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By Douglas Chalmers, December 27, 2007 at 4:05 am Link to this comment
#122723 by rachel on 12/27: “Ahah. AHAHHA. Oh my. What history book did you read…?”
#120782 by Gomerspile on 12/17 - “How many were murdered before we got there,versus how many were not…. just a hard factual numbers…”
More offensively ignorant racist crap by Gomerspile, rachel. Well “a hard factual numbers that can be proven” actually included the Japanese military occupation before and the French colonial occupation before that - and subsequently as well into the 1950’s as the French returned to S.E.Asia and N.Africa to re-colonize despite having been occupied by the Germans themselves for years, uhh.
Or perhaps that was only the corrupt hypocritical Vichy French? While we are at it though, Gomerspile’s number can also include the 1,000 year history of the Chinese occupation and colonization of Vietnam bfore they were ‘liberated’ by the French, something that Vietnamese people do not remember fondly:-
The Trung sisters, Trung Trac and Trung Nhi, were daughters of a powerful Vietnamese lord who lived at the beginning of the first century. At the time, Vietnam was under the rule of the Chinese Han Dynasty. Vietnamese women still had many rights which they inherited through their mothers’ lineages, while in China women had lost their privileges due to the popular teachings of Confucius requiring women’s subservience….
Vietnamese people did not actively oppose the Chinese rule until the year 39 AD when they began to feel oppressed. To frighten the Vietnamese and bring them to submission, a Chinese commander raped Trung Trac and killed her husband. In retaliation, the Trung sisters organized a rebellion. With the support of various tribal lords, they formed an army of about 80,000 men and women. Thirty-six of the generals were women, including the Trung sisters’ mother….
The Trung sisters led their army in an attack on the Chinese forces occupying their land. They won back the territory extending from Hue into southern China and they were proclaimed co-queens. Their royal court was established in Me-linh, an ancient political center in the Hong River plain….
In the year 42 C.E., the Chinese forces were sent to recapture the region. The queens and their people fought hard to resist the invader. One close comrade of the Trung sisters, a woman named Phung Thi Chinh, led one of the armies of resistance. She apparently fulfilled her mission despite being pregnant at the time. She delivered her baby at the front, hoisted the baby onto her back and continued fighting. However, in the end the Vietnamese troops were defeated….
According to the popular belief, the Trung sisters elected to take their own lives in the traditional manner: by jumping into a river and drowning. Loyal Phung Thi Chinh did likewise. The Trung sisters became symbols of the first Vietnamese resistance to the Chinese occupation of their land….http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/heroine10.html and also see Wiki re “Trung sisters” and “Vichy French”.
By rachel, December 27, 2007 at 2:19 am Link to this comment
“QuyTran ,Name sounds Vietnamese(sp), Tell you family that they dont have to thank me just that a lot of lives were laid down so you can post here. Or are those the thinghs we seem to forget about?”
Ahah. AHAHHA. Oh my. What history book did you read? Way to pull the Great American Superiority card, too, as if the Vietnamese are somehow indebted to our awesome power. That’s really enlightened of you.
I reallllly really just get a kick out of the idea that we need to be there in order to prevent chaos. It’s funny that history hasn’t shown us that it just doesn’t work that way. Maybe the stack of bodies has something to do with the chaos, you know, happening?
By GR, December 18, 2007 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment
Ok Gomer, Not winning. Is that more “politically correct” for you people? And exactly how did we “allow” him to leave? Sheesh, you people are thick. So i suppose you are trotting out that lame old whine that the anti war movement spoiled your chances for a glorious victory in Nam. What a sad little joke you are.
By Margaret Currey, December 18, 2007 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment
The people that are colleteral damage were not even considered when Bush and company decided we needed a war, we might have going to war against Iraq in the future but the reason for war was very simple, if the country was in a war Bush and company could end a form of democracy, now deocracy is almost just a word, I can personally thank Chris Dodd for doing what he did and Bush and company might win in the end but not yet.
Maybe instead of looking at who is popular at the moment and who has the most money the person who would be president should be the person who will do the most good for this country.
I will vote for Ms. Clinton if she is in the primary election but I would hate to lose to the Republicians just because this country is not ready for a woman.
I am ready for a woman but I do not speak for the country as a whole, to be honest Ms. Clinton carryies a lot of bagage, maybe not her fault, but still the nasayers could sway public opinion.
But Chris Dodd is a person of honor along with Dennis Kuninich.
By GR, December 18, 2007 at 10:51 am Link to this comment
So maybe you can explain to me how the U.S losing in Vietnam helps QuyTran post.
By 1DREES, December 18, 2007 at 2:51 am Link to this comment
EVER HEARD OF MAI LAI? WELL ACTUALLY THAT WASNT THE ONLY ONE! ALTHOUGH THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT GOT MEDIA ATTENTION.
BESIDES WITNESSING SUCH EVENTS CAN TURN PEOPLE VERY VERY SANE,,,,,,,,,, UNLESS THEY ARE ISRAELI BLOODTHIRSTY GENOCIDAL MANIACS ..... LIKE U!
By Douglas Chalmers, December 18, 2007 at 12:52 am Link to this comment
Oh, I thought the one on the right was a wine cabinet, ha ha!
Wnat’s all that garbage on the left - oh, people? Really, who cares….?!?!
By hearya, December 17, 2007 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment
Mr. Fish, you cut to the bone. That rush to war was a crime against humanity, and you have made the counting clear. Painful to calculate.
All the more reason to impeach, indict, and move in the direction of justice. Maybe the USA could rejoin the human race, if they could keep the elections clean.
By Nate, December 17, 2007 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment
Its a shame more people don’t think about who is on the recieving end of the policy they support, they just assume whoever dies must have been bad or they would still be alive. As far as actual numbers it is hard to get good ones, the entity in the best position to collect data on civilian casualties, the U.S. military, does not do so. So we are left to rely on statistical sampling, and a bit of logical thinking. Viet NAm was a war zone right? That means there were large numbers of civilian casualties. It is unavoidable in modern war no matter who is doing the fighting. This is not the 17th century, where the soldiers head out to a field outside of town and fight it out.
By QuyTran, December 17, 2007 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment
Mr. Fish, we need one additional tomb for Bush/Cheney empire and all of theri servants.
By Scott, December 17, 2007 at 11:35 am Link to this comment
Not at all. In a democracy the people are ultimately responsible for what their military does. It was just following orders.
By 7man, December 17, 2007 at 9:00 am Link to this comment
Had we not occupied Iraq, some 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians would be working to improve their lives. Lets face it, when you attack and occupy a country that did not attack you- its murder, not war, even if you weren’t the one who actually pulled the trigger. We all pulled the trigger by letting this happen. Who profited from this? Are your stocks up?
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