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By derp, April 9, 2012 at 8:34 am Link to this comment
By cwhipps, November 10, 2008 at 9:58 pm Link to this comment
The truth is, Mr. Fish, the gay community needs a Bill Cosby.
Their complete inability to take responsibility for crappy outreach, and “entitled” showboating has done more to sink them than anything. Gavin Newsome taunting the world from the court house steps played CONTINUOUSLY in Prop Hate ads from as far back as September, (and I live in the gay lady capitol of Northern California: Arcata).
Because the gay community has done such terrible outreach, the Mormons could define the issue any way they wanted. It ended up being “a threat to sex education”, (A COMPLETE LIE) and the only reason it worked was because the LGBT community just DROPPED THE BALL. They didn’t tell voters who they really are, and why no one needs to be afraid, and why this proposition was so wrong.
In my experience, those who look for scapegoats are just hiding from failure.
Gay pride is a wonderful thing, but it isn’t a replacement for out reach. The truth is, I never heard anything from my gay friends until the measure passed. That’s pathetic.
By P. T., November 10, 2008 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment
Some gays seem to be kind of hypocritical about the whole thing, protesting against Mormons but not against black Protestants or Hispanic Catholics. With the growth in the Hispanic population, gay rights may not have much of a future in the U.S.
By Ron Drake, November 10, 2008 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment
Why don’t you put that sharp point in the hands of the organizaers of the No On 8 campaign who didn’t organize, didn’t educate, and didn’t mount a significant opposition effort until it became clear that their complacency had been exploited by the Mormons and other conservative organizations?
The Los Angeles Times has a map that tells the story: The proposition went down to defeat in almost every county with a minority population of any size. The rest of the state—the Redwood Empire, the Central Valley, and the Inland Empire—was solid in its support. I’m told that the advertising against the initiative was English only. I visit progressive websites every day and I saw no anti-8 ads until just before the election.
Anyone who know anything about California politics knows that the biggest burden of proof in any ballot proposition lies on the “no” side.
As it stands, the cartoon smacks of racism, identifies the wrong reasons that Proposition 8 passed and does nothing constructive to move us forward… like advocating for the Obama administration to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” immeidately.
By Bea Moreira, November 10, 2008 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment
I don’t agree with the cartoon’s message. There are many people who voted for prop. 8, not only African Americans, although they were a great factor. To demonize them IS NOT the solution. A lot of money was spend in both ways and the gay community did not talk that much with African Americans (according to msnbc).
To use the pink triangle and allude to Nazis is very ridiculous, in my opinion. It’s almost like saying that the African American community is somehow similar to Nazis, which is preposterous in every way.
When I was listening to Air America a gay African American woman said she heard awful things from the gay community, who were oblivious to the fact that she too was gay.
I am heterosexual and profoundly supportive of same-sex marriage. I’m also a white girl who voted for Obama. To me this cartoon is racist, portering every African American as hypocrite.
Every time we generalize a group of people we are pre-judging them, which is not good.
By troublesum, November 10, 2008 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment
Somebody has to be society’s niggers. The lot has fallen to gays.
By troublesum, November 10, 2008 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment
Obama could have made a big difference but chose not to. He doesn’t believe in equality; it’s too radical.
By Mudbones, November 10, 2008 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment
or a gay pink triangle. It is said the black vote pushed prop 8 over the top for approval.
By JW, November 10, 2008 at 11:31 am Link to this comment
I think the pink triangle represents gay rights, proposition 8, Obama’s and Biden’s opposition to gay marriage, etc.
By Marky A, November 10, 2008 at 10:52 am Link to this comment
I think it is a comment that the black voters in CA voted against prop 8 with a vengeance. I don’t know know what the pink shape is, part of a symbol?
By Wayne Ryerson, November 10, 2008 at 10:48 am Link to this comment
It’s a pink triangle, I think Jon Stewart summed it up pretty well when he said ” It only took one day for the oppressed to become the oppressors”
By greg white, November 10, 2008 at 10:44 am Link to this comment
That’s not a pink slip, it’s a pink triangle, and the comment is about “equality for all”, except, some people are more equal than others in America. and quite a few people want it that way; the voters of “Yes” on Proposition 8 in California, and elsewhere.
This cartoon addresses the ongoing inequality and oppression of gay Americans, the pink triangle being the symbol Nazi’s used to sew on the uniforms of gay prisoners to be exterminated in concentration camps.
One day, perhaps, America can live up to it’s marketing with actual liberty and justice, for all.
By Apple, November 10, 2008 at 9:33 am Link to this comment
I don’t get this one either. Red states? Prop 8? Ballot? And who does the guy in glasses represent? Too subtle for me.
By espaz, November 10, 2008 at 7:51 am Link to this comment
hmmmm….i’m not sure i get this. is that supposed to be a pink slip that that “working class..[i hate that fn term]” african american gent just brutaly perforated ?? the poor pink slip appears to be pleading for his life !
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