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Bill Moyers: ‘We’re Almost Out of Time’

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Posted on May 18, 2011
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Peter Scheer: Do you think we have a bias of the present? I mean, you’re talking about this broad swath of history, and you were in the White House during the civil rights movement, the great achievements of that era. And now we live in a situation where, you know, we often say well, things have been much worse; and yet at the same time we have more people in prison now in the United States than any other country in the world, and many of them people of color. Are we better off, are we worse off? And do you think we’re in—we’re always moving from crisis to crisis, whether it’s nuclear weapons or global warming, or—are things really moving in the wrong direction, the right direction, are we somewhere in between?

Bill Moyers: Well, in some respect, there are great advances. I mean, with gay people and women and African-Americans. Even in this regard: Look at what’s happened here in New York with the alleged, with the arrest of the head of the IMF, a rich powerful white man who allegedly tried to take advantage of a poor working immigrant from Africa who was coming in to clean his room. If there’s ever a metaphor for how the rich and upper class regard their servants, you’ve got it right there. But now, she can file a suit, has filed a suit; and he’s been arrested, he’s being held. Once upon a time, where I grew up in the South—once upon a time anywhere in this country—a servant, household help would, if they made a charge against a rich powerful white man like this, it would, nothing would happen. So in that metaphorical sense, and in a real sense, there have been some changes. But in terms of the distribution of wealth, in terms of equality of opportunity, in terms of a decent wage, living wage, in many respects we are losing ground rapidly. I just saw a piece about some new jobs being created out in the Midwest with the return of some manufacturing functions, but they’re jobs paying a third of what the old jobs that were shipped abroad are paying. So, you know, I think comparisons are somewhat misplaced. Going back to Robert’s original point, from the very beginning this has been a tempestuous journey. As I say in the opening of the foreword to my new book, when de Tocqueville got off of the boat coming for his celebrated visit in New York in the 1830s, he was greeted by what he called a “mighty tumult.” And that’s what democracy is. But there have been periods in our history when organized people—that is, operating through their government—have been able to check and balance the power of organized money. At the moment, organized money is winning. And with serious consequences for working men and women and for the poor.

Peter Scheer: This is Truthdig Radio and we’re speaking with Bill Moyers.

Robert Scheer: Let me ask you a question—you know, you came from the South and I came from the Bronx [Laughs], and we had the conceit that we needed national politics to straighten you people out, you know; civil rights, and so forth. And I increasingly feel that this preoccupation with the federal government has been a mistake, that maybe there’s something to states’ rights. We’re broadcasting from California, where actually we ran against the national trend in our election; where there seems to have been a rejection of kind of the tea party populism; there’s a recognition that government is needed. And increasingly, I wonder whether the federal government is really the indispensable agent of liberal change.

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Bill Moyers: It certainly isn’t right now; it could be, and its tax policies and … look, what’s the one thing the federal government has done well in the last 15 years? Get bin Laden. But it took 10 years, $2 trillion, two wars, and a lot of lives before we did. That’s about the only thing you can claim that the federal government has got right in the last 12 or 15 years. It has fallen into a relationship with corporate money that has rendered it largely inoperative when it comes to the real lives of ordinary people. But you know, Robert, there was no states’ rights before the Civil War; there were no states before the Civil War, as such. It was only when Lincoln organized the federal government to defend the Union that we got a federal government that was actually doing things for people, like … homeland, railroads, all of that. The federal government’s not working right now. And out of 2008 came an actually interesting contradiction of forces. A lot of people emerged from that saying, the market has failed us; and then with the bailouts and all of that, a lot of other people emerged and said, we ought to go back to the traditional state. So if you don’t want the markets to govern your lives, and you don’t believe that the traditional state can, you’ve got to go local. And to me, that is where there is hope right now for some change. I mean, you’ve got some conservative change; look at South Carolina, look at Mississippi, look at places like that; you’re going to get some progressive change elsewhere.

Robert Scheer: You know, it’s a point of focus, I think. Because I covered—I was working for the Los Angeles Times as a reporter—and I covered the deregulation under Bill Clinton. And it just was so obvious to me that there was no consumer presence, no popular voice; that the banks were going to rewrite these laws and reverse the New Deal, in just the way they wanted, and get what they wanted. And so—and in the process, we took away the power from the states to regulate usury, to protect consumers, to govern the banks. There had been, I think, 23 states that had, in their constitution, restrictions on interest rates and, you know, serious rules about the banks. And I wonder whether as a sort of liberal standard now we should be saying, hey, the federal government—we can agree with the right wing, some of the principal libertarians—the federal government is out of control. We really can’t control it; the powerful interests do. And that’s the sense in which I bring up states’ rights; that maybe the battlefield is to—as some of these state attorney generals, now the attorney general of New York, who is going after Wall Street—maybe these are the people who … this is the battlefield.

Bill Moyers: Well, many of the states’ attorneys general are one hope. They—27, 30 of them have organized on various issues to protect the consumer, consumer rights. It all depends on what—anywhere you have representative government, the powers-that-be are going to try to take over, buy out, buy off that government. If you go to Texas, my home state, of course it’s the business interests that run the state of Texas now, with [Rick] Perry, who was George Bush’s successor. You really can’t get anything done if you’re a consumer advocate, an advocate of the poor in Texas, because it’s run by the landed and vested interests in that state. So without a populist, progressive citizens’ muscle of some form or another, if you go to only the states’ rights, you’re going to get a lot of oppressive reaction in the government.

Peter Scheer: You’ve been an ardent defender of the press, or of good press, for many, many years. And making that connection with the decline of our—of how desperate our situation is with respect to our democracy, we’re in the middle of a fund drive here at KPFK, and I wonder … you know, I find that as an editor at Truthdig, whenever we post stories about the decline of the media, it’s like—people just don’t care. They never click on them, they sort of ignore them. And there’s a small sort of intellectual group that has active discussions about it, but by and large, it’s just frustrating to … I guess I’m asking, can you make the case for people, why they should care about the decline of media, and make that connection with our situation.

Bill Moyers: Well, I think it’s one of the oldest arguments in our democracy. That, you know, for all of his flaws, I think Thomas Jefferson was right when he said that an informed public is to be preferred to an uninformed public. And I think that is generally the case now. There’s an interesting study out from the University of Michigan about how people don’t want to listen to the facts. Even if they know a fact is authentic, if they know it’s true, but if it offends their—or insults or undermines their belief system, they don’t want to, they don’t accept it; they reject it. That’s one reason, the explanation for the solid support the right-wing and conservative media have. Unless there’s an alternative to Fox News, to Rush Limbaugh—unless there are guys like you, Thom Hartmann and Amy Goodman out there, continuing to press the evidence to the contrary, continuing to do forensic journalism, deeply researched journalism—really we’re going to live in that smog of propaganda, sentimentality and frankly, pornography, which has—political pornography has transformed our discourse into an ugly and grotesque version of what should be a good conversation of democracy. So the artists may be small, the artists may be underfunded; without these alternative voices, we are left to the mercy of the state and to the big, powerful corporations that control much of the media now. I mean, if you’re listening to this broadcast or going to Truthdig, imagine what happens if this channel goes silent and Truthdig disappears. What is your life like? Where do you go to compare what you’re hearing here, and reading on Truthdig, to what you’re getting from talk radio—85% of whose hosts are right wing—or from Fox News, where large numbers of people get their news? So without these independent voices, without the Tom Paines, without the William Allen Whites, without the Iconoclast—which was an independent newspaper in Texas many years ago—without these, we’re beholden to the propagandists.

Robert Scheer: You know, I’d like to—this is Bob Scheer—I’d like to end on a more positive note [Laughs] than my son Peter seemed to be going. You know, we’ve been doing this a long time; you’ve been doing it a lot more effectively than I have. But still, you know, it’s great—it’s great to rebel; it’s great to challenge. It’s great to seek the truth. And as I look around, I think we have—there’s one saving grace to this society, which has sort of manifested in the Internet. You know, yeah, there’s a lot of noise; there are special interests. But the basic values of the country remain surprisingly noble. And I think people really want to do the right thing at the end of the day. And I think that’s why we keep doing what we’re doing. We do find an audience. You have found an incredible audience. You, through public radio and everything else you’ve done, you’ve been able to reach tens of millions of Americans. And we see it now with someone like Chris Hedges that we publish on Truthdig, who brings up sort of a prophetic voice—there is an audience, and it does cut through the clutter. So do you have a …

Bill Moyers: Well, I have to say that—you’re kind in those remarks, but I have to say that people like me depend on people like you. I’m serious, Bob. Your columns cut through the fog, as I call it; they are courageous; they’re bold; they’re grounded in evidence. And I live off of them, and so do a lot of other people I know. When you recently published that—after the killing of bin Laden, you published that quick piece by Chris Hedges, it went viral. I know; I was getting it sent, hundreds of people were sending it to me. I’m just supporting what you say by saying it’s not one, it’s not two; it’s all of us trying to create a domino effect of alternative journalism. And I wouldn’t trade my life for anything. People used to say, why don’t you go into politics; and I’d say, are you kidding? The life of the journalist, for all of its frustrations, is a deeply rewarding one. And I think if we can figure out how to make a living at it, what you’re doing is the future for the next generation coming along. Young journalists come to me and say, what should I do? Should I go into television, should I go into newspapers? Television seems so trivial; newspapers seem so endangered. And I say, look, if you’ve got a fire in your belly, you’ll find a place; you’ll find a venue. And go to the Internet and look at the places like Truthdig and Amy Goodman and Josh Marshall, at TalkingPointsMemo.com. There are a lot of places where you can still signify as a journalist today, and we need every one of them and more.

Peter Scheer: What a great note to end on. Bill Moyers, thanks so much for making time for us.

Robert Scheer: Thank you.

Bill Moyers: My pleasure. Thanks to both of you.

Peter Scheer: Take care.

Bill Moyers: Goodbye.

Peter Scheer: “Bill Moyers Journal: The Conversation Continues” is his latest book. That was Bill Moyers, the legend.

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Peter Scheer:… That’s it for this week’s episode of Truthdig Radio. Thanks for listening.

 


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By MarthaA, May 21, 2011 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment

Eaglemount, May 21 at 9:11 am,

Thanks for that link to sign for a Constitutional amendment to pay for
elections and get rid of Corporate Mammon in the election process,
that I signed.

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By Eaglemount, May 21, 2011 at 9:11 am Link to this comment
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It’s all well and good to comment about an issue that needs the attention of citizens.  It’s even more important to ACTUALLY DO something significant that will allow necessary changes to be made to improve our country.

Here is a link that will interest many of you.
http://signon.org/sign/public-funding-of-elected

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By bogi666, May 21, 2011 at 6:22 am Link to this comment
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doublestandard, it’s mindlessness that USAn’s have been instilled with. The inability, not knowing, stupidity[a chosen state]and/or too lazy to discern and realize thoughts from facts. Mindlessness is institutionalized,recited by the MSM. It originates from government, business and pretend christians which gives it legitimacy.Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky, by instilling mindlessness of the USAn’s has been in affect for 90 years, when it was 1st articulated by Walter Lippmann as a means to manipulate the population to be controlled and ruled by an elitist group.

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By MarthaA, May 20, 2011 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment

A dismantling is what needs to be done of the corporate construct
that has been taken awry through unregulated Conservative and
Right-Wing Republican greed and it can only
be done by the 70% majority common population as a class and
culture who are not currently being represented in the making and
enforcing of legislated law and order in the United States at all.  It is
time for the majority common population as a class and culture stand
up and be recognized as the class and culture they are, 70% of the
population, the majority population of the United States, the
American Populace Class and Culture.

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By Daniel, May 20, 2011 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment
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@Billee:
I am 27 right now and agree with most of what you said.
I think part of it is, with me and everyone younger
than me, ever since we’ve been politically aware, GWB
was president.  So it was hard to see the flaws in the
system, because everything terrible that happened it
was easy to say “Oh it’s Bush’s fault, and he’s
ridiculous.” But now that Obama is president I think
it’s easier to see the systemic nature of corporate
control.  Hopefully people will start to wake up.  But
I share your worry also.

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By mary m morgan, May 20, 2011 at 6:27 pm Link to this comment
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I have listened to May 18th Truth Dig Radio
Am appalled to hear another “Great American Hero” a la Mortenson “saving” what’s left of Iraqi children’s bodies, one at a time, and suggesting that this saviorhood be taken up by other Americans rich enough to fund it.
  How is it possible for Americans to pay for and execute the killing, slaughter and maiming of thousands of children in other lands and then get the opportunity to “feel good” by donating a few bucks to some one-child-at-a time medical miracle?
  I’m very disappointed in TruTh Dig!! I wish all of you, especially Bob would read Madeleine Bunting’s Guardian piece “Exposed Literary Fraud Reveals Lengths Americans Take to Deceive Themselves to Justify War and Intervention”. Band aids will not cure the wounds caused by robot aggression.  We don’t deserve to “feel good” by writing a token check.  “I weep for my country” and also Truth Dig.  Mary M. Morgan

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By ElkoJohn, May 20, 2011 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

I have to agree with RS.
The Federal government is owned and operated by the big corporations.
As such, it is becoming more and more an enemy of the people.
So if we dismantle this behemoth in favor of states rights, perhaps
we and the rest of the world would be better off without the empire of
perpetual war and profits at any cost.

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By John Steinsvold, May 20, 2011 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

An Alternative to Capitalism (which we need here in the USA and pretty quick according to Bill)

Several decades ago, Margaret Thatcher claimed: “There is no alternative”. She was referring to capitalism. Today, this negative attitude still persists.

I would like to offer an alternative to capitalism for the American people to consider. Please click on the following link. It will take you to an essay titled: “Home of the Brave?” which was published by the Athenaeum Library of Philosophy:

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/steinsvold.htm

John Steinsvold

Perhaps in time the so-called dark ages will be thought of as including our own.
—Georg C. Lichtenberg

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By Egomet Bonmot, May 19, 2011 at 11:32 pm Link to this comment

I mean Jesus, I look at the same long LONG career of self-canonizing that you do, knit eyebrows and Joseph Campbell and all, and ask myself why the man has never, ever, owned up to his part in LBJ’s dirty tricks department.  It always comes out in dribs and drabs from outside, a Morley Safer interview or an FOIA request, never from Moyers himself.  G. Gordon Liddy owned his history with Nixon and didn’t try to set himself up as a saint.  With Moyers the hypocrisy is rank.

The truth is that Arnold Schwarzenegger has been more forthcoming about his indiscretions in a single week than Moyers has been over his whole career.  At the very least, he owes PBS subscribers a one-hour special entitled “Bad Stuff I Did.”

He’d bring the house down.

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By Gail, May 19, 2011 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment
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Thank you for having Nomi Prins discuss the IMF and Bill Moyers talk about democracy.

Of most concern are the neoliberal free trade agreements that are destroying democracy and contain much more than trade that allows big business and mega-banks to dictate numerous areas of policies to leaders around the world that destroys democracies.

Please consider having Public Citizen’s Global Trade Director Lori Wallach on your radio show. There are three free trade agreements coming before Congress very soon: South Korea, Colombia and Panama. Additionally, the Trans Pacific Partnership is also a free trade agreement coming up in November 2011.

These free trade agreements are part of the financial/economic meltdown that gets little media coverage.  Additionally, these free trade agreements are part of destroying the wealth of nations and their democracies.

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By Egomet Bonmot, May 19, 2011 at 11:06 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Virginia but I’ll keep things heavy for now if it’s all the same to you…

How about this for a compromise:  Everyone get a look at Moyer’s cabinet memo to LBJ (recently made public under FOIA request) outlining Moyers’ plans to investigate and root out suspected administration homosexuals, as well as prominent homosexuals in public life, Hollywood et al.  Let the man speak for himself.  Deal?

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By Night-Gaunt, May 19, 2011 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

Even after all these years of fine work some people just won’t let someone’s past go.

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By Virginia777, May 19, 2011 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment

Egomet Bonmot:

oh for gosh sakes troll, lighten up on Bill Moyers.

Grow up.

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By Egomet Bonmot, May 19, 2011 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment

Moyers did his part for democracy as hatchet man for LBJ, bugging Martin Luther King’s hotel room to glean private dirt on the man and working to get journalists like Morley Safer kicked out the States for unfavorable coverage.  The man is despicable.

Google Slate’s “The Intolerable Smugness of Bill Moyers” or any of a hundred other articles for the facts.

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By Cliff Carson, May 19, 2011 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment

I can’t get out of my mind the statement “We have brought back ten”  and that is in nine years!

The depravity we Americans allowed our government to do to the people of the the Middle East is almost impossible to measure.

And no mention of the DU was made in the Article.  That Radioactive poison scattered there by our Military has tripled the amount of “monster” births in Iraq and will continue to do so for the next several million years assuming that our civilization lasts that long.

It will take an omnipotent God to forgive us for our cruelty.  I can’t bring myself to forgive the horror we have visited on innocent people.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, May 19, 2011 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment
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I found it interesting that everyone involved in the conversation with Moyers glossed over the most important point he raised - that is, that facts no longer have any bearing on what people in this country believe or on what political opinions they hold, according to a study he cited.  We are living in what has been called the “post factual age.”  We believe that we are entitled to our own facts as well as opinions.  We reject facts that do not support our beliefs.  In other words, political pundits like those here at TD are only and always “preaching to the choir.”  The idea that if you could reach more people you could change their minds is quite out of line with the conclusions of this study.  Another recent study showed that not all people who get their news from Fox are undereducated, incurious, or stupid.  There is a large segment of educated, socially involved people who tune into Fox to have their “facts” verified.  To blame Fox News for “disinformation” is putting the cart before the horse.

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By Artful Dodger, May 19, 2011 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment
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Re: D R Zing

Yes. Bill Moyers is a great man. But he worked for a miserable son-of-a-bitch. Perhaps that is why Mr. Moyers left politics and dedicated his life and career to journalism at its best. He certainly saw firsthand what an evil person can do when he manipulates journalism at its worst.

I remember how Mort Sahl did lampoons of St. Bill and LBJ. I can’t help wondering what St. Bill’s role was in the Kennedy murder. To quote:

In fact, prior to the appointing of the Special Commission, Deputy Attorney General D. Katzenbach wrote in a memo to President Lyndon B. Johnson Aide Bill Moyers on November 25, 1963: “The public must be satisfied that Oswald was assassin; that he did not have confederates…” [2]


I know St. Bill and Valenti had been complicit in quashing a very impugning documentary about the JFK assassination on the Discovery channel. There were some bits of the expose that implicated LBJ’s involvement. Whenever I see the pious looking face of St. Bill on TV I get a sour belch. This St. Bill couldn’t understand the anti-war movement of the time. Finally, he cut his losses late in the game by resigning as LBJ’s press secretary in 1967. Whenever I see him lecture on the evils of our tyrannical government, I feel like I am being preached to by the town drunk, who just got religion after being caught for statutory rape. He is a really creepy man if you think about it hard enough. I will keep pointing out the evil in this man for as long as Truthdig makes reference to him as some sort of liberal saint. Recall that the Catholic Church had elevated many inquisitors and torturers to beatification and sainthood. Color me a hagiophobe.

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By Night-Gaunt, May 19, 2011 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

We have seen that the predatory nature of business run by those and attractive to those who have no compassion or interest in their posterity. Just remember Daffy Duck and the magic lamp—-“Its mine, mine, mine!!!”

As had been chronicled by others, since the the 1980’s, maybe 1970’s have found that corporate culture has been aligned to the psychopathic personality. If you aren’t one you can be lured to act like one as they continually advertise that the only way to get rich and have the “American Dream” is to be as ruthless as can be. Ayn Rand certainly championed it. She considered such people to be her supermen. Plunderers of modern society, where might makes right and wealth is for the rich. A dangerous and destructive ethos if there ever was one ever advertised as the best of all possible worlds. Totally antithetical to our ethos of “Out of Many One.”
Remember when you hear the term “state’s rights” it is a code for the Neo-Confederates in our midst. They are strong and are part of the Dominionist movement to gut our present country and rebuild it in their own twisted image.

Bill Moyers understands just how bad our position is today. How close we are to losing even the damaged gov’t we do have.

For me it is difficult to end on a positive note. Suffice it to say we haven’t lost yet. But the time is running out and once they collapse the economy it will be way too late since they will be out in the open and they will be the only ones with the organization and the support of the gov’t run by their own people. Then all bets, and the Bill of Rights, are off for us. Most will give up their freedom for a near normal life. (All the tropes will be back in place, but there will be no protections for us, our lives, our freedom will be conditional and we may not know where the leash ends.) The rest will be hunted down or allowed to starve or will be enslaved. That’s the way I see it. Just don’t know when the hammer will drop.

I thank TruthDig for all it does. Just wish I had some extra money for them.

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By MeHere, May 19, 2011 at 8:26 am Link to this comment

Billee

Excellent observations.  Most of the younger crowd seems to accept the present
working and lifestyle conditions as being normal—the idea being that, if this is
life in the US, it must be right.

I would only add that creating one’s own business doesn’t change the situation.
It just involves a different set of concerns and uncertainties which also make
people work themselves into extreme fatigue.

As a result of this malaise, not even retirees can relax—certainly not the
average retiree. As if dealing with old age and the health issues that develop
were not enough, they cannot trust the institutions that hold their savings or
the corporate health care system.  And they are faced with the onslaught of a
fast-changing technology that often makes them feel helpless.

Yes, it is a disturbing situation.  At this point, probably only nature can change
our situation, when the acceleration and expansion becomes unsustainable.

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By yossarianblues, May 19, 2011 at 6:12 am Link to this comment
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The study regarding facts to which Moyers refers: http://articles.boston.com/2010-07-11/bostonglobe/29324096_1_facts-misinformation-beliefs

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By JJW, May 19, 2011 at 4:33 am Link to this comment
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After the exposure of NYTs’ Judith Miller one would think they’d at least try to clean house but, no they get even more in bed with criminal politicians and CEOs.

Thank goodness I terminated Comcast cable.

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By surfnow, May 19, 2011 at 4:28 am Link to this comment

DR Zing:
I agree. It’s tough to get passed Moyers’ butt kissing of LBJ. He hated JFK and I’ve never believed it was coincidental that Kennedy was taken out in Johnson’s backyard. However, Moyers is of course right about the current state of our democracy, and internet neutrality is one of the most vital issues today. I also agree about the lies behind our wars- the War with Mexico was a total war of imperialism; and the super-patriotism behind WWI was sickening.However, the danger today is from the changes brought about by Rumsfeld-Bush- a totally volunteer military run by corporations- this is something very new , very unique and completely anti-democratic and dangerous.

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By THX 1133 is not in the movie..., May 18, 2011 at 10:08 pm Link to this comment

Always love to hear Moyers; a giant among us.

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By D.R. Zing, May 18, 2011 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

This is a great interview.  I thank TruthDig for posting it. Bill Moyers is indeed a legend, and the way he ended the interview by pointing out the importance of individual journalists—and the importance of TruthDig itself—showed his brilliance, his poise, his integrity, his style.  God, I love him. 

But let’s be clear here about something else too. Lyndon Baines Johnson was a sorry son-of-a-bitch.  He stole his Senate seat from an honorable man named Coke Stevenson. LBJ was the original rat fucker, the original dirty dick, the master of dirty tricks, a vile despicable human being who manipulated his way into the Kennedy administration even though he was in no way qualified by intellect, disposition or even national popularity to be in such a position.

There are no words in this comment that LBJ did not use on a regular basis. 

Look at your dog. That Labrador Retriever knows just about as much as LBJ did about Vietnam when the bastard took office. Tens of thousands of Americans and perhaps one million Vietnamese lost their lives because LBJ was too goddamn stupid to realize McNamara was an idiot. Defecate in a jar and call it an LBJ memorial.

He turned his back on Martin Luther King when King needed him most. 

He was as diabolical as Karl Rove when campaigning and as stupid as George W. Bush when it came to foreign policy.

He showed Republicans and Democrats how to play dirty in the modern era. 

He only supported civil rights because he manipulated it into a way of furthering his political career.

He may have had seeds of a decent human being in him, but those seeds rotted in a vile pot of politics and ruthless ambition.

Don’t take my word for it. Read the man who spent his life studying LBJ, Robert A. Caro. His books on LBJ are:

Path to Power
Means of Ascent
Master of the Senate, which won the Pulitzer for Biography by the way. 

And all of Mr. Caro’s fans are waiting patiently for his last and final book about the LBJ presidency. 

Yes. Bill Moyers is a great man. But he worked for a miserable son-of-a-bitch. Perhaps that is why Mr. Moyers left politics and dedicated his life and career to journalism at its best. He certainly saw firsthand what an evil person can do when he manipulates journalism at its worst.

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By Billee, May 18, 2011 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

What concerns me (as a middle aged person who grew up in a suburb and has
lived in NYC for twenty years and connects with a lot of 20 and 30-
somethings) is the alarming degree of obedience presented by these new
generations. They shut up and do internships that basically use them for slave
labor, most do not get passionate about politics (uncool), are easily duped and
seduced by corporate hype and seem to not register any deep authenticity that
would lead them to rebel against established authority. I find this very
disturbing. I think they have been born into this corporate culture, know
nothing of how this country was before, and know slavishly serve with a level of
cluelessness about their rights being violated that unnerves me. They accept
corporate bs as if it is normal. I see it time and time again. The new trend is to
work them until at least 9pm. They get very little in return in terms of salary or
benefits. They are just being drained. Life will get worse in the US as those who
knew what it was like before the 1980s die off. When you could go to work,
come home and spend time unwinding with your family or just by yourself. Now
it’s all about working yourself into absolute frightening fatigue,worrying you
will get sick (no health insurance) and trying to block all these worries by
magical thinking, i.e. magical thinking. I am glad I am not young now. this
country is so sociopathically corporate that trying to maintain a middle class
life here has become unsustainable. If you lose your job, that’s it. Unless you
are resouceful enough to create a business of your own. Not everyone is capable
of that. And yet, cost of living prices continue to soar. I am not optimistic

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By SteveL, May 18, 2011 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment

Heard the broadcast.  Main slime media has always been bad. Egbert Roscoe
Murrow good, Walter Cronkite most trusted but the rest not so good.

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