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Kucinich Says Obama Got the Deal He Wanted

Posted on Aug 4, 2011
AP / Mark Duncan

President Obama talks with Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, left, and Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, center, in 2010.

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Peter Scheer: We were told to expect a lot of resistance to this bill, this compromise, this debt-ceiling compromise, in both the House and the Senate. And in both chambers, it passed, apparently, very easily. Forty-five Democrats in the Senate voting for it, even though some raised some objections, particularly to the Social Security and Medicare threat. Why?

Dennis Kucinich: Well, again, I think that there were concerns among people of both parties about seeing the president further weakened, even though this is actually—he got the deal he wanted. We’ve got to go to a larger question here: Where are we in America right now? This was a fake crisis. And it was a phony solution. When you have 14 million Americans out of work, 9.2 percent unemployment, plus at least another 12 million Americans who are underemployed; when you have a gross domestic product at—I think GDP growth is like 1.3 percent; when you have manufacturing slowing, when you have the stock markets through a period of eight days in decline—which, you know, they had eight straight days of decline, which was the first time since 2008, when the system was headed towards severe straits … you know, the solution that was offered through cutting spending made no sense at all. So we have to create millions of jobs to get America going again. We’re not doing that. The private sector’s not going to create the jobs, so what’s happened is that the president is actually—well, he’s now telling the country that he’s going to turn to creating jobs. Did he read the legislation? I mean, of course he did; he knew. You can’t … you know, it’s putting his …

Peter Scheer: Well, how is he expecting to get re-elected if he’s …

Dennis Kucinich: Well, it’s a good point. That’s where we got into the discussion about using Clinton triangulation tactics, but with a Hoover economy.


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Dennis Kucinich: Well, yeah. There’s a different economy now. You could compare what has happened to … when you put your foot on the accelerator of cutting—you know, on the budget hawks’ accelerator, cutting spending—you’re also simultaneously putting the brakes on the economy. You don’t have to be a genius to figure this out. And when you do that, you’re going to have enormous stress on the system, which will result in stagnation. And that’s where we’re headed. We are looking towards a double-dip recession. And when you’ve got people in the White House who famously came to office under a banner of behavioral psychology—check it out—what are they thinking now? What are they … if you say jobs, you’re going to create jobs? Is that it? It’s like, you just invoke the word “jobs” and suddenly jobs appear? No. You have to, government has to … Roosevelt understood this. If you look at the Democratic platform, the platforms in ’32 and ’36, they understood the role of government. They understood that the private sector isn’t providing jobs, that the public sector has a moral responsibility to do that. And what this deal does—and there’s so many layers to it, but when you go deeper into this deal, it actually rejects the role of government. It is part of an effort to nullify the presence of government in our society. Which is really a collective expression of the practical aspirations of people being nullified here.

So as you go deeper and deeper, unpeel one layer after another, what you have here is a fundamental attack on the entire basis of polity and a rejection of the principal philosophical concept in Democratic governance of government of the people and for the people, and a willingness to substitute corporate principles for managing public affairs. We’re seeing state and local government cut; we’re seeing an acceleration of privatization; we’re seeing this tranche of wealth going on at a time when people are told, well, we just have a limited amount of money. Let me go deeper, one layer deeper: Why in the world should we even have to get into a discussion of borrowing money from banks, or getting our debt financed by outside investors? Why do we have to do that? I mean, we—the United States is sovereign. You look at the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, the Congress has the ability to coin money, create wealth. Now, it’s not just the province of libertarians; when you look at the Federal Reserve and the fact that in 1913 our monetary system was essentially changed. And when the Federal Reserve has the ability to issue, through quantitative easing, over a trillion dollars, and give it to the private sector, including to banks, that can park money at the Fed and gain interest out of that—at the same time, we’re being told that the government doesn’t have the money to create jobs. The government has to reclaim that. I mean I actually have a bill in that would put the Fed back under Treasury, and that would enable the government to invest, to create jobs, to rebuild America’s infrastructure, which right now has over $3 trillion in needs that are not being met, that cannot be financed, that aren’t going to be met under this current fiscal discipline. So you go deeper and deeper into this, and you can discover that everything about this bill is wrong; that it collides with … it’s not just about it colliding with the New Deal; it collides with the preamble of the Constitution of the United States.

Robert Scheer: You know, Dennis, I want to ask you one last question, because I think we’ve now gotten to really what is the key point. And I wrote a column today for Truthdig saying, you know—I used the phrase “the new Democrats”; I put Clinton and Obama in that. And they have tried to throw the New Deal overboard. And they consider it unnecessary baggage; they consider it outmoded. And by the New Deal, I really mean the very thing you described: the notion of government stepping in when it’s needed, as a progressive force to help people who are jobless, losing their homes, set the economy straight. And what this bill does is it leaves us with the Fed as the only agency that can act now, because government spending is really off the table. And one could argue what should have been done is actually to make the states whole, you know? Get rid of the state debt, keep the firemen and teachers; those people will spend the money, they won’t pocket it. And instead, as you point out, we’re going to be left with the Fed being able to make the banks whole once again, and make big corporations … and they’re sitting on trillions of dollars, and they’re not investing it in jobs; we know that.

And so really, what I think—the point here that has to be made is that without a strong labor movement, without a strong consumer movement—which we don’t have, with maybe the exception of AARP—we don’t have a countervailing force in the Democratic Party or anywhere else. Even somebody that I was once critical of, Scoop Jackson—they called him the senator from Boeing; you know, old-fashioned Democrat, you know, from the state of Washington—but my god, Scoop Jackson would be shocked. Richard Nixon would be shocked! Ronald Reagan, whose father—you know, Ronald Reagan in his autobiography said were it not for the New Deal his family would have starved. His father worked for the New Deal. He always said ‘I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me.’ And what you have now is people parading as Democrats who really are just at the beck and call of Wall Street. The reason this bill passed was the Wall Street lobbyists descended—The New York Times had a very good story—they just descended that last week and said ‘Get it done.” You know, there was a threat from the very rating agencies that had screwed up our economy by giving the OK to those mortgage packagers. So I just wonder, where are we going to get that voice? Peter before said that you’re our favorite—well, we’ve got Bernie Sanders, also; we’ve got a few others—but you know, is everyone else on the take? Have they all sold out? Don’t they see this?

Dennis Kucinich: Well, you’ve got to look to the writings of Peter Berger to figure this out. He wrote a book that had to do with the social construction of reality, and what happens in Washington is that the K Street lobbyists, the Wall Street forces, the corporations helped to construct a political reality inside the beltway, which creates imperatives for a few at the expense of the many. And when you go outside the beltway and you see massive unemployment, people losing their jobs, their homes, their retirement security, their children not being able to go to the schools they want to—you come to experience an America that’s a little bit different than that which exists inside Washington. When you have Standard & Poor’s as a rating agency, which actually was selling its ratings to the … its rating marks, threatening the United States of America—look, I would have run them into the Justice Department so quick that they would have had their heads spinning and had the FCC cancel their ability to give ratings. But we don’t do that here. And as far as labor—you’re right; labor is what’s left. I’m going to be speaking this week to the Washington State Labor Council about the exact issues that you raised. Labor, ultimately, is the force. Because when you talk about the right to organize, the right to collective bargaining, the right to strike—those are part of the pulleys of a Democratic society. And those are under attack right now; the National Labor Relations Board is under attack. And the attempt to unionize is under attack more than ever, even though labor constitutes an increasingly smaller percentage of the workforce …. at least, unions constitute an increasingly smaller percentage of the workforce. So we have to reorganize the effort to bring about transformative change. And it has to be done at a grassroots level.

It’s really worth mentioning, Bob and Peter, that right after the attack, in 2002, when people massed across the country anticipating that there could be an attack on Iraq—they were objecting to it—that we felt like the percolation of civic commitment, and of a demonstration of civic power in the United States and, for that matter, around the world. Then the war started, and it basically stopped. We are now at the other end of this tunnel of post-9/11, and that is finding an economy that is stagnant, a country that is still fearful, a nation that is at wars that make no sense. And this is the time for us to sound the tocsin again and create for this country—in neighborhoods and at the precinct, the ward, the city level—a whole new level of discussion which inevitably is going to have to go out to the street, where people demand a different direction for America, a more just society economically. Where they demand jobs for all, health care for all—not corporate health care, but health care for all, education for all, retirement security for all, a clean environment, clean water—those things should not be beyond our reach. Today they appear to be. As badly used as this mechanism of government has been, as much as it has been a vehicle to assault the basic economic interests of the people to deny their practical aspirations, so too that structure still exists that enables a fulfillment of the dreams that appear to be out of reach. But that can only come through mass action. We’re really at that stage.

Peter Scheer: Well, thank you for taking the time to speak with us, Dennis.

Dennis Kucinich: Thank you very much.

Peter Scheer: We’ve been speaking with Dennis Kucinich of Ohio. He’s our favorite congressman.

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Peter Scheer: That’s it for Truthdig Radio this week. Find us next Wednesday at 2 or anytime online at Thanks to our guests Ethan Pollack, Virginia Reno, Peter Friedrich and Rep. Dennis Kucinich, of course. Our producer is Joshua Scheer. Our board-op today is D’Angelo Jones. Jee engineered the show, and Alan Minsky is our spirit guide. For Robert Scheer, Howie Stier and Peter Scheer, thanks for listening. 

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By betty jo ford, August 9, 2011 at 7:01 am Link to this comment
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I hope that Dennis tracks the coming coup and facilitates America’s response.We all know that it starts with the Koch brothers giving monies to Grover,who in turn bribes Congress.It is my allegation that the brother of Grover,David L. Norquist,through his Partnership at Kearney and Company,a privately held accounting firm, with offices all over the world,is advising Grover of everything that Kearney learns through it’s federal contracts.There is probably no fed department that Kearney is not into.David Norquist is Uncle Sam’s bookkeeper.The third Norquist brother ,Alan, owns a company called Veriphyr.It has put in a proposal to Darpa to gaurd America’s cyber network.Three Norquist Brothers,The Koch Brothers,an Arabic wife,a history of Arab terrorists being given acess to the Bush White House are all reasons to track the coming coup.

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By Ralph Kramden, August 8, 2011 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment
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A nation that does not elect those such as Ralph Nader or David Kucinich is a nation on a death wish. I did enjoy Peter Sheer’s parting shot at his father after Robert started trying to backtrack about how Kucinich was not their favorite congressman but only one amongst a few; I lovedhow he closed by saying “our favorite congressman.”

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By SteveL, August 7, 2011 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

“Pentagon with more money than it wants”

Even if $500 billion were cut, how many countries would we still be outspending on the military?

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By Night-Gaunt, August 7, 2011 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

You do that and as your protest is ignored the more extreme Reich wingers will get in. You see they like fewer votes, less turnout and ridiculous actions like yours. Why do you think they keep pushing the myth of “voter fraud” to use it as a means to cutting off real Democrats from getting to vote? Your ignorance is breath taking. And your self destructive foolishness. Rethink now.

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By Martin, August 6, 2011 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment
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Comes the next election - any election - and probably at least several after that, I intend to write in my own name for any and all offices listed on the ballot.

Yes, it’s a ‘throwaway’ vote, but - if EVERYONE did it - it’d send a loud and clear message that might get the message across that we’re totally fed up….

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By Penn, August 6, 2011 at 9:28 am Link to this comment
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Last long paragraph in Kucinich interview:

“And this is the time for us to sound the toxin again and create for this country…”

Editors, the word is “tocsin,” not “toxin.”  The magnificent Rep. Kucinich is using it correctly.

That said, thank you for the interview and the transcription, which was very good.

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By Rixar13, August 6, 2011 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

“Virginia Reno: Absolutely. Absolutely, and people without children or grandchildren, or with children or grandchildren who didnt take care of them, would be in dire straits.”

Thank you Virginia Reno…..

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By EmileZ, August 6, 2011 at 2:08 am Link to this comment

RE: Kucinich

Dear Robert Scheer,

I love you man, but I am puzzled as to why you continue to selectively interpret Reagan’s legacy, intent, whathaveyou.

Reagan stopped enforcing anti-trust laws. Reagan broke the back of the labor movement. The man was vitually on the wrong side of everything all of political life. His speeches were really f**king creepy, etc.

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By DaveZx3, August 6, 2011 at 12:17 am Link to this comment

By ETNIKS, August 5 at 6:19 pm

“Kucinich said it very well, but nobody seemed to pick it up and expand on it.  THIS IS IT!!  The government must create its own currency, interest-free and close down the FED.”

ETNIKS has made a number of extremely good points.  His assertions are backed up by literally hundreds if not thousands of books, among the best being:

“End The Fed”,  Ron Paul; 
“The True Story Of The Bilderbeg Group”, Daniel Estulin; 
“The Creature From Jekyll Island”, G. Edward Griffin; 
“The Secrets of the Federal Reserve”, Eustace Mullins; 
“Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country”, William Greider.

According to most of the above sources,  the primary owners of the Federal Reserve Bank are: 

1. Rothschild’s of London and Berlin
2. Lazard Brothers of Paris
3. Israel Moses Seaf of Italy
4. Kuhn, Loeb & Co. of Germany and New York
5. Warburg & Company of Hamburg, Germany
6. Lehman Brothers of New York
7. Goldman, Sachs of New York
8. Rockefeller Brothers of New York

But who can confirm the above.  The Fed goes unaudited, so where their money flows is a secret.  They don’t pay any income tax, and they are not publicly traded.  We take their word for it that they operate on our behalf, but how can you actually tell? 

“Clearly the private ownership of the U.S. Dollar is by far The Greatest Crime of the Century.  The owners of this bank (Fed) have been responsible for instigating all the major wars and depressions in the last 100 years.  They own the bank, they own the dollar and they own all the major media channels, the military industrial complex and most politicians, judges and cops.”  “The privately held Federal Reserve Bank has not once been audited and never pays any income tax on their astonishing income.”
——Liberty For Life Association

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning”.
——Henry Ford

“If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency.. the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
——Thomas Jefferson

I am just pasting a couple of the better quotes from the following website:

There are a lot of good points for pondering in there.

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By ETNIKS, August 5, 2011 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

BRAVO!!!  finally someone mentioned the US government has the capacity to create its OWN MONEY!!!
and it had to be the BEST Congressman in this country.

From the Right to the very Left NOBODY is talking about the MOST important issue in this crisis, namely:
The Fractional Reserve Banking System.


It has to be understood that within this fraudulent banking system, THE MORE WE PAY BACK OUR DEBTS, THE LESS MONEY IN CIRCULATION, and the less money in circulation, the more we strangle the economy!!!

Dollars today look the same as when they were backed by gold, but they are NOT the same.  “Dollars” today ONLY exist as long as the original loan that created them is not paid.  Once the loan is paid these dollars DISAPPEAR!!! and in order to grow the money supply to expand the economy to create jobs, we have to BORROW MORE!!!  It’s a vicious circle thanks to the Fractional Reserve Banking System.

It’s like a drug that requires you to consume it to feel well.  As soon as you stop (banks stop lending and currency flow contracts), you’re gasping for air and end up using more of what is destroying you.  More debt. More drugs.

Kucinich said it very well, but nobody seemed to pick it up and expand on it.  THIS IS IT!!  The government has to create its own currency, interest-free and close down the FED.

There are many other problems, but unless we STOP CREATING MONEY as loans, no other solution will work.


Lincoln did it during the war of secession, he created the GREENBACK to pay for the war at NO interest to the government, and he intended to keep doing it but he was assassinated.

Dollars today behave more like IOU’s masquerading as money.  Once they are paid back to the bank, they stop their existence.  These particular “dollars” are gone and “new” ones have to be lent out into existence.

Links to support this view:

Debunking Money - 1 Myth and Machiavelli 1 of 5

RENAISSANCE 2.0   Damon Vrabel

ONE GOOD CUT campaign



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By Basoflakes, August 5, 2011 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

I like listening to Kucinich, but I don’t see a solution from him.  Amy Goodman of Democracy Now had an article about the reluctance of the present congress and Administration to talk about the $5 Trillion spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts in these latest budget/debt ceiling talks.  That fell on deaf ears on Capital Hill.

Me, I would go back to Vietnam.  Not since WW2 has the US been attacked by a country that required our current Dept of Defence budget.  Although we had a committment in Korea and Kuwait, all other conflicts since the end of WW2 resulted in innocent civilians and soldiers on all sides dying for absolutely nothing.  Yes, the trillions that were spent should be discussed and the Defence budget should resultingly be cut in half at least, but the talks should always be ‘Who is benefitting from these conflicts’ so we can arrest the culprits to stop this insanity.

From the beginning, Obama proved to be a Republican and did nothing to show any courage from escalating Afghanistan fighting to a completely unprogressive health care bill, and now this latest debt ceiling bailout.  Nader predicts a contender for the 2012 Democratic nomination and that should be interesting.  However, this congress and Adminstration, as so many before them, has proven that the two party system is really the problem of America.

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By juan, August 5, 2011 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment
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Okay, we’re all seeing Obama pretty clearly now.  Are
y’all ready to consider that Al Gore wouldn’t have been
much different than George Bush? I remember Scheer
vilifying Ralph Nader for running in 2000.  Still does
as far as I know.

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By THE SNED, August 5, 2011 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

Local Hero…..please expand on your statement…like a few facts.
He has yet to attack a country that did nothing to us (Iraq….Vietnam….Afghanistan)

Now unless you and I grew up in two different worlds, you are either a tea party patsy or the kind of hero that drives around with a flag flying out the driver’s side window, having never served this country a day.  (Not taking away an ounce from the real heroes who have served and fly the flag)

One sentence attacks spread little more than hate.  So take a deep breath and tell us what you know that we don’t know.

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By M Henri Day, August 5, 2011 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

Good questions from the Scheers, good answers from Mr Kucinich. Alas, from my vantage point here in Northern Europe, it seems extremely unlikely that what has been said in this interview will have the slightest effect on the political situation in the United States. People in that country - and we others in the rest of the world who are so strongly affected by the policies chosen by those who run its government - are in for a very rough ride, indeed….

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By Lafontaine, August 5, 2011 at 9:24 am Link to this comment
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Okay there’s all kinds of accusations being slung around against DK here and it seems to me that most of them are either bogus or grossly distorted. Read the comment by FRTothus to get what I think is a truer perspective. DK has always put the people before his own interests and he has proven that over and over again. If we had thrown our support behind him at the very start of the 08 campaign we might have had a really good chance to have a very different outcome in our situation today.

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By LocalHero, August 4, 2011 at 11:41 pm Link to this comment

Obama is the biggest Neo-con, warmonger to ever sit in the oval office. He makes Reagan look left of Stalin.

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By Not One More!, August 4, 2011 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment

To Throw Off Such Government

“We hold these truths to be self evident, That all men are created equal, That they are endowed by their creator, With certain unalienable rights to. Life, Liberty , and the Pursuit of Happiness, That to secure these rights, Governments are formed , But whenever any form of government, Becomes destructive, It is the Right of the People, It is their Duty, To throw off such government”

~ From the Declaration of Independence

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By Not One More!, August 4, 2011 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment

Obama got the deal he wanted, and the people got the shaft, again.

On this issue Kucinch is absolutely correct.

However, I lost a lot of respect for Kucinich as a representative of the progressive movement during the 2004 election when he dropped out the week before the democratic convention, when he promptly fell into place with the democratic party. He let a lot of people down, and I don’t think he ever fully apologized for that letdown of supporters of the progressive movement.

And then the reversal on the health bill. Strike two.

Mr. Kucinich, if upholding progressive positions is secondary to being reelected or being a democratic party member in good standing, then you are not what the progressive movement needs. Good intentions must turn into action. There is no retreat.

And if you are just acting as the democratic party gatekeeper, well then, who else is left? Being a nice guy is not enough.

Of course this is easy for me to say. I realize that it is very difficult, when trying to uphold progressive policies, to always be on the opposing side, the minority, and be attacked for standing up for principles of peace and justice. But that is what is going to be needed. Kucinich has not stepped up to bat. When it would have counted, he sat back down on the sidelines with all the other democrats. 

The first step for Kucinich to be considered a serious progressive is to drop out of the democratic party. Even if he doesn’t get elected.

Vote third party, stop supporting corporate parties.

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By Awi, August 4, 2011 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

The “o” is in fact doing exactly what he wants to do and to achieve.  He is a University of Chicago corporatist, head to toe.  The people that can’t get this through their heads are the Democratic clubbies.  If you have not moved past “o” yet, you are one of them.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 4, 2011 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

Kucinich duped as much as most were in 2008 and being a dutiful Democrat, but Joell aren’t you jumping the gun here? He hasn’t endorsed Obama and it isn’t 2012 so your whole idea is ridiculous. I don’t see him doing so this time.

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By FRTothus, August 4, 2011 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment

Kucinich fought the economic hit-men out to defraud
his city, his constituency, and won. He fought the
financial blackmailers and he beat them all.  He has
the right vision, is aware of the fraud of the FED,
and is competently aware of the real issues, the ones
the press and the ruling class will not discuss. 
Look for real heroes all you want, you won’t find
any.  Look for saviors, they are only in children
stories or Obama campaign ads.  Look for a politician
that isn’t compromised in some way, or dirty in
others, and you won’t find one among the majority of
both parties.  But SOME flawed human being, SOME
politician, not some Prince Charming, IS going to
fill that office, of that there can be no doubt. 
Which flawed character shall we allow? Obama of the
forked-tongue?  The one who gives away the store, or
maybe a real care-taker, who agrees with the core
human values that is the only legitimate purpose of
ANY government of, by, and for the people. Kucinich
may only be speaking the language of populism, may
turn out to serve the corporate overlords once
elected, exactly as Obama has done, but Kucinich
actually has a track record of FIGHTING, and WINNING
against the corporate attack dogs, references the New
Deal and Social Justice, makes all the right noises. 
Sure, Kucinich had to hold his nose and vote for a
bill he was against, like everyone else playing the
dirty game of politics, because his district, the
people he represents, the citizens of his district,
were being played as pawns in a game of chicken, a
vote against would result in funds due the district
being denied, held for ransom, just like the debt
“deal”, the blackmail (or greenmail) is common in
legislation.  Vote no, you win the battle, but lose
the war, having much-needed funds denied. Navigating
through the corporate-state requires making such
horrible, and in an imperfect world, regrettable
choices. Someone is going to make them.  In the real
world, you take what you can get, do the best you can
for the people (in Kucinich’s case), not the
corporations (as with most others) you are elected to
represent, and try to do them the most good and as
little harm along the way as you can manage.  In this
regard, Kucinich has shown himself to be a giant. He
works for his constituency, those who elected him. 
The man is no Saint, granted, but why are we looking
for saints in the first place?  Kucinich is a very
capable, and in many respects, an extraordinarily
honorable man, who displays a bravery and conviction
that is far too rare among his fellows. It is
precisely this integrity that so threatens the power
structure, puts such fear into the corporate lackeys,
makes them so insecure, that they will fall all over
themselves to tell us how un-electable he is, how
lacking he is in what it takes, make up whatever
excuse works to distract from the vision of the
purpose of government that he adheres to, the one
that has the support of the overwhelming majority of
Americans, that he has espoused his entire adult
life.  Kucinich is one of the few out there for whom
the US Constitution and Bill of Rights are not
radical documents.  Kucinich WILL take on the
corporate take-over of our county, the theft of the
commons, to the best of his ability, and faithfully
execute the Law of the Land, a feat for which the
current incumbent has proven entirely unwilling and
incapable.  Perhaps even a return to legitimacy and
sovereignty.  Whatever he might be after election,
Kucinich’s track record shows every indication that
he consistently walks his talk, and has the right
frame of reference.  In terms of character, few can
come close.  He is the real deal.  He fights for
regular people.  He has backbone.  The same certainly
cannot be said of the current excuse in the White

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By grokker, August 4, 2011 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment

@tropicgirl Obama appointed opponents of Social Security to the Deficit Reduction Commission. Chumps like Republican Senator Alan Simpson and ex-Clinton Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles, so you could see where he was planning to go all along. The same with all the ex Bush and Clinton Wall Street toadies he brought in to his Administration. He is a Wall Street Democrat—
what used to be known as a Republican.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, August 4, 2011 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

So then. We need to ask why our heroes, Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders are not running against Obama?

Unless of course MK77 is correct.

Of course MK77 is correct. Dennis Kucinich proved himself with the corporate healthcare bill.

Understand people. Kucinich and Sanders are ALLOWED to be there. The corporate owners want you think that we have a representative democracy.

We don’t. They are simply the window dressing.

See you all October 6th

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By al, August 4, 2011 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment
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Kucinich should sit down and STFU. The highlight of his legislative career has been to rename a post office. He and Ron Paul are the most ineffective members of the House.

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By anaman51, August 4, 2011 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

I sincerely hope Kucinich is wrong about his assessment of this issue, because if he’s not, then that would pretty much make Obama a two-legged carp.

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By david451, August 4, 2011 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

Obama was always going to deliver for the monied interests that put him in the
White House—the same interests that he is now trolling for his re-election

From 2008 on, he has been consistent in both his statements and his actions
that he intended to tackle the social contract with Americans.  The Simpson “cat
food” commission was an early flag; the G20 Summit Declaration of last year
(lead by the US and Canada) said “The advanced economies have committed to
fiscal plans that will at least halve deficits by 2013.”; and recently he met with
conservative luminaries to assure them of these very actions.

As Matt Taibbi recently said in his blog, Obama delivered exactly what was
expected of him.  And he did it with a misdirection, a manufactured crisis. 
Rahm Emanuel has said: “you never want a serious crisis to go to waste…its an
opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.”  In this case,
Obama used a fake crisis over the debt ceiling to push through austerity
measures that no Republican could have realistically imagined.

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By mackTN, August 4, 2011 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

Why is anyone surprised at Obama’s behavior?  Look at the people he’s
surrounded himself with, the people he appointed to his economic council, the
people he hasn’t. Do you see any progressives on his staff?  Do you even see a lot
of diversity, like black people except for his valet, Valerie Jarrett and Holder? 

Obama’s slogan for 2012—Vote for me. It could be worse.

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By MK77, August 4, 2011 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

“Rape counselors are not on the side of the rapists!”

Their ROLE is that of rape counselor, making a show of pity and concern for those raped by legislation like the Healthcare Bill which THEY voted for.

It’s all a game, and unfortunately too few of us are on to it.

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By Gmonst, August 4, 2011 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

Thats a load of hogwash MK77.  Even on this debt ceiling vote Sanders and Kucinich voted against it, and Boehner and Cantor voted for it.  To suggest that Sanders and Kucinich are just part of the problem really misses the mark.  We need to support those who speak the truth not shoot them down.

Rape counselors are not on the side of the rapists!

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By MK77, August 4, 2011 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

Kucinich and Sanders are just as useful to the corporate system as anyone else in Congress.

It’s just that their role is a little different.

They serve as rape counselors, consoling working stiffs and other unfortunates when necessary.

When it really matters, however, they vote the same way as Boehner, Cantor, Hoyer, and the others. They’ll cry and grieve after the voting is over and the bill becomes law. Their colleagues, on the other hand, make no show of caring about “the little people” and are thus more honest.

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By grumpynyker, August 4, 2011 at 11:41 am Link to this comment
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Oh please.  You fake progressives KNEW Barry Soetero was a Reagan loving, Republican WHILE he was “running” for President.  I’m writing in NONE OF THE ABOVE if the plutocrats allow another bullshit election come November.

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By Amerikagulag, August 4, 2011 at 11:09 am Link to this comment
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Certain people are put in certain places, to say certain things, to give the appearance of opposition, when, in fact, no opposition exists at all.

As with John Conyers, Henry Waxman, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and a plethora of others, there no longer exists an opposition to anything the Crime Syndicate of Washington DC intends to do to the American People.

Dissolve the Federal Reserve and this ‘debt’ would magically disappear. That’s What Lincoln, Garfield and Kennedy, both John and Robert wanted to do. Look what it got them.

It’s all a shell game. Wake up America.

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By lasmog, August 4, 2011 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

This is a tough crowd. I would happily vote for Kucinich as a primary challenger to Obama.

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By Gmonst, August 4, 2011 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

I am a big Kucinich fan.  I don’t agree with his healthcare vote, but I recall him being one of the only politicians to stand up and try to get the public option into the bill.  I also understand that he felt if the bill did not pass it would be a long long time before we could do anything on healthcare, and the bill was at least a small move in the right direction.  I don’t know if I agree with that conclusion, but I am not going to dismiss him just because of that.  Based on the current state of the house, I am not going to outright dismiss his judgement even if I felt differently at the time.  He has been one of the biggest fighters for the public good.  He takes being ridiculed and marginalized but keeps on fighting and speaking the truth.  For that he has my respect and support.

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By George, August 4, 2011 at 9:57 am Link to this comment
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So just how much, and why, are we to value the opinion of Mr Kucinich?

The Brand: Dennis Kucinich the Vegan opposition to the awful conservative movement.

Anyone here heard about the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act? A piece of legislation that has been used to imprison non-violent opponents of corporate animal cruelty including the “shac7”.

Dennis Kucinich was present with five other congressmen when that legislation was passed under a suspension of the rules. Kucinich alone could have stopped it with a no vote; instead he made a little speech to protect his brand and allowed the legislation to become law.

I’m no fan of Obama and will not vote for him again, but the opinion of Mr Kucinich carries little weight with me. He is just another self-serving politician willing to sell out his putative constituency at any time.

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By entropy2, August 4, 2011 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

@madisolation - couldn’t have said it better myself… *but* (imo) don’t hold your breath waiting for DK to “man up.”

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By MK77, August 4, 2011 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

I listened to the interview before commenting.

One of the big problems with the American electoral system is that there are no consequences for casting bad votes.

Sanders and Kucinich voted to increase the powers of corrupt insurance corporations—the truly bad actors in the healthcare system—and yet they are still held in very high esteem, their reputation as left-wing mavericks completely unsullied.

Their stock should have been downgraded after that single awful vote.

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By blogdog, August 4, 2011 at 8:33 am Link to this comment

Dennis knows the score, i.e. the deception that is the Obomber Regime (meet the
new boss, same as the old boss); and he knows how far he can go and still survive
politically and physically - e.g. Wellstone, anthrax, the Kennedys, MLK, et al

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By madisolation, August 4, 2011 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

When Kucinich apologizes for his vote on the Mandated Corporate Insurance Bill, maybe then I’ll take him seriously and listen to what he has to say. Until then, his words are only words, because when the chips are down, he’s proven he’ll cave. It was a punch in the gut when Kucinich voted turned out to be nothing more than another cowardly politician. All those phony speeches he gave about caring for the working men and women went by the wayside. I remember thinking: “That’s it then. There’s no liberal voice in Congress left.” As far as I’m concerned, he has to redeem himself if he wants to stay relevant. He has to express his views on everything going on in Congress and not worry about what the other members of his party think. And it all begins with an apology. Come on, Kucinich. Be a man. Let’s see if you can stand up for the people.

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By weindeb, August 4, 2011 at 7:55 am Link to this comment
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No doubt, despite some minor concessions, the health-care insurance industry
must be gleeful beyond description, as no doubt the pharmaceuticals were when
under Bush we got Medicare part D without a single negotiation for better prices.
Plus ça change, etc.

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By tropicgirl, August 4, 2011 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

Of course Obama got the deal he wanted. He is a fake.

And if you think he didn’t take the second major step in destroying SS and Medicare, (the first being the health insurance bill), LOOK again…

One of the things that will be “triggered” is a huge cut in entitlements. Entitlements paid for by American taxpayers and stolen from to the tune of $( Trillion, over the years.

Obama is out to destroy entitlements, labor unions, good medicine, peace, freedom and intelligence, and everything else good. It takes very little research to find these things out about him. For example, just “Google” “Obama Union Buster”.

I agree with the comments on Kucinich. I don’t really think it is possible for him to repair the damage he did with his votes with Obama, especially health care.

What Kucinich did, which is much more serious than even the vote, is what all “heroes” do, when they crash and burn… they demoralize others.

The compromise of the true liberals to the fake progressives and left-wing crooks, is extremely heartbreaking to watch, and it is the reason there is NO more anti-war movement. Any anti-war action will now come from the right, if it even can. Pretty sad.

But I’ll listen to anyone willing to speak the truth or do the right thing, even if it is for the moment. And with Kucinich, it will be just a moment in time.

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By MollyJ, August 4, 2011 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

MK77, I was disappointed in Kucinich’s vote for the health care bill, too.  I took a big chunk of my respect for the guy.  But listen to this article.  He’s laying some great things out here.

He actually gives a cogent overview of how a lot of pieces fit together here and this is well worth listening to.  But really, though he is a voice in Washington, he himself is pretty marginalized.  And he is an important person BUT not more important than we, the people.  We are swiftly getting the government we deserve.

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By prisnersdilema, August 4, 2011 at 6:15 am Link to this comment

Giving up hope can be a difficult thing to do…..Like Heroin, hope can make you want to
believe in things that are unreal, because reality can seem much too painful to bear…

The many ministers of hope, keep you mainlining, the delusions, that turn you into a
neurotic mess, unable to deal with the world as it is. Those delusions have become a
cult of ideas, a cult of unfulfilled wishes always about to come true, if only you will keep

What will you do to get your fix? Even after you’ve paid those politicians, with the lives
of your children in Iraq, and Afghanistan, the home you used to own, your social
security, your Medicare, you still line up to buy. There a whole in your arm where all the
money goes…....

Hope for happiness, hope for happiness, hope for happiness and it won’t come at all.

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By Dr Bones, August 4, 2011 at 6:03 am Link to this comment
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Mr. O is doing more damage than Bush could ever dream of to social services.  America has turned into a big club economy.  The knuckle dragger with the biggest club to beat people over the head, wins.

It is not surprising that Mr. War is Peace would extend Bush tax cuts for billionaires and millionaires and then put his boot on the necks of the poor, the homeless, the unemployed, the sick, and the elderly to balance his multi-trillion dollar welfare for the rich and untaxed global corporations.

Worst President ever.

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By MK77, August 4, 2011 at 5:40 am Link to this comment

Truthdig’s “favorite Congressman” voted for a bill that would force every American to buy private health insurance. (That bill is now law and goes into effect in 2014.)

Only in America could such a man be considered left wing.

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By FRTothus, August 4, 2011 at 5:07 am Link to this comment

Kucinich for President.  It’s time to put an adult in
the White House.

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By joell, August 4, 2011 at 4:51 am Link to this comment

2011 Kucinich criticizes Obama on budget deal   and a few weeks   ago on the war in Libya.

2102….Kucinich   ENDORSES and CAMPAIGNS for Obama.

Consequently, Kucinich is as much a   part of the   problem as Obama and the Republicans.

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