Ok Gomer, Not winning. Is that more “politically correct” for you people? And exactly how did we “allow” him to leave? Sheesh, you people are thick. So i suppose you are trotting out that lame old whine that the anti war movement spoiled your chances for a glorious victory in Nam. What a sad little joke you are.

The people that are colleteral damage were not even considered when Bush and company decided we needed a war, we might have going to war against Iraq in the future but the reason for war was very simple, if the country was in a war Bush and company could end a form of democracy, now deocracy is almost just a word, I can personally thank Chris Dodd for doing what he did and Bush and company might win in the end but not yet.

Maybe instead of looking at who is popular at the moment and who has the most money the person who would be president should be the person who will do the most good for this country.

I will vote for Ms. Clinton if she is in the primary election but I would hate to lose to the Republicians just because this country is not ready for a woman.

I am ready for a woman but I do not speak for the country as a whole, to be honest Ms. Clinton carryies a lot of bagage, maybe not her fault, but still the nasayers could sway public opinion.

But Chris Dodd is a person of honor along with Dennis Kuninich.

“QuyTran ,Name sounds Vietnamese(sp), Tell you family that they don’t have to thank me just that a lot of lives were laid down so you can post here. Or are those the thinghs we seem to forget about?”

Gomerspile:

So maybe you can explain to me how the U.S losing in Vietnam helps QuyTran post.

GOMERSPILE:

EVER HEARD OF MAI LAI?  WELL ACTUALLY THAT WASNT THE ONLY ONE! ALTHOUGH THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT GOT MEDIA ATTENTION.

BESIDES WITNESSING SUCH EVENTS CAN TURN PEOPLE VERY VERY SANE,,,,,,,,,, UNLESS THEY ARE ISRAELI BLOODTHIRSTY GENOCIDAL MANIACS ..... LIKE U!

Mr. Fish, you cut to the bone.  That rush to war was a crime against humanity, and you have made the counting clear.  Painful to calculate. 
All the more reason to impeach, indict, and move in the direction of justice.  Maybe the USA could rejoin the human race, if they could keep the elections clean.

Its a shame more people don’t think about who is on the recieving end of the policy they support, they just assume whoever dies must have been bad or they would still be alive.  As far as actual numbers it is hard to get good ones, the entity in the best position to collect data on civilian casualties, the U.S. military, does not do so.  So we are left to rely on statistical sampling, and a bit of logical thinking. Viet NAm was a war zone right?  That means there were large numbers of civilian casualties.  It is unavoidable in modern war no matter who is doing the fighting.  This is not the 17th century, where the soldiers head out to a field outside of town and fight it out.

Had we not occupied Iraq, some 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians would be working to improve their lives. Lets face it, when you attack and occupy a country that did not attack you- its murder, not war, even if you weren’t the one who actually pulled the trigger. We all pulled the trigger by letting this happen. Who profited from this? Are your stocks up?