conception not inception

RE:OzarkMichael, November 21 at 6:30 pm

This is JDMysticDJ’s attack: Yes it is!

O[B]zerk Michael takes an outrageous and cruel act perpetrated by the Right; twists it and turns it and directs it at the Left, as if the Left were the real perpetrators.

“Liar. My first post was an admission that the police went too far. They crossed the line. My second post was a response to some Lefties here who want to push kids to the front and put them in harm’s way.”

First I must say that I was unaware of the incident posted on U-tube so I apologize for jumping to conclusions. In my own defense I’ll say that after witnessing your many fantasies and distortions jumping to the conclusion that you were fantasizing is not an illogical progression.

Putting kids in harm’s way is an example of very poor judgment indeed. Staying out of harm’s way is almost always the best course of action for us all, and that would be especially true for children. Adults who choose to put themselves in harm’s way do so for a variety of reasons. People who choose to put themselves non-violently in harm’s way for a good cause are courageous and as is the case for the students at U.C. Davis, heroic. The use of the word harm is interesting. I’ll ask what is the source of the mentioned harm? My opinion is that the source of harm comes from battle clad goons whose only weapon against non-violence is violence.. I frequently ponder the psychology behind wanting to become a police ossifer [sic]. I suppose the rationale given by Police State types is that they want to bring “Evil doers” to justice. Justice is a noble concept indeed, and actually upholding justice would be an admirable profession. I’ve noticed that Police ossifers [sic] are very big on this justice thing, ascribing to themselves the duties of Judge, Jury, and Executioners. If one wishes to avoid the type of justice administered by police ossifers [sic] the first thing is not to resist arrest in any way shape or form. Two types of resistance seem to be most infuriating to police ossifers [sic]; the first being non-violent resistance and the second being having a smart mouth. I’m familiar with the sound of police batons bouncing off of my skull for the crime of having a smart mouth. Regarding the psychology of becoming a Police ossifer [sic], that psychology seems to be only more pathological after becoming a member of an us against them cult of brother hoods. I’ve noticed that the first order of business for Police ossifers [sic] when investigating a crime is to investigate the victim. Occasionally bad cops go really, really bad; stealing drugs and money from drug dealers and sometimes using people for target practice pumping so many bullets into them that they have to reload and start all over again. Of course these incidents are rare and just punishments for these incidents are also rare. Many people wonder why certain evil doers go unpunished while other lesser evil doers are abducted by the evil doers and warehoused in jails and prisons deprived of all privileges and privacy; being herded around like cattle or dangerous beasts that must be restrained by chains, having their rectums examined and whatnot. When one stops to think about it, it is quite humorous but only the not so dangerous and chained evil doers see the humor. The Police are generally not endowed with much of a sense of humor, unless it is a sick and cruel sense of humor. When in prison it becomes obvious that there are dangerous and cruel prisoners, they’re most often called trustees. Meanwhile there are corporate conglomerates getting fat on the warehousing. But I digress.

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RE:OzarkMichael, November 21 at 6:30 pm (Cont.)

Now, back to the issue at hand, you have accused me of being a liar but I dispute the contention that I am a liar. A lie is most often defined as being, “a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.” I have not deliberately or intentionally made a false statement about you. If I am guilty of anything I am guilty of noticing that you are an irrational, right-wing, Left hating, looney who offers his distorted, perceptions without compunction, and an obfuscator devoid of rational thinking perhaps intentionally and deliberately. Do you deny that you have attempted, by twisting and turning, to obfuscate the event under discussion here and to redirect the perception of evil towards those harmed and away from those who are doing the harming. Your apparent contention is that both sides are equally guilty of causing harm, but they are not, unless one has a warped sense of what causing harm is. Yes, non-violent occupiers and others may be doing some harm to Wall Street types and other reprobates but that harm is not violent, is it? Other than the single incident in Oakland where self proclaimed anarchists (Outside agitators) burned a barricade and perpetrated some acts of vandalism can you provide any U-tube videos of Occupiers committing acts of violence? The kinds of violence I’m thinking of here would be fracturing a skull, rupturing a spleen, inflicting blows that cause a still birth in a young pregnant mother who declared her pregnancy and asked for permission to leave a protest, spraying chemical weapons and beatings with clubs, tasers, etc. 

You correctly write:

“I am not the one who suggested putting kids and old ladies first. Nor would I ever do such a thing.”

I’ll take you at your word that you would not suggest or do such a thing, nor would I. It might surprise you to learn that I am opposed to the killing of fetuses, by Doctors and by brutal thugs who call themselves public servants. This incident of two public servants beating and in tandem heavily spraying pepper spray into the eyes of a young woman who revealed that she was pregnant should arouse the ire of Right to Lifers, don’t you think? You’ll have to admit this incident might reveal some hypocrisy; Right to Lifers ordinarily believe that life is sacred from inception to birth, but following birth not so much, after birth it seems that life loses its sacred status to many Right to Lifers.
After viewing the U-tube videos you linked to, not surprisingly, I have different interpretation than yours as to what transpired.

You write:
The Occupy mom answers “This is our protest and they ought to allow us” and “The police are the only ones who harmed them!”

My point exactly.
An Occupy sister says “We are the 99% so we have a right to speak up!”

I’m uncertain as to whether the women in these videos were sisters. I’m not saying they weren’t sisters; maybe you have some evidence proving that they were sisters. If you do then I can understand why you would identify them as sisters. If not, your identifying them as sisters is curious.

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RE:OzarkMichael, November 21 at 6:30 pm (Cont.)

You write:
 
“They planted their kids in front of their confrontational protest, so the guards have to move the children in order to open the doors. The mom stepped back to film it while a sister hugs the kids and holds them down. i find this disgusting.”

In the U-tube videos you provided I was unable to identify the mother. If the particular protest here was too confrontational it is not revealed by the videos. Comforting children who have been terrorized by police is not at all unexpected. What you call “holding them down” is clearly an attempt to comfort them.

I have attended many demonstrations and protest marches where parents brought their children, holding them in their arms with obvious pride. Those children were an inspiration to protestors. It takes a very sick and twisted mind to believe that those children were intended to be human shields. Having visited Breitbart TV (Incidentally “Breitbart TV” has become a synonym for yellow journalism) and having read the comments there, such as, “The children should be taken away from the parents and the parents should have the crap beaten out of them only reinforces my belief that many from the Right are cretins of the worst sort. It should be pointed out that the videos provided came from “Conservative” sources. Having seen Breitbarts previous videos that were falsified and creatively edited to put forth falsehoods intended to falsely incriminate members of a grass roots get out the vote organization and a former government employee Shirley Sherrod I give little credence to these videos you have provided. It’s only normal that single mothers of limited income who want to participate in Occupy Wall Street events would bring their children. Given the police’s propensity for violence doing so is questionable but claiming that they bring their children to use as human shields is what is “disgusting.”

You write:

“This next video is a little more dangerous. The same kiddie cart is now on the street(probably the same two kids) with a wall of Occupiers, blocking a car from moving forward. The driver might not have seen the kids down that low. Very dangerous. If the driver happened to have gotten scared and slowly puished forward, what would have happened?”

This scenario by you is convenient for your argument. Given that there is a video of an Occupy Wall Street protestor being hit by a car, (I once new a cretin such as you who proudly proclaimed that he ran into a bicycle rider, out of anger, who was directing traffic during a protest) putting children in harms way shows poor judgment but the contention that the children were being used as human shields is pure fabrication coming from those who have an irrational hatred of the Left. You O[B]zerk Michael like to portray yourself as being rational and fair but your hatred of the Left is palpable, and you, in each and every post,  seek to demonize the Left.

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RE:OzarkMichael, November 21 at 6:30 pm (Cont.)

You write:

“These people are clearly putting the kids in harms way at Occupy confrontations, just like bpawk was saying.”

[B]pawk’s comment was thoughtless and I firmly believe that the comment was only made with the suggestion that the police might be given pause before becoming violent if children and old people were involved. Sadly your video and the incident in Seattle where an 82 year old woman had pepper spray sprayed directly into her eyes, leaving her in pain for days, shows that the police would not hesitate to use violence where children and old people are involved.

You write:
“JDMysticDJ, you said it was my fantasy. No. Sadly, it is part of the Occupy arsenal. It is evil. 
It is your hate filled mind that apparently supports such evil methods. If you dont condemn the use of kids at the front lines of Occupy protests, everyone will assume that you support the idea.

Why dont you write one of your two page posts explaining why its ok to place kids in the Occupy front lines?”

You are a sick, demented, hate filled, lunatic. The contention that using kids as human shields is a part of the Occupy Wall Street “arsenal” illustrates the validity of the insults I’ve directed at you.

Is my mind filled with hate? There is a fine line between hate and disgust, my belief is that such as you are not worthy of being hated. You and your ilk are poor demented fools worthy of no respect or consideration. I’ll save my hatred for soldiers who kill Afghanis for sport and for terrorists on both sides of current conflicts who have no concern for collateral damage.

This post has been more than two pages; two pages are inadequate to refute the hateful nonsense of fools like you. Not being privileged to an understanding of, or having any certainty about divine retribution, I can only hope that your destiny will be the destiny you so justly deserve. To be more succinct; go to hell! The shame is all yours! 

SHAME!

Good one, Clash!

Then if we are to move (jump through hoops on command)so as not to be beaten, sprayed by chemicals or shot, it would only make sense to , when ordered (asked nicely)we should disrobe and move to our place inline, so they can provide the soothing showers that will allow this cultures final solution to those that aren’t in step.

Whoops…forget some people may not be up on the news. Here you go: “CLGC’s memo proposes that the ABA pay CLGC $850,000 to conduct “opposition research” on Occupy Wall Street in order to construct “negative narratives” about the protests and allied politicians. The memo also asserts that Democratic victories in 2012 would be detrimental for Wall Street and targets specific races in which it says Wall Street would benefit by electing Republicans instead.”

I see that the internet posters for lobbying firm of Clark, Lytle, Geduldig & Cranford (close chums w/Boehner don’tcha know) are busy getting trolls to cover the internet with the sad, sorry charge that “OWS put children in harm’s way to advance their cause!” They forget that most Americans HAVE brains and eyes. Very entertaining to read the phony outrage on this page though. You have to wonder: How much are they paying these creeps per post?

Cal Davis is a model Teaching Environment.  Students get first-hand experience in Corporate Police State brutality and subjugation.  Our graduates have tasted the Real World before ever stepping into it.  They leave our school completely radicalized and ready to Hit the Streets.

Stop all tuition payments to the College, and demand full refunds.

This is JDMysticDJ’s attack:

O[B]zerk Michael takes an outrageous and cruel act perpetrated by the Right; twists it and turns it and directs it at the Left, as if the Left were the real perpetrators.

Liar. My first post was an admission that the police went too far. They crossed the line. My second post was a response to some Lefties here who want to push kids to the front and put them in harm’s way.

JDMysticDJ continues:

Out of his demented hate filled mind comes a fantasy about parents forcing their terrified, crying children, to become martyrs for the holy cause.

The evil is transparent and easily recognized here.

I am not the one who suggested putting kids and old ladies first. Nor would I ever do such a thing.

As far as Leftist Occupiers putting kids in harms way, lets look at some evidence. Here is a video, look at the bottom and you can see a dark green kiddie cart with two children inside it, placed there to block a door:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=roxvNzyhrp8

Here is the same event, but this time after the kids have been moved aside. The puzzled camara guy asks over and over again…“Why are you putting kids in harms way”?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03P1ItyftzQ&feature=related

The Occupy mom answers “This is our protest and they ought to allow us” and “The police are the only ones who harmed them!”

An Occupy sister says “We are the 99% so we have a right to speak up!”

They planted their kids in front of their confrontational protest, so the guards have to move the children in order to open the doors. The mom stepped back to film it while a sister hugs the kids and holds them down. i find this disgusting. 

This next video is a little more dangerous. The same kiddie cart is now on the street(probably the same two kids) with a wall of Occupiers, blocking a car from moving forward. The driver might not have seen the kids down that low. Very dangerous. If the driver happened to have gotten scared and slowly puished forward, what would have happened?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26fuglmHlxk&feature=related

These people are clearly putting the kids in harms way at Occupy confrontations, just like bpawk was saying.
JDMysticDJ, you said it was my fantasy. No. Sadly, it is part of the Occupy arsenal. It is evil. 

It is your hate filled mind that apparently supports such evil methods. If you dont condemn the use of kids at the front lines of Occupy protests, everyone will assume that you support the idea.
Why dont you write one of your two page posts explaining why its ok to place kids in the Occupy front lines?

Putting kids in harms way for your holy cause is disgusting.

SHAME!

This disgusting display of horrific torture of the innocent by police makes my skin crawl with hatred for them. The already out-of-control police can and will bring out the big guns. Nobody seems to make a serious effort to take them down for blatant violence against anyone. Cops are almost always right and rarely found to be at fault.

It seems like every police group is already armed to the teeth and ready to take on protesters at every level. They will do everything it takes to stop us.

An internal war in this country is raging and it is the 1% who control almost all the power that will try to make the 99% basically disappear. The power brokers want us to fade away and they will use every weapon there is to do it. That includes media propaganda, lock-up, physical abuse, and murder.

Expect everything that technology offers to stop the protests,including the use of drones and bioweapons to poison those who participate. They can use sound that stops us from functioning. This is going to be a long rough ride!

“Don’t tase me, spray me, poison me, or shoot me; bro!” I am merely protesting and speaking my mind.

Man, talk about being afraid, THEY are the ones with
guns, helmets, bullet proof vests and, of course,
pepper spray.  Man up, boys, if you can remember how.

By one regular: “You’re wrong, SoTexGuy.”

It’s happened before and will yet again! .. in this case I don’t think I am wrong about the signs of sociopathy..

But to each his or her own.

http://www.kqed.org/radio/listen/ “Are riot police sent in for health code violations? For peaceful protest on a college campus? This is bull shit, America. How many times did the ARMED Tea Party get pepper sprayed by riot police? What a joke!

You’re wrong, SoTexGuy.  After awhile one becomes inured: See http://peppersprayingcop.tumblr.com/

The only human responses to the gassing or other abuse of seated, non-threatening protesters are empathy for the victims and shock and anger at the authorities or others responsible.

If one’s personal response and opinion of the incident differs much from that he or she is sociopathic.

Adios!

O [B] zerk Michael takes an outrageous and cruel act perpetrated by the Right; twists it and turns it and directs it at the Left, as if the Left were the real perpetrators.

Out of his demented hate filled mind comes a fantasy about parents forcing their terrified, crying children, to become martyrs for the holy cause.

The evil is transparent and easily recognized here.

Finally when the youth have engaged the democratic constitutional process, which is their right, especially in a peaceful protest on a college campus, the thugs the government-corporatocracy have hired to keep peace, behave like psychotic terrorists. Not surprising, considering what the protests are about.
No longer is this about left vs Right, Republican vs Democratic, private vs public sector. All such dichotomies are meaningless in a capitalist totalitarian state.

@prisnersdilema

Well said.  There are indeed some seriously ill people running things.  Very high
functioning sociopaths.

There is something deeply disturbed and ill in someone who cannot create anything..

Even more so in someone who is not content to harbor their illness silently in
themselves but who is compelled to spread it far and wide in acts of destruction that are
expressions of their pathology….

We have witnessed the destruction spread by our wall street elite, from Iraq, to
Afghanistan, to Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, the rainforest of the Amazon, the genetic
make up of our food, and to the jobs lost by millions of Americans, along with the
destruction of American standard of living,  and finally the destruction of our youth in
penury to studnent loans.. like a deadly plague everything the elite touches sickens and
dies…

What have they created exept misery?

This is the the legacy of evil men with stunted souls.

The enjoyment they feel hurting others is, is on display here for all to see…And one day
it will have to be reckoned with because, there is no where safe from men such as this…

The pepper spray video has prompted me to get involved in the movement.  Maybe I can be one of the “old people” (70) up front to get sprayed.  Wehave to make a stand

@ OzarkMichael

I agree with your point, except that I don’t consider it “Leftist analysis”. You can’t judge a movement by the actions of a few bad apples. This is just distracting from what the purpose is.

You want to shine light on the problem… by pushing them to the front… and getting them hurt. Essentially using little kids as shields.

I’d like to see the cops try to pepperspray little kids or old people with canes or in wheelchairs

Its all for a holy cause, so why not?

My point about having children and the elderly attend is not to use them as shields so much as to shine a light that the problem of unemployment, depression, helplessness, etc. affects the entire family unit therefore everyone should be involved. We are all affected.

bpawk said:

I think one idea that might thwart the police from using pepper spray again is to bring the children and the elderly to the demonstrations - make it a family affair as it is affecting whole families - I’d like to see the cops try to pepperspray little kids or old people with canes or in wheelchairs - the masses need to wake up to the police state that they are increasingly finding themselves in.

Brilliant idea, and its being done already. Occupiers push old ladies in wheelchairs to the front line. They push their children up to shut doors so the police inside cant open the door without knocking the kids down. Or putting the kids in front of a car so it cant go forward.

Personally, I think it makes for great film action as long as you can edit it. You have to edit out the part where the parents intentionally put the child in harm’s way. If you dont edit that part out,the whole project is wrecked.

Or if some conservative agent films the whole thing. shows the parents dragging the terrified kid and plopping her down in harm’s way, that really exposes and ruins the whole project. After all, you dont have the power to edit other people’s films. Or censor conservative agents… yet!

But otherwise, brilliant Leftist analysis. ‘Anything goes for such a holy cause’ and all that.

You are Now Doing This To Your Own Children.

What Have You Become?

Tony

It seems to me after experiencing the shut down of the port of Oakland first hand, and following the stories being told, that like most endeavors of this culture the occupy movement is primarily a complaint that most junkies have when they have been cut off cold turkey, that is in this case that they have been unfairly cut off from this culture off consumption and they don’t care much for this new status. Would it not be, if in fact a conversation is the goal of those who would march for their right to to be a part of this culture of abuse and destruction to maybe start the discussion now on how to dismantle this culture and its religious, scientific, materialist, mechanistic cults?

As for pepper spray and knight sticks what other reaction should one be expected from the zombies who control this abusive culture. This empire that spreads its disease with the barrel of the gun, this culture that is destroying life, this culture of death and it’s death wish cults.

I think one idea that might thwart the police from using pepper spray again is to bring the children and the elderly to the demonstrations - make it a family affair as it is affecting whole families - I’d like to see the cops try to pepperspray little kids or old people with canes or in wheelchairs - the masses need to wake up to the police state that they are increasingly finding themselves in.

The majority of Americans won’t get involved in protests even though they should - after having lost their jobs, house, maybe their marriage, their way of life etc. because they are taught to celebrate other Americans’ success - but you have to know how a lot of people get successful in America - it is by exploiting others through low wages, some are already rich - inherited money, there’s also the bribing of government officials who then make more laws to favour the rich and so it goes. Why identify with the rich when you’re poor or close to it? Yet that’s why there’s apathy - the poor and unemployed blame themselves. The poor also fear the law too as the police or FBI or CIA will come after those who ‘step out of line’ and protest. It reminds me of the Buffalo Springfield song ‘For What It’s Worth’ ...
“Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away”

People often say the truth hurts and the painful reality is that the Occupy
movement in London, Ontario sank itself.  Torn apart by internal strife, fear and a
disastrous public relations strategy, their group efforts quickly evaporated with
the morning dew on their now empty campsite.

Read about how it all went wrong here:

http://www.josephcouture.com  “How To Blow a Revolution- The London Model.”

Obama will comment when it’s his buddy Henry Louis Gates or protesters in
another country. He will remain silent on this one. He is voting present yet again.

The police haven’t been serving or protecting us for decades, that is not their purpose,
mainly they are here to collect taxes via traffic tickets. For the most part they are
arrogant jerks. What kind of person do you think who’d be attracted to that kind of job,
stupid jock, or peace loving hippie. But let’s face it the protestors want to be sprayed, it’s
the coolest thing that has ever happened to them, and they have video to boot, I bet the
guys in the video are getting sex thrown at them! All these kids love being victims, they
love it, it’s there own little 60’s storie. FIGHT THE MAN! They should all get a
participation trophy, just like their soccer team:)

Only when the bought and paid for whore politicians at every level are scared enough will they step in to stop this cruelty….but you see we Occupiers have nothing for a stump speech…don’t you know..if we were protesters in another country demanding are rights and that country just happened to have large reserves of oil then and only then would we be given the coverage by the news outlets that we were demonstrating to change our country from the tyrannical oppressiveness that permeates are freedoms more and more everyday, while war mongering murderers such as Baby Bush and yes even OB BLA BLA… live their lives in protected comfort… time has come for a new revolution to take our country and our government back from these carpetbagging scum that call themselves our representatives.                    “When the government fears the people there is liberty, when the people fear the government there is tyranny.”  Thomas Jefferson

By their complete non-violence despite the most
horrendous violent provocation, the people actually
participating in OWS, are not only growing very much
stronger, they are doing something that the World has
not seen since

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Told Us British

To Please Get out of Our Country and stop trying to
control of us.

We left on Peaceful Terms, and have largely been
forgiven.

We completely love India, and my wife and I regularly
visit.

Tony

I first saw this on Joe Quinn’s website with a full
and complete explanation of what it meant.

The solutions, though are extremely hard and complex
and the vast majority of people would not agree on
them being implemented.

Instead the psychopaths are implementing them on us.
Whilst there are only 4% of them.

They breed.

We are just going to have use other methods to take
over and control this evil.

My initial reaction on seeing this was extremely
Right Wing American, and I am not American, I am not
Right Wing, and I don’t have a Gun.

I still want to blow his fucking brains out though.

Tony

Slink back into your holes you fucking cockroaches.
Your brutality isn’t working out as intended, is it?  Instead of cowing the people it is emboldening them and strengthening their resolve.
You come at us with pepper spray, tear gas, LRAD, batons and battle armor.  We meet you with the strength of our unified voices and an army of cameras.
  “Thus the State never intentionally confronts a man’s sense, intellectual or moral, but only his body, his senses. It is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.”
Thoreau

Slink back into your holes you fucking cockroaches.
You’re brutality isn’t working out as intended, is it?  Instead of cowing the people it is emboldening them and strengthening their resolve.
You come at us with pepper spray, tear gas, LRAD, batons and battle armor.  We meet you with the strength of our unified voices and an army of cameras.
  “Thus the State never intentionally confronts a man’s sense, intellectual or moral, but only his body, his senses. It is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.”
Thoreau

@Outraged, so you’re saying Obama shouldn’t say anything about this obvious, widespread, brutal assault by police forces against peaceful protesters around the country? The country which elected him is turning into a police state and you don’t have a problem with him, THE PRESIDENT, deciding to ignore it, laugh like an idiot and make stump speeches instead? You have a puzzling view of this country and democracy, very puzzling indeed.

@Maani, you forgot to mention that Gandhi had a focused, clear goal (kick the British out and make India independent), and fought for international recognition while facing colonial terror, OWS, while important, still hasn’t set out to achieve any sort of clear revolution or even reform of the system aside from serving as a powerful space for the citizenry to express general frustrations. As for MLK, yes, a titan of the 20th century, but he helped bring about a needed reform within the existing system (civil rights for African Americans etc.), but was assassinated right when he started going wider and beginning to attack the capitalist system itself which remains intact.

Why would anyone be surprised? Katehi is the epitome of the 1%—paid over a half-million dollars a year and given a mansion to live in and a job for her husband. She represents the 1% and lives luxuriously at the expense of student debt. She’s the one who should be subject to a chemical weapons assault.

Yep. Over the line.

“Non-violent protest is beyond pointless.”

Tell that to MLK et al who changed a country.  And tell that to Gandhi et al, who took a country back from its colonial occupiers.

Peace.

Sesame Street quote:  “Hopefully, it shakes THE 99% into action to put a stop to “security forces” overkill.”

Question:  Who else will do it? Obama?  The Supremes?
The Tea Party?  The media?  The banksters? Santa Claus? The United States Marines?  Pat Robertson? The Market?

Inexcusable. Police who continuously engage in
brutality like this need to be fired and arraigned on
assault.

But here again, we got the Obama haters crybabing that
“it’s all Obama’s fault”.  Shut up. You sound stupid. I
put them squarely in the camp of the newfound OWS “supporters”
of Palin and Limbaugh. You see how they play it both
ways.

When our current potus chooses to allow his predecessors walk despite their proven violation of our civil rights, commision of crimes against humanity, and admitted use of torture, one can say that the genie has left the bottle. If what “The Pig” is doing is not torture and use of excessive force not to mention a violation of constitutional rights then what is it? The “Man” is testing the limits of what is to be legally allowed; why are these people permitting this violation unchallenged? Surely one has to realize that this will continue until violence is finally provoked!

Interesting how “liberal” outlets are not asking one big, important question: What does Obama have to say about this? Police forces are brutally attacking nonviolent protesters, ranging from the elderly to college students, and yet nobody is pressuring the COMMANDER IN CHIEF who came into office with his b.s. “Hope” and “Change” slogans to say anything about this.

@gerard,
“Hopefully, it shakes the 99% into action to put a stop to “security forces” overkill.”

You really need to stop living in Sesame Street, this is what the 99% WANT! It will not tolerate the peasants getting restless, there’s little difference between today’s oligarchs and the feudal lords who ruled Germany during the Peasants’ War of 1525.

Non-violent protest is beyond pointless.

Absolutely disgraceful use of unnecessary force and violence!  Hopefully, it shakes the 99% into action to put a stop to “security forces” overkill. My hunch is, if police didn’t have all this heavy equipment, they wouldn’t be behaving this way. Follow the money, as usual. They have it. Now they have to “prove” they need it, to justify the cost. Irony is, we the 99% paid for this violence-stimulating war-gear with our tax money and never peeped. Now our children and grandchildren meet it head-on. This ought to show us all where we went wrong. Support the Occupiers!