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By samosamo, July 28, 2010 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment
Ever since the europeans with the unmitigated galling help of the
materialistic and money grubbing roman catholic church
drafting out THEIR goddamn ‘doctrine of discovery’,:
the rest of the world and the peoples inhabiting those places
never really had a chance to maintain their lives on their lands
because the greedy europeans were of a ‘better class of
humans’. Damn if I don’t think the actual visual and physical
evidence of today really shoots that hubristic idea to hell and
Not withstanding the original migration of people from far
eastern asia into north america, the european’s discovery and
subsequent invasion of those people’s lands, from north to the
tip of south america, is stolen property and those invaders are
truly the original ILLEGAL immigrants even today.
By LH, July 28, 2010 at 12:42 am Link to this comment
RPaul wrote: “Sorry Mexico. You are our neighbor, but you’re not special just because you are close.”
Since the U.S. trumped up a war to take California-Texas from Mexico, I think they have a priority to be allowed here…and as for your anccestors coming legally; if today’s policies were in place 100 and more years ago, you probably wouldn’t be here posting on this thread.
By viciousmeow, December 12, 2008 at 11:17 am Link to this comment
BRILLIANT. Thank you Jeff Parker. This is really great, and at the same time heartbreaking.
As for Mexico, here’s an idea: How about we give their country aid and support—NOT corruption, weapons, the DEA, or fuel for righteous anger—and try to work with them cooperatively to boost their country up to a point where it’s a liveable place and then they don’t WANT to come to the U.S.? “No, let’s just build a wall and shoot anyone that tries to climb it. And let’s go shoot the people who are building our houses and doing our yardwork.” Smart.
Chicken Hammer - Grow up. No, India did not build a wall. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
purplewolf - I want more than anything for you to have your land back. I dream of a day when there could be a Native American presidential administration which could break down this ugly structure we’ve built.
By Warpigs, November 26, 2008 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment
This is a reply to the first comment:
Chicken Hammer you are a tool why dont you not let history repeat itself by telling people we need to be away from eveyone else that would make there no need for a wall. If they would have build a wall how well would that have worked for you?
So why dont you learn some history yourself
borders,religion,and money will only bring hate and death. Also remember that wall are not only for keeping people out but to keep us in.
By RPaul Supporter, November 26, 2008 at 11:25 am Link to this comment
The cartoon makes an interesting point. However, let’s look at it this way…
The Native Americans did not pursue such a policy, and their land was taken from them, their culture transformed, etc. The immigrants took advantage of the Natives’ kindness and willingness to accomodate. Now they are nearly all gone.
The suffering that Native Americans endured under European invaders is tragic. The racial cleansing that took place in early America was wrong - no doubt about that.
That being said, I know very few people who are decendants of the pilgrims or of the early European immigrants who committed atrocities against the Native Americans. I am a second generation American. So, this cartoon does not make me feel guilty, nor should it make any white American who is intolerant of illegal immigrants feel guilty. My parents and grand parents came here LEGALLY. They submitted the necessary paperwork and waited patiently. They learned English, paid taxes, and poured their money back into the American economy by buying a home and making investments. Most of my friends’ ancestors came to this country in the 19th or 20th centuries (also legally).
Sadly, the Native Americans’ culture was destroyed and their way of life is nearly gone. Let’s not let the same happen to ours. I say build walls. Secure our borders. Control immigration, and offer no amnesty to those who have no respect for our laws. Millions of people around the world want to come to America. Sorry Mexico. You are our neighbor, but you’re not special just because you are close. We need to heavily fine employers who hire illegal immigrants. By no means should we stop immigration. However, we need to CONTROL it. And if the citizens of our neighboring country don’t have the decency to respect our laws and processes, then sadly, as ridiculous as it seems, we might need to build a wall.
Additionally, we should not meddle in other nation’s affairs and start wars on their land, as CLoE stated. However, that is a different discussion for another day.
By purplewolf, November 26, 2008 at 12:25 am Link to this comment
Mybank: Columbus day has been considered a day of mourning in Indian country, as we call it who travel the Red road.
November is Native American Heritage Month, but you probably have never heard of it as it never gets much publicity from the media outlets. I guess we are not PC enough to get mention.
If it wasn’t for the “Indians” feeding the “illegal aliens” their 1st year in this country they would have starved to death and look at how they thanked the very people who saved their lives. Such gratitude.
The first welfare line in America was filled with pilgrims!
By Mybankhaslessdebtthanyours, November 25, 2008 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment
Thanksgiving always feels a bit weird when we celebrate a meal prior to a 400 year holocaust. However I say go enjoy turkey with your families. It’s important to get together during hard times. If you are truly anti or good willed, feed someone who needs something to be thankful for. Now Columbus day is one of those days I absolutely won’t celebrate. I just don’t get that one.
Anyway, the most amusing part of this cartoon is, look at who is building the wall. Again, doing the jobs Americans won’t do for self preservation. He should have put a few Africans and Chinese in there to help build that wall, because they too were here before any british colonist or slave ship.
By Warpigs, November 25, 2008 at 8:51 am Link to this comment
i was ask to go to thanksgiving with my family my mother asked what i was thankful for said
“im thankful that the native americans did not get almost wiped out that they did not get there land stolen from them im thankful they did not make them live in reservation”
i paused and said “Fuck Thanksgiving”
By samosamo, November 24, 2008 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment
I look at this country and this world today with amazement that what a lot of dumb people consider the apex or crowning achievement of the human race is this ‘modern’ world we live in and I cannot agree at all. There is more suffering, more misery and more evil people even if the % of bad people is say 10% of the world’s population. These scum have weaseled their way into the positions of power that allow them to create the hell on earth that is evident everywhere today.
People so boosted by a hubris that is nothing less than destructive and not meant for a world with so many people in it. Politics protects the rotten, religion protects those that are so weak they have no understanding what it means other than the population just has to keep growing and growning and growing. No end in sight. Someone answer me this: just how much longer can the environment keep up with the human demands on it? People have become so stupid that for some insane reason it is ingrained in us that no human should die. I have read a letter to a newpaper editor once with some brilliant cue ball proclaiming that death is the most ‘unnatural’ thing in the world. How much longer can a civilization exist with that kind of mentality?
Any indigenous people that practiced the hunter gatherer life and worshipped the very world as the evidence of a greater spirit or god and prayed to it, was the end game of the better life.
Now, no one seems to care except how much oil can we pump out to keep all those internal combustion engines running. How fewer people can control the natural resources not for the benefit of society but for the enrichment of the few. These are the things that the thing called money that was invented to ‘help’ societies coexist but has done nothing but produce a portion of people that uses it for a perverted control of others.
What was it in the bible near the end, or some prophet of the past, the apocolypse would happen in 2000 years. I cannot help but think that wherever that thought came from, that it was what someone thought would be the over population of humans.
By purplewolf, November 24, 2008 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment
It’s been over 500 years, we want our land back.
Especially now, with all the repugs disrespecting our fellow animals, whom the First Peoples considered as brothers. Perfect example of these acts are the Bush/Cheney repeal of environmental acts regarding wolves, polar bears, water pollution, clean air acts, just to start with and don’t forget the loud mouth from Alaska Sarah Palin where they are just now getting into wolf slaughter season from airplanes no less!
Since these illegal squatters came to this land, they have done nothing but destroy the way of life of the indigenous peoples, refuse to allow they to worship in their traditional way and forced Christianity or death upon those who did not change(really nice of them since the invaders didn’t speak the language)killed the culture, wolves, buffalo, forced the people to other parts of the country where most died from disease brought in from other countries and allowed them to live-sometimes- on reservation in some of the harshest environments in this country, infected them with the blanket fever, and even into the 1970 went into the reservations and took the girls from the families and had them sterilized in their goal of totally eliminating these original people. And that is not even the tip of the iceberg.
Yes, we had bad immigration laws bad then.
The first mobile home- the teepee.
The first drive by shooting in this country- covered wagon attacks.
By CLoE, November 24, 2008 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment
The indigenous people (who by the way are NOT “Indian” since they are not from India) were not and are not selfish idiots, which is why they didn’t build walls. They probably thought that the Europeans would be more human and better neighbors. What we have to learn is to be open to others but we weary of those who want to impose their views and beliefs. Indigenous people did not feel they “owned” the land. Te earth belongs to everyone. The U.S. should not go into other countries and organize coos and drive people to poverty…maybe then there would be no “illegal” immigration. The U.S. can’t have it both ways. We go and screw with “3rd world” nations and then expect the people not to migrate to find a better life? That’s why the rest of the world hates us. Because thanks to the crappy leadership and a few ignorant citizens, we as whole, look like selfish, ignorant and violent idiots.
By lichen, November 24, 2008 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment
Hahaha, yes exactly; america was founded on illegal immigration.
But for the present, fuck walls! Repeal NAFTA and bring economic justice back to Mexico, a fast track to citizenship and living wages to all immigrants who want to stay in the US.
By Chicken Hammer, November 24, 2008 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment
The Indians did not build a wall and look at how well that has worked out for them.
Don’t let history repeat itself. Learn from history.
Build the wall.
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