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RedactedPosted on Aug 28, 2009By Pat Bagley, Salt Lake Tribune
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By NYCartist, August 31, 2009 at 11:56 am #
Fab cartoon.
Report thisBy PatrickHenry, August 29, 2009 at 7:32 pm #
Military secrets are the most fleeting.
Secrets surrounding UFO’s, Area 51, Dugway, 9/11, Aurora and Astra programs are known by our allies and enemies, it is the information that these caveats are meant to be kept from the population.
The amount of spending of tax dollars to carry this system is a primary cause of our national debt.
Report thisBy M.B.S.S., August 28, 2009 at 10:53 pm #
redacted!
Report thisBy PSmith, August 28, 2009 at 4:17 pm #
OF COURSE TORTURE WORKS
The purpose of torture is not to get information. The purpose is to terrorize. Propagating the myth that it is used for some other purpose
plays into the hands to those evil-doers who are happy to see it used. Neocons. Who deserve what the US gave the Nazi leaders. -
Nuremberg Executions of Nazi Leaders for ‘Crimes Against Humanity.’ -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSJcXPCxlzI
Naomi Klein - http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050530/klein
Naomi Klein - Information is shock resistance - http://www.naomiklein.org/search/node/torture
MAKING TORTURERS
Harry Wilmer: There is a worldwide cruelty that I have had a little experience with, dealing wtih some of its victims, that should affect all our
consciousness and that we might be able to do something about - that is, the torture of people that is so widespread in the world. Would
you say something about that?
Hallie: As you know, torture is a very special aspect of cruelty. It usually involves crushing somebody for purposes of extracting information.
There are two ways, in general, that we torture or hurt other people. One way is for pragmatic reasons. There is something that we want
that’s valuable, much more valuable to us than the life or the happiness of this person, so we destroy that happiness to get the something
that we want. The other way is sheer perverseness - that is to say, sadism, you might call it, or the sheer joy of seeing another’s pain. The
experience of dissonance between your own pleasures and the pains of the other is sometimes called sadism. Now these two forces are so
powerful that even when you can conquer the perverseness, you can hire people who are not sadists to be your torturers. This is very
important, and was very important to Himmler. He wanted to hire people who were not sadists because sadists might stop having fun. They
might get tired of it, and then they would no longer be functional. So he hired almost entirely nonsadistic people. What I am trying to say is
that I have no answer to your question at all, because once you get rid of your sadists you have single-minded adherence to a cause that
makes you eager to torture.
- Philip Hallie, Facing Evil conference, 1987. A book and a Bill Moyer’s TV program resulted, both titled Facing Evil. Facing Evil was previously
on Youtube. Not presently.
Philip Hallie - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hallie
THE RESULTS
What was done - World War 2 - http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Natzweiler/SOEagents.html
Who and How? - Klaus Barbie - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Barbie.html
Protected By and Escape Organized By - Guess Who - US (un)intelligence. - http://www.archives.gov/iwg/research-papers/barbie-irr-
file.html
The Queen of F Section and her search for the missing agents of SOE. http://www.64-baker-street.org/also/also_vera_atkins_her_story.html
Heinrich Himmler - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler
US
Torture: The Capitalist Tool - John Pilger - Torture is _so_ American - School of the Americas - Archbishop Romero -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5L1VdlktOw#t=01m17s
After the War - ‘Mr Hilter’- Michael Palin as ‘Mr. Bimmler’ - “Soon, Baby.” “Cool it, Fuhrer cat.” - Monty Python -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQes9dvCJ34
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