign of an open, intelligent mind.

He practically pleads with you to make some sense. You refuse.

A weak mind attacks, plows ahead and considers NOTHING (even someone’s death) a roadblock to “getting back” at those that wont tow the line.

I think I am describing mainstream, card carrying folks of both parties. The mass of people are sick of you guys. The day will come when US voters will have better choices than Tweedledumb and Tweedledumbass—I hope I live to see it, and if “so far” is any indication, I should be there to cheer them on.

If not, plenty will do it in my place…the sooner these ideologues are gone, the better for the country.

Night-Gaunt, Nov.19 at 4:10pm,

Your post is subjective assertions and opinions, like always that do NOT answer my post, that is in line with the following quote from my post:

“You people”, Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS, prefer tautological reinforcement to direct inculcation and “you people” use direct inculcation to make that point over and over again; the veracity of your argument is dishonest and fraudulent, because “you people” make and answer your own questions with the use of a shill to answer a disingenuous argument and perpetuate a scam, as does a CONFIDENCE SCHEME.<b>

In “you peoples”<b> tautological shell game, do “you people” have assigned operators and shills to work your political marks?——or, do all of you play as operators and shills interchangeably in support of Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST tautological sophism, propaganda and inculcation?

A simple yes or no will do. Not this incessant repetition. You learned some new words I see, then run them into the ground as you both always do. So predictable and sad. Under the area in the paper in sociology concerning “strategies to repel persuasion” what both of you two do is “attitude bolstering” (where you ignore the argument given but produce evidence that supports your general argument.) I would add “selective exposure” (ignoring the information to refute it or supporting other positions) a mixed bag really.

Careful in how you phrase your non rebuttles I see a pattern that fits you not me or any of us who are working on our own to see if we can get inside you minds to see what is going on in there. A type of personal profiling by amateurs.

Just run a test on your writing style and remove any major word that is used more than once or twice an you will see why most don’t read your screeds.

Night-Gaunt, Nov.19 at 4:02am, KDelphi, Nov.19 at 3:50am, and the Leader, OzarkMichael, Nov.18 at 8:59pm:

What is it that you people are saying in your post?——that you advocate tautological sophism propaganda and indoctrination, rather than direct inculcation?  Is there a difference in effect between tautological sophism propaganda and indoctrination and inculcation?——and, if so, what is the difference?

So far as I can determine, your preference for tautological sophism, propaganda and indoctrination over direct inculcation is nothing more than an obfuscatorial choice with regard to sophism, propaganda and indoctrination.  My guess is that your preference for tautological sophism, propaganda and indoctrination is based upon the use of tautology by the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber and that tautological sophism, propaganda and indoctrination from differing and divergent branches of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber can be both parroted and answered in different words that say the same thing from Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST sophists to other <b>Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST sophists, so that the sophism and propaganda of the assertion is reinforced by the sophism and propaganda of the answer.

For the reasons given, from a perspective of sophism, propaganda and indoctrination, I can understand why those who have access to and control within a Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber would prefer tautological sophism, propaganda and indoctrination over direct inculcation.

However, life is choice and YOUR choice is tautological sophism, propaganda and indoctrination over direct inculcation; YOU have YOUR choice and others have their choice.  Why do YOU whine over the choices of others who make individual choices when YOUR choice is part of an organized choice provided to YOU by the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement?

“You people”, Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS, prefer tautological reinforcement to direct inculcation and “you people” use direct inculcation to make that point, over and over again; the veracity of YOUR argument is dishonest and fraudulent, because “you people” make and answer your own questions with the use of a shill to answer a disingenuous argument and perpetuate a scam, as does a confidence scheme.

Night-Gaunt, Nov.19 at 4:02am,

And, you’re wonderful in your own mind.

Again with the avoidance tactics. You just don’t have an intellectual leg to stand on. Nothing. “Blah” is both of you with nothing to say. It doesn’t compute does it? You’ve got nothing of substance. Just a rigid narrow series of responses with nothing behind it. Might as well be a mechanical response machine. Just type it out. NO mind or soul just typing and picking out a set series of things to put down. A sad was of a mind in a time when we need all the minds we can to survive the coming trials of the species of earth.

We are our own leaders but can work with others. Can’t both of you? Are you robot or are you human?

Martha/Thomas—why dont you try arguing your case for a change instead of just insulting people? If you are complaining about what I said about you, I dont think anyone would disagree that you ask for it constantly. I usually just scroll by your posts, because I know I can hear the same crap out of the Dem Party any day I want to. I didnt even have to read your post to know that you love how stupid Palin is so it makes Dems look good.

Havent you ever wondered why you havent convinced anyone of anything you have ever said, with your borrowed sophistry and jingoism? (there is a new word for you) Even with radiation I can make more sense than you, and I never bring up YOUR obvious illness….

I dont want any apologies from you, you old __. I dont need to be deferred to, but, do you ever stop to wonder why other people on here just dont talk to each other that way, even when they disagree? I have seen some of your other posts and you are just unbelievable. You never analyze anything, agree with anyone for any reason or give any real reasons for your opinions—wtf is “blah”? Are you six years old or 106?

I have never known conjoined twins of the opposite sex. (MarthaA/ThomasG) whats it like to f*ck yourself?

You should be telling your beloved Dem Party that they are going to lose their ass in 2010, because of people that think like you….its a shame, but you guys do it over and over again..1994 redux..

Night-Gaunt, Nov.19 at 2:59am,

WOW, Aren’t you the mean one defending your leader, OzarkMichael, in the Conservative EXTREMIST Boiler Room?  Is KDelphi also in the Boiler Room?

OzarkMichael has done nothing but lay out a bunch of subjective sophist propaganda crap; and YOU, Night-Gaunt, follow right along after OzarkMichael’s amorphous nonsense as if he said something worthwhile. What’s up with that?

Both of you put out nothing but blah.

And you MarthaA refuse to answer Ozark Michael in the clear way he asked the question. As he has shown each time, you and ThomasG take from Hitler and use it for your own purposes. You have yet to back up your contention that any of us do it. Not one quote and comparison. Because you can’t. Ozark Michael has and he has both of you beat hands down!

Put up or shut up is the phrase and both of you won’t do either. You need to retain some kind of veracity if you intend on anyone listening to you whether it is good information or not. It is on both of you to do it. Ozark Michael has and he has both of you as ideological robots with a hidden agenda. If no one listens then why do you talk? Prove yourselves here. Or go back to the hive from whence you were spawn.

OzarkMichael, Nov.18 at 8:59pm,

YOU are the one imitating Hitler and blaming it on me.  You keep harassing me about the shooting til they no longer wiggle which YOU blow out of proportion every which way in your sophist manner to serve your masters, when all that was said was that Conservative traitors when they are found to be traitors in a FAIR TRIAL, should be shot until they no longer wiggle, and I stand by that statement, although I would go along with other forms of execution.  YOU seem to have a guilt complex.

As for KDelphi, here is what she told me:

By KDelphi, November 17 at 3:17 am #

“Dont kid yourself.. MarthA and Company love Palin—she makes them look so smart.”

KDelphi intended that to be insulting to me—and it is.  I do not actually know anything about KDelphi at all, only what she said, but if she makes a decision to insult me, she should figure a return on her investment.  I had not said a word to KDelphi and I saw no logical reason for her to be insulting me, so I returned her investment.

YOU, OzarkMichael, being a proud Conservative Republican just make up anything for your investment, so you get returns on your investment as well. Dealing with YOU and your ilk, makes me think of a poem from school that I have remembered:

If by Rudyard Kipling

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And - which is more - you’ll be a Man my son!

Their frame is of the barbarian, the nobility as Nietzsche spoke of who have need to hunt and kill, to subjugate and put down. Like the blond beast of Africa, has the need to kill “lessers” in order to feel whole, gazells and such.  You can find such mind sets around the world through all times involved in humanity. The Master Morality. The Slave Morality has the better attitude but who wants to be a slave? The idea is to have the best of both moralities in one person, not the worse. Hence the idea of the ubermensch who would be. Creative and free yet careful and strong. Not to subjugate nor be subjected too by others. A difficult prospect for the humanity of today, but tomorrow? Will we ever reach such a station or is it just imaginary and will never be reached? The other more likely choice Nietzsche saw was essentially the couch potato or layabout long before video games but is prominent in our society. Sitting and reading all the time choking on the dust of volumes. Odd isn’t it?

KDelphi, you may be interested to know that Martha/Thomas is imitating Hitler in so many ways it is hard to keep track.

We have been studying this on another forum.  So far we have discussed five important similarities between the agenda of Martha/Thomas and Hitler’s agenda as written in Mein Kampf. But we are only getting started!

KDelphi, you will notice that Martha/Thomas has not defended herself against a single charge. You will notice that Martha/Thomas runs away. Here is the thread where we have discussed it:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090928_the_war_on_language/

After her inappropriate remark Martha/Thomas said There is no apology necessary for the truth.

Martha/Thomas has not told the truth yet.

Apologies are needed for your cruelty.
Apologies are needed for your lies.
Apologies are needed for your fascist agenda.

Night-Gaunt, Nov.18 at 5:24pm,

YOUR frame——NOT mine.

The point is you blamed it for her disagreement with you. Get it yet?

Night-Gaunt, Nov.18 at 1:32pm,

KDelphi said she had a brain tumor in no uncertain terms.  If she did not want people on the blog to know she had a brain tumor, she should not have said she had a brain tumor.

To expect deference for having a brain tumor and then whine about not getting deference if she doesn’t have a brain tumor is trying to manipulate deference, which is not acceptable as a political strategy for anyone.

No, I just want you to have a little courtesy, another word you need in your lexicon. Also how do you know it was the tumor and not just a fundamental disagreement with how you see things? Do I have a tumor too? It is just a callous action and has nothing to do with any kind of ideological or political bend. [Nonsensical comes to mind.] Sometimes a cigar is just that nothing more. But you two seem to function in that way concerning your perceptions of everything. Strange.

Night-Gaunt, Nov.18 at 3:17am,

You wantKDelphi to have deference on Truthdig because of her brain tumor, don’t you?

Deference by the Political Left, the Democrats, is what got our nation into the situation it is in today.

Since KDelphi is still blogging, it is possible she made up her situation in order to receive deference, which is what sophistry and propaganda is all about——lies to get your way. 

But, whether sophistry or not, I see no reason whatsoever to give deference to KDelphi because she has a brain tumor. She should do what I told her, spend time with her family and relax.

A Conservative individual with a brain tumor politically blogging against liberals hoping for deference is amorphous nonsense.

KDelphi has a brain tumor but what are your reasons for your own robotic sophistry? None. Even I know when to curb the direct. At least in this forum when I can think before I answer. It is still a terrible insult and uncalled for. You agree with your twin </b>ThomasG</b>? Why are any of us surprised at that? None I say. You really don’t understand what that SOB did do you? And I thought I was bad at the sociability index! I would recommend studying books not only on diction & writing but also etiquette. Learn it well. Miss Manners is someone you two need to become familiar with and fast. Otherwise you will learn the intimate meaning of alienation. Unless you already do.

Oh and in your litany of villains you leave out two important personages i.e. Clinton & Obama who bridged the gap.

Night-Gaunt, Nov.18 at 2:04am,

You have to be kidding.  I fully agree with ThomasG.  There is no apology necessary for the truth.

KDelphi should not be presenting sophist misinformation relative to me; and undoubtedly she wouldn’t, if it wasn’t because of her brain tumor.

KDelphi should realize that there is NO Republican Conservative EXTREMIST going to help her with her brain tumor; and quit trying to put Liberals and the Left down.

If, by the Grace of God we get medical and KDelphi gets rid of her brain tumor, it will not be because of any Republican Conservative EXTREMISTS, that she defends as a “blockhead and dummy”, but Liberals, Congress people like Florida’s Alan Grayson, who is a strong fighter for the 70% MAJORITY Common Population, the people, the public.

ThomasG that is such a low blow by any standard puts you with the riffraff. Proud? Well you should be for that kind of crack. You have little (used) intelligence but a lot of feral moxie. Not something to be happy about. You should apologize for that. It is the strong who knows when they are wrong and apologize. It is the weak who never apologize no matter how wrong they may be. Proudest before the fall. [Lucky for you ground level is very close.] You are such a weakling.

KDelphi, Nov.17 at 3:17am,

That must be your brain tumor speaking.

Dont kid yourself.. MarthA and Company love Palin—she makes them look so smart.

If indeed the majority of Americans who vote do vote the likes of Palin in it would be a sad day indeed for the Republic. As for interfering in her book sales? Never.

I still don’t get the republican’s use of sarah palin in their attempt to retain the
white house other than the choice of o had already been agreed upon by those
who manipulate the media to ‘choose’ the ‘acceptables’  who are the ones left
to debate and beat their chests for the top job(seemingly)of the presidency
because palin, as I believe, was not really mccain’s choice and her ‘exposure’ in
the media certainly kicked the republicans out of the white house for the real
choice to be president, o.

And now with sarah’s ‘exposure’ proving as much of her inabilities to be so
close to the presidency which includes her resigning as governor of alaska, I
would doubt she could stand even a small chance of becoming president
unless one considers the medias part in its ability or part in separating the
participants in appointing our president or members of congress by the msm’s
process of ‘who gets on the tube and who don’t’.

But sarah is still a good looking and fertile woman which should not be a
prerequisite to become president.

The Congress (both parties) will prevent ANY meaningful change from occurring EVER - it means SO little who becomes President - our Figurehead In Chief.

The Congress are mere puppets of various big industries - government to the highest bidders.  Every year they get billions to do absolutely nothing concrete.

Sarah Palin is an ignoramus and a joke She will never be President and it shows what a death wish the Republicans have that this is even a possibility in their tiny minds. Wasn’t one total humiliation enough for them? Do they have to put George W. Bush in a skirt for their orgasm to be complete? As for reading her book, as Dorothy Parker once wrote : you can lead a whore to culture but you can’t make her think. Love you Dorothy. They should have made you President.

Mickey Mouse Club Member, Goofy, OzarkMichael, Nov.16 at 3:53pm:

Do Mickey Mouse sophists and propagandists get paid the same as first rate sophists and propagandists, or does the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement get Mickey Mouse sophists and propagandists at a discount?

I like the cartoon.  (But I never joined the ACLU. And I’m more left than “liberal”. And, I’m scared she might be our next President.) The one - make that two- things I like about S. Palin are:

  She wears glasses.  (I do,too)

  I covet that red leather jacket she had during the
  campaign.

OzarkMichael the Goofy leader of Truthdig’s Mickey Mouse Group, Nov.16 at 3:53pm,

Your post is more attacking of the messenger with amorphous nonsense to deny the message; the answer to your amorphous nonsense is blah.

Virginia 777 said: Its the extreme right charging in…

Time to stop these creeps.

Extreme right charging into what? Palin wrote a book. A book which neither the cartoonist nor the ignoramuses have read yet. But that doesnt stop you.

Time to stop these creeps.. what will you stop her book with? Certainly not knowledge, because you dont care what she wrote.

What will you stop her book with? Slander like the cartoon above? Or force? Will you go as far as Martha/Thomas and demand laws that prevent conservatives from publishing books?

Virginia 777, you are better than Martha/Thomas. You are better than your own rhetoric today

Its the extreme right charging in…

Time to stop these creeps.

Palin world would you want to live there? We are right now just that Obama isn’t thought of as one but he continues the disasterous and unConstitutional policies of his predecessors going back to his muse—-Reagan. We are still riding the change away from a republic and closer to some kind of theocratic despotic state in the near future.

All I see with the Palin GOP Debacle is the atrocious Right will use Palin like Reagan to play act like the Left in order to get the atrocious Right back into power.  To the Right EXTREME, it is all a game, a power game and people of the Common Majority’s that get damaged in the process are of no significance, fooling the people for power is the only significance.

The Right Conservative EXTREME is hoping for a Palinesque Dream World, like the Reaganesque Dream World that “borrowed and spent” the United States into bankruptcy, deindustrialized the United States for cheap labor, financialized the U.S. Economy for short-term profit and created the biggest financial bubble in the history of the world, that broke in 2008, and from 2008 to the present in 2009, has resulted in TENS of TRILLIONS of DOLLARS of socialized resources of the masses of the U.S. Population to be spent by the U.S. Government to recapitalize private TOXIC capital without benefit to the masses of the population of the United States that will sacrifice for the terms of their natural lives and generations of their progeny without benefit; Palin would be a Republican rehashing and starting the whole “dumb show” all over again, an endeavor in Cyclical Lunacy that is beyond comprehension; except as a Ponzi Scheme, or a Neo-Madoff politician with a view of building a New American Pyramid.

Even Vice President, George H.W. Bush recognized it was “blockheads and dummies” following Reagan, as it will be “blockheads and dummies” that follow a Republican Palin.  The following quote from Mikhail Gorbachev was made during an interview on September 23, 2009, with Editor, Katrina Vanden Heuvel and her husband Stephen F. Cohen, a Contributing Editor of ‘The Nation’ magazine:

“By the way, in 1987, after my first visit to the United States, Vice President Bush accompanied me to the airport, and told me, “Reagan is a Conservative, an EXTREME Conservative.  All the blockheads and dummies are for him, and when he says that something is necessary, they trust him.”

The Common Population must not keep allowing themselves to be “blockheads and dummies” by continuing to follow the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement that started with Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and now Palin to lead the Common MAJORITY against their best interests as “blockheads and dummies” like the “Great Communicator”, Ronald Wilson Reagan and the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber, Bush I and Bush II.

Any person of the Common Majority who isn’t a Nearly Noble, and even the Nearly Nobles, must ask yourself, why is it that I support a<b> Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement of Republican Party Nobles that considers my support as that of a “blockhead and dummy”? 

Each and every member of the Common Majority should also ask yourself why am I not supporting the Political Left, the Left-Wing Liberal Movement that I am a part of, where my best interest is served, and where I am not regarded as a “blockhead and dummy”?

It is time to end American citizens being led as “blockheads and dummies”, as they have been for over forty years, and to make certain that people like Palin are unable to resurrect the whole “dumb show” all over again, that leads to the same place that Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II led the United States; bankrutpcy, financial collapse and the masses of the U.S. Population being forced to pay TENS of TRILLIONS of DOLLARS to recapitalize private capital without benefit.

The economy is not in good enough shape to be able to sustain a Republican presidency, without the Common Population going into abject slavery.

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