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 The Christian Conspiracy to Take Over the MilitaryPosted on Jul 13, 2011
(Page 2) Kasia Anderson: This is Truthdig Radio. I’m Kasia Anderson, associate editor. And I’m pleased to be talking with author and private detective Sam Brower about his new book, “Prophet’s Prey: My Seven-Year Investigation into Warren Jeffs and the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints.” How’re you doing, Sam? Sam Brower: Good. Good to be here. Kasia Anderson: Good to have you. I myself am actually from Salt Lake City, Utah; I was born there and spent about 10 years there, so I know a little bit about the topic of your book; I was born in Utah myself. Why don’t you set up the case of the FLDS [Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints] and the Warren Jeffs case for us? Sam Brower: OK. The FLDS are a group of fundamentalist Mormons; they distinguish themselves from the mainstream LDS [Latter-day Saints] church by practicing polygamy, and they’ve been, of course, they separated themselves decades ago. And over the years they have devolved, I guess—or evolved, however you want to put it—into a criminal organization run by their so-called prophet, who is now awaiting charges in Texas involving child abuse and underage marriage. And he’s still actually running his organization from behind the jail walls; he has access to a phone, and he’s still running his whole criminal organization from there. Advertisement Sam Brower: You know, our best guesses are over 10,000. I have a database that contains over 13,000 names, and it’s growing all the time. They have multiple wives and very large families, and so it’s constantly growing and getting larger and larger. Kasia Anderson: So, describe—the book says that you’re talking about the shocking inside world of FLDS members. What in particular did you find the most shocking? Was it the underage marriage and child abuse, obviously, or were there other aspects? Sam Brower: You know, I guess the most shocking part was the age of the children who were getting abused. One of my first clients was Brent Jeffs and Brandon Jeffs, the nephews of Warren Jeffs, and they were being raped and sodomized by their Uncle Warren between the ages of 5 and 7. And that was my introduction into this group, into this cult. And then as I started going on … it’s very hard to get information. I mean, they’re such an insular group, such a quiet, secretive cult, that it’s very hard to get information. People just don’t really leave and spill their guts, you know; it’s sort of like kind of breaking into the mob. And so it’s very hard to get information, and then when the law enforcement raid—there was a law enforcement raid that took place in Texas that uncovered a lot of evidence, including Warren Jeffs’ personal priesthood record. And that was the—oh, gosh, I’d say smoking gun, except it was even more than that; it was just, you know, a private investigator’s dream come true. He laid it all out: I mean, children as young as 11, 12 years old being married out to old men. It was, you know, an incredible story of fraud and child abuse and blackmail and kidnapping, and all these horrible things that go along with an organized crime group. Kasia Anderson: Yeah, I understand that it would by nature be difficult to get people to talk when they’ve fled such, or are trying to leave such horrific conditions. It [Brower’s book] says that you earned the trust of a lot of FLDS members. How did you go about doing that? Sam Brower: The biggest thing on my side was, I just didn’t give up. During, over the years, law enforcement has tried to get in, but they ... time isn’t on their side, and they try and then they just hit a roadblock and they stop. But I just didn’t stop, and bit by bit I got to know people who had left the group, and then you get to know some of their friends and some of their relatives, and then you hear and learn more. You know, just little bits at a time over the years, just little tiny bits at a time, you start getting to know more people and you start learning more. And you find people that are still inside the group and things like that, that are willing to talk, but very cautiously. And so it was just a real slow process, but it was a process that worked in my favor. Kasia Anderson: Right. And as a private investigator, had you done any cases like this before, or was this all new to you? Sam Brower: Well, I’d done child abuse cases before, and they are always disturbing. I’ve worked on lots of cases like that, and they are very disturbing; they are unsettling. But nothing like this—something that was just overwhelming; I mean, literally, that you lose sleep over it. Kasia Anderson: Right. And, you know, just for our listeners and also for my own edification, can you describe a little bit—you mentioned that the FLDS has spun off from mainstream Mormonism some time ago. Can you kind of lay out, in brief, the relationship between these kind of fringe groups and the Mormon Church in Utah and other, you know, Mormon-heavy locations? Sam Brower: Yeah. Around the turn of the 19th century, the LDS church disavowed the practice of polygamy. They were trying to become a state, and they were trying to integrate into the mainstream country, and so they decided that in order to do that they would need to abolish that practice of polygamy. And it took some time, but over the years they were able to abolish that practice. But there was a handful of disaffected members, I guess, that didn’t want to participate in that. They thought the mainstream church was off-base, and they decided that they were going to go ahead and branch off on their own and start forming their own church. And so that was the beginning of it; that was the seed. And then over the years, they’ve each started battling with each other, you know, these different sects. One would break off from another one; you know, a church leader would die, and there would be a period of sort of like a medieval power struggle, where one would be trying to gain control over the other one’s congregation … Kasia Anderson: [Laughs] Fiefdoms. Sam Brower: … and there was this history of violence, and just a struggle to keep members and help the ranks grow. So that’s what these offshoot fringe group, kind of how they sprung up out here in the West. Kasia Anderson: Right. And at this point the book cites there’s about 50,000 to 100,000 families around the United States, yeah, who practice polygamy? Sam Brower: That’s probably a good guess. And I don’t know that they’re … they’re not all Mormon kind of offshoots; there’s lots of different cults, I guess, and sects, and things like that. I mean, you see every once in a while out here, just some guy wanders off into the desert and has a vision and comes back and says God told him to marry his secretary or something, you know? Kasia Anderson: [Laughs] Yes, all these interesting prophetic moments. I should correct myself; that wasn’t from your book, that was from a secondary source about polygamy. Sam Brower: Yeah. Kasia Anderson: But, to bring us up to date, there’s obviously a couple shows in popular culture that deal with polygamy. I know that you don’t have to be the “Sister Wives” expert or something to be able to speak to it, but do you feel like there’s any risk involved with having these types of practices kind of mainstreamed, or brought into popular culture? Or is the simple fact of their existence not a problem for you? Sam Brower: Well, I feel there is. I mean, I was asked to screen a preview of “Big Love” and I wouldn’t go do it, because I’d seen what it was like and it’s not realistic. And also, the shows like “Sister Wives” and things like that, I think it sends out a bad message that these groups are somehow legitimate. In actuality, maybe with Kody Brown and his group in this moment in time, they’re pretty benign. You know, maybe they do fit in better than some of these other groups. I really don’t know; I haven’t really focused on them. But then again, I know that the leader of his group was Owen Allred, and when he died in 2005, there was a lot of tension, a lot of worry here about whether … you know, which way their group’s going to go. You know, are they going to get a new leader that’s going to be radical and lead them down these paths of child abuse and all the other ancillary crimes that go along with it? Or is he going to be somebody that’s going to kind of lead the people into the mainstream? And when you have these ingredients of religious fanaticism and blind obedience, all it takes is one more ingredient—which is a radical leader—and the whole thing can explode and take thousands of people down a very dangerous, slippery slope. Kasia Anderson: Speaking of Mormons in the public eye, we have two candidates for president—Jon Huntsman and Mitt Romney—who are Mormons. Do you think that there’s any chance of their success in the race for the White House? Or is America still a little bit too wary of Mormonism, in your opinion? Sam Brower: Well, as far as the mainstream LDS church goes, I don’t like to think that the rest of the world is not ready for a Mormon president. I mean, there is a Mormon congressman, and senators and Cabinet members, and all kinds of different people in the government all over the place. Kasia Anderson: Harry Reid in Nevada, yeah. Sam Brower: So when people think of Mormonism, I guess they think automatically of polygamy. But the mainstream church is no more part of, for instance, the FLDS church than Lutherans are of the Catholic; they’re two totally different religions. So there’s no fear on my part for them becoming president; I think they would both probably be fine presidents. Kasia Anderson: OK. Well, on that note, we’re going to wrap up here; thanks for your time. This is private detective and author Sam Brower; we’ve been talking about his new book, “Prophet’s Prey: My Seven-Year Investigation into Warren Jeffs and the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints.” Thanks for your time, Sam. Sam Brower: Thanks so much.
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By Night-Gaunt, August 23, 2011 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment
Can you give examples where each one came to the same end? I’d be very interested Lew Ciefer to see it.
Report thisBy mintu_kumar, August 23, 2011 at 5:32 am Link to this comment
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This is a must see video… you have you prepare yourself and your loved ones before it’s too late.
Report thisBy Lew Ciefer, July 20, 2011 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment
Night-Gaunt, July 19 at 8:43 pm
I would like you to expand on this glib statement. Since on the face of it you are wrong. And the power elite aren’t all of them, mostly none of them.
How do you know who the Power Elite are? The Power Elite is not just people. It is people AND the institutions—in a state of flux—through which they function. Then there’s the henchmen class; where do we classify them? Are they part of the Power Elite or tools utilized by the Power Elite?
All of the different ideologies are no different in how they eventually end. They are all nothing more than different paths toward higher degrees of tyranny and monopolized privilege. They start off very differently and that’s why we see collectivist systems collapsing after only a generation or two and capitalist systems lasting much longer. They all—eventually—end with a more highly concentrated Power Elite as the system increases in monopolization of wealth, resources, and means of production and diminished hope and innovation.
The common weak link with all of the different human designed political/economic systems and ideologies is the Homo sapiens. The imperfections of all systems are why humans are constantly trying to design a better mouse trap. Imperfect beings—Humans—refuse to accept the fact that humans prevent any system from being perfect and the result is always massive amounts of deaths and suffering.
If this universe is designed, as many believe, there’s no wonder why the so-called Intelligent Designer is and has been A.W.O.L. for billions of earth years. It also means that we have to redefine ‘intelligent.’
Report thisBy Lew Ciefer, July 20, 2011 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment
@ culheath, July 20 at 1:36 am
...as though capitalism or markets are not a religion as well?
secondly i doubt that the elites are as impenetrable as you suppose. there wouldn’t be such visible turmoil if they were actually as smart and effective as you paint it.
people don’t rebel against strong masters, they rebel against weak ones.
> You fail to realize that it’s not the economic system/theory that one worships as a god. It is the State. The majority of the population in a libertarian political system with some form of a capitalist economic system does not—generally—hold to the ideology that the State is the great equalizer and guarantor of equality of outcome.
> The ‘visible turmoil’ is theatre. The Power Elite is always in a state of flux. It’s never the same people. It’s the same type of people. The institutions morph/evolve, old ones are sometimes discarded and new ones developed .The Power Elite fight amongst themselves because they are apes too. But while they fight amongst themselves for increased power and wealth they also know what is good for them. And what’s good for them is rarely good for us. The Power Elite is NOT just apes; it’s apes AND institutions. To prevail over the Power Elite one has to destroy the apes AND the institutions through which they maintain privilege and exercise power.
Consider the current ‘debt ceiling turmoil’ for the past few months. It’s all theatre. There’s never been any doubt that the ceiling would be raised. Only fools fall for the scaremongering propaganda. It’s been raised 78 times since 1962! The ‘battle’ or ‘visible turmoil’ is a façade concealing what is really going on ... the plan by The Party to raise the extortion rate on workers’ wages for the benefit of the Power Elite, functionaries—Boobus Americanus—in government, and the dependent class which cannot survive without governmental extortion of its neighbors.
> Most people don’t rebel until their stomacha are growling from hunger and there is no other option left to them. Even then most will simply lie down and die. What human beings seek above all else is security from precipitous and violent death and some guarantee—however hollow—that they’ll have adequate shelter, food, clothing, and education for their offspring. That’s why history shows apes always evolving to societies of higher complexities. The 20th century showed us that a very large number of human beings are more than willing to surrender personal liberties in exchange for some form of collectivist system that promises them security. In this they are like believers in Jesus’ return on a white horse or those that believe Mohammed flew a horse to a meeting with an angel. They believe in mythology, because the 20th century also shows us that collectivism kills people and increases human misery on an even greater scale than traditional theocracies.
If you doubt what I say, get off your arse and hit the streets calling for revolution. Don’t forget to send your prison address so that we can send you a care package once in a while.
Report thisBy culheath, July 20, 2011 at 1:36 am Link to this comment
@Lew C
...as though capitalism or markets are not a religion as well?
secondly i doubt that the elites are as impenetrable as you suppose. there wouldn’t be such visible turmoil if they were actually as smart and effective as you paint it.
people don’t rebel against strong masters, they rebel against weak ones.
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, July 19, 2011 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment
iIt matters not—in the long run—whether the ideology is considered and/or believed to be conservative, communist, socialist, libertarian, left, progressive, etc. They’re basically all the same. </i>
I would like you to expand on this glib statement. Since on the face of it you are wrong. And the power elite aren’t all of them, mostly none of them.
However I do agree with your last paragraph.
Report thisBy Lew Ciefer, July 19, 2011 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment
@ Night-Guant3
The problem was your use of a term that is employed by the so-called American Left to label the so-called American Right—Reich wing—and the awkward sentence from the other thread and here once again. There is no Left. The Left in the U.S. is primarily the Democrats. The Democrat Party was long-ago taken over by the Socialists. All ideologies come down to nothing more than an elite ruling over the masses with different degrees of liberty afforded to them. It matters not—in the long run—whether the ideology is considered and/or believed to be conservative, communist, socialist, libertarian, left, progressive, etc. They’re basically all the same. They are nothing but different paths to totalitarian rule of the masses by privileged, super-wealthy, and powerful Elites.
Report thisWe’ve much more in common than it first appeared. I hope—for your personal well-being—that you aren’t one of the delusional who believe that successful revolution against the Power Elite is possible. It isn’t. The technology at their disposal is insurmountable at this time without a major revolt of some kind in the armed forces.
By Night-Gaunt, July 18, 2011 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment
You still don’t get that I’m not playing partisan sides. They are both involved in this because of the crypto-fascists that are in both of them, and the Libertarians too and maybe others. So it takes both to screw the pooch, and they have done it. This isn’t politics as usual. No very different these days. The few who are against it are that, a few. The ones who still resist the power of corporations and their owners. It is very bad and we are sliding that much faster to an authoritarian state with theocratic nuances. And your remedy of “let the Liberals join” the military is ignorant of just who is running the military or how deep the rot is. How both parties are part of it.
There is no fear from the Left hurting our Republic, their power has been waning for some time. The rise of the Second Guilded Age is upon us. If we don’t stop it many will die here, like myself, as they destroy the safety net. Who needs to waste money on death camps when the targeted people can’t get food or medicine or medical care and die at home? Send in a for profit coroner’s service to take their corpses away and have no liability for any hospital and its done.
It’s happening but quietly. So unless you dig for it, spend time away from friends and family to track it down and read it, it will remain little known.
http://www.talk2action.com is a good place to find out just how much of this is wide spread. Not just in this country but in others as well like Uganda. Read up on it sometime.
Report thisBy Lew Ciefer, July 18, 2011 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment
@ Night-Gaunt, July 15 at 3:26 pm
So Reagan, George H.W. Bush & G.W.Bush don’t count for anything?
I didn’t say that.
Look at the data. Two of the three aforementioned had to deal with Democrat Houses throughout their terms and half of the twelve years with Democrat Senates. During Dubya’s first term the Senate, from 2001-2003, while officially Republican was a 50/50 Senate.
So who’s been screwing the pooch?
I don’t know how you defend this. If you want us to believe that the Democrats are so inept, and incompetent that even with all the advantage that they have enjoyed the Republicans were able to bend them over like little girlie men and win the day ... that’s okay with me. I have to ask though; why do you keep voting such obviously incompetent and inept fools back into office?
Take a quick read of comments, especially those to do with taxes, corporations, and finances. The threads are filled with Demmies complaining about corporations—especially TNCs—and the rich not paying their fair share. Well, the Mocha Crusader enjoyed a two-year span with a Demmie majority in both the House and the Senate. Name me a single piece of legislation from the Demmies closing tax loopholes on corporations. Why didn’t the Demmies, led by their Mocha Savior, legislate some of that ‘Hope and Change’ while they enjoyed legislative authority?
Consider for a minute the Botox queen. From 2009 to present her worth has increased from, reportedly, $21.7 million to $43.4 million, minus $8+ million in liabilities; she accomplished this during record high unemployment and recession with the Mocha Savior driving the bus off the cliff. Even the Sobbing Orangeman is reported to be worth only about two million. I had no idea struggling for liberal causes du jour paid so well. How do commies/socialists/lefties accumulate such fortunes without being part and parcel of all that predator capitalism they love to say they hate? And why do they hang on to those fortunes rather than ‘share’ it with the ‘people’? Hypocrisy?
The belly-aching about the supposed Christian takeover of the military is easily resolved by Lefties joining the military. But they won’t do it. In typical fundamentalist fashion they are on their knees, in humble supplication to their god—The State—begging that it legislate the problem away. What do you people want? Should the government forbid Christians from serving? Perhaps you want a ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell if you’re Christian’ law?
The military has a position known as ‘Chaplain’ and Chaplains are paid by the State. The State also provides Chaplains for prisons and in Congress there’s some guy who acts on behalf of religious faith who pretends that those demons in government pray to a god other than their corporate masters.
Perfect separation of Church and State is impossible to achieve. I like the idea because it would be one method of ridding the State of commies and socialists, the most fanatical and dangerous believers in myth on the planet. Their gods, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc., are responsible for an estimated 110 million deaths and immeasurable human suffering in about a 75 years span during the 20th century. Other religions required centuries to match that.
Report thisBy Lew Ciefer, July 18, 2011 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment
@ RayLan, July 16 at 4:44 am Link to this comment
No kidding. I didn’t say he was. The ‘church’ as a unified structure with an orthodox body of beliefs didn’t really exist until Constantine mandated ‘Christianity’ as a state religion.
What followed could be considered the furthest thing from what its Founder had intended - a Roman hierarchy.
So the ‘true’ Christians as disciples of Christ who knew his teachings and were moved by the Spirit to preach His message died out rather soon to be replaced by members of an imperial hierarchy, which has done nothing but try to control the world through political means ever since.
You don’t know who the ‘founder’ of Christianity was and with 25-37 thousand different sects, denominations, and cults there is no single ‘true’ Christinity. The Jesus of the New Testament didn’t exist. You may ask how I know that, well, because virgins don’t have babies and men don’t rise from the dead after a day and a half counted as 3 days. Might there have been a religious fanatic running around Judah around BCE 96 to 4CE? Certainly! Might one of the many religious fanatics running around Judah at the turn of the first century been the source of the biblical Jesus myth. It certainly is possible as well as probable.
The separation of Church and State is a great idea. I agree wholeheartedly with it. But, like all human designed systems and institutions it’s flawed. You cannot have a total separation of the Church from the State because of humans. Believers are society and like it or not they are going to strive for a society that fits within their belief structure. We don’t want to forget the the Boobus Americanus in government who take advantage of those belief systems in order to hold on to their power and privilege. It’s no different with commies and socialists; they strive for a society based on their belief system also—and their belief system is every bit as mythological and based on prophecies as all the rest. The main difference between the commies/socialists and the Christians is their gods. For the Christians, their god is some complicated imaginary trinity. For the commies/socialists their god is the State. They both want the same thing; to rule and tell other people how they should live their lives.
It’s the way of the Ape and it’s been like that since Ape ancestors crawled out of the primordial slime. Either dominate or be dominated.
Report thisBy christian96, July 17, 2011 at 4:44 am Link to this comment
A Christian is an individual who tries to follow the
Report thisteachings of Jesus(Yeshua in Hebrew) Christ(the
anointed one.) Because they live in human bodies
Christians are going to make mistakes. When they
do they ask Jesus for forgiveness and get back on
the Christian track with their lives.
By RayLan, July 16, 2011 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment
@christian96
Report thisA better question is ‘What is a Christian?”
By Night-Gaunt, July 16, 2011 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment
Just like any other extremist believes not only that they are right and all others not like them are wrong. They must enforce their point-of-view as the law of the land. That includes killing or incarcerating those they deem dangerous and apostate to them. Religious or secular force is the primary means of making their demands met by all others.
What is your version Christian96?
Report thisBy christian96, July 16, 2011 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment
What is a Christian extremist?
Report thisBy RayLan, July 16, 2011 at 4:44 am Link to this comment
@Lew Ciefer
Report this“Jesus wasn’t a Christian”
No kidding. I didn’t say he was. The ‘church’ as a unified structure with an orthodox body of beliefs didn’t really exist until Constantine mandated ‘Christianity’ as a state religion.
What followed could be considered the furthest thing from what its Founder had intended - a Roman hierarchy.
So the ‘true’ Christians as disciples of Christ who knew his teachings and were moved by the Spirit to preach His message died out rather soon to be replaced by members of an imperial hierarchy, which has done nothing but try to control the world through political means ever since.
By culheath, July 16, 2011 at 1:47 am Link to this comment
It’s astonishing that at this late date so many people in this country cannot fathom that their religious convictions have no bearing on nor authority over the decision making process of fellow citizens who are guided by their own lights.
Report thisBy culheath, July 16, 2011 at 1:46 am Link to this comment
Lew,
Report thisFind some lithium.
By Night-Gaunt, July 15, 2011 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment
So Reagan, George H.W. Bush & G.W.Bush don’t count for anything?
Report thisBy Lew Ciefer, July 15, 2011 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment
@ RayLan, July 15 at 2:21 am
The last true Christian probably died in the first century.
Jesus wasn’t a Christian. He was a Jew living under the Pharisaic Law. Christ is English for the Greek ‘Khristos’ which means ‘anointed.’ He was believed to be the ‘anointed one’ that Jews were/are waiting for. A Christian would be a follower of Christ or the Anointed one.
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.”—Matthew 10: 34, 35
“And He said to them, When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.” And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘AND HE WAS NUMBERED WITH TRANSGRESSORS’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment. They said, “Lord, look, here are two (40) swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough” -Luke 22:35.38
The ‘Anointed’ clearly states that he did not come to bring peace to the world but rather turmoil and division. The ‘sword’, in Matthew, is metaphor for division and strife. Jesus and/or belief in him—Christianity—is that ‘sword’ of division. Looks like he was right judging by the fear-mongering on the two threads about Christians taking over the military, huh?
In Luke he clearly orders his followers to arm themselves because they are now going to have to fend for themselves without his presence on earth. Do you understand that he not only ordered them to arm themselves but he left with at least two armed companions in his presence.
There is NO prohibition for Christians to be warriors or to go to war. Paul takes it up a notch when he talks about Christians’ real battle being not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities in high places. He speaks of demonic powers that blind men to the truth of Jesus and control human governments… all those democrats and republicans are under demonic control. I can’t argue with that because I know who the demons are that control them.
Report thisBy Lew Ciefer, July 15, 2011 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment
@ Inherit The Wind, July 15 at 5:02 am Link to this comment
Truthdig had a large article on the taking of the Air Force Academy back in 2008. It was my hope that the election of Obama and the 60 seat Senate majority as well as a dominant Democratic House would make it a no-brainer that the AFA would be cleaned up and the fundies rooted out of there, along with that crazy AF general who said we were fighting Jesus’ war.
But no. In yet another betrayal of their voters, the Democrats did NOTHING, as usual.
Why don’t you Democrats / Lefties / Progressives / Marxists / Leninists / Trokskyists / Maoists / Pol Potists / Ho Chi Minhists / HilliaryClintonistas / Che Guevaristas / Chavistas / Alinskinistas /Huffingtonistas / NYTimistas / Peloseristas / Reidistas / Mochaistas, etc. enlist in the Air Force, the Army, the Navy, and the Marines and take back the Academies?
You can all meet at your ‘Headquarters of World Revolutionaries for Peace and Equality’ and recruiters—knowing they’re going to get signatures on the dotted line—will drive down to Starbuck’s, order Iced chocolate carob carrot coffee crapsalottas—caffeine free @ $6.95—and gladly show all you brave souls where to sign. And voilà! The majority in the U.S. military will be right-thinking Lefties who’ll take control of the Academies and the General Staff.
Consider this:
“In yet another betrayal of their voters, the Democrats did NOTHING, as usual.”-ITW
with this:
“Meanwhile, Republicans in Congress have been mostly incapable of doing anything beyond providing weak opposition to the Democrats’ bad ideas. Rarely do Republicans demonstrate the courage and integrity necessary to return the nation to prosperity and common sense.” - Charles Gross
The facts:
From 1933 to January 2011, DEMOCRATS have been the Congressional big dogs. They’ve had the majority in the House for 62 years; 40 of them consecutively from 1955-1995. In the Senate they have had the majority for 56 years of those 78. In that same 78 year period the Democrats had control of the House, the Senate, and the Executive for 14 consecutive years, 1933-1947, for 4 consecutive years, 1949-1943, for 8 consecutive years, 1961-1969, for 4 consecutive years, 1977-1981, for 2 consecutive years, 1993-1995, and for 2 years with the current Mocha Apollyon, 2009-2011.
In contrast the Republicans have…
Controlled the House, the Senate, and the Executive for 2 consecutive years, 1953-1955, and for 4 consecutive years, 2001-2007.
Conclusions:
For 34 of 78 years the DEMOCRATS have had legislative control while the Republicans, in contrast, have had legislative control of the government a meager 6 years of 78.
I’m no fan of Republicans but it’s obvious just who it is that’s been screwing the pooch.
The solution to the Christian take over of the armed forces:
In the navy
Yes, you can sail the seven seas
In the navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the navy
Come on now, people, make a stand
In the navy, in the navy
Lah, lah, lah… Tip toe…
Report thisBy James M. Martin, July 15, 2011 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment
The saying, “there are no atheists in foxholes,” is a lie. In their proselytic zeal, Christians show a willingness to stoop to any fib to foist Jesus off on anyone willing to listen. They do it outside abortion clinics, they do it at gay pride events, and they do it in military barracks. They even proselytize with the dead: witness their cynical, fraudulent attempts to put causa mortis words into the mouths of Einstein and even Darwin (the latter while the proselytes are simultaneously claiming fossils were only an example of God “fooling the evolutionists”). Remember, when the lies did not work during the witch pogroms (against women who helped abort unwanted babies), they went auto da fe and used fagots (yes, one “g”) for kindling. In other words, the same crimes they are laying at the feet of evangelical Muslims in general and Wahhabists in particular, Christians and especially evangelicals themselves prove guilty.
It’s our way or the highway. Our God is the only God and he wrote or dictated every line in the Bible/Koran. But both religions cherry pick their dogma and most Christians don’t even practice the basic tenets of the faith proposed by their own prophet. How can you deny women and LGBT people basic rights or rights not equal to the “average” heterosexual male and claim that you are compassionate? Why are we ignoring diurnal reality in favor of things that existed on the ground circa 5,000 B.C.E. (O.T.) and circa 800 C.E. (Koran)? Those people didn’t even have printing presses for God’s sake!
(Ooops. Naw, I don’t believe in god, but I have a nostalgia for him.)
Report thisBy jr., July 15, 2011 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
Let u.s. remember, the christian church has had a place reserved for it within the military bunkers of america, just in case of national emergency, for at least the past thirty years; i know, i’ve been in a few. The church validates that with the excuse, well, the military, also, has followers who need a place of worship. That be security the average citizen doesn’t have.
Let u.s. also remember, the words of the pledge of allegiance, and why it’s called a pledge of allegiance, “one nation, under god, (and this is the key word): indivisible”. Liberty and justice are tooo subjective to even comment on.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 15, 2011 at 5:02 am Link to this comment
Truthdig had a large article on the taking of the Air Force Academy back in 2008. It was my hope that the election of Obama and the 60 seat Senate majority as well as a dominant Democratic House would make it a no-brainer that the AFA would be cleaned up and the fundies rooted out of there, along with that crazy AF general who said we were fighting Jesus’ war.
But no. In yet another betrayal of their voters, the Democrats did NOTHING, as usual.
Report thisBy RayLan, July 15, 2011 at 2:21 am Link to this comment
The last true Christian probably died in the first century.
Report thisBy Dave24, July 14, 2011 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment
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Enjoy, everyone:
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By gerard, July 14, 2011 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment
Patrick Henry might well have pointed out that the roots of this Christian militarism were planted and grew to be humongous a thousand years ago during the century of the Crusades. It was the same theme of “dominionism” that seized the Popes in Rome by the throat and sent “signs in the sky” (Constantine” appeared to hordes of ignorant peasants into many insane expeditions into “the Holy Land” to “reclaim the Holy City” from the “infidels.”
The “infidels” (various nomadic and highly civilized kingdoms and tribes throughout the Middle East) were attacked and resisted, and tens of thousands of “knights” and “warriors” on both sides died horrible deaths—all either “fighting for Christ” or “defending Islam and their homeland.”
That horrid period was the fertilizer for the present holocausts, and it should not be surprising to see the ancient propaganda reasserting itself—again using religion as the impetus for mass murder.
Report this“When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?”
By PatrickHenry, July 14, 2011 at 4:08 pm Link to this comment
Now there’s an old theme. Brainwashing at its finest.
‘Onward Christian soldiers’.
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, July 14, 2011 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment
Yes part of the conspiracy by the billionaires an religious fundies (several types) who want this country to become a Capitalist paradise and militant Dominionists who want a Holy American Empire. They moved to take over all the “7 Pillars (Mountains)” of society. And the military is one such pillar. A small number but very powerful and dedicated and funded. They failed in 1934 (but not punished) so they took a different strategy to win this time. They are so good with their security that we don’t known the ones behind this.
The main difference in theology between the standard Christian, Post-Millenial (for those who await the “rapture.”) and the Dominionists are Pre-Millenial. For them god will return only when they have conquered the earth—-literally. The entire earth population must not only to have “heard the word” they must be converted to their specific Crusader/Inquision kind. Also slavery and mercy killing (you won’t convert but they will save your soul.)
Ironically “zelots” originally were secular kind of revolutionaries. Not specifically religious motivated but nationalists. Like the “thieves” crucified with Jesus.
Report thisBy konnie, July 14, 2011 at 11:59 am Link to this comment
boy are you a day late and a dollar short. the air force academy was taken over 20 years ago. their leadership makes it quite clear and impossible to not be an evangelical christian and graduate. check the
records…........#1 on WHO gets the congresspersons recommendation to go there in the first place, and how many plebs are bounced out of there in the name
of “doesn’t play well with others”. this should be
a huge scandal but nary a peep…...........
i can only assume the other academies are run in a
similar fashion.
when are the rest of us going to take back our
Report thiscountry from these religeous zealots! isn’t it
like against the constitution or something?
By TDoff, July 14, 2011 at 11:40 am Link to this comment
SarcastiCanuck, if religious people were rational, they’d know that ‘god’, his/her/it’s ownself, was Satan’s ultimate deception…
Report thisBy SarcastiCanuck, July 14, 2011 at 5:21 am Link to this comment
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There is nothing more dangerous than a man who thinks he is fighting for his God.Just look at an Islamic suicide bomber and all of the atrocities committed in history in the name of God.
Report thisFor you religous people,do you think that killing your fellow man in the name of God just might be Satan’s ultimate deception…