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By littleredmuse, June 26, 2007 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment
This is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen Mr. Fish. I was a lesbian until I saw this post…now, I want you.
By colts1, June 11, 2007 at 1:31 am Link to this comment
Falwell said queers live in sin. Jesus does not give grace to those who live in sin. Only those who repent their evil ways and accept the teachings of Jesus my savior. Jesus does forgive but only to those who do not live in sin. This cartoon makes no sense to me because no victory was won no point or good point is being made. An anti-gay man died and this makes queers proud?
By Chaseme, May 18, 2007 at 8:56 am Link to this comment
It wasn’t until I read of Falwell’s death that I began to believe that maybe “God” is a possibility.
For real proof, can “He” do the same trick on the bush administration?
By Ga, May 17, 2007 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment
Schadenfreude? (pleasure taken from someone else’s misfortune)
Ah, for those who believe in treating their neighbors as they would want to be treated, Jerry Falwell was the epitome of those who would preach (and legislate) hate and intolerance.
That’s right, hate and intolerance. Christians just do not look upon the condemnation of gays and lesbians as spreading heat and intolerance. Jast as they spread hate and intolerance of communists and socialists and mulsims and buddhists and “abortionists” etc. etc. etc.
Okay, okay, okay… Not all Christians are so hateful. But Falwell and many of his peers and followers are. This is something that people who would find this editoral cartoon as ‘schadenfreude.’
Some people just do not understand the persecution of gays and lesbians at the hands of church “leaders” like Falwell.
Under the guise of “family values” church leaders have been indirectly—enabling many followers and many a government policy—responsible for widespread persecution of not only gays and lesbians, but of all manner on non-“Chrsitian” people all over the globe.
This persecution cannot be denied. It is just Church leadership, never directly using the word, think that persecution is OKAY.
Every single Christian leader in this country without exception fully support—or at the least remain silent about—the absolute madness of the death and destruction of the people of Iraq.
“Family values” my ass. What the Christian leadership in this country means by “family values”—and Falwell has said this many times—is the fantasy 1950’s image of a Normal Rockwell home with a white working Dad who is obedient to his church, his government and his boss (in that order) with a stay-at-home Mon who is obedient to her husband, in that mortgaged home filled with new appliances.
Yes, that kind of life exists. But it is a small portion of the kind of “homes” that prosper in this country. Black, brown, yellow, red; large, small; mansion, moblie home, farm, tenement; Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Buddhist, atheist.
Remember when blacks were not allowed to marry whites? That was a Christian “family value.” Remember when gays were jailed, institutionalized? That was a Christian “family value.” Remember when “Communists” were black-balled, ever hear of the “Gentleman’s Agreement”? Remember lynchings? Slavery? Christian “family values.”
How dare you. How dare you equate this editorial cartoon by Mr. Fish with the video of the hanging of Saddam Hussein. How dare you. True Christian values would have been to have tried Saddam Hussein in the Hague by the International Criminal Court.
Instead, this “Christian Nation” invaded another country, wasting a trillion dollars, and has utter devastated it’s infrastructure, and killed 650,000 of it’s citizens.
You “Christians” should be ashamed of yourseves if you really had any morals.
By Outraged, May 17, 2007 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment
I think I’ll get me a flag like that and imprint Falwell’s face on it, hang it in the front yard. Kind of a “tribute”....
By rowdy, May 17, 2007 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment
most-so called KKKristians have not a clue as to how their silly nonsense came to be in the first place. the early KKKristians had as competition the silly beliefs of the romans and greeks. a god for everything. before mohammad came along the muslims worshipped many idols. the jews gave the world one god,responsible for everything. mohammad latched onto this and incorporated a great deal of jewish nonsense into his new belief system. in or about the year 280 a roman named constantine was born. while in battle he ostensibly had a vision of the KKKristian god. he became a follower instead of a persecutor of KKKristianity. he made it the official religion of rome. had constantine been born a mere 250 years later, he could as easily have become a moslem. isn’t that totally fucking scary? KKKristianity has a roman emperor as it’s real founder,not some fictitious jesus. and,by the way constantine was not a nice guy. i am rarely as didactic or pedantic as now. normally this is just the kind of posting i would normally ignore, because it is tedious and without real merit,not to mention totally boring.
By ATexan, May 17, 2007 at 9:26 am Link to this comment
To John Lowel
You do not get it. Falwell was a hate-monger,
intolerant, cruel son of a bitch. All the attacks
were against his rotten and mean-spirited self and
not against christianity. He was a stain on
christianity and its message of peace and tolerence and helping the downtrodden. Good riddance.
By Forkboy, May 17, 2007 at 9:06 am Link to this comment
Regarding #70473 by John Lowell on 5/16 at 6:40 pm
After having read and even posted my own comment regarding the passing of Mr. Falwell your comment gave me moment to pause. Perhaps you are right. Some of the posted comments have been tasteless. And perhaps your first paragraph has no small amount of merit. But there is the other side to this coin.
Folks like Falwell place themselves on a pedestal above the rest of us mere mortals. They assume a position of righteous indignation with all those who do not fall into lock-step (or is it goose-step?) with their ideological dogma. They blame all this country’s ‘ills’ on those who DARE to live a life in a manner inconsistent with that deemed ‘correct’ by folks such as Falwell. He spent a life-time spewing hatred (look at his views on Brown vs The Board of Education or his speeches and writing on civil rights issues during the 60s and 70s) and you will see a man who did everything possible to help create a backlash of disgust for him, while warmly embracing others who subscribed to his image of a white, Protestant, Anglo-Saxon, theocratic world.
But you are very much incorrect, in my opinion, on one specific matter:
Not one comment have I read condemns Christianity. Instead the comments condemn those of the fanatical Christian right who upchuck their venom to a willing public. Folks commenting here at Truthdig are not anti-Christian or anti-religion, but instead are anti-bigot-in-the-name-of-Christ. These folks are against the use of Christ’s name for the purpose of spreading hate and fear.
Finally, how on Earth is a banner representing gay rights (and not flown at half-staff, which I think is the whole point) such a horrible way of portraying no small sense of defiance at the death of a man who has spent a LIFETIME vilifying homosexuals? This cartoon isn’t laced with hateful speech or derogatory comments, but instead is a quiet and, in my opinion, tasteful way of expressing solidarity with those who have suffered at the mouth of Mr. Falwell.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t complain about the “bad taste” of comments tendered on this site and then also condemn what amounts to a silent protest against the hate Mr. Falwell preached.
By Margaret Currey, May 17, 2007 at 4:11 am Link to this comment
Although I am sorry that the man died young, I am sure if he took care of his health he could have lived a little longer, but I do not think he was like the Rev. Billy Graham.
By Brian, May 17, 2007 at 12:30 am Link to this comment
I don’t see what good rejoicing in the death of a person does to any cause or movement. I feel compassion needs to remain a part of the progressive movement. We need to set ourselves apart from that sort of rancor and petty politics.
This cartoon doesn’t speak for all queers, nor does it represent anything but a point-of-view. John Lowell’s ridiculous overreaction and righteous indignation either shows a practiced naïveté or an outright stupidity so common of the sitting duck religious types. Those that just sit there ready to feel attacked and scream “religious oppression” when they do. It’s disingenuous at best. I’m sorry, Mr. John Lowell if you identify your entire religion with this one petty man. I am very sorry for you. I think you do your religion a massive disservice.
The fact is, for all your feeling attacked -this man sold out your beliefs to a political party and a set of secular special interests. This man set himself up for attack by constantly attacking others. He set himself up as a symbol of hate and misery and it is that symbol that must be attacked. That is what this cartoon says to me: that after the hate has died we are still here.
Having said that, I mourn for the loss of Jerry Falwell, had he lived another couple of hundred years, he may have too seen the truth - that his actions were based on hatred and greed. Like the Dali Lama said when he asked for Saddam’s life to be spared something like everyone has a chance to improve and correct themselves. Even Jerry Falwell.
By peedeecee, May 16, 2007 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment
Incidentally, Falwell was an evil man. I don’t believe in an afterlife, but I find myself hoping that the God that Falwell believed in is now judging him, and finding him guilty of spreading hatred.
By peedeecee, May 16, 2007 at 11:32 pm Link to this comment
Rowdy wrote: “oops; i forgot to add this.for #70488 peedeecee. what i got from this cartoon, us fags wont lower our flags to honor hatemongers and homophobes.”
Okay - I’m glad to read that. But (*blush* - I don’t get out much) whose flag is that? I’ve never seen it before. If it is a flag representing gay rights, that’s great. Where can I learn more about this flag?
By Josh, May 16, 2007 at 11:20 pm Link to this comment
All hail the freedom flag, the symbol of embracing unity, love, understanding, compassion and above all: tolerance…unless they disagree with you.
By rowdy, May 16, 2007 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment
oops; i forgot to add this.for #70488 peedeecee. what i got from this cartoon, us fags won’t lower our flags to honor hatemongers and homophobes
By rowdy, May 16, 2007 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment
love this cartoon!! even more i love the ad appearing immediately after it, before the comments.realjock.com. what a slap in the face to this evil self promoting gas bag. falwell deserves all the abuse that can be heaped upon his soon to be rotting corpse. he didn’t take to heart the biblical injunction about taking care of one’s own body. i could rant for hours against this hypocritical piece of dreck, but i am already boring even myself. suffice it to say the son of a bitch is totally dead and i am thrilled. to hell with speaking ill of the dead. people who are scumbags while alive are still the same even after death. he should have been laid out on the desert so vultures can pick his corpse clean. since this didn’t happen it is up to us the living, to do the vultures work. tear this piece of shit to pieces and excrete his remains so the microbes in the ground can finish the job. microbes serve a higher purpose than this charlatan ever could have.[whew,what a vituperative tirade this was. i’m exhausted. i need a drink and 8 hours rest,so i can do it all over again tomorrow].
By Alfonso, May 16, 2007 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment
His life came to an end in the most deserving way, alone, uneventfully, and without even a dog to lick his sorry flesh.
I do hope his arrival to hell was a deserved reward to the pain and misery he dished out.
By peedeecee, May 16, 2007 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment
Okay, I cheerfully admit that I don’t get this cartoon—will someone be kind enough to explain it?
By John Lowell, May 16, 2007 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment
To exult in the death of anyone simply because they disagree with your point of view is not only in bad taste but says more about those exultant than the one now dead.
For this site to encourage this kind of tastelessness is of a piece with those that published the video of the hanging of Sadam Hussein. The hatred of the Christian religion all too often in evidence here is an indictment of the people that that run truthdig.com and a stain particularly on people like Robert Scheer, who until now I’d respected. And as for Fish, if homosexuality is to be characterized by this kind of schadenfruede then perhaps the just concerns of religious people about it are, if anything, most under-appreciated.
This blog needs a little castor-oil.
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