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By Maani, January 19, 2009 at 2:27 am #
Ferago:
LOL. Of course, that doesn’t mean that samosamo doesn’t still think I’m kooky (or something) for believing in an “organized mythology”...LOL (to samosamo as well…)
Peace to both of you.
Report thisBy samosamo, January 18, 2009 at 11:18 pm #
By Ferago, January 18 at 4:43 pm
What the ....? Well, anyway, do you mean you found some civility where you maybe have not seen any? I still argue with commentors and I still over react more than I care to admit, but I do like to be pointed to reliable iformation when I ‘blow my stack’. As John Maynard Keynes once said when asked why he changed his mind, to paraphrase: ‘When I get new information, I change my position, what, sir, do you do?’ And it is up to me to investigate that new information.
Report thisBy Ferago, January 18, 2009 at 9:43 pm #
@ maani and samosamo: did i just see an online argument that didn’t spin way out of control? i need some ibuprofen…
Report thisBy KDelphi, December 18, 2008 at 10:54 pm #
Gary—I am an atheist , and I agree that Jesus probably existed. How could be be a “Jew” , (as you said) if he had not.
That being said, I think the message was more important.
I also think that when we will not laugh at the dominant religion of the day, we risk becoming closed-minded.We have had enough censorship! You could be next, peeps—in fact you already are!
It is a joke, people.(not an extremely funny one…) I saw the “Muslim” joike (cartoons). They werent funny, really. But, no one in a free society has a right to limit others freedom of speech/‘press because they are “offended”. This is not a theocracy.
I dont care at all about a communist jack in the beanstalk child molester?????LOL!!
Well, maybe we should ban him….
Report thisBy Maani, December 18, 2008 at 3:58 pm #
Gary:
Carol is entitled to her opinion, just as you are to yours and I am to mine. I doubt she was suggesting anything as radical as the response of Islam to images (particularly ridiculing ones) of Mohammed. She was merely stating that it is disrespectful to speak badly of others, particularly those who offer good ideas and engage in positive actions.
That said, you are wrong that “there never was a Jesus.” Except for a very small number of scholars (and mostly lesser or unknown ones), the EXISTENCE of Jesus is essentially unquestioned. One can debate exactly WHO he was - divine son of God, prophet, rabbi, nice-guy-with-good-ideas, or just-another-messianic-figure during that period. But suggesting that he didn’t exist means that you either have not read very deeply, or you are engaging in selective reading.
Peace.
Report thisBy Gary Mueller, December 18, 2008 at 11:07 am #
(Unregistered commenter)
but Carol, there never was a jesus, nor was there ever an easter bunny or santa claus. To make fun of these non persons only hurt the people who have attempted to make a myth real.
Report thisI assume you would not flinch if I were to infer that jack of the beanstalk fame was a communist child molester bent on world domination, so why get bent out of shape when someone picks on the little jewish zombie boy
By samosamo, December 18, 2008 at 7:38 am #
By Maani, December 17 at 11:36 pm
no problem, I get worked up more than I care to and the biggest pleasure of responding to the commens at sites as this is the thoughts of others.
Report thisPeace to you to you too.
By Maani, December 18, 2008 at 4:36 am #
samosamo:
No harm done.
Peace.
Report thisBy samosamo, December 18, 2008 at 2:36 am #
By Maani, December 16 at 8:25 pm
You do have my apology as I just realized from other comments of yours that you end them all in peace, which I took as ‘chill out’ but is a fine enough sign off of a comment.
Report thisBy KDelphi, December 17, 2008 at 2:01 am #
It is just a cartoon!!
If a Danish guy had written it, would you call for his head?
Grow up!
Report thisBy Maani, December 17, 2008 at 1:25 am #
samosamo:
“You presume far too much.”
If I have done so, you have my honest apology.
“And you jump to the w & dick mantra, ‘with us or a terrorist’.”
??? I don’t get this reference at all.
“Then you end with an organized mythological statement ‘peace’...”
Why would the word or concept of “peace” be “mythological?”
“...evidenced that you believe I need that in the hope that I will begin thinking like you.”
Now it is YOU who presumes too much!
Peace.
Report thisBy samosamo, December 17, 2008 at 12:49 am #
By Maani, December 16 at 4:59 pm #
samosamo:
“Organized mythologies suck!”
Unlike, of course, the organized atheism propounded by Lenin, Stalin, Mao et al…
Peace.
*******
Report thisYou presume far too much. And you jump to the w & dick mantra, ‘with us or a terrorist’. Then you end with an organized mythological statement ‘peace’ evidenced that you believe I need that in the hope that I will begin thinking like you.
I thought more of you than that and I will still think your input is worth the read for a good part.
By Ham-Archy, December 16, 2008 at 11:18 pm #
Perhaps Jaded Prole was misunderstood? Consider this:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081229/williams?rel=hp_picks
Report thisBy Maani, December 16, 2008 at 9:59 pm #
samosamo:
“Organized mythologies suck!”
Unlike, of course, the organized atheism propounded by Lenin, Stalin, Mao et al…
Peace.
Report thisBy samosamo, December 16, 2008 at 7:52 pm #
Organized mythologies suck!
Report thisBy katsteevns, December 16, 2008 at 7:02 pm #
It didn’t take much of a brainstorm to think this one up. Maybe Mr. Fish was having a bad day.
Report thisBy GW=MCHammered, December 16, 2008 at 5:16 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)
Mr. Fish, you just saved thousands of souls from manipulating self-righteous bigotry. Make a place for you in (your) heaven.
Report thisBy Carol Vette, December 16, 2008 at 5:14 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)
One of the things wrong in our society today is that nothing is honored as sacred anymore. The cartoon is rude and dishonoring to Jesus Christ who is supposed to be what Christianity is about. It’s one thing to makes jokes about what people make out of religion and another to make disrespectful jokes about Christ.
Report thisBy Maani, December 16, 2008 at 4:48 pm #
Of course, this cartoon makes ZERO sense, since the idea of “Santa” (actually a Turkish preist named St. Nicholas) came hundreds of years after Jesus. And, of course, the entire celebration of “Christmas” as we know it is phony since (i) Jesus was not born in December, and (ii) it is based on the (pagan) Roman holiday of Saturnalia.
A little history goes a long way.
Peace.
Report thisBy Ham-Archy, December 16, 2008 at 2:14 pm #
Poor Hayzeus, he never realized that Love, Compassion and Joy would devolve to Sex, Drugs and Rock’n'Roll and become commoditized as Dildos, Pills, and Records so they could be wrapped in colorful paper and counted as thought.
Report thisBy nikto, December 16, 2008 at 2:06 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)
Santa and Jesus are as real as trickle-down economics, the deep morality of CEOs, and a 50%-off sale
at Macy’s.
The American People are the greatest shoppers
the Human Race has yet produced!
See—We ARE a city on a hill!!
Report thisBy John Lowell, December 16, 2008 at 2:01 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)
Jaded Prole,
What’s the obviously transparent need to insult the beliefs of religious people, filth, a lack of confidence, a concern that they just might be right? It isn’t enough for you simply to disagree, you have to convince yourself through mind-numbing, hate-filled epithets that you’re vision of things is worthy of being taken seriously and theirs isn’t? You missed your place in history, bigot, you have all the ear marks of having being a great Nazi. A little suggestion for you: Take your religion hating and stick it where the moon don’t shine. And if that’s a bit too challenging for you there’s always the option of tossing yourself out of a window. I understand that’s quite in vogue this year what with the market being down the way it is.
Report thisBy Jaded Prole, December 16, 2008 at 11:35 am #
Santa is the American Jesus of the religion of commodity fetishism. The similarities between imaginary deities (Santa & God) are obvious. Belief in either is childish.
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