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Iran Election [Revised]Posted on Jun 15, 2009By Mr. Fish
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By Ali Raadmand, July 11 at 10:03 pm #
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I just returned from a trip, and saw the revision. Well done, Mr. Fish, well done.
Report thisBy Russian Paul, June 18 at 6:49 pm #
However, the more I think about it, the more saddened I am to see Mr. Fish go along with the corporate media that this election was absolutely rigged. This alleged rigging should be investigated further, and in the meanwhile I think Mr Fish could have highlighted other aspects of this story.
Report thisBy Russian Paul, June 18 at 1:06 pm #
Mr. Fish’s heart was in the right place. Everyone fucks up. We’re only human. I do wish some of those who were so angered take a look at Fish’s previous work and see that he is the most progressive, anti-imperialist, anti-zionist voice on this here website.
Report thisBy vzh, June 18 at 12:04 pm #
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RE: “Iran Election (revised)” posted June 15, 2009 by Mr Fish
Report thisNice to see the changes; however, the garb has not been sufficiently altered by removing the “hatta” & putting glasses. The egal should go as well. Suggestion: suit with unbuttoned shirt. This is more average Iranian dress. Glad to help here.
By nateforthepeepz, June 17 at 11:58 pm #
Kind of looks like a white cat, but alright, beggerz can’t be chooserz. Thanks for the change, Fish. Peace.
Report thisBy boggs, June 17 at 10:43 pm #
I say “cut Mr. Fish some slack.”
Report thisHe didn’t intend to slander, mutilate, slay or eradicate anyone.
Betch he gets it right the next time!
By Mr. Fish, June 17 at 4:48 pm #
Done, by popular demand: new version just submitted to the editor. I’ve been digging all the conversation on this. Thanks everybody.
Report thisBy nateforthepeepz, June 17 at 3:02 pm #
These “shortcuts” are really just lazy stereotyping that is unacceptable in today’s international community. Americans can no longer afford to be this ill informed. Frankly, I feel offended, as an American, to have this stereotypical image of “Muslims” propagated in this context.
I agree with Ali Raadmand and strongly urge you to right this wrong and redraw this cartoon.
Report thisBy Abu Ali, June 17 at 12:25 pm #
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Funny, how western ignorance shows even a liberal such as thruthdig, you must hire at least someone from our world who knows that (egal) is not Persian at all, mostly wore in Persian Arab gulf and some parts of Jordan, Syria nd Iraq.
Report thisMr. Fish you lost my respect and I feel sorry for Gore Vidal for he is a wise and was my attraction to this website, he must be laughing for stupidity.
As an Arab Muslim, how many times NCSU professor address me ” Namastee” I always reply Namaste back with smirk, does he know the joke is on him? So is Mr. Fish!
By Kaizar, June 17 at 10:07 am #
By Mr. Fish, June 16 at 9:47 pm #
“I merely wanted to render someone who might appear middle eastern at a glance. Such shortcuts are useful when executing a cartoon.”
So imagine a cartoon about Japanese politics where you draw the Great Wall of China. Yes, your readers would get that you’re commenting on something in East Asia, but by doing so, you’d be ignoring the deep cultural, ethnic, linguistic, religious, political, and historical differences between the Japanese and Chinese people. Persians would consider themselves as different from Arabs as the Japanese consider themselves different from the Chinese.
You said “Point taken”, but I’m not sure you really got the point. Your ‘shortcut’ isn’t simply inaccurate, it’s misleading and racist.
Report thisBy Ali Raadmand, June 17 at 1:52 am #
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By Mr. Fish, June 16 at 9:47 pm #
I merely wanted to render someone who might appear middle eastern at a glance. Such shortcuts are useful when executing a cartoon.
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You just made a bad thing worse. That’s called “stereotyping” because the situation in Iran is NOT representative of the rest of the Middle East. To say that all who live in Middle East suffer from the same problem is dangerously ignorant and contributes to Americans’ horrendously ill-informed view of that trouble area. You obviously lack the basic understanding of that area. If you want to right your error, go back and redo the cartoon and make it Iranian because the current situation in Iran is nothing close to what is happening in the rest of the Middle East. That’s how you right a wrong, not by some sloppy throw-away explanation.
Report thisBy blogdog, June 17 at 12:34 am #
Cartoonists typically trade in stereotypes - after all they’re not working in the tradition of Dostoyevsky, the literary powers of whom it would take to adequately represent the cultural diversity of the entire Middle East - really far too much to ask of any modern Occidental media format - one of the reasons I frequently return to chastising our cultural milieu as the most philistine of all time.
Report thisBy Chainsaw Demon, June 16 at 11:04 pm #
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@Mr. Fish
“I merely wanted to render someone who might appear middle eastern at a glance. Such shortcuts are useful when executing a cartoon.”
I think what renders this logic moot is that TruthDig audience is not the same as the New York Times audience (besides the obvious misrepresentation, of course).
Report thisBy truedigger3, June 16 at 9:55 pm #
Many posters, me included, corrected Mr. Fish pointing to the fact that Iranians are not Arabs.
Report thisSome posters, me included, their only purpose, was to
clear a misconception and point to a fact, however,
I got the impression, that some other posters, for
example, that “Zahra”, were so annoyed about confusing Iranian with “those Arabs”, and you get
the feeling that they felt insulted??!!
To those prejudiced bigoted the so called “Ayrians”, I say shame on you. In these days and age, in this world, you should have known better, and you, should got your facts and the realities of the current world straight!!!
By Mr. Fish, June 16 at 9:47 pm #
All right - point taken. An un-keffiyehed Iranian would’ve looked more like 97% of the population who live in Iran. Those distracted from the purpose of the satire were given an intellectual hiccup that damaged the joke. It happens sometimes. I merely wanted to render someone who might appear middle eastern at a glance. Such shortcuts are useful when executing a cartoon.
Report thisBy Zahra, June 16 at 8:15 pm #
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When will the world get it right? Persians are a different race than Arabs! Iranian men don’t wear scarves on their heads like that. Grrr!
Report thisBy Chainsaw Demon, June 16 at 8:13 pm #
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Mr. Fish’s post with four links to “prove” to us that there are Iranian-Arabs appears like a weak attempt to avoid acknowledging his mistake.
Report thisBy Kaizar Campwala, June 16 at 7:15 pm #
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Mr. Fish has responded to criticism that he conflated Arabs and Persians in his cartoon by posting links showing pictures of Iranian Arabs. According to the CIA World Factbook, only 3% of Iranians are Arab:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/IR.html
If this is a cartoon about Iranian Arabs, what exactly is the punch line, and how is it relevant to last Friday’s election? Perhaps I missed some news about Iranian Arabs. If so, my apologies.
Iranian Arabs certainly couldn’t be considered representative of Iranians generally, who considers Iran a Persian, not Arab nation. I’m not a political cartoonist myself, but if Mr. Fish meant to portray the Iranian people generally, using a caricature of an Arab, representing only 3% of the Iranian population, doesn’t seem to be a particular astute judgement.
What I’m guessing really happened is that Mr. Fish needed some way of showing that the man in the cartoon was a Iranian. Not having educated himself enough about the region, he thought he could portray the ‘Iranian’ just like he would portray an Arab. It’s wasn’t an act of maliciousness, rather a lazy blunder.
Mr. Fish, consider owning up to your mistakes in the future. Speaking truth to power means first acknowledging your own shortcomings.
Report thisBy Fish, June 16 at 5:54 pm #
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http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/iranaftertherevolution/2008/12/200812691745418706.html
Report thishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_Arabs
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Iranian_Arabs
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01q35rJdsgcwX/610x.jpg
By nateforthepeepz, June 16 at 5:13 pm #
By Dar, June 16 at 3:39 pm #
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I think Mr.Fish is making a larger point about democracy and elections in the Middle East, which tends to be less-than-trustworthy in general.
I don’t think he meant Iran specifically.
- Uh, dude, the title of the cartoon is “Iran Election.”
Report thisBy blogdog, June 16 at 4:37 pm #
points well made - déjà vu all over again (sic): Florida ‘00 & Ohio ‘04 - how would you, Mr. Fish, have characterized those folks… make them all to look like trailer trash? Too dumb to figure out they’re being had? Funny thing is, most of them did figure it out.
So what’s really going on in Iran? One analysis holds that the ruling class stole the election to head off a CIA/MI6 Color Revolution in their neighborhood - could explain all the signs in English. English is widely known in Iran as most everywhere else in the world. But, could be the protesters are getting some extra incentive and help from… oh let’s speculate… maybe some of the folks in the back room at the local London or NY based-NGO… some students recently returned from Oxford or New Haven, look particularly closely at those on full scholarship, maybe the Rhodes scholars… what’s a scholarship like that worth?
Report thisBy Dar, June 16 at 3:39 pm #
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I think Mr.Fish is making a larger point about democracy and elections in the Middle East, which tends to be less-than-trustworthy in general.
I don’t think he meant Iran specifically.
Report thisBy Kaizar Campwala, June 16 at 3:30 pm #
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I’m not familiar with Truthdig’s editorial policy, but keeping this up without some sort of commentary seems problematic.
As other comments reveal, this is a broken cartoon, that unwittingly reveals more about Mr. Fish’s ignorance of the Middle East and Central Asia than anything about the Iranian elections. The man in the cartoon is a caricature of an Arab man. “Iranian are not Arabs”. Had this been posted on a conservative website, liberals would be up in arms about it.
Truthdig editors should highlight and comment on the dangerous conflation in this cartoon, both to educate Truthdig readers and shame Mr. Fish for his laziness and ignorance.
Report thisBy nateforthepeepz, June 16 at 1:42 pm #
Hey Mr. Fish,
Report thisJust a thought, but if you’re going to satirize Iranian culture, it might be good to do a little research… i.e. that headdress is a keffiyeh that’s favored by Saudi Arabians, not Iranians… or do “they” all look the same?
By aroha, June 16 at 1:33 pm #
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get your cultural references right mr cartoonist. iranians aren’t arabs
Report thisBy siamak, June 16 at 12:59 pm #
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mr fish
Report thisi am guessing you have no idea that iranian are persian and not arab. persian people don’t wear the (i have no idea what it is called)on thier head. next time please pay attention to details.
By anon, June 16 at 12:10 pm #
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Tropicgirl;
It is to get the message across to America, so that when videos are broadcasted on the news here people can follow…
Report thisBy Jeff Beaumont, June 16 at 10:50 am #
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Seriously, poor caricature. I don’t think Persians look or dress like that at all. Good sentiment, bad execution.
Report thisBy tropicgirl, June 16 at 9:44 am #
I’m wondering why all the protest signs in Iran are in English. Anyone know? Is there a lot of English spoken there, or do the so-called “elite” group that is protesting speak it or write it?
Report thisBy WykydRed, June 16 at 7:32 am #
Hey! Same system here in ‘Merika! Nice one again Mr. Fish!
Report thisBy truedigger3, June 16 at 4:43 am #
The Iranians are not Arabs.
Report thisBy Ali Raadmand, June 16 at 3:24 am #
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Sir, your cartoon, while funny, betrays a basic lack of understanding of Iran. Iranians are NOT Arabs. The person voting in your cartoon is an Arab. Did you mean to draw an Arab voting in Iran’s (rigged) elections?
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