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Posted on Feb 19, 2009

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By juan, February 23, 2009 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

A. What can be accomplished in Afghanistan?

B. What is the goal and is it realistic?

Ans. A Nothing   B None and No

Bringing security and a central government to Afghanistan is less likely than teaching every camel in the country to speak English. Get the hell out and get the hell out right now. The Taliban will eventually regain control of the country because that is what the backwards residents want.

Karzai is a joke and nobody in Afghanistan is going to follow this Bush puppet.

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By Sans, February 22, 2009 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment
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The thing is that this is where the terrorist are, in the Pakistani-Afghan border. Now if Bush had done what he was suppose to, the terrorists would not have gotten so much stronger. They are capturing towns in Pakistan. The Big thing is that Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Pakistan has been pretty friendly to them, now if that area is not monitored, the terrorists could get a hold of nuclear weapons. Thank Bush for allowing them to get off the hook and become stronger. Now the world has to deal with them, after so much blood has been spilled over oil.

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By heide, February 22, 2009 at 7:49 am Link to this comment
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hmm wonders if that was the same pencil abe lincoln used when he signed the emancipation of the slaves..
then turned right around & signed the death warrant for the sioux nation
if it is shame on u barack and shame on ole abe lincoln too

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By cyrena, February 21, 2009 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

By Allan Krueger, February 19 at 5:28 pm #

Barack, get the Russians on the phone and ask them how they did in Afghanistan with 150,000 troops! Forget the advice from the military! Go after the terrorists with Special Forces, CIA and any other swinging dick you can LEGALLY use.

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Allan,
The Russians were RUN OUT of Afghanistan, and with help from the US. Is THAT what you want Obama to ask the Russians about when he gets them on the phone? Surely he already knows THAT much!!The US paid the mujaheddin and supplied them with weapons to fight the Russians, and they ran them out. (THAT was the first mistake, and there’s no way to know if they would have gotten rid of the Russians without our help or not.)

But it is that same group that Obama at least ‘appears’ to be sending troops to defeat now, which is why it’s all the more ridiculous, IF that is the purpose of the military presence in Afghanistan..to wipe out the same group that we funded against the Russians back in the days of Carter, based on Brzezinski’s advice. He KNOWS (Zbig that is) that it was an horrific ‘flaw’, which is why he is now opposed to continuing it. 

So maybe Obama should be listening to ZBig, IF that is indeed the reason for the additional troops in Afghanistan, which is what Obama has always claimed. (to wipe out militants that the Russians obviously couldn’t).

But IF the reason is far more about maintaining a US presence in this geopolitically strategic location, based on it being a huge crude oil spigot, then we’re looking at something entirely different, which is not particularly hopeful for US or THEM.

That said, the CIA SHOULD be helpful in tracking down the terrorists and disposing of them, but it’s been 7 years, and they haven’t managed to do it yet. I personally believe it’s because they are one and the same to the extent that these ‘terrorists’ even exist, (the CIA and the so-called terrorists hiding in Afghanistan) and so they haven’t WANTED to eliminate them.)

So unfortunately, until the old poison is wiped from the apparatus of the CIA that answered only to Dick Cheney, they are basically useless as a legal swinging dick tool.

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By mistah charley, ph.d., February 20, 2009 at 9:12 am Link to this comment
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Two things are wrong with this cartoon’s caption:

1. More troops are going to Afghanistan BEFORE any withdrawal from Iraq.

2. It focuses only on Americans.  Our war against the Afghanis harms more of them than of us.  Bombing attacks from remote-controlled airplanes on “terrorist gatherings” that were actually wedding parties have happened not once - not twice - but half a dozen times.

I think the essential prerequisite to winning heart and minds in the Islamic world is to bring our troops home.

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By Bronwen Rowlands, February 20, 2009 at 6:51 am Link to this comment
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Another good one, Mr. Fish, going right straight to the heart of the matter.
Recommended reading for those who think the American military belongs in Afghanistan: the novel “The Wasted Vigil” by Nadeem Aslam.

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By Crystal Clear, February 19, 2009 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment
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“Let us have compassion first for the INNOCENTS slaughtered”

PSmith
What we need to do is give you a large scale so you can weigh the importance of each individual life; obviously you have the ability to determine true innocence.

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By Allan Krueger, February 19, 2009 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

Barack, get the Russians on the phone and ask them how they did in Afghanistan with 150,000 troops! Forget the advice from the military! Go after the terrorists with Special Forces, CIA and any other swinging dick you can LEGALLY use.

Do you want another Vietnam fiasco under your watch? That is not why I voted for you, Barack!

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By Crystal Clear, February 19, 2009 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment
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PSmith your comments are cruel.

“If there are any “freshly crew-cutted high school graduates” who volunteer to join the military after all the information on a) war crimes, b) torture, c) crimes against humanity, then they deserve everything they get. Economy be damned and job security in the military be particularly damned.”

Not everyone lives a comfortable middle-class life—many of these kids have nothing except debt.  They join the military for an education, skills, employment—it’s there only way out of poverty. 

This is the injustice—military obligation should be shared by all citizens.  Everyone should be impacted, and everyone should see those “tin cans” they bring the dead home in.  Right now this war has been sanitized, so that a very small portion of our society have felt the effects of the abominable decisions made by our corrupt and incompetent politicians.

Unfortunately, Social Darwinism doesn’t weed out the hard nose creeps who profited by this mess, and the arrogant jerks who feel superiority mocking the victims of capitalism.

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By diamond, February 19, 2009 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

Why don’t they ask THE AFGHAN PEOPLE what they want? After all it is their country not NATOs and the Afghans are not pieces on a chessboard to be blown up as part of some kind of final checkmate. The Pentagon and the British high command are caught up in the same old win/lose paradigm and they just can’t seem to get themselves out of it. There will be no military victory in Afghanistan but there could be a victory for commonsense. That would involve negotiations with the Taliban to come to some kind of peaceful settlement. And that will happen eventually but only when NATO finally faces facts. The question is how many more civilians will die in the meantime? The double sided pencil is a double edged sword. Hopefully Petraeus’ report on the situation will lead to an outbreak of pragmatism. But the problem there is, Iraq and Afghanistan are completely different cultures with completely different problems to be addressed. I hope the old ‘they’re all just ragheads’ philosophy will not be used to decide the future of Afghanistan the way it was used to decide how to proceed in Iraq. We know what disastrous failure that led to and what suffering it inflicted on the Iraqi population.

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By GB, February 19, 2009 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment
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Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City. The police went after him, gave him a fair trial and badda bing.
According to bush and cheney, Osama Bin Laden, a family member of one of the bush family’s biggest buisness partners in Saudi Arabia perpetrated the attacks on 911 and bush let him go. Not only did bush let him get away but bush declared a war on Islam (remember the grade school word he made up, Islamofacist, and Fox news puppets picked it up). He then proceeded to empty out the treasury attacking two nations and humanity that weren’t reponsible and giving and losing billions with no bid contracts to cheney’s company, Halliburton, friends, blackwater, and corruption.
Obama should know that at least 80% of the US citizens and tax payers want it stopped and these crimes prosecuted now.
If he doesn’t, this will be a serious grade against him and his current massive support.

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By NYCartist, February 19, 2009 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

I like the cartoon, but I don’t remember an order of withdrawal from Iraq?  I’d only add an eraser…to the pencil. But, on the other hand, I don’t like telling another artist what to do.

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By JimBob, February 19, 2009 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

Sadly true.  How many Vietnams do we have to suffer through before the news hits home: America is not omnipotent!

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By C Quil, February 19, 2009 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

Afghanistan is a disaster. Pakistan is being bombarded daily and civilians are being killed.

Obama hasn’t a clue.

The situation is FUBAR.

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By Be, February 19, 2009 at 8:58 am Link to this comment
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Have you forgotten that Bush send young men and women to Iraq where he hardy achived anything?? In Afghanistan the population is happy that the allied forces are there in Iraq obviously not.

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