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The Ghost of Joseph McCarthy Slithered Into the Room

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Posted on Apr 28, 2012
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Forgotten history is like a rake neglected in the national backyard. Soon enough you’ll return to where you left it, and if you step on its teeth, it’ll swing up and hit you in the face.

That’s the gist of a Bill Moyers video essay that compares the political behavior of Florida Congressman Allen West to that of the shamed Sen. Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s. West recently revived McCarthy’s strategy of smearing Democratic Congress members by claiming some of them are undercover communists. (Above, McCarthy, at left, and a caricature of Rep. West.) —ARK

Bill Moyers:

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By heterochromatic, May 2, 2012 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

it’s the only level that you’re now operating on, chica…... try pulling yourself
together a bit and actually contributing to the site rather than continuing your
descent into inanity.

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By americanme, May 2, 2012 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

Soooooooo infantile.

I do not open links, nor am I interested in your masturbation fanstasies about me.

Does your wife who feeds you and wipes your ass know you spend almost 24 hours a day masturbating on truthdig?

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By heterochromatic, May 2, 2012 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

in that spiritt, I suggest that we all chip in for the VERY VERY lonely and friendless,
moonamericanbigit

https://www.oxfamamericaunwrapped.com/Goat-charitable-gift.html

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By americanme, May 2, 2012 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

Now truthdig is promoting internet dating.

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By OzarkMichael, May 1, 2012 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

I did send a letter to hetero via truthdig email.

Meanwhile:

Take your message of equality of achievement, take your message of economic dependency, take your message of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else.

Yes!

Since the shoe fits those Lefties, let them wear it!

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By vector56, May 1, 2012 at 6:27 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael;

“Hetero, you deserve an answer. The rest do not. I will send it to you privately. “

heterochromatic:

“ok, OZ, let me know when you’ve sent me that answer”


Is it possible for you two Trolls to get a room?

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By americanme, May 1, 2012 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

Ah, but the no-neck troll forgets that you are ALL child killers.

Only he is proud of that, and denies that he promotes genocide against non-whites.

How can anyone be so dishonest?

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By PatrickHenry, May 1, 2012 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment

I had to look up West for his accomplishments, there are few.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/rep-west-discharged-from-army-for-abusing-an-iraqi-tells-obama-intimidation-is-wrong.php

There’s also that Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen whose rabid anti Castro stance proves to me she’s a shill for the Cuban sugar barons.

Florida, what a fucked up state.

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By omop, May 1, 2012 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

Calls himself a true blue American and wants “all the fri**in Liberals”
thrown out of the country…..

  Speaking to a Lincoln Day Dinner in West Palm Beach for the Palm Beach
County GOP, Rep. Allen West (R-Fla) fired off a humdinger of a line that
within minutes drew recriminations from Democrats on Twitter.

“We need to let President Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, (audience
boos) and my dear friend the chairman of the Democrat National
Committee, we need to let them know that Florida ain’t on the table,”
West said.

“Take your message of equality of achievement, take your message of
economic dependency, take your message of enslaving the
entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else.
You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the bottom of the sea, you
can take it to the North Pole, but get the hell out of the United States of
America.”

Following cheers, West added, “Yeah I said ‘hell.’”

  allen west. Now thats a REAL AMERICAN who did his share of killing in and mutalating children in Fallujah/Iraq.

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By heterochromatic, May 1, 2012 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

ok, OZ, let me know when you’ve sent me that answer.

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By PatrickHenry, April 30, 2012 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

OM,

If a Progressive Senator called the farthest far right group in Congress “Fascist” would you ask the Senator to apologize? Or would you be glad someone was finally speaking out?

Be honest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

If the shoe fits.

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By OzarkMichael, April 30, 2012 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

Hetero, you deserve an answer. The rest do not. I will send it to you privately.

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By americanme, April 30, 2012 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

You don’t seem to get it:  I am not interested in anything that interests you.

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By heterochromatic, April 30, 2012 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

keep making a fool of yourself rather than ask me for the name of the person and
the book, shithead.

it’s very enjoyable.

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By americanme, April 30, 2012 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

Sure it is.  There is no such autobiography.

Everything you write here is a lie.

Or a potty-talk masturbation fantasy.

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By heterochromatic, April 30, 2012 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

sorry shithead, but an autobiographical work ain’t my fantasy.


keep making a fool of yourself. I enjoy it.

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By americanme, April 30, 2012 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

I couldn’t possibly care less about any of your psychotic fantasies.

Any more than I care about your sexual fantasies of three-ways with farm animals while smearing disinformation and retrograde potty-talk all over this site.

You simply do not interest—because you are not an interesting person.  Your “ideas” are just random belches and farts when synapses cross in your decomposed cerebrum.

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By heterochromatic, April 30, 2012 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment

look it up yourself, of better yet, write to Peter Beinart, John Judis, Frank Foer or
Leon Wieseltier to confirm story of past ownership.


or if too lazy to do any of that , ask me the name of that owner…. and the name of
his autobiographic work wherein he detailed his membership in the Communist
Party, his recruitment by the Soviets,  and the story that I repeated…....


such a shithead.

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By americanme, April 30, 2012 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

I am not even going to ask the resident no-neck troll, with his fictional son who not only works at the New republic but prances across Afghanistan raping and pillaging 24/7—kind of heard from a desk job but then nothing that the no-neck troll has ever posted on this site has had even a grain of truth to it—for documentation.

He’ll just post one of his gotcha links with another virus.

And when all else fails, he’ll stick his into his enormous ass-ears and scream:  ShitheadshitheadshitheadgoatsuckergoatsuckerwordsaladwaordsaladhatehatehatehateUSuberallesfuckemiftheycan’ttakeajoke.

Goebbels taught him to do that—in another lifetime.  before this one, where he was born into the mind of Ayatollahs, George W. Bush (sic, for absense of a mind), Hugo Chavez and dozens of other famous people—simulatanneously—even though they were born in different years.

How clever are those alumni of the Goebbels Institute for Internet Trolling and Disinformation!

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By heterochromatic, April 30, 2012 at 11:37 am Link to this comment

the story is well-documented and fairlky well-known.


when my kid went to work for The New Republic, I mentioned it to him along with
telling him that the then-owner of the magazine was a steaming racist piece of
shit.

in short order he was able to verify both of my claims.


you could do the same, shithead, if you spend the time reading.

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By americanme, April 30, 2012 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

And another pile of steaming excrement plopped down on this site by the no-neck troll, who now claims to know what folks in 1948 were, “secretly”.

So secretly that no one else knew—not even the folks themselves.

But the no-neck was there—even though it was before he was born into this lifetime—and knew all.

I am surprised he doesn’t ask us to cough up some major bucks for his “secret” knowledge.

Talk about inmates running the asylum.

Bubaubabawetsheetsbubaubastraightjacketsbubauba wordsaladwisdom.

If the no-neck were not such a foul-mouthed malicious racist, I suppose he’d be funny.

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By heterochromatic, April 30, 2012 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

OZ—depends upon whether the group fit the definition of fascist or was
merely reactionary or very conservative.

There was once a guy named Henry Wallace, who, for a time, edited The New
Republic. He left the magazine to run as a Progressive Party candidate in the
1948 presidential election.

Some folks called HIM a communist, but he was not.

Interestingly, The New Republic didn’t support Wallace’s candidacy….because
the owner of the rag was secretly a communist and Moscow ordered that
Wallace not be supported.


——


In the end, I expect that it’s good for fascists to be identified as such and for
people who ain’t fascists not to be so identified.


there’s a boatload of fools on the left who like to use the term “fascist’ for half
of everybody who aren’t blithely foolish and disagree with the foolishness of
some supposedly “leftish” positions and policies that are anything but
progressive…. and that’s just wrongheaded and ugly.

 

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hope that answers YOUR question.


and your answer to mine is now overdue.

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By americanme, April 30, 2012 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

The no-neck troll wrote:

“If you wish to declare your respect for a woman
who claimed that in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina,
the Dept of Defense ordered our troops to shoot 500
prisoners in the back of the head and bury them in some
ditches, you go right ahead. 
she’s a fuckin loon with a head full of snakes.”

What the pernicious patriot doesn’t know—although he claims to live inside the heads of all the world leaders and to know more about their motives than they do—is that Bush was referring precisely to the efficient campaign to reduce the population of African-Americans when he said (and I saw him say it on t.v. when I was someplace in the Middle East):  “Heckuva job, Brownie.  heckuva job.”

Now if Mr. Brown had been Mr. Black, it wouldn’t have been quite so patriotically memorable.

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By OzarkMichael, April 30, 2012 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

The question put to me was “What do you think of what Allen West said?”

Well, that depends on one thing. My answer depends on your answer to the following question:

If a Progressive Senator called the farthest far right group in Congress “Fascist” would you ask the Senator to apologize? Or would you be glad someone was finally speaking out?

Be honest.

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By americanme, April 30, 2012 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

gerard:

The only idea the malicious alcoholic McCarthy ever had was to avoid being investigated by the IRS for tax evasion by cooking up a Commies under the Bed caper.

With which he bulied and intimidated and ruined careers and lives.

And that was why he was finally censured by his colleagues in the Senate.

If you think that was a good idea, you need to read a bit of the history of your country.  I REMEMBER McCarthy’s drunken rants on the radio in the early 50s (before we got t.v.) and the photos of his simpering simian sidekick, Roy Cohn.

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By heterochromatic, April 30, 2012 at 7:49 am Link to this comment

butr she’s not correct, she’s an ass and that was a really unreal thing and quite a
McCarthy moment from the little piggy.

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By heterochromatic, April 30, 2012 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

If she was correct, she would be dead.

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By IMax, April 30, 2012 at 5:04 am Link to this comment

LOL…once again every subject is an opportunity for PatrickHenry to sound off about Israel.

It never ends…LOL

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By vector56, April 30, 2012 at 4:18 am Link to this comment

“I think it is because she is not a friend of israel that she has been and continues to be smeared by ‘asswipes’. “

My thoughts as well PatrickHenry;’ I think this has more to do with Mckinny being on that Gaza flotilla.

And yes, after watching two towers collapse in their own foot print 20 minutes apart I would say our Government and their “Trigger Men” (Our Troops) are capable of just about anything.

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By PatrickHenry, April 30, 2012 at 3:18 am Link to this comment

tic,

And what if Mckinny was correct?  after all she is in a position to know more than you are.

I think it is because she is not a friend of israel that she has been and continues to be smeared by ‘asswipes’.

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By Marian Griffith, April 30, 2012 at 2:13 am Link to this comment
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@Mona

I think it is a lost case trying to educate the general american population about the differences between marxism, socialism, social democracy, nationalist socialism, communism (theoretical, chinese, russian or north korean style) or communes, let alone the more exotic forms of organising a society (like direct and representational democracy).

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By heterochromatic, April 29, 2012 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

vec—- If you wish to declare your respect for a woman
who claimed that in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina,
the Dept of Defense ordered our troops to shoot 500
prisoners in the back of the head and bury them in some
ditches, you go right ahead. 
she’s a fuckin loon with a head full of snakes.

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By vector56, April 29, 2012 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

“the entire reason Communism fell but Russia survived was that McCarthy, although he had the right idea, used name-calling and character assassination instead of extraordinary rendition, which is a much higher standard of slanderous accusation.”

gerard;

I disagree; Communism was miss-implemented in the USSR. You see you Capitalist “bone-head”, Communism is pure unadulterated Economic Democracy!  You know, your worse nightmare. McCarthy was a thug; end of story!

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By vector56, April 29, 2012 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment

“West will
be flushed out of Congress just as that other asswipe
McKinney was.”

“Asswipe, Mckinney”?

heterochromatic; you seem to have a need to reduce other human beings who you disagree with you to terms like “piece of shit” (Anwar al-Awlaki) or “Asswipe”. Like the NAZIS who declared the Jews were a “Cancer” that had to be cut out of the body of the father land, your kinds always ends up “dehumanizing” the “Others”.

I have a lot of respect for Mckinney.

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By gerard, April 29, 2012 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

.... and we all need to be held to a higher standard of slanderous accusations regarding our colleagues. Nothing better than beating a colleague over the head with a high standard of slanderous accusation.  Some of us know all about that, don’t we?
  But weriously, the entire reason Communism fell but Russia survived was that McCarthy, although he had the right idea, used name-calling and character assassination instead of extraordinary rendition, which is a much higher standard of slanderous accusaion.
  P.S. Drones hadn’t been perfected yet. We’ve come a long way, baby!

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By Mona, April 29, 2012 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment

Ozark Michael,

I’ve never heard a senator or representative from the Democratic Party tell an audience of supporters that almost 100 Republican senators and representatives are secretly Nazis.

Though I think there’s a far cry between a Nazi and a communist, there is a difference between public statements by persons in positions of trust, and about other people, and mutual mud-slinging between cronies of the 1% and the rest of the population, and particularly when they’re using “handles” or more-or-less sitting in the peanut gallery.

As for communism and socialism, the dialogue is much more intelligent in Europe.  Plenty of people are members of the communist or socialist parties, and no one is shaking in their booties, or feeling compelled to address the subject only on the level of smearing others, and without regard to how poorly the persons smearing don’t even know what they’re talking about, to begin with.

Congress is hardly filled with communists.  Only an American with half a brain left after being educated in one of our poorly funded hillbilly schools would think so.

Congress is run by lobbyists working for CORPORATIONS.  There are no corporations in communist countries.  Corporate control is about fascism.

Go do the homework your teacher never gave you.

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By heterochromatic, April 29, 2012 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

higher standard is correct….and hopefully West will
be flushed out of Congress just as that other asswipe
McKinney was.

unfortunately, Congresscritters aren’t really held to
any standard

Rep Preston Smith Brooks actually attacked and beat
Sen Charles Sumner half to death on the floor of the
US Senate.

and Brooks wasn’t expelled from the HOuse, (although
he WAS fined $300.)

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By mrfreeze, April 29, 2012 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

Pretty simple - Elected officials need to be held to a higher standard….especially when making slanderous accusations about their colleagues.

West knew full well he was “speaking out his ass” and knew that it would be covered by the media without a real challenge.

If my mayor called me a communist in a public forum, you can rest assured I’d be holding him accountable…and my attorney is a nasty m-f’r.

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By heterochromatic, April 29, 2012 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

freeze—- West isn’t a mental midget, and he’s also
pretty well educated…..

what he is, is a frigging lunatic without any sense of
proportion or restraint.

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By gerard, April 29, 2012 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

PROBLEM:  All the smart people are leftists, but all the leftists are not as smart as the smart people who are leftists. That’s because most of the smart people who are rightists are dumber than the dumbest leftists ... and ...

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By Maani, April 29, 2012 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

mrfreeze:

“West is an elected official who has no business making claims about the political affiliations of other congressmen UNLESS he has proof. Journalists are a different matter.”

Really?  Why?  And here I thought the job of the so-called Fouth Estate was to REPORT (and even -Heaven forbid! - investigate) the news, not MAKE it.

Care to explain your comment?

Peace.

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By mrfreeze, April 29, 2012 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

Well, at least we can’t accuse you of being a “commie” IMax. Perhaps “brown-nose” would be more appropriate.

West is an elected official who has no business making claims about the political affiliations of other congressmen UNLESS he has proof. Journalists are a different matter.

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By IMax, April 29, 2012 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael clearly makes a valid point. 

In one ear we hear of Republicans wanting children and the elderly dead.  On the other, tales of conspiracies rooted in one ism or another.  Nancy Pelosi and Sarah Palin are both bitches.  Bush was illegitimate before inauguration day.  So too, it is said, with Obama.  Everyone’s a fascist.  Everyone votes against their own best interest. - Whining or feigning shock, trumpeting a sense of moral high-ground over Congressman West’s comments is, well, unproductive.  Short-sighted or hypocritical.

There is nothing new under the sun.

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By mrfreeze, April 29, 2012 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael - Christopher Hitchens was smart…I thought a lot of his “opinions.” Even Goldwater, Nixon (who you yourself would have called a conservative in the 60’s & 70’s) and a slew of other thinkers impress me. Even that fuck-head William F. Buckley was pretty smart… I don’t think any of them would sit around and accuse others of being commies the way West (and many others) loves to do. So your claim that I only appreciate “lefty” opinions is just your asinine (and unqualified) “opinion.”

But as hetero asked, what is your opinion of the West or his ilk??????? Probably don’t want to answer that because his statements are indefensible and unacceptable.

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By americanme, April 29, 2012 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

Hmmmmm.

The ghost of Joe McCarthy has been alive and well on this site for at least 6 months.

He has not been censured, as McCarthy eventually was, either.

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By heterochromatic, April 29, 2012 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

Oz—- just for shits and giggles….what DO you think of West?

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By OzarkMichael, April 29, 2012 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

There’s a huge difference between a Hedges or Moyers who have long track records in public discourse and that intellectual midget, Allan West.

Ahh, now we come to it. You claim that people who you think are smart have the right to use extreme poisonous accusations. And of course the smart people in your opinion are all Leftists, so they can fire away with all the poisonous language they want!

I absolutely and catagorically reject your double standard.  What a hypocrite you are.

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By mrfreeze, April 29, 2012 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

There’s a great deal of difference between the level and quality of the discourse that Moyers engages in and the sophomoric, shallow, idiotic nonsense vomited-out by the Main Stream Media.

I don’t have a “double standard.” I merely point out that if you have a “position” about the “extremist” views out there in polito-stupido land, you ought to be willing to defend them rather than rank on someone such as Moyers who was actually lived when words mattered, peoples’ lives were ruined and if someone called someone else a commie, it was serious business.

History will show that the “liberal labels” attached to the political Right these days pale in scale and scope compared to the never-ending, 24/7 propaganda being manufactured by the Media.

There’s a huge difference between a Hedges or Moyers who have long track records in public discourse and that intellectual midget, Allan West.

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By OzarkMichael, April 29, 2012 at 7:09 am Link to this comment

Besides, throwing “extremist” views is what political commentary is all about, except that most of what passes for political commentary from the Right today (calling everyone a commie or socialist) is nothing but idiotic trash.

Thank you for revealing your double standard.

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By Jim Yell, April 29, 2012 at 6:18 am Link to this comment
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Calling Republicans out for their clear racism and disdain for inclulsive interpretation of the Bill of Rights, makes the names they are called not far off the mark.

As to Democrats being Communists? We have a President who is so centerist that he is worthless to reform or change anything. We have Democrats and Republicans who are solidly in the pay of Corporate America and block the voters concerns for abject servitude to the selfishness of Corporate America. I will go further foriegn Corporations have more clout in the Congress than the people.

Communists, no. Socialists very weak, but most of the good we get from government is Socialist. The Post Office was one of earlest social activist ideas in our country and served us very well until Corporate America got a sniff of possible wealth to be had from destroying the old institution which had served us so well. One of the few government institutions which clearly give advantage to us all.

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By mrfreeze, April 28, 2012 at 10:14 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael - Your interpretation of Bill Moyers’ editorial is as dull as your intellect today…...did you take something?

With all due respect to your shallow analysis, Mr. Moyers has forgotten more from one day of his political experience than you’ll ever know.

Besides, throwing “extremist” views is what political commentary is all about, except that most of what passes for political commentary from the Right today (calling everyone a commie or socialist) is nothing but idiotic trash.

One final thing, please do find another avatar pic for your your posts. “Don’t tread on me????” BLAH…..........

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By drives with fergus, April 28, 2012 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment
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@OzarkMichael:

Is Chris Hedges a member of the House of Representatives?

If you want to play the “both sides do it just the same” game, your task is not to find a blogger who talks about fascism; your task is to find a Democratic member of the House who stands up and says that eighty members of the Republican House caucus are members of the Fascist Party, and who sticks to his guns when questioned about it; your task is also to demonstrate that the Democratic leadership remains silent and does not even try to distance itself from the errant member, much less criticize him.

Nice try, though. Want to try again?

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By OzarkMichael, April 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment

Bill Moyers heard Mr West and said, “But this time I shook my head in disbelief.”

I guess poor old Bill Moyers doesnt read Chris Hedges, who throws wild accusations of extremism around all the time. Right here on Truthdig! I dont think the Truthdig editors listened to what Moyers said… either that or they dont read what their very own author Chris Hedges writes here!

Somebody wake up poor old Bill Moyers. Or wake up the Truthdig editors. Accusations of ‘fascism’ and ‘communism’ are quite common these days, and the Lefties on Truthdig indulge 100x more often than Allen West, so it looks pretty dumb for the Leftists to raise a ruckus about it.

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By vector56, April 28, 2012 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Checkout the vid Hillbilly; it should make even you smile.

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By OzarkMichael, April 28, 2012 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

The fake outrage by Lefties is pretty funny. They toss around accusations of ‘fascism’ and ‘racism’ like beads at Mardi Gras!

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By vector56, April 28, 2012 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment

Allen West?  Isn’t he the guy in Iraq who stuck a gun in the mouth of an Iraqi prisoner for a few laughs?

West reminds me of one of Dave Shpel’s characters; a black “blind” guy who was raised by White racist in the south.

“Dave Chappelle plays a blind black man that’s doesn’t know he’s black and he’s the leader of KKK ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i9iTYe6tEk

A Black, White supremacist; reminds me of Allen West.

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