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Kasia Anderson: And so this is not “Goodnight Moon.” It seems, you know, it’s very rare that we speak to people with children’s books, or books of any kind where we can’t say the actual title on the air. What’s your impression of the kind of overall tone of the book? It is all rude, is it to shock you? I’ve read some reviews on Amazon; it feels like there’s some sweetness to it too.

Johnny Temple: Yeah, the book is actually very, very tender and very sweet, and that is, I think, recognizable to 99 percent of parents. The book is, on the one hand, it’s an expression of frustration, but the subtext for the frustration is actually love and tenderness, because the book is kind of making light of how parents have to, you know, swallow their words rather than speak them. There is profanity in every page of the book, but it is of course—this is definitely a book that is not meant to be read for children. It’s a book for adults. So basically, the book is a parent’s alternate monologue of what they could be saying to their kids if they were allowed to express their frustration. … I actually think that the book upholds the sort of highest values of parenting, because the context for the book is that we swallow our frustration for the health and safety of our children. And that’s kind of what the book is about.

Kasia Anderson: Right. I guess it kind of flies in the face of this sanctified childhood ideal, or it seems to, in some people’s opinions. But you’re saying that it actually isn’t that subversive, when it comes down to it?

Johnny Temple: Not really. I mean, it’s subversive because it’s laced with profanity. And we’re very proud about the fact that there’s a group in New Zealand trying to get the book banned, and a CNN.com commentator wrote an attack piece on the book. …

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Johnny Temple: … Her attack piece drew so much negative reaction that CNN.com had to follow it up with a story about the negative reactions to their original piece.

Kasia Anderson: [Laughs] They got all meta on you there.

Johnny Temple: Exactly. And even online, on Facebook, Twitter, or on Amazon.com book review postings, whenever someone chimes in with a criticism of the book for its crudeness or its immorality, there’s a roving pack of impassioned parents always ready to defend the book. And I’m not saying that the book is beyond criticism, but we have not yet seen any smart criticism of the book. And every criticism that I’ve seen that has been made is really just silly or completely misunderstanding the book. You know, half the criticisms are people who think it’s a book meant to be read for kids. And that’s just kind of stupid, because it’s obviously not meant to be read to kids; it even says it on the back of the book, that you shouldn’t read it to kids.

Kasia Anderson: Right. No help for the humorless there. Can you read for us a little passage from the book as an exclusive for our listeners?

Johnny Temple: Sure. I will read the first two pages. “The cats nestle close to their kittens, the lambs have laid down with their sheep, you’re cozy and warm in your bed, my dear, please go the [f***] to sleep. The windows are dark in the town, child, the whales huddled down in the deep, I’ll read you one very last book if you swear you’ll go the [f***] to sleep.” There you go.

Kasia Anderson: You heard it here. And as I’ve noticed on my trips around the interwebs, there have been a couple dramatic readings from some dramatic people. Can you say a little bit about that, has that been kind of a fun thing to watch happen in popular culture?

Johnny Temple: Yeah. This is one of the few books that we’ve published where the book has really, in a very visible way, taken on a life of its own. And we knew that was happening when we found out that Samuel Jackson, the actor Samuel L. Jackson, was going to appear on the David Letterman show and read the book on the David Letterman show. And we had basically nothing to do with that. And what had happened was, we made an audio licensing deal with a wonderful company called Audible. And they recruited Samuel L. Jackson to do the audio recording of the book, and then they arranged for him to appear on the David Letterman show. And his reading—if we had been able to pick our … you know, if we had been able to say who was our top choice, or who would read the book on the audio book, it would have been Samuel Jackson. So that was just sort of manna from heaven. And then when we launched the book in New York at the New York Public Library, Paul Holdengräber, the director of programs at the New York Public Library, recruited Werner Herzog …

Kasia Anderson: Amazing, yeah.

Johnny Temple: … to do an exclusive reading of the book at that event. He didn’t appear at that event, but he had recorded his voice for the event, and it was incredibly powerful and dramatic and hilarious.

Kasia Anderson: Yeah, I could listen to him read anything. He’s really quite something. So in the lead-up—I mean, how early on, when the book was in its final stages pre-launch—when did you kind of have an inkling that this was going to be something big?

Johnny Temple: Well, the inkling came fast and furious. What had happened was the book was originally supposed to be published in October of 2011, and the author did an impromptu reading from the book at an auditorium in Philadelphia at an event he was a part of. And he was just sort of … just basically doing a practice reading of the book in front of an audience, because it was still six months before publication. And so he did this reading, and there were a couple hundred people in the audience; it was him and four or five other performers, artists and authors. And response from the audience was so solid that he had to stop between verses until the laughter subsided. And he called me up afterwards to tell me that there’s a great sign, that he did a reading and it got a great response. So we were feeling very good about the fact that without anyone knowing about the book, an audience of a couple hundred people loved his presentation. But what we didn’t realize was that people in the audience had started tweeting and making Facebook posts and telling their friends, and basically overnight the book became a worldwide sensation. Amazon.com had a pre-order page up selling the book, and that pre-order page become a sort of peg around which the enthusiasm for the book gathered. And the book shot up to the very top of the Amazon.com best-seller list six months before publication. And we started getting calls from all around the world, from people and book publishers and foreign-language book publishers. And then major American book publishers started trying to buy the book from us.

Kasia Anderson: How would that have worked? It was yours and yours at that point, right? Or could you …

Johnny Temple: We could have stopped our publication plans and just handed it over to them, and they were offering us huge amounts of money to just buy the books off our hands. But basically what happened was, because the book went viral after Adam’s reading in Philadelphia, we suddenly had to move the publication date up from October to the middle of June, just to keep up with all the excitement it had generated. So it was very early on that we had an inkling that the book was going to be successful; the book became a huge success before we were prepared, basically.

Kasia Anderson: Yeah. Well, is there any downside to that sort of instant success and the momentum that it built? I mean, were you worried about leaks to the Internet [Laughs], or sort of any kind of backlash happening?

Johnny Temple: It has been very stressful, but I don’t think there’s really any downside. The downside is that sudden success brings a whole lot of stress, but this is the kind of stress I can live with.

Kasia Anderson: Yeah, exactly. That must have been fun for you as a publisher to watch all this, you know, excitement on Amazon and elsewhere.

Johnny Temple: Oh, yeah. I mean, every day it continues. You know, every day brings new surprises, and it’s … like I said, the book has taken on a life of its own. So these things happen with it that have never happened with other books that we had before. We’ve licensed it into translation; it’s in 30 different languages.

Kasia Anderson: Wow. Any merchandizing spinoffs? Are we going to have sippy cups at McDonald’s with themed …

Johnny Temple: We have been approached from a number of different merchandising companies, but I’m not sure that we’re going to pursue anything.

Kasia Anderson: Right. Now, what about a follow-up? Can we look forward to Mansbach coming up with some more rude poems for parents?

Johnny Temple: [Laughs] Well, actually, quite the contrary. Our follow-up is that Ricardo, the illustrator, and Adam, the author, are working on a G-rated version of the book that is going to be entirely child-friendly. So it will, in fact, be a children’s book, with a slightly different title and with no profanity; it will be 100 percent child-friendly. And we’re excited, because little children know that there’s a dance that they do in the difficulties that they present to their parents in going to bed. And in fact, if you read the book, if you read a censored version of the book to children, they actually very much enjoy it because it outs them for their mischievous nighttime antics.

Kasia Anderson: Right, and it’s a little bit of candor from the parent’s point of view as well, which they also might appreciate.

Johnny Temple: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Kasia Anderson: So just to talk about it from the publishing side again, with this kind of a huge hit, does this mean good things for the other books and authors in your lineup? Does it change the game for you at Akashic?

Johnny Temple: It does perhaps change the game. I mean, it’s certainly going to be a great year in terms of our business; we’re a small company, and we are constantly, chronically struggling to break even, and to just stay in business. There’s never been any security; we don’t have any backers. I mean, it’s a wonderful thing we don’t have any backers—we don’t have anyone we have to answer to. But the flip side of that is that we’re chronically fragile, so this will hopefully stabilize us for at least a couple of years. Now, in terms of it changing the game beyond that, we’ll have to wait and see how big of a success the book is. If the book is a monstrous success, and year after year every pregnant woman gets a copy of the book at her baby shower, you know, and the sales keep going, that could really change things for us beyond just a couple of years of stability. And you know, it has been wonderful, the book has been for five weeks … it has been No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller list. So our status as a publishing company is definitely being elevated somewhat. So I do think that it helps our whole list, because it helps Akashic, and it puts us—we were already on the map in literary circles, but now people can see that we can, in fact, produce and handle a national bestseller. You know, the top selling book in the country. So, yeah, I think there’s all sorts of benefits for us and for our authors to gain. But hopefully it won’t be just a comfortable 18 months; hopefully this will help us to find a way to keep this company going in a viable, long-term way, because up until now it’s extremely draining physically and emotionally on me and my staff. And it’s amazing, I think, that we’ve kept the company going this far, but it’s always had this feeling that this can’t go on forever, because it just takes too much out of us.

Kasia Anderson: Well, I predict that this will be a classic for years to come, and it’s a—congratulations—very deserved success. And with that, we’re going to wrap up. I’ve been speaking with Johnny Temple, publisher and editor-in-chief of Akashic Books, which recently put out the hit title “Go the [F***] to Sleep.” Thanks, Johnny, I appreciate your time.

Johnny Temple: Thanks so much for having me.

Peter Scheer: That’s it for this week. Find us next Wednesday at 2 on KPFK or anytime online at Truthdig.com. Thanks to our guests Mike Farrell, Johnny Temple, Moshe Adler, Robert Scheer and Sam Brower. Thanks also to our board op Jee, engineer Stan Misraje and Alan Minsky. For Kasia Anderson and the Scheer brothers, thanks for listening.


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By Night-Gaunt, August 23, 2011 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

Can you give examples where each one came to the same end? I’d be very interested Lew Ciefer to see it.

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This is a must see video… you have you prepare yourself and your loved ones before it’s too late.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 20, 2011 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, July 19 at 8:43 pm
I would like you to expand on this glib statement. Since on the face of it you are wrong. And the power elite aren’t all of them, mostly none of them.

How do you know who the Power Elite are? The Power Elite is not just people. It is people AND the institutions—in a state of flux—through which they function. Then there’s the henchmen class; where do we classify them? Are they part of the Power Elite or tools utilized by the Power Elite?

All of the different ideologies are no different in how they eventually end. They are all nothing more than different paths toward higher degrees of tyranny and monopolized privilege. They start off very differently and that’s why we see collectivist systems collapsing after only a generation or two and capitalist systems lasting much longer. They all—eventually—end with a more highly concentrated Power Elite as the system increases in monopolization of wealth, resources, and means of production and diminished hope and innovation.

The common weak link with all of the different human designed political/economic systems and ideologies is the Homo sapiens. The imperfections of all systems are why humans are constantly trying to design a better mouse trap. Imperfect beings—Humans—refuse to accept the fact that humans prevent any system from being perfect and the result is always massive amounts of deaths and suffering.

If this universe is designed, as many believe, there’s no wonder why the so-called Intelligent Designer is and has been A.W.O.L. for billions of earth years. It also means that we have to redefine ‘intelligent.’

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By Lew Ciefer, July 20, 2011 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment

@ culheath, July 20 at 1:36 am
...as though capitalism or markets are not a religion as well?
secondly i doubt that the elites are as impenetrable as you suppose. there wouldn’t be such visible turmoil if they were actually as smart and effective as you paint it.
people don’t rebel against strong masters, they rebel against weak ones.

> You fail to realize that it’s not the economic system/theory that one worships as a god. It is the State. The majority of the population in a libertarian political system with some form of a capitalist economic system does not—generally—hold to the ideology that the State is the great equalizer and guarantor of equality of outcome.

> The ‘visible turmoil’ is theatre. The Power Elite is always in a state of flux. It’s never the same people. It’s the same type of people. The institutions morph/evolve, old ones are sometimes discarded and new ones developed .The Power Elite fight amongst themselves because they are apes too. But while they fight amongst themselves for increased power and wealth they also know what is good for them. And what’s good for them is rarely good for us. The Power Elite is NOT just apes; it’s apes AND institutions. To prevail over the Power Elite one has to destroy the apes AND the institutions through which they maintain privilege and exercise power.

Consider the current ‘debt ceiling turmoil’ for the past few months. It’s all theatre. There’s never been any doubt that the ceiling would be raised. Only fools fall for the scaremongering propaganda. It’s been raised 78 times since 1962! The ‘battle’ or ‘visible turmoil’ is a façade concealing what is really going on ... the plan by The Party to raise the extortion rate on workers’ wages for the benefit of the Power Elite, functionaries—Boobus Americanus—in government, and the dependent class which cannot survive without governmental extortion of its neighbors.

> Most people don’t rebel until their stomacha are growling from hunger and there is no other option left to them. Even then most will simply lie down and die. What human beings seek above all else is security from precipitous and violent death and some guarantee—however hollow—that they’ll have adequate shelter, food, clothing, and education for their offspring. That’s why history shows apes always evolving to societies of higher complexities. The 20th century showed us that a very large number of human beings are more than willing to surrender personal liberties in exchange for some form of collectivist system that promises them security. In this they are like believers in Jesus’ return on a white horse or those that believe Mohammed flew a horse to a meeting with an angel. They believe in mythology, because the 20th century also shows us that collectivism kills people and increases human misery on an even greater scale than traditional theocracies.

If you doubt what I say, get off your arse and hit the streets calling for revolution. Don’t forget to send your prison address so that we can send you a care package once in a while.

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By culheath, July 20, 2011 at 1:36 am Link to this comment

@Lew C

...as though capitalism or markets are not a religion as well?

secondly i doubt that the elites are as impenetrable as you suppose. there wouldn’t be such visible turmoil if they were actually as smart and effective as you paint it.

people don’t rebel against strong masters, they rebel against weak ones.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 19, 2011 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment

iIt matters not—in the long run—whether the ideology is considered and/or believed to be conservative, communist, socialist, libertarian, left, progressive, etc. They’re basically all the same. </i>

I would like you to expand on this glib statement. Since on the face of it you are wrong. And the power elite aren’t all of them, mostly none of them.

However I do agree with your last paragraph.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 19, 2011 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment

@ Night-Guant3

The problem was your use of a term that is employed by the so-called American Left to label the so-called American Right—Reich wing—and the awkward sentence from the other thread and here once again. There is no Left. The Left in the U.S. is primarily the Democrats. The Democrat Party was long-ago taken over by the Socialists. All ideologies come down to nothing more than an elite ruling over the masses with different degrees of liberty afforded to them. It matters not—in the long run—whether the ideology is considered and/or believed to be conservative, communist, socialist, libertarian, left, progressive, etc. They’re basically all the same. They are nothing but different paths to totalitarian rule of the masses by privileged, super-wealthy, and powerful Elites. 


We’ve much more in common than it first appeared. I hope—for your personal well-being—that you aren’t one of the delusional who believe that successful revolution against the Power Elite is possible. It isn’t. The technology at their disposal is insurmountable at this time without a major revolt of some kind in the armed forces.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 18, 2011 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

You still don’t get that I’m not playing partisan sides. They are both involved in this because of the crypto-fascists that are in both of them, and the Libertarians too and maybe others. So it takes both to screw the pooch, and they have done it. This isn’t politics as usual. No very different these days. The few who are against it are that, a few. The ones who still resist the power of corporations and their owners. It is very bad and we are sliding that much faster to an authoritarian state with theocratic nuances. And your remedy of “let the Liberals join” the military is ignorant of just who is running the military or how deep the rot is. How both parties are part of it.

There is no fear from the Left hurting our Republic, their power has been waning for some time. The rise of the Second Guilded Age is upon us. If we don’t stop it many will die here, like myself, as they destroy the safety net. Who needs to waste money on death camps when the targeted people can’t get food or medicine or medical care and die at home? Send in a for profit coroner’s service to take their corpses away and have no liability for any hospital and its done.

It’s happening but quietly.  So unless you dig for it, spend time away from friends and family to track it down and read it, it will remain little known.

http://www.talk2action.com is a good place to find out just how much of this is wide spread. Not just in this country but in others as well like Uganda. Read up on it sometime.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 18, 2011 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

@ Night-Gaunt, July 15 at 3:26 pm

So Reagan, George H.W. Bush & G.W.Bush don’t count for anything?

I didn’t say that.

Look at the data. Two of the three aforementioned had to deal with Democrat Houses throughout their terms and half of the twelve years with Democrat Senates. During Dubya’s first term the Senate, from 2001-2003, while officially Republican was a 50/50 Senate.

So who’s been screwing the pooch?

I don’t know how you defend this. If you want us to believe that the Democrats are so inept, and incompetent that even with all the advantage that they have enjoyed the Republicans were able to bend them over like little girlie men and win the day ... that’s okay with me. I have to ask though; why do you keep voting such obviously incompetent and inept fools back into office?

Take a quick read of comments, especially those to do with taxes, corporations, and finances. The threads are filled with Demmies complaining about corporations—especially TNCs—and the rich not paying their fair share. Well, the Mocha Crusader enjoyed a two-year span with a Demmie majority in both the House and the Senate. Name me a single piece of legislation from the Demmies closing tax loopholes on corporations. Why didn’t the Demmies, led by their Mocha Savior, legislate some of that ‘Hope and Change’ while they enjoyed legislative authority?

Consider for a minute the Botox queen. From 2009 to present her worth has increased from, reportedly, $21.7 million to $43.4 million, minus $8+ million in liabilities; she accomplished this during record high unemployment and recession with the Mocha Savior driving the bus off the cliff. Even the Sobbing Orangeman is reported to be worth only about two million. I had no idea struggling for liberal causes du jour paid so well. How do commies/socialists/lefties accumulate such fortunes without being part and parcel of all that predator capitalism they love to say they hate? And why do they hang on to those fortunes rather than ‘share’ it with the ‘people’? Hypocrisy?

The belly-aching about the supposed Christian takeover of the military is easily resolved by Lefties joining the military. But they won’t do it. In typical fundamentalist fashion they are on their knees, in humble supplication to their god—The State—begging that it legislate the problem away. What do you people want? Should the government forbid Christians from serving? Perhaps you want a ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell if you’re Christian’ law?

The military has a position known as ‘Chaplain’ and Chaplains are paid by the State. The State also provides Chaplains for prisons and in Congress there’s some guy who acts on behalf of religious faith who pretends that those demons in government pray to a god other than their corporate masters. 

Perfect separation of Church and State is impossible to achieve. I like the idea because it would be one method of ridding the State of commies and socialists, the most fanatical and dangerous believers in myth on the planet. Their gods, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc., are responsible for an estimated 110 million deaths and immeasurable human suffering in about a 75 years span during the 20th century. Other religions required centuries to match that.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 18, 2011 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

@  RayLan, July 16 at 4:44 am Link to this comment
No kidding. I didn’t say he was. The ‘church’ as a unified structure with an orthodox body of beliefs didn’t really exist until Constantine mandated ‘Christianity’ as a state religion.
What followed could be considered the furthest thing from what its Founder had intended - a Roman hierarchy.
So the ‘true’ Christians as disciples of Christ who knew his teachings and were moved by the Spirit to preach His message died out rather soon to be replaced by members of an imperial hierarchy, which has done nothing but try to control the world through political means ever since.

You don’t know who the ‘founder’ of Christianity was and with 25-37 thousand different sects, denominations, and cults there is no single ‘true’ Christinity. The Jesus of the New Testament didn’t exist. You may ask how I know that, well, because virgins don’t have babies and men don’t rise from the dead after a day and a half counted as 3 days. Might there have been a religious fanatic running around Judah around BCE 96 to 4CE? Certainly! Might one of the many religious fanatics running around Judah at the turn of the first century been the source of the biblical Jesus myth. It certainly is possible as well as probable.

The separation of Church and State is a great idea. I agree wholeheartedly with it. But, like all human designed systems and institutions it’s flawed. You cannot have a total separation of the Church from the State because of humans. Believers are society and like it or not they are going to strive for a society that fits within their belief structure. We don’t want to forget the the Boobus Americanus in government who take advantage of those belief systems in order to hold on to their power and privilege. It’s no different with commies and socialists; they strive for a society based on their belief system also—and their belief system is every bit as mythological and based on prophecies as all the rest. The main difference between the commies/socialists and the Christians is their gods. For the Christians, their god is some complicated imaginary trinity. For the commies/socialists their god is the State. They both want the same thing; to rule and tell other people how they should live their lives.

It’s the way of the Ape and it’s been like that since Ape ancestors crawled out of the primordial slime. Either dominate or be dominated.

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By christian96, July 17, 2011 at 4:44 am Link to this comment

A Christian is an individual who tries to follow the
teachings of Jesus(Yeshua in Hebrew) Christ(the
anointed one.) Because they live in human bodies
Christians are going to make mistakes.  When they
do they ask Jesus for forgiveness and get back on
the Christian track with their lives.

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By RayLan, July 16, 2011 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment

@christian96
A better question is ‘What is a Christian?”

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By Night-Gaunt, July 16, 2011 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

Just like any other extremist believes not only that they are right and all others not like them are wrong. They must enforce their point-of-view as the law of the land. That includes killing or incarcerating those they deem dangerous and apostate to them. Religious or secular force is the primary means of making their demands met by all others.

What is your version Christian96?

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By christian96, July 16, 2011 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

What is a Christian extremist?

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By RayLan, July 16, 2011 at 4:44 am Link to this comment

@Lew Ciefer
“Jesus wasn’t a Christian”
No kidding. I didn’t say he was. The ‘church’ as a unified structure with an orthodox body of beliefs didn’t really exist until Constantine mandated ‘Christianity’ as a state religion.
What followed could be considered the furthest thing from what its Founder had intended - a Roman hierarchy.
So the ‘true’ Christians as disciples of Christ who knew his teachings and were moved by the Spirit to preach His message died out rather soon to be replaced by members of an imperial hierarchy, which has done nothing but try to control the world through political means ever since.

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By culheath, July 16, 2011 at 1:47 am Link to this comment

It’s astonishing that at this late date so many people in this country cannot fathom that their religious convictions have no bearing on nor authority over the decision making process of fellow citizens who are guided by their own lights.

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By culheath, July 16, 2011 at 1:46 am Link to this comment

Lew,
Find some lithium.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 15, 2011 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

So Reagan, George H.W. Bush & G.W.Bush don’t count for anything?

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By Lew Ciefer, July 15, 2011 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

@ RayLan, July 15 at 2:21 am
The last true Christian probably died in the first century.

Jesus wasn’t a Christian. He was a Jew living under the Pharisaic Law. Christ is English for the Greek ‘Khristos’ which means ‘anointed.’  He was believed to be the ‘anointed one’ that Jews were/are waiting for. A Christian would be a follower of Christ or the Anointed one.

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.  For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.”—Matthew 10: 34, 35

“And He said to them, When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.” And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘AND HE WAS NUMBERED WITH TRANSGRESSORS’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment. They said, “Lord, look, here are two (40) swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough” -Luke 22:35.38

The ‘Anointed’ clearly states that he did not come to bring peace to the world but rather turmoil and division. The ‘sword’, in Matthew, is metaphor for division and strife. Jesus and/or belief in him—Christianity—is that ‘sword’ of division. Looks like he was right judging by the fear-mongering on the two threads about Christians taking over the military, huh?

In Luke he clearly orders his followers to arm themselves because they are now going to have to fend for themselves without his presence on earth. Do you understand that he not only ordered them to arm themselves but he left with at least two armed companions in his presence.

There is NO prohibition for Christians to be warriors or to go to war. Paul takes it up a notch when he talks about Christians’ real battle being not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities in high places. He speaks of demonic powers that blind men to the truth of Jesus and control human governments… all those democrats and republicans are under demonic control. I can’t argue with that because I know who the demons are that control them.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 15, 2011 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

@ Inherit The Wind, July 15 at 5:02 am Link to this comment

Truthdig had a large article on the taking of the Air Force Academy back in 2008.  It was my hope that the election of Obama and the 60 seat Senate majority as well as a dominant Democratic House would make it a no-brainer that the AFA would be cleaned up and the fundies rooted out of there, along with that crazy AF general who said we were fighting Jesus’ war.

But no.  In yet another betrayal of their voters, the Democrats did NOTHING, as usual.


Why don’t you Democrats / Lefties / Progressives / Marxists / Leninists / Trokskyists / Maoists / Pol Potists / Ho Chi Minhists / HilliaryClintonistas / Che Guevaristas / Chavistas / Alinskinistas /Huffingtonistas / NYTimistas / Peloseristas / Reidistas / Mochaistas, etc. enlist in the Air Force, the Army, the Navy, and the Marines and take back the Academies?

You can all meet at your ‘Headquarters of World Revolutionaries for Peace and Equality’ and recruiters—knowing they’re going to get signatures on the dotted line—will drive down to Starbuck’s, order Iced chocolate carob carrot coffee crapsalottas—caffeine free @ $6.95—and gladly show all you brave souls where to sign. And voilà! The majority in the U.S. military will be right-thinking Lefties who’ll take control of the Academies and the General Staff.

Consider this:

“In yet another betrayal of their voters, the Democrats did NOTHING, as usual.”-ITW

with this:

“Meanwhile, Republicans in Congress have been mostly incapable of doing anything beyond providing weak opposition to the Democrats’ bad ideas. Rarely do Republicans demonstrate the courage and integrity necessary to return the nation to prosperity and common sense.” - Charles Gross

The facts:

From 1933 to January 2011, DEMOCRATS have been the Congressional big dogs. They’ve had the majority in the House for 62 years; 40 of them consecutively from 1955-1995. In the Senate they have had the majority for 56 years of those 78.  In that same 78 year period the Democrats had control of the House, the Senate, and the Executive for 14 consecutive years, 1933-1947, for 4 consecutive years, 1949-1943, for 8 consecutive years, 1961-1969, for 4 consecutive years, 1977-1981, for 2 consecutive years, 1993-1995, and for 2 years with the current Mocha Apollyon, 2009-2011.

In contrast the Republicans have…

Controlled the House, the Senate, and the Executive for 2 consecutive years, 1953-1955, and for 4 consecutive years, 2001-2007.

Conclusions:

For 34 of 78 years the DEMOCRATS have had legislative control while the Republicans, in contrast, have had legislative control of the government a meager 6 years of 78.

I’m no fan of Republicans but it’s obvious just who it is that’s been screwing the pooch.


The solution to the Christian take over of the armed forces:

In the navy
Yes, you can sail the seven seas
In the navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the navy
Come on now, people, make a stand
In the navy, in the navy

Lah, lah, lah… Tip toe…

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By James M. Martin, July 15, 2011 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

The saying, “there are no atheists in foxholes,” is a lie.  In their proselytic zeal, Christians show a willingness to stoop to any fib to foist Jesus off on anyone willing to listen.  They do it outside abortion clinics, they do it at gay pride events, and they do it in military barracks.  They even proselytize with the dead: witness their cynical, fraudulent attempts to put causa mortis words into the mouths of Einstein and even Darwin (the latter while the proselytes are simultaneously claiming fossils were only an example of God “fooling the evolutionists”).  Remember, when the lies did not work during the witch pogroms (against women who helped abort unwanted babies), they went auto da fe and used fagots (yes, one “g”) for kindling.  In other words, the same crimes they are laying at the feet of evangelical Muslims in general and Wahhabists in particular, Christians and especially evangelicals themselves prove guilty. 

It’s our way or the highway.  Our God is the only God and he wrote or dictated every line in the Bible/Koran. But both religions cherry pick their dogma and most Christians don’t even practice the basic tenets of the faith proposed by their own prophet.  How can you deny women and LGBT people basic rights or rights not equal to the “average” heterosexual male and claim that you are compassionate?  Why are we ignoring diurnal reality in favor of things that existed on the ground circa 5,000 B.C.E. (O.T.) and circa 800 C.E. (Koran)?  Those people didn’t even have printing presses for God’s sake! 

(Ooops. Naw, I don’t believe in god, but I have a nostalgia for him.)

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By jr., July 15, 2011 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

Let u.s. remember, the christian church has had a place reserved for it within the military bunkers of america, just in case of national emergency, for at least the past thirty years; i know, i’ve been in a few.  The church validates that with the excuse, well, the military, also, has followers who need a place of worship.  That be security the average citizen doesn’t have.

Let u.s. also remember, the words of the pledge of allegiance, and why it’s called a pledge of allegiance, “one nation, under god, (and this is the key word): indivisible”.  Liberty and justice are tooo subjective to even comment on.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 15, 2011 at 5:02 am Link to this comment

Truthdig had a large article on the taking of the Air Force Academy back in 2008.  It was my hope that the election of Obama and the 60 seat Senate majority as well as a dominant Democratic House would make it a no-brainer that the AFA would be cleaned up and the fundies rooted out of there, along with that crazy AF general who said we were fighting Jesus’ war.

But no.  In yet another betrayal of their voters, the Democrats did NOTHING, as usual.

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By RayLan, July 15, 2011 at 2:21 am Link to this comment

The last true Christian probably died in the first century.

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By Dave24, July 14, 2011 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment
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Enjoy, everyone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

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By gerard, July 14, 2011 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

Patrick Henry might well have pointed out that the roots of this Christian militarism were planted and grew to be humongous a thousand years ago during the century of the Crusades.  It was the same theme of “dominionism” that seized the Popes in Rome by the throat and sent “signs in the sky” (Constantine” appeared to hordes of ignorant peasants into many insane expeditions into “the Holy Land” to “reclaim the Holy City” from the “infidels.” 

The “infidels” (various nomadic and highly civilized kingdoms and tribes throughout the Middle East) were attacked and resisted, and tens of thousands of “knights” and “warriors” on both sides died horrible deaths—all either “fighting for Christ” or “defending Islam and their homeland.”

That horrid period was the fertilizer for the present holocausts, and it should not be surprising to see the ancient propaganda reasserting itself—again using religion as the impetus for mass murder.
“When will we ever learn?  When will we ever learn?”

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By PatrickHenry, July 14, 2011 at 4:08 pm Link to this comment

Now there’s an old theme. Brainwashing at its finest.

‘Onward Christian soldiers’.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 14, 2011 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

Yes part of the conspiracy by the billionaires an religious fundies (several types) who want this country to become a Capitalist paradise and militant Dominionists who want a Holy American Empire. They moved to take over all the “7 Pillars (Mountains)” of society. And the military is one such pillar. A small number but very powerful and dedicated and funded. They failed in 1934 (but not punished) so they took a different strategy to win this time. They are so good with their security that we don’t known the ones behind this.

The main difference in theology between the standard Christian, Post-Millenial (for those who await the “rapture.”) and the Dominionists are Pre-Millenial. For them god will return only when they have conquered the earth—-literally. The entire earth population must not only to have “heard the word” they must be converted to their specific Crusader/Inquision kind. Also slavery and mercy killing (you won’t convert but they will save your soul.)

Ironically “zelots” originally were secular kind of revolutionaries. Not specifically religious motivated but nationalists. Like the “thieves” crucified with Jesus.

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By konnie, July 14, 2011 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

boy are you a day late and a dollar short.  the air force academy was taken over 20 years ago.  their leadership makes it quite clear and impossible to not be an evangelical christian and graduate.  check the
records…........#1 on WHO gets the congresspersons recommendation to go there in the first place, and how many plebs are bounced out of there in the name
of “doesn’t play well with others”.  this should be
a huge scandal but nary a peep…...........

i can only assume the other academies are run in a
similar fashion. 

when are the rest of us going to take back our
country from these religeous zealots!  isn’t it
like against the constitution or something?

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By TDoff, July 14, 2011 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

SarcastiCanuck, if religious people were rational, they’d know that ‘god’, his/her/it’s ownself, was Satan’s ultimate deception…

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By SarcastiCanuck, July 14, 2011 at 5:21 am Link to this comment
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There is nothing more dangerous than a man who thinks he is fighting for his God.Just look at an Islamic suicide bomber and all of the atrocities committed in history in the name of God.
For you religous people,do you think that killing your fellow man in the name of God just might be Satan’s ultimate deception…

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