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This may be the most powerful video yet to come out of the Wall Street occupation, now heading into its fifth week. It strongly and artfully suggests a comparability between the U.S. government’s response to the nationwide protests and those of regimes challenged by the Arab Spring. —ARK

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By heterochromatic, October 21, 2011 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

99-

it’s sufficiently septic

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By 99percenter, October 20, 2011 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment
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Brilliant video—let’s make it viral!!!

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By OzarkMichael, October 20, 2011 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment

Today communism does not retain the stigma assigned to it from the often deadly Lenin/Stalinist crucible.

It is so nice when people can have a stigma removed. Better yet was the day when there hadnt been a stigma at all yet. Remember how starry eyed and confident, full of what you would call ‘self esteem’ the communists were in the days of old? When they banded together out of ‘concern for their fellow man’? When Leftists felt that every virtue was concentrated in them? How different from today. Or one should say… how similar to today. But yes, communism no longer holds any stigma, at least not to you or OWS. No stigma so all thats left is plenty of what you call ‘self esteem’. 

The premises of each group’s discontentment have nothing in common.

I dont think you are objective enough to define OWS premises accurately.

I also dont think you are objective enough to define Tea Party premises accurately, and please dont try to do so or you might end up writing another one of those torrid posts that even Truthdig would want to delete.

Now a torrid post has never caused me to ‘report’ anyone(I dont even report threats to shoot me), but it does give me pause. That person might later write a toned-down post on the subject, but I am not too inclined to think that person is more clear headed or thoughtful or objective on that topic just because they arent screaming so much. So torrid now or toned-down now, it makes no difference to me, either way I take the accusations with a very big grain of salt, and if there are errors and contradictions in it, i shrug my shoulders and move on.

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By Shenonymous, October 20, 2011 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

Quite right.  I do see a definite difference between the 99%er’s
movement OWS and the Tea Party.  I specified why.  But I have
not said the Tea Partiers have not exercised their right to free
speech and therein lies an example of your penchant for petty
dishonest hyperbole.  Both groups have malcontents.  There has
been no begetting of a double standard.  A double standard is
a set of principles that applies differently and typically more
rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to
another.  Clearly that is not what I’ve done.  The premises of
each group’s discontentment have nothing in common.

The tribes of early man were relatively uncomplicated with a
minimum of hierarchical social levels and virtually had no significant
social distinctions between individuals. Ostensibly this is primitive
communism and it was the “natural” way humans organized themselves.

The notion of communism is not antithetical to the well-being of groups
of people.  It is instinctive.  Economic/Political communism have both
beneficial and damaging elements and it is only from the wisdom gained
from the perception and understanding of human history what essential
features to encourage and which ones not that will promise better social
organization.

Today communism does not retain the stigma assigned to it from
the often deadly Lenin/Stalinist crucible, and the nightmare it was
assigned by the marauding Joseph McCarthy, who relentlessly
persecuted and prosecuted those whose economic sympathies were
felt for the working class. 

A clearer understanding of the principles of socialism and communism
today makes both of these economic approaches to government and
politics alternatives on the political spectrum of small and large
countries. This perspective has worked in China and Cuba, but not in
Soviet Russia. History shows governments based on these alternatives
do not work in the long run as we see China transforming day by day
into a more capitalistic-based economy and the people gaining more
and more personal freedom though still oppressed in the area of
freedom of speech.  For the most part communism works badly mainly
because of the same problem found in all forms of government, the
insatiable hunger for power and wealth by those who ascend to
leadership.  It has been a recipe for tyranny and much misery.  On the
other hand, socialism has works excellently well in countries such as
Sweden and Norway.  Marx’s experiment works only under circumstances
where the people have many freedoms.

It is obvious from the Wall Street fiasco and its utterly detrimental effect
it has had on our nation, which then extended into the entire financial
world that is in a fiscal catastrophe, that capitalism does not work very
well either and for the exactly same reason: The slavish avarice of those
who hold the power wealth brings.  This is the framework for the Occupy
Wall Street protest.

In stark contrast, the constricted focus of the Tea Partiers was to cut
government spending, actually radically pare it down to zilch attacking
all social programs and leaving the populace of little means wobbling
and seesawing to eke out a life.  It is avarice of the Tea Partiers that was
their motivation to protest.

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By OzarkMichael, October 20, 2011 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

Hoffer’s movements have individuals join who lack self-esteem.  The OWSers have a surfeit of self-esteem.  More than enough.  Hoffer’s movements contain people who are descriptive of the Tea Party
members.  It is a distinction of species not genera.

Ah. I realize that there are free individuals in movements you like, but there are True Believer’s in the ones you dont. Self esteem and independence in OWS which you agree with, and mindless shamed followers in the movement you disagree with.

Exercise of free speech and taking responsibility by the Occupation, presumably the opposite by the malcontents of the Tea Party.

I could go on and on, but it isnt exactly better and better. At least you attempt to justify your double standard. Like Leefeller, i thank you for explaining it.

The Communists present from the start at OWS add to the atmosphere. They contributed to the initial strategy, too. I suppose you figure Hoffer doesnt apply to them either? No, that was a silly question.  They are OWS certified, there from the start, at the heart of it and a good heart it surely is, since it is a political view that you find interesting, and its part of a larger movement that you support.

The window dressing of it all is your biologic appeal to a distinction of species. There is no arguing with biological superiority, we must note the distinction of this creature and that creature. From this distinction we must treat them differently. How well i know that. As one of ‘those other’ creatures, properly called an ‘Other’, I observe from a distance that your double standard was expressed beautifully even in the window dressing.

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By Leefeller, October 20, 2011 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

She, after reading your post, I really appreciate your insight into defining Hoffers fanatic compared to the 99 percentiles. I no longer have Hoffers book in my possession, but must get a new copy.

One point may be the loss of the individual to the sweeping collective cause, it appears as if the Occupy Wall Street people are individuals, hence the different signs and issues, definitely not a single cause! This seems to annoy those who want to attack them.

In actuality, the 1 percent and their cronies seem the fanatics, in fact I see little difference between them and the likes of the Libyan dictator who was just allegedly demised! Only difference being we seem to have a 1 percent as dictators, which seemingly smacks on the edge of what appears to me as fascism.

2500 lobbyists lobbied to force Elizabeth Warren out of the White House, this is not a representative republic it seems more like an opportunists horn of plenty.

Get the money out!

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

Buzo——“Paul is a long term congressman
who at least has a set of values that have not changed over the years”

I agree with that. It’s called idée fixe.

that he’s long been staunch in clinging to a delusion (or three) and in being
unswerving in following his beliefs, even when they lead him into taking positions
on issues that are highly impractical and often detrimental to the general welfare,
is not all that wonderful.

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By Shenonymous, October 20, 2011 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

Mustn’t lose sight of the truth, no matter what is one’s leaning.
1.  Tweaking the truth out of hyperbole from the Right.  “Courage
lost, all is lost; it were better not to have been born.”  Something
that would weigh upon his mind the rest of his life once he had
read this Goethe point of view.  Eric Hoffer could well be an agent
provocateur for the Wall Street 99%ers.  Having lived on Skid Row
for too long.  After witnessing a loving incident between a boy and
his father, Hoffer permanently left the life of a vagrant.  A man of
hard physical work as a migrant worker then a longshoreman, and
later as an autodidactic he became a student of the psychology of
large aggregates of people, becoming one of the foremost essayists
on the topic and their behavior.

“When a population undergoing drastic change is without abundant
opportunities for individual action and self-advancement, it develops
a hunger for faith, pride, and unity.  It becomes receptive to all manner
of proselytizing, and is eager to throw itself into collective undertakings
which aim at “showing the world.”  In other words, drastic change, under
certain conditions, creates a proclivity for fanatical attitudes, united
action, and spectacular manifestations of flouting and defiance; it creates
an atmosphere of revolution.  We are usually told that revolutions are set
in motion to realize radical changes.  Actually, it is drastic change which
sets the stage for revolution.  The revolutionary mood and temper are
generated by the irritations, difficulties, hungers, and frustrations
inherent in the realization of drastic change.

Where things have not changed at all, there is the least likelihood of
revolution.”  The Ordeal of Change – pp. 5-6. Eric Hoffer.

It is a big categorical mistake to compare the OWS protesters with
Hoffer’s fanatics.  The protesters in Occupy Wall Street are part of a
different breed of than the ones Hoffer describes in The True
Believer
.  Of the 99%ers who have been featured in the media one
way or another are not as a group asking for .  Their motivation for
revolution is not exactly political, it is social and in comparison with
Hoffer’s radicals are not True Believers in the same sense.  The OWSes
are peaceful, more like those of the Ghandi, ML King, Jr. genre. The
Occupiers on the street are not attempting to escape from responsibility
but are taking responsibility to speak out, to exercise their right to free
speech and assemble to use their freedom not escape it.  It is the
utilitarian practice of freedom.  As a genera, movements are self-
generating and beyond any one person.

Hoffer’s movements have individuals join who lack self-esteem.  The
OWSers have a surfeit of self-esteem.  More than enough.  Hoffer’s
movements contain people who are descriptive of the Tea Party
members.  It is a distinction of species not genera.

Facts: The current recession tailspinning towards a depression was
caused by the following:  a unprecedented collapse of an unregulated
financial industry, a housing bubble sustained by the Bush
administration, debt fueled overwhelmingly by tax cuts for the rich, two
disastrous unfunded wars, and a new unfunded Medicare entitlement.
These events were not Obama’s doing. Not one bit of it. He entered the
White House having inherited the absolute worst legacy since Carter
yielded his Presidential chair to Ronald Reagan. The greatest problem of
moving out of the economic conundrum of unemployment is due without
any doubt in large part to the extreme fiscal indiscretion and stupidity of
the Bush-Cheney Republican limited field of vision.  Yet, the Tea Party
protesters, as instigated by the funds of the wealthy Koch brothers, took
to the streets to angrily denounce the “radical Marxist” in the White
House before Obama had a full breath to take office.

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By Shenonymous, October 20, 2011 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

2.  If OWSers’ hostility and rancor to Wall Street is evoked from
their loss of economic stability, which means their well-being in
this day and age, from where does the Tea Party’s Rightist,
irrational and hysterical hatred of the liberal society come from?
Hoffer would project theirs is “an expression of a desperate effort”
to suppress an awareness of a responsibility for a fair and equitable
commonwealth. This is not the same motivation plaguing the
99%ers.  For surely a healthy society is commonly prosperous!  The
Tea Party Rightists Republicans’ hatred of leftists and the common
population manifests in doing them virulence and grave injustices
to their health, welfare, and educational progress.  This is in stark
contradiction to their very basic Christian values as commanded in their
holy book” Psalm 12:5 “‘Because of the oppression of the weak and the
groaning of the needy, I will now arise,’ says the LORD. I will protect
them from those who malign them.” Luke 6:20-21 “Blessed are you who
are poor, for yours in the kingdom of God. Blessed are you who hunger
now, for you shall be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you
shall laugh.” Proverbs 31:8 “Speak up for those who cannot speak for
themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute.” Luke 3:11 “John
answered, ‘the man with two tunics should share with him who has none,
and the one who has food should do the same.’” Luke 12:33 “Sell your
possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will
not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no
thief comes near and no moth destroys.” 1 Timothy 6:18 “Command
them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and
willing to share.”  That means to share fairly.

Hoffer’s comments about mass movements were not specific to the 80s
Christian mass movements, i.e., Christian Politically Right organizations,
(Evangelicalism actually originated in 1730 in Great Britain, but neo-
evangelicalism is the species of faith today), and such organizations as
the Independent Fundamental Baptists, Maranatha Christian ministries,
Mainline Protestantism that includes Lutheran Confessionalism, the
Heritage movement, and Paleo-Orthodoxy all promoting some form of
creationism or intelligent design.  His focus was to counterargue against
all totalitarian governments or organizations and the kind of fanaticism
engendered by self-righteousness such as can be found in Nazism, and
totalitarian soviet-style communism, and the many authoritarian
religions, where Hoffer theorized that such social organizations are
interchangeable with just a minor shift in ambition.  He took aim and
spent much time discussing Nazism, Communism, Islam and Christianity
as paradigms of this view.  He dramatically he noted fanatical Nazis later
becoming fanatical Communists, fanatical Communists later becoming
fanatical anti-Communists, and Saul, persecutor of Christians, later
becoming Paul, a fanatical Christian.  In Chapter 18, Good and Bad Mass
Movements, of The True Believer, he made a clear distinction
between undesirable mass movements and benign.  OWS is an example
of the latter that gives a positive platform for those with both material
(as in joblessness) and psychological (as in stress from diminishing
resources) insecurities.

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By Buzo Libre, October 19, 2011 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment

they should be more honest but I doubt that saying nice things about the
demonstrations in the Middle east means that they’re committed to entirely
unrelated protests here.

and while I don’t generally care to endorse lying politicians, I’m more inclined to
vote for an insincere SOB than I am to vote for Ron Paul who is sometimes a
delusional one and usually advocating disastrous policies.


You might want to rethink that point heterochromatic. Paul is a long term congressman
who at least has a set of values that have not changed over the years and if you watched
the last debate in Vegas he is the only guy up there with the cajones to tell the truth. I
would love to just wipe the smirk off of Newts face every time Paul tells is the way it is
regarding foreign policy. Paul should be elected based solely on foreign policy. It is not
the governments job to create jobs and never has been and the never should be. Ya go
back to the gold standard, of course that is a bit extreme but how can you not love a guy
who wants to get rid of the federal reserve, I mean really LOL!!!!

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By OzarkMichael, October 19, 2011 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment

OM, I already mentioned the ‘True Believer’ on another thread, causes can be corrupted by opportunists they usually are and I suspect you may be hoping sooner then later. (attempting a little OM mind reading here.)  Right now the cause is simple, the 99 percent against the 1 percent.

                        -Leefeller

Please link to the post where you applied “True Believer” to Occupy Wall Street.

For example these are quotes attributed to Eric Hoffer, and aimed at Christian mass movements in the 80s and the Tea Party at present. Please apply them the Occupy Wall Street, as it is only fair to do so:

I doubt if the oppressed ever fight for freedom. They fight for pride and for power—power to oppress others. The oppressed want above all to imitate their oppressors; they want to retaliate.

Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited opportunities for both.

Maybe you did this work already? It isnt that i dont believe you, i just dont remember. If you have already applied these lessons to OWS, i will apologize most profusely.

On the other hand, if you have not applied Hoffer’s work to the psychology of OWS, I know better than to an expect an apology from a True Believer, celebrating his escape into his mass movement of choice, as Hoffer describes:

Unless a man has the talents to make something of himself, freedom is an irksome burden…. We join a mass movement to escape from individual responsibility, or, in the words of an ardent young Nazi, “to be free from freedom.”

Let me say that I have never purchased Hoffer’s books, but over the years collected upon my person these barbs which were aimed at me and millions of folks like me. Such barbs were accompanied by ‘friendly’ advice that it would be good for me to think about it and not forget it.

Which i have done. So I now have a little treasury of friendly advice. It seems today that this very good medicine needs to be shared, these barbs need to be embraced by OWS Leftists.

As i said from the first, there doesnt seem to be a rush to take this fine medicine and friendly advice in any Truthdig articles or by the posters here. If you, Leefeller, have already taken it i will profusely apologize. Please pop that link up.

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By heterochromatic, October 19, 2011 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

Lee

——” you make it sound as if money should supersede the people”—-

no, I don’t make it sound like that…and there’s not even a hint of it in my
comment.

what I said was that people have a right to all the free speech that they can
muster and there’s no right to limit their speech.


you’re taking an idea (and it’s laudable)  about limiting “influence” when what
you mean to do is avoid bribery, and suggesting the imposition of some
standard that, in practice, would simply create all sorts of other problems
because your rule is aiming at the general population rather than at the conduct
of office-holders and candidates.

I agree with your intent, but don’t understand how it works in practice.

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By Leefeller, October 19, 2011 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment

I have little problem with the concept of people speaking and using their freedom of speech, I have a problem with money and corporations buying politicians like ladies of the night! Occupy Wall Street is an example of people not money voicing their grievances.

heterochromatic, you make it sound as if money should supersede the people, an age old problem, this is the greed factor and inequality the Occupy Wall Street folks are yelling about.

This is the 1 percent opposed the will of the people, simply put money makes everyone not equal!

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By heterochromatic, October 19, 2011 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

——-Does the Omster have a problem with the concept of one person, one dollar
and one vote?———

lot of people have a problem with being told that they can’t use whatever means
that they have to communicate their ideas to the public.


who says that people haven’t the right to say as much of what they wish to say
whenever they wish to say it?

trying to enforce absolute equality always sounds very good and works very
poorly, except as a mechanism retarding discussion and inhibiting change and
freedom.

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By Leefeller, October 19, 2011 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment

When someone appears before me who obviously cannot tell their ass from a hole in the ground, (especially this person) regarding Occupy Wall Street and Eric Hoffer, appearing before me in writing, I find it necessary to take the deluded sot to task!

OM, I already mentiond the ‘True Believer’ on another thread, causes can be corrupted by opportunists they usually are and I suspect you may be hoping sooner then later. (attempting a little OM mind reading here.)  Right now the cause is simple, the 99 percent against the 1 percent. So far this is not a lefty rightly movement, but you must ignore this because it appears your have little comprehension in social movements in general and this one in particular.  After all it must be a commie plot if it is a social movement!

I suggest OM, your absolutist prejudices proceed you, even when reading a fine work like Hoffers and more importantly there must be some sort of mental block in understanding and comprehension of anything not of OMMMMM! So Occupy Wall Street in the mind of OM is a Righty Lefty movement and not a social one? Of course it must be as the rightly conservative OM constantly searches for his staple diet of necessity,... the need to attack liberals, even when they are not present. (I suspect everyone is as in ‘all you liberals’ anyone who is not OM)  since this movement is not liberal or conservative, left or right the frustration is in on the OM and his written word!

Occupy Wall Street right now is a social movement not a left or right movement, it makes the Tea Party look silly and rightly so, this is not a lefty movement, no matter how much Om wishes it to be!

I feel the deck is rigged by the OMs and friends, and they want to keep it that way, me thinks Om protests to much!

Hey OM,... you are right about everything!

Do you have a problem getting the money out of politics?  Does the Omster have a problem with the concept of one person, one dollar and one vote? I happen to support the above concepts

By the way OM we happen to live in a bought an paid for republic not a democracy, (some even say it is an auction) Om you seem to not understand this or maybe you do?

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By cpb, October 19, 2011 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

“It is an important book during those times, applied to
those people, yet strange that it is not mentioned now,
the book is not employed at this time in any of the
Truthdig articles or threads that i know of.”

- OM

For cripes sake Krazo go ahead and make a point if you
have one, a quote perhaps?  Instead you spin a meaningless
fact alleging biased transgression by TDig?  You couldn’t
just make your statement instead?

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By OzarkMichael, October 19, 2011 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

As Occupy Wall Street appeals to frustrated people who are dissatisfied with their current state, but who are capable of a strong faith in their collective will, it gains incredible momentum. The actual goal is ill defined but upon its success the hope of millions is now tied. If that hope is dissapointed, then what?

It behooves us to focus our minds on the psychology of it all. I wonder if it might be a good time to read the following:

The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements by Eric Hoffer

We are all human beings, all of us alike, and therefore we must be reduced and deconstructed with same intensity, cook in the same sauce, roast over the same fire as it were.

Hoffer’s book and every negative aspect of all of Hoffer’s writings are brought forward when conservatives gather, or when Christians gather, in a political or cultural movement. It is an important book during those times, applied to those people, yet strange that it is not mentioned now, the book is not employed at this time in any of the Truthdig articles or threads that i know of.

There is apparently an uplifting evolutionary factor, an elevation of humanity via some new ideology, whereby its adherents gain exemption from the hard analysis, and such application becomes unnecessary. Perhaps this is why Hoffer’s books and other analytical and critical methods collect dust on Truthdig at this crucial time.

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By Shenonymous, October 19, 2011 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

1.  Risking crucifixion, this movement sympathizer says the truth
is that the video is sentimental seductive demagoguery finding all
the buzz words that can be found to construct a catchy bitter hiphop
poem.  Using an art for citizen protest is an infectious business that
attracts all kinds of angry factions who think they have something in
common but the only thing they do have in common is anger.  Anger
is septic.  And caution is advised because anger while useful to get
the journey started, is a get-nowheresville highway.

The protest began as voicing anger at the robber barons of Wall Street. 
And because it has factionalized into all kinds of disaffections, it has
metastasized into a plethora of distantly related gripes that will not have
any force except as a blip in social history.  The only way protest will be
effective is if it has a defined objective.  Otherwise it just looks like an
infant’s tantrum fit.

Start a revolution?  To cause Wall Street to metabolize is what a real
revolution would be!  To make Wall Street do more than merely
metamorphosize from an appearance of change, but to permanently
transform to be financially honest. That is the only result worth this
massive effort.  This video is an editor’s dream and won’t start anything
except to foster more vitriol.  It won’t engender anything positive or
beneficial.

So what if the pathogenic microorganism of discontent has become
pandemic?  There is no single-minded intelligence driving it.  It is
composed of those emotionally motivated by a sense of repression. 
What is the revolution’s intention?  Just to wail and raise fists?  It is
mindless anarchy.  It is inchoate.  It is ambiguous.  Which will never
produce anything significant and when the energy runs out, and it will,
it will be over, having signified only restless dysphoria.

The protesters say they want fairness and a future, according to a
NJ.com headline.  But they don’t specify what fairness means.  It was a
news reporter who too quickly said the protesters want fairness and a
future.  Well…yeah!

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By Shenonymous, October 19, 2011 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

2. From a Denver Post op-ed:  “The protesters on Wall Street are not
against capitalism. They are against big-moneyed special interests
that bribe our elected officials with their campaign contributions.
They are against a government that has come to serve the 1%. 
They are against the 1% who pay off those elected officials to rig
the rules to benefit only 1% of our country.  They are against the
1% who caused the financial collapse with their fraudulent sales of
derivatives, then got bailed out by the 99%. They are against the 30
years of trickle-down economics that has left them with huge debts
and underwater mortgages. They are against 30 years of flat wages
for people who have doubled their productivity while the companies
they work for have increased profits by huge margins. They are
against corporate welfare. They are tired of not having a voice.”

This seems a better description, but voiced by the journalist observer
not any coherent voice of the many.  Again, it is spinning in place.

The OWS are students who pledged their futures for an education and
a middle-class existence to the student loan companies (I am one of
these bound because of the interest rate to pay back for the rest of my
life), only to find an imploded economy and a political system, mani-
pulated for the continuance for the rich, who have no will to fertilize the
country that sustains them.  The protesters are middle-age workers who
have followed the rules and as a result lost their jobs, lost their homes
and lost decent health care. They are seniors who will never be able to
retire and millions of children who have no tomorrow.

They are the dispossesed who believe the wealthy needs taxed at a fair
rate, so the nation will be able to stop the corrosion of its safety nets,
but more importantly, allow the nation to flourish as a whole people not
as a them vs. us.

We all know that the final path to financial reform ends at the ballot box,
but the thronging protestors are the first step.  But a violent revolution
will be counterproductive and is only bound to set back any progress. 
The ballot box will elect politicians who will carry the message of the
people to legislation.  The ballot box will enact local initiatives that will
reconstruct local govern-ments.  And a liberal education, meaning a
broad and objective education,  will give the electorate the ability to
become informed so they can vote to their own best interests.

Hands and feet are ready for the hammer and nails and the planks of
wood in waiting.

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By glider, October 19, 2011 at 6:51 am Link to this comment

Sweet Video !!! Thank you for sharing here grin

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By Marian Griffith, October 19, 2011 at 2:35 am Link to this comment
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@bpawk
—Why aren’t the protesters in Washington at the White House or Congress!—

Because they are right where the real power that controls the nation resides.
It has been a long time since politicians have been in control of anything. They are just the puppet theatre, the reality tv show.
To get elected president you need close to a billion dollars. Only the banks have that kind of money to throw at a candidate. And if you truly believe that they will give that much money and not expect to be repaid and earn a tidy profit of that investment then there really is nothing left to discuss. But I am sure there are medicines for such a psychological condition.

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By JAE SLIM, October 18, 2011 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

This music video is dedicated to the Peaceful Protestors who continue to fight
for their civil rights and Equality around the world. The Song “Lets Start a
Revolution” Is a remix to Lil Wayne’s “Mirror’s”. Remix lyrics were written by Jae
Slim formally known as Jesse Brennan. This Video is Designed to motivate the
people around the world who are afraid to fight for their rights due to the
Brutality of the Law Enforcement. As a member of todays youth, I will continue
to Follow and Fight beside the 99% of this revolution!

I am hoping that through Music, arts, and creativity we can reach the Youth and
Grow together as “The People of the World.” Let our voices be heard!


JaE sLiM - Let’s Start A REVOLUTION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qUusovsUH4

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By heterochromatic, October 18, 2011 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

peter, if many of the people commenting at truthdig realized how much of the oil
and gas for the US comes from Canada, they would be telling you to expect a US
gov’t bombing campaign at any moment.


I’m not sure exactly why you’re wishing for one. couldn’t you be content to get
blown up by yourself and let the rest of Canada struggle on as best they can?

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By peter, October 18, 2011 at 5:40 pm Link to this comment
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Frickin gov.Assholes Same thing here in Canada Funny
how they boo hoo all the other countries but have no
problem kicking the shit out of us.Too bad there’s no
other country that can bomb ours and tell us were doing
it wrong -lol

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By heterochromatic, October 18, 2011 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

Forget Mark Goldman, he’s not transparent.

Vote for Louis Abolafia !!!!

If each one of you votes a few million times for Louis, it’ll end the political process
as we know it….and you can bet the world will sit up and take notice.

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By Mark A. Goldman, October 18, 2011 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

There is more than one way to protest.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/You-Don-t-Have-to-Occupy-t-by-Mark-Goldman-111018-851.html

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By panos, October 18, 2011 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment
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OWStreeters: You are the Change. You are Inspiration. You are the frontline for millions more who still remain silent but who are in solidarity with you. Never give up. And don’t just settle for change, but complete transformation. This our Rennaissance.

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By cpb, October 18, 2011 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

@ OM

I don’t know where the false assumption came from that the
purpose of the film was to document the violence at OWS. 
The film makes a broader statement about hypocrisy, and
does so rather effectively.  Hypocrisy, I assume, is
something you clearly understand and certainly employ,
among other disingenuous tactics.

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By OzarkMichael, October 18, 2011 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

cpb said:

Judging the film on the basis that it doesn’t accurately protray the reality on the ground at OWS is beside the point and irrelevant. A larger picture was being drawn, it is clear enough, and a point well made.


I am suspicious of films which do not need the truth to make their point. Similar efforts by Goebbels were called propaganda. “A large picture was drawn, it was clear enough, and a point well made.”

Your hearty defense of such propaganda has been noted. Do not pretend to me later that you care about the truth.

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By heterochromatic, October 18, 2011 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

cpd——“And I don’t
recall seeing any protesters who were clearly armed, nor
do I recall seeing any officers on their knees in the
street screaming in pain.”——

if you think that the cops aren’t supposed to carry guns because the protesters
don’t have guns….nope, no one is dumb enough for that.

I have to conclude that you’re just being a troll.
wink, wink)

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By cpb, October 18, 2011 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

““calling out” is demonstrating the lack of merit in
someone’s contentions, not
calling them a troll.” - heterchromatic

Calling a spade a spade, in this case, is calling
attention to the motivations of said individual - the
purpose behind the contentions are thus primary, and
worthy of being called out.


“the reality here in NYC is that the whole thing is
bloodless. the protesters are almost entirely peaceful
(if not law-abiding) and the cops are as well.” -
heterchromatic

The cops are “almost entirely peaceful” on the same
level as the protesters?  Surely you jest.  And I don’t
recall seeing any protesters who were clearly armed, nor
do I recall seeing any officers on their knees in the
street screaming in pain.

Judging the film on the basis that it doesn’t accurately
protray the reality on the ground at OWS is beside the
point and irrelevant.  A larger picture was being drawn,
it is clear enough, and a point well made. 

Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury, and nobody enjoys that
luxury nearly so much as those holding all the cards,
and the weapons.

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By balkas, October 18, 2011 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

stop streeting and hit the cellars. sorry, folks, i deeply admire and respect
protesters, but street protests wld not change a single law in u.s., nor prevent a
let alone stop a going war.
a law [or ‘law’: read, please very noisy/chafing nonsense] is still changed in
washington only.

u get at least one person of ur choice in there, that wld be an enormous change
alone. but if u get two, three, 20, 60 in there, well, u’r almost in heaven. tnx

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By Chase, October 18, 2011 at 7:30 am Link to this comment
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“The point is, we don’t need a revolution.  We need simple changes to our
regulations and we need certain people to go to jail.  What we don’t need is
jazz
hands and spirit fingers making it so easy to dismiss legitimate concerns from
“dirty hippies,” because one way or the other, that is exactly how OWS is being
portrayed to “real Americans.”  The tools are there, they just need to be used. 
OWS
gets people talking, but we need everyone, not just college kids with red hair.”

I have marched with “real Americans.” I have marched to the cheers of “real
Americans.” I have marched with union members. I have marched with families.
I have marched with the homeless. I have marched with construction workers. I
have marched with office workers. I have marched with students.  I have
marched with Republicans. I have marched with Democrats. I have marched
with socialists. I have marched with libertarians. I have marched with anarchists.
I have marched with the young and with the old. I have marched with people of
all colors and creeds. We are the real Americans.

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By steffi, October 18, 2011 at 7:20 am Link to this comment
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Not all revolutions need be bloody - the non violent protests of Gandhi, The
Egyptians, Martin Luther King and the young Chinese at Tieannmen Square are
examples of this. Yes it is true that governments crack down using force, but
when that happens the ground swelling of people protesting grows. Other
coutries start taking actions too. The government can only go so far before it
realizes that change is needed or they will loose power.
OWS is not about either political side (Repb vs Dems) but the corruption that
has invaded our system of governing. Our politicians have set themselves up as
part of the elite - giving themselves what they deny their constituants, but
using our tax dollars to pay. They accept money from corportions that make
money on those votes about policies that affect the people they are supposed
to represent. Our representatives are supposed to vote for the peoples and the
country’s best interest - not their own.
If most of OWS votes for Obama, I wouldn’t be surprised -but they were
somewhat attacking even the democrats in this video. Too many people still see
this as a left wing tea party kinda movement instead of understanding that it is
a powerful movement that is not to be highjacked by either political party. That
they are protesting both political parties because both parties have corruption
in them. The movement is about telling our elected officials that we are not
fools, that we know what is going on, that we have had enough and we really do
want changes made. Term limitations for everyone, no more special interest
groups that pile on money for pork barrel projects, just for starters. Maybe a
limitation on the money that an elected offical receives for pay too. Why should
they get paid for life? Do any of us have that guarentee?
So maybe this video was a bit rushed but I think that the message they were
trying to get across was realized!

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By Jeremy Deville, October 18, 2011 at 6:39 am Link to this comment
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and what? You actually thought you lived in a civil and free society? I promise you that if they could get away with it the would also open fire on the people just like in the arab countries. We are the most hypocritical country in the world.

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By thethirdman, October 18, 2011 at 6:23 am Link to this comment

@MatthewGore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI

Bam!  Fast forward to 1:03 to watch both jazz hands and spirit fingers galore.  The
rest of the video is a shit show as well, so please continue to watch.  Good day, sir.

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By MatthewGore, October 17, 2011 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment

id love to see this “jazz hands” buzzword alot of #OWS
opponents are tossing around, I’ve been paying very
good attention, and I see this term used over and over
but have yet to see the classic Jazz Hands!

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By glider, October 17, 2011 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

“This film was painstakingly put together. Perfectly edited. I still give it 5/5 stars for its laborious agitprop. “

At a minimum it is much better than your own sloppy right wing “agittripe”.

To correct my earlier attempt to link Greewald’s comment, it is found here in the update section.

http://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald/

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By OzarkMichael, October 17, 2011 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

worldsaquarium said: This film was most likely hastily put together but it clearly shows that what government officials say about the arab spring is completely relevant to the OWS movement.

This film was painstakingly put together. Perfectly edited. I still give it 5/5 stars for its laborious agitprop.

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By Shenonymous, October 17, 2011 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

It is naive to think changes are simple.

Ron Paul’s most delusional one, and there are a few in competition,
is his creed that women don’t own their own bodies.

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By thethirdman, October 17, 2011 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

The point is, we don’t need a revolution.  We need simple changes to our
regulations and we need certain people to go to jail.  What we don’t need is jazz
hands and spirit fingers making it so easy to dismiss legitimate concerns from
“dirty hippies,” because one way or the other, that is exactly how OWS is being
portrayed to “real Americans.”  The tools are there, they just need to be used.  OWS
gets people talking, but we need everyone, not just college kids with red hair.

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By heterochromatic, October 17, 2011 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

—-Officials must be held accountable for their words. With all its flaws this
video
relevant and the point should be well taken. Hypocrisy pervades the political
system with few exceptions and can be well demonstrated within the GOP
candidates for the upcoming 2012 elections and of course Obama himself.
Perhaps with the only exception of Ron Paul for the GOP most politicians will
say anything they most to get elected and re-elected.——


they should be more honest but I doubt that saying nice things about the
demonstrations in the Middle east means that they’re committed to entirely
unrelated protests here.

and while I don’t generally care to endorse lying politicians, I’m more inclined to
vote for an insincere SOB than I am to vote for Ron Paul who is sometimes a
delusional one and usually advocating disastrous policies.

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By glider, October 17, 2011 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment

Along these same lines Glenn Greenwald has a nice comment on the absurdity of the recent talking point that “OWS is undemocratic” at

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/wall_streets_opponents_are_not_moving_20111016/

>>In Slate, Anne Applebaum actually argues that the Wall Street protests are anti-democratic because of their “refusal to engage with existing democratic institutions.” In other words, it’s undemocratic to protest oligarchic rule; if these protesters truly believed in democracy, they would raise a few million dollars, hire lobbying firms filled with ex-political officials, purchase access to and influence over political leaders, and then use their financial clout to extract the outcomes they want. Instead, they’re attempting to persuade their fellow citizens that we live under oligarchy, that our democratic institutions are corrupted and broken, and that fundamental change is urgent<<

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By glider, October 17, 2011 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment

It is fascinating and revealing how upset right wing extremists get when the people identify and direct their anger at the source of the problem, the elite puppet masters as represented by Wall Street. No, they instead insist you ignore the dangling controlling strings and go demonstrate against the guberment.

To them I say let’s make a deal.  Help us remove the government from the control of Corporate/Wall Street money, and the people will appropriately move all their demonstations down to Washington should they become unhappy with their representatives.  But right now those guys are corporate representatives, so the protesters are smart enough to take their demonstrations straight to the source of the problem.

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By heterochromatic, October 17, 2011 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment

cpb, “calling out” is demonstrating the lack of merit in someone’s contentions, not
calling them a troll.

calling it “film-making” is fine. all sorts of fictive films are made. pointing out that
the film isn’t a real depiction pf events is also fine.


the reality here in NYC is that the whole thing is bloodless. the protesters are
almost entirely peaceful (if not law-abiding) and the cops are as well.

30+days into this in New York and there’s been less violence than at the annual St
Patrick’s Day or Puerto Rican Day parade. Maybe less than at an extra-inning
Yankees-Red ox game at the Stadium.

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By worldsaquarium, October 17, 2011 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment
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This film was most likely hastily put together but it clearly shows that what
government officials say about the arab spring is completely relevant to the
OWS movement.

Officials must be held accountable for their words. With all its flaws this video
relevant and the point should be well taken. Hypocrisy pervades the political
system with few exceptions and can be well demonstrated within the GOP
candidates for the upcoming 2012 elections and of course Obama himself.
Perhaps with the only exception of Ron Paul for the GOP most politicians will
say anything they most to get elected and re-elected.

The system is broken it does need to change, the only question which remains
is how much and how fast.

For many, those in the OWS movement, in the words of our first black
president,  might go something like this.


Now, we really are the ones we have been waiting for!!!

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By cpb, October 17, 2011 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

@ heterchromatic

Name calling?  It’s called ‘calling out’.  OzarkM is a
classic troll and I’m not going to waste time trying to
prove it to you.  His BS is ubiquitous in these threads
and he’s ramped up his game recently, apparently
inspired by OWS.

What you are referring to as ‘intentional editing’ is
called ‘film-making’.  If you don’t think police
violence against protesters is a reality, and one that
deserves some attention, then perhaps you’ve spent too
much time taking in MSM and believing in THOSE
DISTORTIONS.

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By heterochromatic, October 17, 2011 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

@cpb—- knock off the name calling.


there’s more than a little truth in the claim that the stuff is intentionally edited to
distort.

the clip passing around showing some guy thrashing on the ground and
screaming in agony supposedly because a cop intentionally drove a scooter onto
his leg and broke it…..doesn’t pass the smell test.

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By OzarkMichael, October 17, 2011 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

Ok, thanks cpb, for the permission.

I nominate the law student who gave the agitprop(that means Leftist propaganda) film its name, “I Will Not be Moved.”

Because he says ‘I Wont be Moved!’ but then announces that indeed he plans to move. He plans to do something that will get him arrested. That is his first move. Soon he will be taken to the police station, thats the second move.

Thats a lot of moving. For what exactly?  First he volutary makes a move that got him arrested. Wonder what it was? Isnt that important? We dont know if he stabbed someone or if he jaywalked. And thanks to this fine film you will never know. The film makes it look like he was arrested just for talking, just for being black and daring to speak out for equal rights. Is it racism that made me conclude that? No, the Producer of the film did that by running MLK next to the law student’s soliloquy.

Which brings me to the overall award winner:

The real winner has to be the Producer of the film. He beautifully edits and splices so the viewer cannot tell what really happened at any point, providing only the apparently meaningless assault by police, who inflict slow motion suffering of innocents for no reason whatsoever. In fact it is so heavily edited that I give it a “5” out of “5 stars”. It is designed only to make you feel,  because you dont need to know what happened. Umm Ummm! Down home propaganda movies just like Stalin used to make!

“I Will Not be Moved” is pure agitprop for the whole family to enjoy. On the Chris Hedges scale of intentional bias for the sake of Leftist propaganda, I think “I Will Not be Moved” tops the charts. Watch it, because its good for you. Leftists dont need to understand what happened, they just need to be angry about it.

cpb, that was a good post i just gave at your request. Penetrating analysis presented with a dramatic flair. And it made its point, it is true, so true, so that your only defense against me is to yell ‘Troll! OM is a troll!”

deal with the issue, cpb. The film was agitprop. period. Try to defend the film, or be exposed for the troll that thou art!

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By dbmetzger, October 17, 2011 at 10:25 am Link to this comment
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“Occupy Wall Street” Occupies the World  
Demonstrators in major world cities stage marches in
concert with New York City’s “Occupy Wall Street”
protests http://www.newslook.com/videos/362142-occupy-
wall-street-occupies-the-world?autoplay=true

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By OzarkMichael, October 17, 2011 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

Well, I seem to recall that the Tea Party itself was founded on the lack of acceptance of a certain Democrat “nigger” being voted into office in a landslide.

Nice lie. The Tea Party did not exist because of Obama being elected. He had a normal 70% approval rating when he took office and I was one who was glad for him.

But now that you are against Obama, i guess that makes you racist too?

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By cpb, October 17, 2011 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

“Can I nominate any of the protestors for acadamy
awards?  You know, like best actor? Best instigator?
Best producer for editing out the part that shows the
cop getting hit in the head before he roughs up the
“innocent person”?”

- OzarkM.

Nominate who you like Krazo - why do you ask permission
to be a troll when we all know you have no intention of
scaling back your hypocritical BS. 

I nominate you for Troll Numero Uno Krazo.  Or would you
prefer Troll of the Month?  though I can’t see anyone
else on the horizon you might have to compete with in
November…. 

You have no integrity Krazo, you are a sham and a clown.

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By EmileZ, October 17, 2011 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

Here is another good one…

Danny Glover at Occupy Oakland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf5NdnDtcK0

(thanks Democracy Now.org)

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By pi314, October 17, 2011 at 7:31 am Link to this comment
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“I note that no one is criticizing Obama in the OWS crowd”

You must not be looking very hard then, cus there’s PLENTY of criticism of Obama.  And yes, we probably all will vote for him again next year because every possibility in the Repugnant Party is 100 times worse.

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By bpawk, October 17, 2011 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

Come next November the OWS crowd will sheepishly vote for Obama again even though he betrayed them on major issues - I note that no one is criticizing Obama in the OWS crowd, even though they acknowledge government AND corporate America are to blame for the mess - it is suspicious that no one is protesting the government - if the govt is the co-conspirator against democracy, they deserve equal ‘protest time’ as Wall Street. Why aren’t the protesters in Washington at the White House or Congress!

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By heterochromatic, October 16, 2011 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

thethirdman—-“Every 99 of you pick a single cop and demonstrate
the “show of force” NYPD is so fond of parading”


you’re sort of a “show or farce”. maybe you need to finish school,move out and
see the world a bit.


First thing, you need to learn is that these kids are not getting beat up by the
cops. 

Go do your homework

and save talking about violence till later.

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By NZDoug, October 16, 2011 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

Revolutions are made with guns.
Hang on, it’s coming to a town near you….

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By thethirdman, October 16, 2011 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment

Revolutions cannot be made with rose water.

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By gerard, October 16, 2011 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

third man:  Sure to get a comment out of Gerard on this one:
“American Revolution
French Revolution
Haitian Revolution
Bolshevic Revolution
Iranian Revolution
All had mixed results, but there was one thing they all shared.” BLOOD AND GUTS. DEATH. INSANITY. REGRET.MAYHEM.POINTLESSNESS. WASTE.
But excuse me. That’s more than one thing, isn’t it?
Take your pick.  Any one is enough.

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By thethirdman, October 16, 2011 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

Yawn.  This is not a revolution.  This is silly kids getting beat up by the cops. 
The funny thing about power is that it takes relatively small, concentrated, and
aggressive acts to subdue the masses.  You want Wall Street/Government to be
scared of your movement?  Every 99 of you pick a single cop and demonstrate
the “show of force” NYPD is so fond of parading.  Then when you’re done, pick
some targets that really deserve it.  Maybe start with the men and women of
Goldman Sachs….
American Revolution
French Revolution
Haitian Revolution
Bolshevic Revolution
Iranian Revolution
All had mixed results, but there was one thing they all shared.
Again, this is not a revolution.  This is young people who don’t really know
what to do, but refuse to take action that really matters.

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By gerard, October 16, 2011 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

Ozark, you are too funny!  Springfield, Missouri, is getting too much publicity. Every channel in Springfield,Missouri, 560,000 pop. give or take,  covered it?  That would be too many? Or too much?   
  Protesters shouldn’t produce films and videos of their activities—or at least we here on TD should’t be “forced” to watch them. People shouldn’t bash cops over the head but when cops bash people over the head, that’s okay?  Right wingers can whine about bad media coverage (“the NYT is a liberal rag” etc.) but leftists should not complain?
  Sadly, since most media are capitalistic corporations, “leftish” news is routinely twisted—sometmes slightly, sometimes completely, depending upon ideological prejudices. I couldn’t help but notice, in looking at some videos of curreent round the world protests, scenes of violence were much overplayed and shots of sane crowds of marching people, often smiling, were passed over more quickly. The corporate press will feature violence whenever and wherever they find it.  I learned that in Journalism School 70 years ago.  Think on that, Ozark. Prejudice hasn’t changed much in 70 years.
When Hedges says human progress is a “myth” I deny him, but secretly I wonder.  However, keep fighting—er ... nonviolently, of course.  Grrrr!

As to Japan ... well, grrrrrr!  Japan has both a Socialist and a Communist Party—official, both run candidates, some of whom get elected on a regular basis. The U.S. has, and for a half-century has had, so much influence over Japan that everything from U.S. gets publicity. Feeling isolated causes Japan to also publicize “foreign” news of any kind extensively. Also because of feelings of isolation, Japanese people tend to want to “take part in world affairs”, which causes more interest in foreigners than you might expect.
  The US, on the other hand, feels so superior to every other nation in the world that its people are (by habit and cultural prejudices) “not very interested” in foreign news etc.—Unless “we” are “winning”, of course. Japanese protests are also known (unfortunately) for head-bashing tactics, so I hope this time they were less antagonistic, but I wouldn’t know as I don’t watch TV.

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By OzarkMichael, October 16, 2011 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

Obviously, the government does not have a clue.  Instead of inventing ways to help the movement move forward into a national, broadly democratic search…

Obviously, you want the government to bend the rules and break the rules, and maybe make some new rules so Occupy Wall Street can have its way.  Those rules would not be legislated, or subject to the normal democratic system, they would be specially created for you and you alone so you can ‘move forward’.

It’s a long and complicated process, but so far, excellent!  Nonviolence is working and millions of people are hopeful.

The Hope of Millions. That is powerful. I wonder what rules must be made to ensure that Hope moves forward? Rules the President makes would be made under the pressure is actually a form of intimidation by the so called “99%”. Those would not be laws exactly. They would be ‘exemptions’. Yes, special exemptions for the Occupiers. I wonder, are those exemptions going to be extended to anyone like me(you know, the Tea Party)?

That is what you call Justice? I call it a double standard.

Millions upon millions are “hopeful”, and if their hopes are not met, then what? Hmmn, lets not think about that. Its a mess. Dashed hopes and frustrated rage of millions all mixed together in a volatile situation called Occupy Wall Street. Anything might happen. There is an implied threat behind these ‘high hopes’ and thats what OWS needs as leverage for change.

Lets instead imagine that Occupation hopes succeed. Happy thoughts, eh?

As a result, the Left will wield power without voting, and these changes came about by revolutionary methods.

Now p[lease permit an unpleasant intrusion in all that democratic direct action, namely, an election is coming. There are an awful lot of conservative people, and independents are a fickle lot. We might vote against all the gains you made. If the election goes to a Republican who wont grant you the exemptions…

Then what? Well, didnt you just get what you wanted by intimidation?  So you Leftists will need to resort to bigger threats and more force and more intimidation for more special rules. Why not?

You call that Liberty, since you represent “99%”.

I call it Tyranny, and I am the first and only person to say so. But one person is enough because it is the truth.

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By skimohawk, October 16, 2011 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

have you any evidence, or any documented reports of police being assaulted? kindly post the URL where I may find such reports and/or video.
or is that merely a wildly speculative incendiary remark?

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By OzarkMichael, October 16, 2011 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

A week ago there were 20 Occupiers at Springfield, Missouri. There were 30 reporters and news crew. Every channel covered it and now there are more Occupiers now. I dont know for sure, I stopped watching the coverage.

There might have been 200 Occupiers in Japan. They got national and international coverage.

All the Leftist complaining that the media doesnt pay attention to them has always been ridiculous. Many Leftists are still complaining that it isnt enough, it isnt the right kind of coverage, etc etc. whine whine.

Now we are all supposed to watch agitprop films produced by the protestors?

ok i will watch it. First I want to know: Do i need a shovel to plow my way through piles of crap? Can i at least get a barf bag before I watch it?

Can I nominate any of the protestors for acadamy awards?  You know, like best actor? Best instigator? Best producer for editing out the part that shows the cop getting hit in the head before he roughs up the “innocent person”?

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By Shenonymous, October 16, 2011 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

I agree with everything you said, gerard, but I was responding to
the implication from the introductory paragraph above by ARK to
the video was that there was some National police, (which there
aren’t any) or military force involved similar to what is happening
in the Arab countries’ protests.

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By skimohawk, October 16, 2011 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

I couldn’t help but think of the advice of G. Gordon Liddy: “Head shots! Head shots!”

What’s needed here is head shots: full-front facial shots, in focus. Namesplates. Badge numbers. Close up. In focus. (Preferably with dates and timers running in the camera.)
I want to see and be able to recognize the faces of those swinging the batons, dragging girls off by the hair, etc.

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By gerard, October 16, 2011 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous:  Obviously, the government does not have a clue.  Instead of inventing ways to help the movement move forward into a national, broadly democratic search for understanding and creative solutions to injustice and gross disparities, and seeking the help of “the public”  by including them in a huge national learning experience, it dawdles and hopes for some excuse to suppress, some way to coerce or undermine. 
  Why are they clueless?  Because of established exclusionist habit, and because they are blind-sided by communication technologies.
  Maybe if some really wise people with “clout” nnd “access” step forward with some realistic suggestions of how to help implement, give weight and access to, and deepen the power and intention of this movement to strengthen democratic values ...
  It’s a golden opportunity, and I hope it won’t be missed.  If and when government should happen to wake u to the possibilities of this movement, however, we who support the movement will have to work hard to prevent government from co-opting and perverting.
  It’s a long and complicated process, but so far, excellent!  Nonviolence is working and millions of people are hopeful.

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By Shenonymous, October 16, 2011 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

What exactly is the US government’s response to the nationwide
protests?

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By heterochromatic, October 16, 2011 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

I’m with that histrionic kneeling dude in my assessment of this vid “...not moving”.

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By gerard, October 16, 2011 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

It’s happening.  It is bound to happen.  Hang onto the nonviolence.  That’s what’s new—and absolutely inspiring!  King lives!  Gandhi lives!
Mandela lives! The future is in the winge—of the dove.

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