Merry Christmas, Douglas, kindest regards, and a happy new year

#122229 by nahida on 12/24: “Thou shall have no doubt in your heart…”

Merry Christmas, Nahida http://www.truthdig.com/holiday/message/

The New Ten Commandments:

1) Thou shall not criticise Israel

2) Thou shall revere the holocaust with all thy heart

3) Thou shall have no doubt in your heart of the number 6 million

4) Thou shall not compare the unique suffering of the Jews with any other

5) Thou shall honour Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state

6) Thou shall adore the sinless Israel, regardless of allegations of sins

7) Thou shall believe that Israel has the right to defend itself and protect its security by all means (but not Muslims)

8 ) Thou shall not kill (except Muslims)

9) Thou shall not lie (except about Muslim’s WMD)

10) Thou shall obediently share your earning with Israel (through your tax money)

And there is a bonus eleventh commandment:

11) Thou shall sacrifice as many humans as humanly possible (specially those who dare to say NO) on the alter of greed and security of the Jewish state

#117444 by The Village Idiot on 12/01 at 9:06 pm: “...here I thought I was just playing with a little irony….. Is the word “recombine” not just a wee bit vague…. in an ultimate sense, hence the irony .....which deals with God…”

Your “unity” is found in anihilation, The Village Idiot. Sadly, it is the ultimate escape from Reality.

In fable and mythology it is the Transmutation of all Creation back into its primordial state. For you, it is “the Master’s apprentice” desperately unable to put things right again after mucking up his “experiment”.

That was the quardary Oppenheimer found himself in - and he admitted it. He eventually went on to lobby for international control of atomic energy and to avert the nuclear arms race. But he gave in to his professional ego…..

Actually, he was a human failure as he nevertheless set the coordinates for ‘‘Little Boy’‘ and ‘‘Fat Man’‘, the first atomic bombs to be used in war, to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki three weeks later. He said he had no regrets . http://www.greenleft.org.au/2006/677/8191

The Oppenheimers were of Jewish descent but it was the insane Jew Edward teller who went on to develop the H-bomb. No only that, he continued to advocate its actual use use as a pre-emptive first-strike weapon of war.

Teller was fascinated by the possibility and was quickly bored with the idea of “just” an atomic bomb (even though this was not yet anywhere near completion). At… Berkeley, Teller diverted discussion from the fission weapon to the possibility of a fusion weapon—what he called the “Super” (an early version of what was later known as a hydrogen bomb ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Teller and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Oppenheimer

Ok, I will dispense with nuance, as it is lost on most people around here, apparently. I seem to be writing for a peer-reviewed scientific journal all of a sudden, when here I thought I was just playing with a little irony.

Is the word “recombine” not just a wee bit vague, and lacking in enough context to determine by what process or level this recombination would take place? Why, it could be molecularly, atomically, maybe quantum mechanically, or even at levels of interaction not yet discovered! A nuclear explosion stripping the electrons off all the atoms in the neighborhood of ground zero, turning it to a flowing plasma like what’s found inside stars, sure sounds like a type of recombination to me. And yes, plasma is ionized, so… what’s your point?

And it IS “unity.” Not in a destructive sense, which is entirely subjective, but in an ultimate sense, hence the irony seeing as how this nonsense is so deeply rooted in religion, which deals with God, the Ultimate… get it?

Lots of regret around those nukes; too bad the foresight was lacking. Oh well, the toothpaste is outta the tube now, what’re we gonna do? I say let’s make lemonade with these thermonuclear lemons… Nuke the Holy Land! Everyone seems to be expecting it anyway, and no it is not a serious suggestion, it’s supposed to… aw, never mind.

#117327 by The Village Idiot on 12/01 at 6:34 am: “All the atoms in our bodies came from the nuclear furnaces of stars, so what better way to regain our original unity than to recombine our constituent elements in an apocalyptic flash that brings us around full-circle from our origin…”

It doesn’t “recombine” them,  The Village Idiot, it “ionizes” them. You’ll be less of an idiot when you learn the difference, uhh.

Still, scientists do think that they are god or, at least, want to play god. Bt, this is not “unity”, it is wilful destruction…..

Oppenheimer, who developed the first A-bomb, quoted remorsefully from the ancient Hindu Bhagavadgita - “Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of worlds…” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8w3Y-dskeg

Arafat was clearly a zionist, and just as clear is the solution to all this Mideast Stuff: Nuke the Holy Land.

All the atoms in our bodies came from the nuclear furnaces of stars, so what better way to regain our original unity than to recombine our constituent elements in an apocalyptic flash that brings us around full-circle from our origin? Wasn’t the potentially vast number of Allied lives saved by nuking Hiroshima cited as a reason for dropping The Bomb on that city instead of invading the Japanese mainland? Wouldn’t many, many more potential lives be saved in the future (possibly the near future) by turning the entire Holy Land to glass? That much glass might even reflect enough sunlight to reduce global warming… a win-win for everyone!

“You cart out Ben Ami like a broken record as your token Israeli in a lame attempt to further discredit and delegitmize ALL of Israel and her citizens.”

Just the opposite, punk.  I give Ben-Ami credit for at least being honest about it.  Try to pay attention.

#117180 by P. T. on 11/30 at 3:36 pm
(345 comments total)

Now you’re trying to have it both ways, punk.

No, you are the one trying (and failing) to have it both ways.

Here’s why: You cart out Ben Ami like a broken record as your token Israeli in a lame attempt to further discredit and delegitmize ALL of Israel and her citizens. But even Ben Ami would reject your reasons for incessantly quoting him.

You can’t win, ass-hat. Suck the Giant Zionist Dick or we’ll have it rammed down your throat via AIPAC and the entire US Congress.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (and you actually BELIEVE that, too - that’s why it’s so funny)

OK, counting down to your next cut and paste of a Finkelstein link….........

CHILDREN OF PALESTINE

THE PHOTOS TELL THE STORY !

http://poetryforpalestine.spaces.live.com/

“Ben Ami is an idiot, too, but he would spit on your grave if he knew the other things you post about Israel and Jews in general.”

Now you’re trying to have it both ways, punk.

#117093 by lilmamzer on 11/30 at 10:48 am: “Rockets into Israel don’t rate condemnation from the typical Truthdig ass-hat because Jews aren’t worthy of self-determination, Jews don’t deserve safety and security in their own sovereign state, and last but not least, it’s Arabs who are doing the killings and we can’t hold THEM to a standard of civilized behavior of anyone else….”

Agreed, Israelis aren’t worthy of self-determination;
Agreed, Israelis don’t deserve safety and security in “their own sovereign state”;
Agreed, Israel should be “wiped off the map”, uhh.

If Israeli and Palestinian officials can’t find a way to establish a Palestinian state, the state of Israel won’t survive…...

Mr Olmert said it was not the first time he had articulated his fears about the demographic threat to Israel as a Jewish state from a faster growing Palestinian population…....

“If the day comes when the two-state solution collapses, and we face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, then, as soon as that happens, the State of Israel is finished…” http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20071129_olmert_warns_of_israels_end/

#117113 by P. T. on 11/30 at 11:49 am
(341 comments total)

I believe former Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami, who even admitted that if he were a Palestinian he would find the sham “deal” unacceptable.  Click http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11& ar=140

Fuck Ben Ami. Nobody in Israel gives a shit about him, and fuck you and your Israel-bashing, terror-supporting genocidal friends.

Finkelstein is a joke - can’t hold a job in academia let alone get tenure, and that’s saying something in today’s far-left-infested PC-corrupted university landscape these days.

Chomsky is a turd who lives like a rich guy but won’t admit it because it would hurt his street cred among leftist dead-enders.

Keep bringing ap Ben Ami as your token far-left Israeli. Makes you look like an idiot alongside all your anti-Israel postings. Ben Ami is an idiot, too, but he would spit on your grave if he knew the other things you post about Israel and Jews in general.

Fuck you.

Zionist atrocities against the indigenous Palestinian people continue.  Click http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=1340

Sorry about the previous bad link.  Below is the right one.

I believe former Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami, who even admitted that if he were a Palestinian he would find the sham “deal” unacceptable.  Click http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=140

I believe former Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami, who even admitted that if he were a Palestinian he would find the sham “deal” unacceptable.  Click http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11& ar=140

#116859 by Howard on 11/29 at 11:48 am

Rockets are still being sent into Israel daily; no one seems to care or worry that they will be sent from the West Bank quick-like if land is given up with nothing in return.

Well, DUH

Rockets into Israel don’t rate condemnation from the typical Truthdig ass-hat because Jews aren’t worthy of self-determination, Jews don’t deserve safety and security in their own sovereign state, and last but not least, it’s Arabs who are doing the killings and we can’t hold THEM to a standard of civilized behavior of anyone else.

God has pity on kindergarten children

  God has pity on kindergarten children.
  He has less pity on school children
  and on grownups he has no pity at all.
  he leaves them alone,
  and sometimes they must crawl on all fours
  in the burning sand
  to reach the first aid station
  covered in blood.

  But perhaps he will watch over true lovers
  and have mercy on them and shelter them
  like a tree over the old man
  sleeping on a public bench.

  Perhaps we too will give them
  the last rare coins of compassion
  that Mother handed down to us,
  so that their happiness will protect us
  now and in other days.

          Yehuda Amichai

Let’s leave aside the poiticians and foreign policy experts and turn to the poets at least for awhile.
Start with Yehuda Amichai.

RE:#116890 by P. T. on 11/29 at 2:43 pm
(336 comments total)
  P.T said “:Why would anybody believe anything Zionist Dennis Ross or Bill Clinton or some Saudi stooge said? “
=====================================================
They were there for one reason.  President Clinton staked a lot of his prestige and our country on a succesful happening.  Dennis Ross was the chief U. S. negotiator.  Prince Bandar is no ‘stooge”.  Arafat wanted him in his corner. 
I believe those are other good reasons. I mean, man, they were T -H-E-R-E. 
Who in dickens would YOU believe over those three.?

And here is what Arafat turned down.  A stunning offer that evern his most trusted advisers and senior associates are now regretting that he did not take.  And he never even made a counter offer.  that shows how uninterestd in peace he was.

In a noteworthy series of interiews conducted by Elsa Walsh for the New Yorker, Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia has publicly disclosed his behind-the-scenes role in the peace process and what he told Arafat.  Bandar is no lackey and Arafat wanted him at his side to help.  Bandar was a Saudi diplomat in Washington for twenty years and is a high-ranking member of the royal family, and he served as a crucial intermediary between Arafat and the Clinton administration.  He, like nearly everyone else, was surprised at Barak’s “remakable’ offer that gave the Palestininan state “about 97%  of the occupied territories, the Old City of Jerusalem other than the Jewish and Armenian Quarers, and $30 bilion in compensation for the refugees.  Arafat asked Crown Prince Abdullah, the acting monarch of Saudi Arabia, for Bandar’s help with the negotiations.  Bandar agreed but told Abdullah that ” there’s not much I can do unless Arafatis willing to understand that this is it..”  No better offer from Israel was possible .

Who knows if that much will ever be offered again.

And to call President Clinton and Dennis Ross both zionists….like its a dirty word is petulant.  Besides erroneous.

And might you give up the Liberty?  Only 40 years old news.  Three full serious investigations by our military and gov’t which agreed it was an accident.  Some of us who were around remember the huge extensive battlefront of that war in ‘67; a large fog of combatants and fronts..  No reason for pilots to bomb a U.S.ship on purpose.  Last thing anyone would want. I have flown planes.  It’s not like a computer game.

Just as I suspected, an apologist for terrorism.  I know one when I see one.  By the way, for more information on Israel’s terrorist attack on the USS Liberty, click http://www.gtr5.com

Remember the Liberty !!!

Israel chose Ben-Ami as its foreign minister, no other country.  I bet even Zionist Dennis Ross would admit that.

#116902 by lilmamzer on 11/29 at 3:22 pm

By the way, Ben-Ami had nothing to do with Israel’s terrorist attack on the USS Liberty.

A terrorist deliberately attacks civilians.

But what you refer to is very, very different.
In 1967, while fighting a hot war on three fronts against combined Arab armies, Israeli air force planes did in fact attack, but not sink, a US spy ship in a tragic friendly-fire incident.

Got anything better than that to smear the legitimacy of the Jewish state?

Or is that all you can do besides link to Finkelstein, Chomsky, and Ben Ami, whom nobody cares about?

#116900 by P. T. on 11/29 at 3:15 pm
(334 comments total)

By the way, Ben-Ami had nothing to do with Israel’s terrorist attack on the USS Liberty.

No, Israel never chose Ben Ami - he held a position as an appointee in a Labor government, now long out of power, and for good reasons.

Ben Ami is Israel’s version of traitorous and perennial embarrassment Ramsey Clark, who also was not elected but but appointed as a member of a Democratic Carter administration.

When you cite Ben Ami, you lose any credibility as a serious thinker.

When you bring up the old Liberty tragedy, you are literally grasping at straws. That’s been beaten to death. It’s also irrelevant to Arafat’s catastrophic failure at Camp David.

Ben Ami - irrelevant and discredited

Liberty incident - old news and irrelevant

PT - stuck in dead-end leftist talking points that have zero traction anymore.

Next…........

So Israel chooses “fringe” leftist foreign ministers.  lol

By the way, Ben-Ami had nothing to do with Israel’s terrorist attack on the USS Liberty.

#116898 by P. T. on 11/29 at 3:10 pm
(333 comments total)

Click on the link.  Read what Ben-Ami admitted.

Heard it. Read it. Recycled leftist bullshit.

Ben Ami is a joke and nobody except leftist dead-enders give a rat’s-ass what he or Finkelstein or Chomsky have to say.

Click on the link.  Read what Ben-Ami admitted.

#116890 by P. T. on 11/29 at 2:43 pm

Former Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami admitted the “deal” was a lousy one for the indigenous Palestinian people.

Shlomo Ben Ari is a discredited leftist politician who is a joke in Israel, and nobody takes him seriously. He doesn’t represent the views of the vast majority of Israelis, and will never hold any office of responsibility in Israel again.
You can compare him (unfavorably, of course) to that traitorous sleazebag former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark, who never met a terrorist or dictator he didn’t love.

So cite Finkelstein and Ben Ami all you want - it only paints you as out of touch and cherry-picking fringe voices to hear only the answers you want to hear, and that is quite pathetic.

#116890 by P. T. on 11/29 at 2:43 pm
(332 comments total)

Former Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami admitted the “deal” was a lousy one for the indigenous Palestinian people.  Click http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11& ar=140

LMFAO

All you do is link to Finkelstein and use “Zionist” as a lame smear. That’s so lame.

Clinton was THERE. Ross was THERE.

What you need to do is read what Arafat agreed to in the Camp David accords, and then read what he would say, in Arabic, in the Arab press.

Why would anybody believe anything Zionist Dennis Ross or Bill Clinton or some Saudi stooge said?

Former Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami admitted the “deal” was a lousy one for the indigenous Palestinian people.  Click http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=140

#116881 by Howard on 11/29 at 2:21 pm
(242 comments total)

And your gonna’ give us Finkelstein or Chomsky as compared to reputable people who were there ?

That’s that’s how it went down, and that’s how history will again record the failure of the Palestinian Arab cause.

Fuck Chomsky, fuck Finklelstein, and fuck the Jew-hating genocidal Arabs because they always fuck themselves first.

Finkelstein wasn’t at Camp David. Dennis Ross was the chief negotiator.  President Clinton was there hands on, no less. He places the entire blame for the termination of the process on Arafat.

How could Arafat possibly reject the historic offer? Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia, who was serving as an intermediary among the parties, and Was There, urged Arafat to “take the deal”. Could you ever get a ” better deal?” he asked.  ” Would you rather negotiate with Sharon?  As Arafat vacillated, Bandar issued a stern warning: “I hope you remembe, sir, what I told you.  If we lose this oppotunity, it is going to be a crime.”  (the New Yorker, march 24,2003 p. 55)

And your gonna’ give us Finkelstein or Chomsky as compared to reputable people who were there ?

#116877 by P. T. on 11/29 at 2:04 pm
(331 comments total)

Actually, DePaul University, despite its lack of backbone, did admit that Norman Finkelstein is a “prolific scholar and outstanding teacher.”

No, DePaul showed real backbone by firing Finkelstein and standing up to the political correctness disease of the left.

He’s a failed academic. And a real shit as a human being. Good riddance.

Good for DePaul, and good riddance.

Actually, DePaul University, despite its lack of backbone, did admit that Norman Finkelstein is a “prolific scholar and outstanding teacher.”

#116869 by lilmamzer on 11/29 at 1:19 pm: “Chomsky is a poster-child of the rudderless, gutted, ideologically barren, and dispirited left. He’s a charicature of the ivory-tower “do as I say, not as I do” post-communism hypocrites….”

Well, he is now sinc ehe became an apologist and denier of 9/11 - “Who cares”, he sadi recently in a broad disawowal. See the video clip in the recent Truthdig artice about him http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20071029_chomsky_disputes_9_11_conspiracy_theories/

#116868 by P. T. on 11/29 at 1:18 pm

Actually, Norman Finkelstein demolished Zionist Dennis Ross’s thesis that Israel made a “generous” offer at Camp David during the Clinton administration.

Finkelstein is also a poster-child of the rudderless, gutted, ideologically barren, and dispirited left. He’s a charicature of the ivory-tower “do as I say, not as I do” post-communism hypocrites.

NOBODY cares what Finkelstein has to say anymore, except far-left dead-enders.

And, Finkelstein is a loser - he is a failed academic, having been unable to satisfy the scholarship requirements for a tenured position at any university he’s ever had a chance to work at.

He’s a loser, and a bigot as well.

Fuck Finkelstein and fuck Chomsky.

And fuck Ward Chrchill while you’re at it.

#116857 by P. T. on 11/29 at 11:39 am
(329 comments total)

See what Noam Chomsky says about the hoax of Annapolis.

Chomsky is a poster-child of the rudderless, gutted, ideologically barren, and dispirited left. He’s a charicature of the ivory-tower “do as I say, not as I do” post-communism hypocrites.

NOBODY cares what Chomsky has to say anymore, except far-left dead-enders.

Actually, Norman Finkelstein demolished Zionist Dennis Ross’s thesis that Israel made a “generous” offer at Camp David during the Clinton administration.  Click http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=989

RE:  #116862 by P. T. on 11/29 at 12:15
==============

Chomsky turns most things upside down, which is a mild way of putting it.  For instance.

The prevailing view of the Camp David/White House negotiations ( and explained and confirmed by the U.S. negotiator, Dennis Ross)-that Israel offered generous concession, and that Yasser Arafat rejected them to pursue the war that began in September 2000 -  was acknowledged for more than a year.  To counter the perception that Arafat was the obstacle to peace, the Pal’s and their supporters then began to suggest a variety of excuses for why Arafat failed to say “yes” to a proposl that would have established a Palestinian state.  The truth is that if the Pal’s were dissatisfied with any part of the Israeli proposal all they had to do was offer a counterproposal.  They Never Did.

Later, in 2001 at Taba, even after Yasser Arafat rejected Barak’s unprecedented offer to creat a Palestinian state in 97 per cent of the WEst Bank, members of the Israeli gov’t still hoped a peace agreement was possible with the Pal’s..so Israel sent a delegation of its most dovish officials, all of whom favored a two-state solution (to Taba). The Israelis believed tht even though Arafat would not even offer a counterproposal to Barak, they might induce a Pal delegation without the PLO chairman to make sufficient compromises to at least narrow the gap between the Barak proposal and Arafat’s maximalist demands.

The Israelis discovered, however, that the Pal’s were not willing to negotiate on the basis of what Barak had proposed Istead, they withdrew many of the concessions they had offered.

In his last conversation with President Clinton, Arafat told the President that he was a “great man.” Clinton responded, “The hell I am, I’m a colossal failure, and you made me one”. (MSNBC (3.26.2001)

“I read over Noam Chomsky’s article; quite filled with erroneous statements.”

Name them. 

I read over Noami Choamsky’s article; quite filled with erroneous statements.  Not a good source by any means.  Cartoon is worthy of widespead criticism; pal’s need some work to do to get peace started

Rockets are still being sent into Israel daily; no one seems to care or worry that they will be sent from the West Bank quick-like if land is given up with nothing in return.

See what Noam Chomsky says about the hoax of Annapolis.  Click http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/27/1547221

Most likely killed by OTHER Palestinian Arabs, or by Jews in self-defense against terror attacks.

Just thought I’d point out the truth.

The victimes of neo-LUCIFER !

Well, the TRUTH finally arrived, uhh…... stinking to high heaven!