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The Most Disturbing Moment in the GOP Debate

Posted on Sep 8, 2011

Before NBC’s Brian Williams could even finish asking Rick Perry on Wednesday if he had any trouble sleeping after having allowed the executions of more people than any other modern governor, the crowd at the Reagan Library debate erupted in joyous whistles and applause for the Texan. They did it again when Perry said criminals in Texas face “the ultimate justice.”

Perry said he had no regrets about the executions or fears that he had presided over the death of an innocent, even though there is strong evidence such a tragedy has occurred under Perry’s watch.  —PZS


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By Marian Griffith, September 11, 2011 at 3:21 am Link to this comment
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—-And did we have a trial for Osama Bin Laden?—-

Didn’t you know that secret trials are all the rage these days? It is -the- thing to do for every police state.

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By tropicgirl, September 9, 2011 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

I really think people applauding were thinking of the real criminals. Really. The Bankers, O-Stupid, Drunken Hillary, the Al CIA duh, Cheney, the Twig, Bernanke, Little Timmy Tax Cheat, and so on, when they applauded the death penalty.

We are ALL hoping for justice. The longer this corrupt mob avoids it, the more heads will be chopped.

Trust me. History don’t lie, my brothers and sisters. It may take time, but it WILL happen.

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By Cliff Carson, September 9, 2011 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment


Yes, so does Obama.  And a lot of others.

If I had failed to mention Obama does that mean that those I didn’t mention are innocent?

Since I did include Obama, what is your point?

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By LadyR, September 9, 2011 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment
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To “God Bless the State of Texas”:  You have not embraced Christianity, but the creed of Satan. Yes, the devil himself can quote scripture for his own ends, and you are a perfect example of one of his followers.  Instead of embracing Jesus’ loving kindness and compassion towards others, you embrace murder and violence towards your fellow man.  You are no true Christian!  May God have mercy on your soul, because the devil is laughing in glee at succeeding in seducing yet another ignorant fool to his infamous club of hatred and violence.

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By Robespierre115, September 9, 2011 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

Problem is Obama also believes in executing the innocent: Just ask Afghans, Somalis, Yemenese, Pakistanis. And did we have a trial for Osama Bin Laden?

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By GradyLeeHoward, September 9, 2011 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

It is not as if all of them would have applauded and
cheered without the swaggering degenerate psychopath
triumphant before them. They were egging on the monkey,
like in a bromance movie. Embodied evil has become just
another naughty pleasure in a cyberspace existence. The
majority of people at the Church of Bonzo were
middleaged sleepwalkers awaiting old age dementia, just
like the Big Gipper. Many Americans refuse to grow up,
but even more refuse to awaken.

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By Cliff Carson, September 9, 2011 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

God Bless The State of Texas!

Just a question concerning your comments. 

Do Christian people think people like Bush, Cheney, Obama, and their Empire! group are committing murder?

Thou Shalt not Kill

Do Christian people think people like Bush, Cheney, Obama, and their Empire! group are committing theft?

Thou shalt not steal

Go thru the commandments.

Do the supporters of this bunch think they are Christians?

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By gerard, September 9, 2011 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

Tobysgirl makes me wonder who reads what into which comments.  “Sane people don’t relish others’ suffering and sane people don’t want their fellow humans to go hungry, without houses, without education, without health care.  Just because craziness is widespread does not mean it equals sanity,” she says. 

Most people don’t actually “relish” others’ suffering or want their fellow humans to go hungry etc.  Or at least they are reluctant to say so. Ergo, most people are “sane”?
Most people do little or nothing to stop others’ suffering, hunger, homelessness etc.  Ergo, most people are “sane”?
Most people manage to tolerate wars, killing tens of thousands of (unseen) people for decades on end, and for no good reason, and still do nothing to put a stop to such madness.  Are they, too, “sane”?
  IMO, best not to raise the question of who is “sane” and who is “insane” without considerable testing—and even then ..... ????  It’s like “Everyone is insane except thee and me—and sometimes I think even thee is a little bit insane!”

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By Sitizen, September 9, 2011 at 11:03 am Link to this comment
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Perry looks like an unkinder, less gentle version of W, but no matter his stance on
capital punishment (which I oppose), let’s remember that Obama has already granted to
himself (and to whoever succeeds him) the right to inflict the same sanction on any
person on the planet- with no evidence, trial, or appeal.

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By SunnyRains, September 9, 2011 at 11:01 am Link to this comment

Not all Americans. Those who do are just louder. They think if they should their nonsense it will become truth. Many of us are working quietly behind the scenes to make sure the US does not take its final steps into fascism.

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By SarcastiCanuck, September 9, 2011 at 10:52 am Link to this comment
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That was a political debate??I thought it was a new reality show called ‘American Neanderthal’.Boy do I feel stupid…

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By Dennis in MI, September 9, 2011 at 9:58 am Link to this comment
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No state should ever execute anyone, NEVER EVER. Why is it ok to pay millions of dollars to lawyers to appeal a death sentence case for decades? Lock em up and forget em. When the DNA evidence comes back revealing innocence, as it sometimes happens, it sure would be nice to be able to release the victim(prisoner).
It would also be great if we could make the prosecutor pay til their ruination in those cases where they are guilty of railroading some poor dark person.

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By Hulk2008, September 9, 2011 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

This brand of pseudo-christian actually confuses the Old and New Testaments.  There is NO eye-for-an-eye content in Jesus’ message.  One does not “love” his neighbor into an electric chair or a noose.  Their interpretation of God’s love is about as accurate as Bush’s knowledge of WMDs.

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By Tobysgirl, September 9, 2011 at 7:52 am Link to this comment

Perry isn’t steeped in any beliefs. Perry is a self-promoting whore who would change his tune in a second if it served him.

Gee, gerard, who do you think lives in the U.S.A.? We, unfortunately, are home to a lot of violent, vicious people who enjoy fantasizing about other people suffering horrifying tortures (the rapture), people who drool at the notion of beatings, rape and murder. One way we can stop this madness is to start calling these beliefs and habits what they are: SICK, SICK, SICK. No, my liberal friends, they are not simply someone else’s opinion.

All that discussion after the Norway massacre about whether what’s-his-name is crazy. Of course, he’s crazy! Sane people don’t massacre other people, either on their own or at the direction of the state. Sane people don’t relish others’ suffering and sane people don’t want their fellow humans to go hungry, without houses, without education, without health care.

Just because craziness is widespread does not mean it equals sanity.

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By God Bless The State of Texas!, September 9, 2011 at 7:46 am Link to this comment
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God bless Texas!!  If more states would punish those who are guilty without a shadow of doubt, there would be less crime against law abiding citizens.  Like the Bible says “Get the sin out of the camp!”  Take them outside of the city and stone them to death.  An eye for an eye - and for all of you bleeding heart liberals who just can’t seem to live in reality, the bible also states that if a man kills a baby in the womb, then death is his punishment. how does that compare to your abortion stance. God help you all. you do not have the eyes to see nor the ears to hear - your hearts are darkened and you cannot hear the still small voice of God.  God does not stand for murderers amongst us, vile sexual predators and further more we are required to protect and defend ourselves, our families and our communities - this is all by the word of God.  for those of you who think christians need to be doormats obviously have never read your bibles (if you even have one that is)- all you can do is twist scripture when it is obvious you are completely ignorant of scripture and what the will of God is for our lives.  you’re all fools -that’s what the bible calls you. God will not be mocked and this is what you do everytime you open your foolish mouths and no not of what you speak when it comes to being a christian and how to live like one - you twist it to suit your own agenda but have zero idea of how it all fits together.  fools all of you.  GOD BLESS TEXAS AND PERRY FOR PRESIDENT!  yee haw.

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By John Poole, September 9, 2011 at 6:53 am Link to this comment
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Yes indeed. Perry’s alpha male swagger will be appeal to many white conservative
voters. I wonder if the vile swagger of most rappers appeals to certain older black
voters? Also what is it about warrior pilots and the Republicans? Just curious.

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By John Sullivan, September 9, 2011 at 6:15 am Link to this comment
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Except for the criminals who are bankrolling his election campaign, and his party.

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By Don'tmesswithTexas, September 9, 2011 at 4:37 am Link to this comment
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What part of crime and illegal have people forgotten?If someone wants to rob or kill you or your family -and you don’t do something about it - I’m fine with that. For me, if they just so happen to be within range, their about to get a life changing wake up call. Those that survive and go to jail - why should I have to pay for 3 squares a day for the rest of their lives. French Fry the ass and move on.

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By Lafayette, September 9, 2011 at 1:59 am Link to this comment


Perry is a dangerous individual steeped in deeply conservatives beliefs, cloaked in religious righteousness, and an autocrat by nature. He would likely rather be crowned PotUS - by Divine Right - than elected to the presidency.

[How can a supposed fundamentalist Christian believe in the Ten Commandments and punish people for the ultimate crime (of death)? If you believe in God, then only He offers the gift life and his faithful have no right to take it. Besides, life imprisonment is a far worse punishment than death. The weight of guilt presses upon your existence in a daily manner.]

His “Christian Brotherhood” media-mode is pap for the masses. Just like that previous Texan, as PotUS, he’ll let himself be manipulated by the Rabidly Right plutocrats - with payback to come post-presidency in the form of emoluments, speaking tours, etc. (The guy is in it for the money. The American people have had enough of this kind of politico who ruined the nation.)


The Ultra-conservative Right are playing “hard-ball”. For its own defense, so must the Left.

Perry must not prevail.

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By SteveL, September 8, 2011 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

Perry.  Held prayer service, then Texas went up in flames.  Now if you happen to
be the religious type you have to have serious doubts about Perry’s mojo with who
ever he is praying to or did he pop out of a crack the earth and bring the fires of
hell with him?

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By ribbie149, September 8, 2011 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

What did you expect at the Reagan Library- social consciousness?  Texas, the execution capital of the

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By ken Boddy, September 8, 2011 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment
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I have been hearing a lot about what a devout Christian he is.  I love his watching
Christian values in action.  Who would Jesus execute today?

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By PatrickHenry, September 8, 2011 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

Yes this guy is worrisome, even though Ron Paul is smoking him in every poll, the MSM is touting Perry and Mitt Romney as ‘leaders in the polls’ without any mention of Ron Paul.

Outright in your face manipulation.

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By Rodney, September 8, 2011 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment
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Just like George Bush Rick Perry has made his political career by frying people like chicken wings. They get extra kudos if the person happens to be Black or Hispanic. The blood thirsty audience who applauded would pay to see the excutions on pay per view while eating popcorn. These are the same people who allow any and everyone to own their gun of choice and wonder why people get murdered. Then Rick Perry comes along and signs death warrants like autographs and sleeps well at night. They are the Tea Party. They have come to take their country back. Back to an eye for an eye. Then we all will be blind.

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By gerard, September 8, 2011 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

Additional worry:  Too many people in the audience clapped!  Actually clapped!  Brrrrr! Capital punishment, and now torture—no, excuse me, “extraordinary rendition.” Stop the madness.

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By Gmonst, September 8, 2011 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

This guy worries me.  He has all the alpha male swagger that Americans seem to love.  Cocksure and unreflective.

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