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Miko Peled, peace activist and son of a well-known Israeli general, talks about his new book, “The General’s Son,” and what he calls the “three myths” of Israeli history.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 17, 2011 at 4:41 am Link to this comment

Robert,

Hoo-boy…... you got me good:)~

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By Robert, June 16, 2011 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

By Go Right Young Man, June 16 at 8:31 pm

Robert,

I was not, however, omitting West bank and Gaza.  You can see that I went on to write; “Most of them -not in West Bank and Gaza- trapped in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. And you could not care any less.”

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15 at 2:11 pm

Robert,


We’re talking about human beings trapped, imprisoned, in Fifty-Eight refugee camps in Five Arab Nations. An estimated 4,820,229 human beings.  Most of them trapped in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. And you could not care any less.

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GRYM…Now take a close look at your 2 above posts and these 2 quotes are word for word directly from today’s 6/16/11 @ 8:31 pm & yesterday’s 6/15/11 @ 2:11 pm. 


Now GRYM…do you see ”- not in West Bank and Gaza” in your post of 6/15/11 @ 2:11 pm?


GRYM…You are one deceptive liar & you got caught again. You are making a big lying fool of yourself !!!


Have you seen these Palestinian refugee camps when you were in Israel…GRYM? Surely you knew that they were there under the oppressive Israeli occupation. May be you don’t want people to know these facts…because it might get in the way of your damage control agenda…eh !!! 

GRYM…CAN YOU SEE ALRIGHT? ARE YOUR EYES DECEIVING YOU?

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By Shingo, June 16, 2011 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

  I should have written that each of these 58 squalid and debilitating camps, in and surrounded by some of the wealthiest per capita nations on the planet, are all located in Arab governed or administered lands.

Ther West Bank is 100% under the control of Israel.

I was not, however, omitting West bank and Gaza.

If you had included West bank and Gaz, you would not have cited he bogus figure of 58.

Like Robert said, you’re a liar.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 16, 2011 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

Robert,

You’re absolutely right. I should have written that each of these 58 squalid and debilitating camps, in and surrounded by some of the wealthiest per capita nations on the planet, are all located in Arab governed or administered lands.

I was not, however, omitting West bank and Gaza.  You can see that I went on to write; “Most of them -not in West Bank and Gaza- trapped in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. And you could not care any less.”

You got me good on that one.

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By Robert, June 16, 2011 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment

By Go Right Young Man, June 15 at 2:11 pm

Robert,

“We’re talking about human beings trapped, imprisoned, in Fifty-Eight refugee camps in Five Arab Nations. An estimated 4,820,229 human beings.  Most of them trapped in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. And you could not care any less.”

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GRYMie…How deceptive can you get? You are exposed again…MR MASSIVE RESEARCHER…DECEPTOR !!!

In your 6/15/11 post @ 2:11 pm, you stated that “Fifty-Eight refugee camps in Five Arab Nations”.

You deceptively left out that 27 Palestinian refugee camps are in the West Bank & Gaza…that makes about half the Palestinian refugee camps right under Israel’s brutal occupation. Palestinians are refugees in their own country/land…living in refugee camps.

Their land, homes & resources are being stolen by Israel’s IDF killers & right from under their feet…for “settlements/camps for Jews only”.

So you were deceptively trying to put all the “Fifty-Eight” refugee camps in the Arab countries. And ZERO under Israel’s brutal oppressive occupation.

You think you are clever…eh !!! What a deceptive liar you are !!!

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By Shingo, June 16, 2011 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, June 16 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

>> Let us ruminate a minute on that last part….. Palestinians, today living in Palestine, are not allowed their own country. DAMN the Juden!

Yes didn’t you hear that Israel and the US are busy scyrrying around, having around paper bags ful of cash to 3rd world states to prevent the two trinds majority at the UN from approving the declaration of a Palestinian state in September?

Didn’t you hear Israe’s threats that they will annex chunks of the West Bank if Palestinians unilaterally declare independence - justas Israel did in 1948?

So who should we be blaming GRYM?

>> There is no “PA” or “PLO” problem in these countries today.

Syria never had a “PA” or “PLO” problem, they had a Sunni problem.  Jordan is a US sponsored dictatorship, that is bribed by the US to be nice to Israel, as was Egypt for 40 years.

>> Of course for Arab countries it truly is just that easy. Brutality is daily throughout.

As it is in Israel, where the Whitye House spokesman wil parrot the line about Israel defending itself.

In any case, Israel is facing a bleak future with an exodus of Jews in the horizon. 

Half of Israel’s Jews are considering leaving Israel and over 700,000 phave applied for foreign passports. The Israel Central Bureau of Statistics states that as of 2005, 650,000 Israelis have left the country for over one year and not returned. The great majority of these were Jews. In addition, polls show that at least 60 percent and as high as 80 percent of remaining Israeli Jews “sympathize with those who leave the country.”

As the Haaretz reporter Gideon Levy puts it, “if our forefathers dreamt of an Israeli passport, there are those among us who are now dreaming of a foreign passport.”

it looks like the game is up.  Even Israeli can’t stomach Israel any longer.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 16, 2011 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

There are 58 camps administered by UNRWA with the single largest donor -for over 60 years- being the United States.  The largest portion of “Palestinian” Refugee camps, today, are in Arab countries.

Jordan: Ten camps w/346,830 Registered refugees in camps.
Syria: Nine camps w/129,457 Registered refugees in camps.
Lebanon: Twelve camps w/226,767 Registered refugees in camps.

Another three million live outside theses camps but are not allowed citizenship of their respective host countries. Jordan, of course, is now 70% Palestinian, under rule of the Hashemite minority, right in the center of historic Palestine.

Let us ruminate a minute on that last part….. Palestinians, today living in Palestine, are not allowed their own country. DAMN the Juden!

There is no “PA” or “PLO” problem in these countries today. Jordan and Egypt have each proven that when these congregations of people begin any type of revolt, a call to arms for a land and government of their own, those congregations of people are summarily killed and/or forced to “evacuate”. - Of course for Arab countries it truly is just that easy. Brutality is daily throughout. Very few “peace loving” liberal Westerners will raise a collective dander.

The “Great Cause” has next to nothing to do with “Palestinians” or where they’re held captive.

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By Robert, June 16, 2011 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

Yep GRYMie…According to the data / information below, there are 27 official Palestinian refugee camps in the WEST BANK & GAZA. This puts them right under Israel’s brutal occupation. Are they better off than the ones in the Arab countries? Are they equal to the “for Jews only settlements/camps” when it comes to roads, resources, freedom, jobs, medical care…etc…

THE TRUTH PENETRATES THROUGH ALL BARRIERS…


Just exposing your Israeli deceptions & fanatic zionist hasbara stench…grymie!!!


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West Bank

The West Bank has 19 official camps with 194,514 refugees.


Gaza Strip

The Gaza Strip has eight official camps with 478,854 refugees.

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Heart of Jenin

Map: Palestinian Refugee Camps

 

“Jenin refers both to a city in the West Bank and to the adjoining Jenin Refugee Camp. In Heart of Jenin, Khatib’s family lives in the camp, along with about 12,000 fellow Palestinian refugees.

The Jenin camp looks like an established city because it has been there since 1953. It is one of 58 Palestinian refugee camps in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria where an estimated 1.3 million Palestinians live.

The camps were created when Palestinians were expelled from their homes in 1948 during the creation of Israel, and again after Israel occupied additional land in 1967.

 

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/heart-of-jenin/map-palestinian-refugee-camps/5089/


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West Bank

The West Bank has 19 official camps with 194,514 refugees.

      1950, Aida, 4,151
      1949, Am’ari, 8,083
      1948, Aqabat Jabr, 5,197
      1950, Arroub, 9,180
      1950, Askar, 31,894
      1950, Balata, 41,681
      1950, Beit Jibrin (‘Azza), 1,828
      1950, Camp No.1 (Ein Beit al-Ma’), 6,221
      1949, Deir Ammar, 2,189
      1949, Dheisheh, 10,923
      1948, Ein as-Sultan, 1,888
      1949, Far’a, 11,836
      1949, Fawwar, 7,072
      1949, Jalazone, 9,284
      1953, Jenin, 35,050
      1949, Kalandia, 9,188
      1952, Nur Shams, 8,179
      1965, Shu’fat, 9,567
      1950, Tulkarm, 17,259
  Gaza Strip

The Gaza Strip has eight official camps with 478,854 refugees.

      1948, Beach camp (Shati), 76,109
      1949, Bureij, 30,059
      1948, Deir el-Balah camp, 20,188
      1948, Jabalia (Jabaliya), 103,646
      1949, Khan Yunis, 60,662
      1949, Maghazi, 22,536
      1949, Nuseirat, 64,233
      1949, Rafah camp, 90,638

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_refugee_camps

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By Shingo, June 16, 2011 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

>> Your heroes, your beloved Zawahiri, bin laden, Nasrallah and Ahmadinejad are looking smaller today, nay?

Zawahiri and Bin Lden were CIA assets, so they are more likely to be your heros. Nasrallah leads a political party in Lebanon, that hapopen to kick Israel’s ass twice.

>> Nature gave you two eyes.

You said this already.  have you bee to those refugee camps GRYM?  Have you been to Mecca and Medina?

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By Shingo, June 16, 2011 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

>> Your tirades against the Juden does not mask the fact that you had no idea until yesterday that there are more human beings suffering in camps in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan than there are in the West Bank and Gaza.

Your diatribes against Palestinians does not mask the fact that those people in the camps ended up there because ISral ethnically clenwed them from Israel.  In fact, Israel is stil doing it to thi dayhaving just cancelled the residency permits fo 140,000 Palestinians.

Ethnic cleansing on the quiet.

If you ghad any concernes for the the plight of those in teh refugee camps, then you would be lobbying the ISreli government to allow them to return to their homes.  After all, it’s what the refugees want.

But you won’t do that becasue it threatenes your facist, racist, apartheid utopia.

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By diamond, June 16, 2011 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

“If you do ask me a question regarding anything I write just be sure to ask me about what I actually write.  Not what you see.”

Not what I see? Who are you? The judge out of ‘The Trial’? Or maybe you’re the one out of ‘Alice in Wonderland’ -“First the verdict, then the trial.” What you write is untrue so I prefer to write about what I see, since you seem to have a visual defect that means you cannot see any fact about Israel’s atrocious, illegal behavior towards anyone who gets in the way of their war mongering, land grabbing fantasy without wanting to turn it into a lie: the bigger the better. Which is why you couldn’t respond to those questions. Confronted with the actual truth you refuse to answer. That says it all.

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By PatrickHenry, June 16, 2011 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

GFYS,

Do you need a link so you can know something of how Arab nations treat Palestinians?  Do you need me to hold your hand and walk you thru the “Black September” massacre in Jordan?

No, knowing how academically lazy you are and how frequently read your version of ‘the facts’ into a hasbaric delusion.

I looked them up myself.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Black_September_in_Jordan

Do you feel capable enough to locate for yourself how Jordan, unlike Israel, would never think of dealing with the PLO for decades on end?  How Jordan simply expelled to Lebanon all the PLO the government was unable to kill?

The Jordanians were just a later victim of Israels 67’ war.  By displacing an large, armed Palestinian population by land seizure, the refugees had to retreat elsewhere and Jordan let them in.

As with most relatives who come to visit, after a year or so they have to go.  The armed ones at least.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 16, 2011 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Ribbie Nasrallah - “Yours zionist cage & chains are being pulled & rattled…eh!!!”

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I am certain you care nothing for human suffering just yet. I’ve seen it so many times. Nothing about your hate rattles me.  One day you may see the world beyond your hate of Jews.

Rocked your world when you came to understand that there are millions of Palestinians imprisoned in Arab countries, nay?  You were clueless before yesterday, yes?  You have clearly been brought to anger to learn that it’s actually the United States who provides more food, medicine, text books, and proscription drugs to the Fifty-odd refugee camps in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon than do all Arab Nations combined. 

Your heroes, your beloved Zawahiri, bin laden, Nasrallah and Ahmadinejad are looking smaller today, nay?

Nature gave you two eyes.

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By Robert, June 16, 2011 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

GRYMie said:

“We could go thru the useless practice of comparing atrocities for months, even years.  That will never change the fact that you simply care nothing of real suffering.”

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Whats the matter GRYMie…the topic of this thread is about the “The myths of Israeli History”...is it not? Yours zionist cage & chains are being pulled & rattled…eh!!!

You’ve been scraping your GRIME bucket in an attempt to divert, distract, side-tract, change the topic…and so on…regarding the crimes/massacres & suffering of the Palestinian people…at the bloody hands of your beloved Apartheid/Racist Israel & its terrorist gangs.

You are one lying & sick fanatical zionist!!! We are exposing Israel’s fanatical ideology and its crimes against humanity.

So stick around…it gives me & others a great opportunity to expose the lies & deceptions of Israel’s fanatics & their racist ideology!!!

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By Go Right Young Man, June 16, 2011 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

Robert Nasrallah,

We could go thru the useless practice of comparing atrocities for months, even years.  That will never change the fact that you simply care nothing of real suffering.

Your tirades against the Juden does not mask the fact that you had no idea until yesterday that there are more human beings suffering in camps in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan than there are in the West Bank and Gaza. 

Yours is a willful ignorance drowned in hate and racism.

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By Robert, June 16, 2011 at 7:52 am Link to this comment

Hey GRYMie…Did you forget to take your daily medications for your bi-polar disorder(s)? And while your are at it…go ahead put on your safety helmet to protect your infected skull…that concrete block wall may be too on your narcissistic head!!!

You left out the Israeli/zionist invasion of Lebanon in 1982. The Israeli army’s invasion/occupation of Lebanon left more than 30,000 people dead & many thousands injured…

You & your sick zionist ideology / hasbara are continuously being exposed right here in front of everyone’s eyes.

Now…scroll down for the GRIM news regarding zionism’s terror in Palestine…


AND BTW, ZIONIST TERRORISTS WERE THE FIRST WHO BROUGHT/INTRODUCED & USED TERROR IN PALESTINE TO KILL CIVILIANS & CREATE HAVOC SO THE BRITISH & THE PALESTINIANS WOULD BE FORCED TO LEAVE.

Jews lived peacefully in Palestine long before the zionists arrived with their terror & destruction.


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Past Zionist-Jewish Terrorism -

Some Historical Facts

From A Concerned American

3-23-2


Following are just a few of the many massacres committed by Jewish-Zionist terrorists, notably by the Zionist Hagana, Irgun and Stern Gang groups.


Don’t expect any Hollywood films highlighting any of these massacres:


1. King David Hotel, July 22, 1946.
2. Sharafat, Feb. 7, 1951.
3. Deir Yassin, April 10, 1948.
4. Falameh, April 2, 1951.
5. Naseruddine, April 14, 1948.
6. Quibya, Oct. 14, 1953.
7. Carmel, April 20, 1948.
8. Nahalin, March, 28, 1954.
9. Al-Qabu, May 1, 1948.
10. Gaza, Feb. 28, 1955.
11. Beit Kiras, May 3, 1948.
12. Khan Yunis, May 31, 1955.
13. Beitkhoury, May 5, 1948.
14. Khan Yunis Again, Aug. 31, 1955
15. Az-Zaytoun, May 6, 1948.
16. Tiberia, Dec. 11, 1955.
17. Wadi Araba, May 13, 1950.
18. As-Sabha, Nov. 2, 1955.
19. Gaza Again, April 5, 1956.
20. Houssan, Sept. 25, 1956.
21. Rafa, Aug. 16, 1956.
22. Qalqilyah, Oct. 10, 1956.
23. Ar-Rahwa, Sept. 12, 1956.
24. Kahr Kassem, Oct. 29, 1956.
25. Gharandal, Sept. 13, 1956.
26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956.
26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956.

July 22, 1946: The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed, killing 91 people.

Menachem Begin, who was later awarded the Nobel Prize for peace, is the same man who planned the destruction of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin. Ex prime minister, Shamir, was originally a member of the Jewish terrorist gang called Irgun, which was headed by none other than Menachem Begin. Shamir later moved over to the even more radical “Stern Gang,” which committed many vicious atrocities.

Shamir himself has defended the various assassinations committed by the Irgun and Stern gangs on the grounds that “it was the only way we could operate, because we were so small. So it was more efficient and more moral to go for selected targets.” The selected moral targets in those early days of the founding of the state of Israel included bombing of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin.

April 9, 1948: A combined force of Irgun and Stern Gangs committed a brutal massacre of 260 Arab residents of the village of Deir Yassin. Most of whom were women and children. The Israeli hordes even attacked the dead to satisfy their bestial tendencies. In April, 1954, during Holy Week, and on the eve of Easter, The Christian cemeteries in Haifa were invaded, crosses broken down and trampled under the feet of these miscreants, and the tombs desecrated. The Israeli military conquest, therefore was made against a defenseless people, who had been softened up by such earlier massacres at Deir Yasin (where 250 Arabs; men, women and children were massacred).”

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Click on link for the rest on Zionism’s terrorism in Palestine…BTW, 4 of the Zionist terrorists became prime ministers (Ben Gurion, Menachem Begin, Shamir & Sharon) of Apartheid Israel:

http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm

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By Go Right Young Man, June 16, 2011 at 5:17 am Link to this comment

PHenry,

Do you need a link so you can know something of how Arab nations treat Palestinians?  Do you need me to hold your hand and walk you thru the “Black September” massacre in Jordan?

Do you feel capable enough to locate for yourself how Jordan, unlike Israel, would never think of dealing with the PLO for decades on end?  How Jordan simply expelled to Lebanon all the PLO the government was unable to kill?

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By Shingo, June 16, 2011 at 5:14 am Link to this comment

GRYM,

The numbers for the Hama massacre, they vary from 1000 to 20,000.  In any case, Syria is no democracy and it certainly was not one then.  No one excuses that took place,  it was an appalling act of barbarism by a regime protecting it’s power.

What is it about Mecca and Medina that you’re so obsessed about GRYM?  Do you want to go there?
You’ve mentioned Mecca and Medina already, so it appears you’ve run out of talking points and are resorting to recycling your Hasbara.  Saudi Arabia is among the most vile and corrupt societies on earth, but it seems that desperate Zionists like you are prepared to lower the bar to any level to exonerate Israel.  Apartheid South Africa recognized freedom of religion.

No doubt you want to are suggesting that Mecca and Medina is about Islam, when it’s about the policies of the Saudi government – a government who Israel stood shoulder to shoulder with in defence of Mubarak.

You will continue to fret over 1.5 million people in Gaza and the West Bank and remain completely ignorant of the 2.3 million living in squalid camps in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan.  Links?  Or can you simply research data on UNRWA?

Those 2.3 million are people that Israel refuses to allow to return to their homes, having expelled them from Israel in 1948 as part of a plan of deliberate ethnic cleansing.

You will put all your focus on the human rights abuses of Israel and thoroughly ignore that homosexuals are put to death in Iran. ?

How many homosexuals have been put to death in Iran GRYM?  Israel kills more people per week than all the homosexuals put to death in a decade.

Or how any girl over the age of 13 will be stoned to death if she reports being raped.

Where are girls over the age of 13 be stoned to death for reporting rape?

  You will continue to put all your racist focus on Jews.  And why?  Because of your beloved Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Usama bin Laden, Ayman Zawahiri, Hassan Nazrallah and Khaled Meshal.

Do you love racism that much GRYM?

  Do you need a few lazy URL’s or can you sit in your comfortable and secure chair and research the numbers of people all of the above have murdered?

As is wlays the case, you won’t produce those few lazy URL’s because they don’t exist. After all, it’s no skin off your nose to provide them, but instead, you will continue to maintain this infantile argument that providing links is beneath you.  Your reasons are still not entirely clear, but liars tend to be evasive and vague.

  Nature gave you eyes.  I hope you one day use them.

How could you have used your eyes unless you’ve been to Mecca, Medina, Iran and the camps in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan?

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By Go Right Young Man, June 16, 2011 at 4:52 am Link to this comment

“It was NOT the Arab states who caused the traumatic saga & the plight of the Palestinian refugees situation.’

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Yes it was.  The “traumatic saga” you refer to began on the day Israel was formally created in 1948. The day several Arab nations attempted to murder every man, woman, and child not fit to live and breath on “Arab Lands”.  You are simply angered and humiliated that all attempts to kill every Jewish man, woman, and child completely failed.

Drop the hate, Robbie Nasrallah.  You’ll see better.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 16, 2011 at 4:38 am Link to this comment

Robert

According to the Syrian Human Rights Committee Hafez Assad ordered killed 40,000 human beings in 1982.  Some people put the number of dead in the range of 20,000 Men, Woman, and Children. - Do you need some links or can you locate the Hama massacre yourself?

You will continue to refer to Israel as an apartheid state while gladly ignoring that Saudi Arabia has within its borders two cities that are closed to all but Muslims. - Do you need a couple of useless links or can you look up Mecca and Medina yourself?

You will continue to fret over 1.5 million people in Gaza and the West Bank and remain completely ignorant of the 2.3 million living in squalid camps in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan.  Links?  Or can you simply research data on UNRWA?

You will put all your focus on the human rights abuses of Israel and thoroughly ignore that homosexuals are put to death in Iran. Or how any girl over the age of 13 will be stoned to death if she reports being raped.

We could do this for months and get nowhere.  You will continue to put all your racist focus on Jews.  And why?  Because of your beloved Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Usama bin Laden, Ayman Zawahiri, Hassan Nazrallah and Khaled Meshal.

Do you need a few lazy URL’s or can you sit in your comfortable and secure chair and research the numbers of people all of the above have murdered?

Nature gave you eyes.  I hope you one day use them.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2011 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

PHenry,

It’s not possible that you were unable to locate several thousand references which bolster what I’ve written on this subject.  Simply not possible.

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By Robert, June 15, 2011 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

GRYMie…said:

“So little, in fact, that you had no idea until this minute that these people existed, or how they’re not permitted to immigrate into their host nations. Or how no other Arab nation will take them in.  These people are intentionally kept in squalor.  By Arabs!”

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It was NOT the Arab states who caused the traumatic saga & the plight of the Palestinian refugees situation.

It was your beloved Apartheid/Racist Israel & its well armed zionist terrorists who committed dozens of massacres in Palestinian towns & villages. As you can see, Israel & its zionist crimes are well documented against a mostly unarmed civilian population. Below is one of many documentations:


Here is a testimony of an Israeli soldier who participated in the massacre at al Duwayima Village, on October 29, 1948:

[They] killed between 80 to 100 Arabs, women and children. To kill the children they fractured their heads with sticks. There was not one house without corpses. The men and women of the villages were pushed into houses without food or water. Then the saboteurs came to dynamite the houses. One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a house he was about to blow up… Another soldier prided himself upon having raped an Arab woman before shooting her to death. Another Arab woman with her newborn baby was made to clean the place for a couple of days, and then they shot her and the baby. Educated and well-mannered commanders who were considered ‘good guys’...became base murderers, and this not in the storm of battle, but as a method of expulsion and extermination. The fewer the Arabs who remained, the better.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/ref-qumsiyeh.html


Several million Palestinians in the West Bank, East Jerusalem & Gaza still live under the brutal occupation of Israel’s army. Its like a massive refugee camp where Israel’s IDF killers control the Palestinian populations, land, roads & the vital resources. They have NO freedom when compared with the “for Jews only settlements” that are right there next to the Palestinian towns & they are losing ground, resources & a normal life for themselves and their children on a daily basis.

The Arab states are NOT responsible for the Palestinians…Israelis receives massive American aid…they should compensate the Palestinians for their losses & they should withdraw their brutal army to the pre-June 1967 borders and give the Palestinians their long desired freedom & relieve them of zionism’s oppressive occupation.

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By PatrickHenry, June 15, 2011 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment

grym,

Still not one verifiable link from you.  Mostly from US propaganda organs.  The US may be portrayed as the largest contibutor to the PNA, it is not the largest contributor to the Palestinian people.

For every link you post (usually US biased and based) I can provide one from an internationally recognized aid outfit which claims otherwise.

http://www.globalhumanitarianassistance.org/countryprofile/palestine

Your data indicates that the US only gives to the PNA, however data I have already provided states the arabs typically bypass the PNA as it is rife with corruption and does not represent the Palestinian people, HAMAS does represent them with over 70% of elected representatives.

If you get into the minutae of the US aid spent, The majority comes in the form of PNA police training, arms and ammunition. Typically done by contractors who overbill.

Now go back to your cubicle.

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By Shingo, June 15, 2011 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment

The per capita U.S. foreign aid to Israel’s 5.8 million people during the same period was $10,775.48. This meant that for every dollar the U.S. spent on an African, it spent $250.65 on an Israeli, and for every dollar it spent on someone from the Western Hemisphere outside the United States, it spent $214 on an Israeli.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_israel.html

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By Shingo, June 15, 2011 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

  The United States does lend more help to the Palestinian cause than any single nation on earth.  More than every Arab nation combined. For sixty years!

That’s demonstrably false GRYM.  It’s already been debunked, so why do you persists with this false claim?

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By Shingo, June 15, 2011 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

he claim that “Currently, the Palestinians are the largest per capita”  has already been debunked.  All your soures point back to the Congressional Research Service, who’s report rdeliberately omits all the sumpemnmtal funding, private donations and loan guarantees that Israel receives.

The numbers cited include all donations worldwide in 2006, which amounted to 3.96 billion for that year.

In comparion, the study does not look into all th ecuplemental funding that Isrel receives, on top of the loan guarentess (that it does not repay).

The US WAS the largest largest single country donor in 2006 only.  That was 5 years ago and as all the sources provided to your atetst, the EU has overtaken the US and the Saudi’s have overtaken the US as the largest single country donor.

Frot traub’s pice at Foreign Polic, you quoted a line from the comments section, not Traub.

You’re so sleazy and deceptive GRYM.

In fact, one of the commenters ponited out that the “US gives Israel about $1500 per capita. Multiply by Israel’s population of around 7 million, and I get about ten and a half billion, more than three times the amount implied by $10 million a day.”

From your link to voanews.com, the argument is made that the 10 million spent on teh trainign facility in Jericho, which the lying authro claims is for the benefit of the Palestinians.  In fact, it’s for Israel’s benefit.  The secuity forces are not to defend against Israel, but to crush Palestinian resistance to Israel.

Your tax dollars at work funding ‘Palestinian

God knows why you linked to this article.  All it proves is trhat the US is paying off Fatah to do it’s and Israel’s dirty work.

U.S. tops list of supporters for Palestinian relief agency | ReliefWeb

You left out that the US is second to the European Community as contributor.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2011 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

diamond,

By the way: I would be more than happy to answer any legitimate question. I’ll not be participating in any of your tests, however.

If you do ask me a question regarding anything I write just be sure to ask me about what I actually write.  Not what you see.

The United States does lend more help to the Palestinian cause than any single nation on earth.  More than every Arab nation combined. For sixty years! - This simple and easily verifiable fact REALLY pisses people off, nay?  Not many here agree that others should be aware of this very real context. It doesn’t bode well for “The Great Cause”.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2011 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

diamond, - “The reason you don’t answer a single question is not because I’m insipid but because you know it’s all there in the report and you will never admit to yourself or any one else that Israel has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity for decades…..”

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Nothing could be further from the truth.  I am fully aware of the atrocious behaviors on all sides, while you myopically concern yourself solely with your contempt of Jews. - Think small, be small.

I see no reason to mimic those who are documenting Israeli atrocities. There are dozens of people right here doing that very well.  About as many as throw their unrelenting support toward Hamas.

Authentic courage comes from owning your racist attitudes.

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Khaled Meshal.

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By diamond, June 15, 2011 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment

You’re just a coward GRYM. The reason you don’t answer a single question is not because I’m insipid but because you know it’s all there in the report and you will never admit to yourself or any one else that Israel has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity for decades in its quest to take the whole of Palestine and to destroy the Palestinians and has never been held to account for any of it. I take your silence for what it is, an admission of guilt and an admission that the conclusions of the UN report are accurate, as we both know they are.

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By Robert, June 15, 2011 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

Ahad Ha’Am-A Brief Biography & Quotes


1856-1927

Ahad Ha’Am a liberal Russian Jewish thinker and a leading Eastern European Jewish essayist, who visited Palestine in 1891 for three months.


BASED On Declassified Israeli Documents & Personal Diaries

In 1891 Ahad Ha’Am opened many Jewish eyes to the fact the Palestine was not empty, but populated with its indigenous people when he wrote:

 
We abroad are used to believe the Eretz Yisrael is now almost totally desolate, a desert that is not sowed ..... But in truth that is not the case. Throughout the country it is difficult to find fields that are not sowed. Only sand dunes and stony mountains .... are not cultivated.” (Righteous Victims, p. 42)


In 1891 Ahad Ha’Am similarly wrote of the Palestinians:

  “If a time comes when our people in Palestine develop so that, in small or great measure, they push out the native inhabitants, these will not give up their place easily.” (Righteous Victims, p. 49)

Ahad Ha’Am published a series of articles in the Hebrew periodical Hameliz that were sharply critical of the ethnocentricity of political Zionism as well as the exploitation of the Palestinian peasantry by the Zionist colonists. Ahad Ha’Am sought to draw attention to the fact the Palestine was not empty territory and that the presence of another people posed problems:

  ” ....[the Zionist pioneers believed that] the only language the Arabs understand is that of force ..... [They] behave towards the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly upon their boundaries, beat them shamefully without reason and even brag about it, and nobody stands to check this contemptible and dangerous tendency.” (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 7)


In a pamphlet under the heading line of “Truth from Eretz Yisrael” published in 1891, Ahad Ha’Am wrote of how Jewish settlers at the time treated the indigenous Palestinian people:

  “[The Jewish settlers] treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly, beat them shamelessly for no sufficient reason, and even take pride in doing so. The Jews were slaves in the land of their Exile, and suddenly they found themselves with unlimited freedom, wild freedom that ONLY exists in a land like Turkey. This sudden change has produced in their hearts an inclination towards repressive tyranny, as always happens when slave rules.”‘Ahad Ha’Am warned: “We are used to thinking of the Arabs as primitive men of the desert, as a donkey-like nation that neither sees nor understands what is going around it. But this is a GREAT ERROR. The Arab, like all sons of Sham, has sharp and crafty mind . . . Should time come when life of our people in Palestine imposes to a smaller or greater extent on the natives, they WILL NOT easily step aside.” (One Palestine Complete, p. 104) How accurate ‘Ahad Ha’Am description was even after more a 100 years plus of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict! The conduct of most Israelis, especially in the occupied territories, is very much similar to the way ‘Ahad portrayed early Jewish settlers’ conduct over a century ago.

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Click for the details:

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story642.html

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2011 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Robert,

Never again will I provide a link.  I don’t expect you to understand my reasons.  I can tell you that whining about it is a display in incompetence.  Do your own work if you care as much as you claim.*  Nothing I have written here should take more than a few minutes of searching and, maybe, thirty minutes of reading.

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The United States is, unquestionably, the single largest benefactor to the Palestinian people on this entire globe.  We’re talking about human beings trapped, imprisoned, in Fifty-Eight refugee camps in Five Arab Nations. An estimated 4,820,229 human beings.  Most of them trapped in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. And you could not care any less.  So little, in fact, that you had no idea until this minute that these people existed, or how they’re not permitted to immigrate into their host nations. Or how no other Arab nation will take them in.  These people are intentionally kept in squalor.  By Arabs!

Explain how any of this is wrong or incorrect if you’re able. If you can’t, well, then every single thing you and most others have written here is out of all global context.

You believe in a “cause” you’ve been told you should believe in.  You are not interested in real suffering.

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I will remain here exposing you for what you are.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2011 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

9,300,000 results (0.24 seconds)

It took all of 0.24 seconds to locate what No Single Individual Here was willing to do for themselves.  In fact, it would be impossible to check my previous statements on this subject and NOT have come across hundreds of thousands of links in support of what I wrote.

Sad.

The United States is, by far, the largest single donor to Palestinian relief efforts. 

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By Robert, June 15, 2011 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment

Palestinian Refugees Right to Return and Repatriation


“In 1948, 804,767 Palestinian men, women, and children were forced to flee their homes. This photograph shows a train of Palestinians who were soon to become lifelong refugees.”

Mazin Qumsiyeh, PhD


Excerpted from Sharing the Land of Canaan: Human Rights and the Israeli-Palestinian Struggle


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“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people… It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn’t exist.”

  - Golda Meir statement to the Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.


The Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot interviewing Israeli foreign Minister Shimon Peres (Oct. 5, 2001): Y.A.: “I was wondering, would [the Palestinian] dreams about Jaffa and Haifa suddenly disappear?” Peres: “On this issue I recommend to kill and annihilate.”


Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own and return, to his country.”

  - Universal Declaration on Human Rights, Article 13


“Here is a testimony of an Israeli soldier who participated in the massacre at al Duwayima Village, on October 29, 1948:

 

[They] killed between 80 to 100 Arabs, women and children. To kill the children they fractured their heads with sticks. There was not one house without corpses. The men and women of the villages were pushed into houses without food or water. Then the saboteurs came to dynamite the houses. One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a house he was about to blow up… Another soldier prided himself upon having raped an Arab woman before shooting her to death. Another Arab woman with her newborn baby was made to clean the place for a couple of days, and then they shot her and the baby. Educated and well-mannered commanders who were considered ‘good guys’...became base murderers, and this not in the storm of battle, but as a method of expulsion and extermination. The fewer the Arabs who remained, the better.13

Morris cites similar testimonies.

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Click on link for much detail:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/ref-qumsiyeh.html

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By Robert, June 15, 2011 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

WHY DON’T YOU PRACTICE WHAT YOU’VE BEEN ATTEMPTING TO PREACH…YOU’RE SCRAPING YOUR GRIME BUCKET…IN AN ATTEMPT TO SHIELD YOUR EXPOSED REAR END!!!


And BTW…Why aren’t you providing us those statistics???...with links of course…MR MASSIVE-Researcher…LOA !!! And while you are at it…go ahead & provide the others ...with links!!!

No Integrity & No Shame…for your sick narcissism!!!

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2011 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

Robert,

Now I’ve plagiarized?  Nice try, however, changing the subject every time you become uncomfortable will never change minds.

You pretend to know and understand U.S. aid to Israel, and it’s clear to everyone that you profess to “care” about human beings but, do you know how many Palestinian refugee camps currently exist?

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By Robert, June 15, 2011 at 9:09 am Link to this comment

Three Myths of Israel’s Insecurity
And Why They Must Be Debunked

 
By Ira Chernus


“Here are the Three Sacred Commandments for Americans who shape the public conversation on Israel:


1. For politicians, especially at the federal level: As soon as you say the word “Israel,” you must also say the word “security” and promise that the United States will always, always, always be committed to Israel’s security. If you occasionally label an action by the Israeli government “unhelpful,” you must immediately reaffirm the eternal U.S. commitment to Israel’s security.


2. For TV talking heads and op-ed pundits: If you criticize any policies or actions of the Israeli government, you must immediately add that Israel does, of course, have very real and serious security needs that have to be addressed.


3. For journalists covering the Israel-Palestine conflict for major American news outlets: You must live in Jewish Jerusalem or in Tel Aviv and take only occasional day trips into the Occupied Territories. So your reporting must inevitably be slanted toward the perspective of the Jews you live among. And you must indicate in every report that Jewish Israeli life is dominated by anxiety about security.


U.S. opinion-shapers have obeyed the Three Commandments scrupulously for decades. As a result, they’ve created an indelible image of Israel as a deeply insecure nation. That image is a major, if often overlooked, factor that has shaped and continues to shape Washington’s policies in the Middle East and especially the longstanding American tilt toward Israel.


It’s often said that the number one factor in that tilt is the power of the right-wing “pro-Israel” (more accurately, “pro-Israeli-government”) lobby. That lobby certainly is a skillful, well-oiled machine. It uses every trick in the PR book to promote the myth of Israel as a brave little nation constantly forced to fight for its life against enemies all around who are eager to destroy it, a Jewish David withstanding the Arab Goliath. The lobby justifies everything Israel does to the Palestinians—military occupation, economic strangulation, expanding settlements, confiscating land, demolishing homes, imprisoning children—as perhaps unfortunate but absolutely necessary for Israel’s self-defense.”

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Click on link for the rest of details:


{Ira Chernus is Professor of Religious Studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder. He is a Jewish Peace Activist.}

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175380/tomgram:_ira_chernus,_the_great_israeli_security_scam/#more

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By Robert, June 15, 2011 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

GRYMie...To me, you are nothing but an out right plagiarizing LIAR!!! The filth that you put out here is nothing but Zionist propaganda GRIME!!!


WHERE ARE THE LINKS TO THE STATISTICS…MR MASSIVE RESEARCHER???? What a total fraud…you are!

YOU ARE A SICK…INDEED!!!  WHICH PSYCHO WARDS / ASYLUMs HAVE YOU BEEN CONFINED TO???

Your NARCISSISM & boasting(bi-polar symptoms) are so transparent to all…

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2011 at 8:03 am Link to this comment

diamond, - “Your time starts now.”

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That will never work with me.  You can’t be constantly insipid then expect me to take a test for you.

Insipid: Look it up.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2011 at 7:55 am Link to this comment

Robert,

You’ve been truly entertaining to watch. 

I wrote that the United States is the single largest donor to Palestinian relief efforts and you absolutely lose your mind.  You desperately turn the attention to U.S. funds going to Israel.

Do you understand that the Israelis and Palestinians are two group sets which receive the largest U.S. contributions?  Do you even know how many Palestinian refugee camps exist?

You have yet to couple human suffering with real human-beings.

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By Shingo, June 15, 2011 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

GRYM,

>> The first URL you share here outlines how Iran, according to Hamas, is the largest donor to Hamas.

Somehow you missed the healine, which reads that “‘Iran replaces EU as top Palestinian donor”, which implies that the US was never the largest Palestinian donor.

How did you miss that GRYM? Do you hasbrats practice sitting in a room with an elephant and practice not seeing it?

>>  The last link you shared reports that “the U.S. administration, the largest single donor to the Palestinians, withheld funds when Hamas was a part of a short-lived unity Palestinian government.” - The U.S. doesn’t support Hamas. SURPRISE!

Clearly, according to the all records, the US is not the largest single donor to the Palestinians and the link makes no reference to that data.

>> I would rather you read the information over mindlessly posting links and wasting people’s time.

We woudl rather you simply didn’t waste people’s time.  Nothing you’ve posted has suported has been factually corerct or even true.

I’m still waiting for all those Eiki references that prove the US is teh largest single donor to the Palestinians.

>> You are correct about one thing.  I’m not entitled to my own facts.

Seeing as you’ve never cited any, what difference does it make?

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2011 at 4:33 am Link to this comment

PHenry,

How odd.  Not sure you actually read from the Web spaces you link to.

The first URL you share here outlines how Iran, according to Hamas, is the largest donor to Hamas.  No one should have a problem believing that as that has been the case for MANY years. Iran supports the known terrorist organ, Hamas.  SURPRISE!

The two following links don’t speak to the issue at all. - Odd.

The last link you shared reports that “the U.S. administration, the largest single donor to the Palestinians, withheld funds when Hamas was a part of a short-lived unity Palestinian government.” - The U.S. doesn’t support Hamas. SURPRISE!

I would rather you read the information over mindlessly posting links and wasting people’s time.

You are correct about one thing.  I’m not entitled to my own facts.

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By PatrickHenry, June 15, 2011 at 3:09 am Link to this comment

Shingo,

Add to that the trade agreement that Israel has with the US, that is so rediculously skewed to favor Israel that declassified government documents have described the arrangement as a $10 billion/year foreign aid program.

Yeah, and the US Chamber of commerce is tired of it.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110524006801/en/6.64-Billion-Damages-Sought-Israeli-Government-AIPAC

Just more of that ‘special relationship’ we have with that country.

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By Shingo, June 14, 2011 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

Robert,

Add to that the trade agreement that Israel has with the US, that is so rediculously skewed to favor Israel that declassified government documents have described the arrangement as a $10 billion/year foreign aid program.

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By Robert, June 14, 2011 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

Thank god we have a Jewish state to protect us from anti-Semitism


American-Jewish young man is being harassed and treated unfairly he is then arrested in Jerusalem

06.09.2011 | YouTube

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If the Israeli police/IDF can aggressively ruff-up a young Jewish-American man/kid, with cameras on,... just imagine what they do to Palestinians off cameras. 


Click on link to watch video—-must see !!!:

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/american-jewish-young-man-is-being-harassed-and-treated-unfairly-he-is-then-arrested-in-jerusalem/

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By diamond, June 14, 2011 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

“But I have.”

I don’t believe you. If you’ve read it, quote me something from it that condemns Israel’s crimes during the invasion. And stop talking about ‘blood libel’ and pretending the United Nations holds debates on Jewish cooking classes. You really are a very unserious and devious person.

If you’ve read the UN Report on the invasion of Gaza you’ll find these questions easy:

1. Who was appointed head of the inquiry and what were his qualifications?

2. How did the mission go about gathering evidence?

3. Did Israel cooperate with the mission?

4. What conclusion did the mission come to on the Gaza blockade as to its legality under the 4th Geneva Convention?

5. How many Palestinians were killed during Cast Lead? How many Israelis were killed? How many Palestinian children were casualties of the invasion?

6. Did the mission find that Israel deliberately attacked the al-Quds hospital and an adjacent ambulance depot with white phosphorous shells?

7. Did the mission find that Israel carried out mortar shelling of the al-Fakhura junction in Jalabiyah next to an UNRWA school were 1,300 people were sheltering?

8. Did the mission find that none of the Israeli attacks on civilians (including on a group waving a white flag) had any justifiable military purpose?

9. Did the mission find that the IDF bombed a house killing 22 members of one family?

10. Did the mission find that the IDF repeatedly used Palestinian civilians as human shields including men who were handcuffed and blindfolded and forced to enter houses ahead of IDF soldiers?

Your time starts now.

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By Robert, June 14, 2011 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment

Components of Israel Aid


Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. aid since World War II (not counting the huge sums being spent in Iraq). The $3 billion or so per year that Israel receives from the U.S. amounts to about $500 per Israeli. Most of this money is earmarked in the annual Foreign Operations (foreign aid) appropriations bills, with the three major items being military grants (Foreign Military Financing, or FMF), economic grants (Economic Support Funds, or ESF), and “migration and refugee assistance.” (Refugee assistance originally was intended to help Israel absorb Jewish refugees from the Soviet Union, but this was expanded in 1985 to include all refugees resettling in Israel. In fact, Israel doesn’t differentiate between refugees and other immigrants, so this money is used for all immigrants to Israel.)

Not earmarked but also included in congressional appropriations bills is Israel’s portion of grants for American Schools and Hospitals Abroad (ASHA) and monies buried in the appropriations for other departments or agencies. These are mostly for so-called “U.S.-Israeli cooperative programs” in defense, agriculture, science, and hi-tech industries.

Before 1998, Israel received annually $1.8 billion in military grants and $1.2 billion in economic grants. Then, beginning in FY ”˜99, the two countries agreed to reduce economic grants to Israel by $120 million and increase military grants by $60 million annually over 10 years. FY ’08 is the last year of that agreement, with military grants reaching $2.4 billion (reduced by an across-the-board rescission), and zero economic grants. Then, in August 2007, U.S. and Israeli officials signed a memorandum of understanding for a new 10-year, $30 billion aid package whereby FMF will gradually increase, beginning with $2.55 billion in FY ’09, and average $3 billion per year over the 10-year period.

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Click on link for details/tables:

http://www.wrmea.com/component/content/article/245-2008-november/3845-congress-watch-a-conservative-estimate-of-total-direct-us-aid-to-israel-almost-114-billion.html

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By Shingo, June 14, 2011 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

Personally, I never use Wiki as an authentic source

But Grym,

You stated that if oen were to follow the references, which are authentic, one would find ample evidence that the US gives more aid than the rest of the Arab word combined right?

So where are those references?

The only thing you could demonstrate, was that the EU (madeup of 27 states) contributes the most.

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By PatrickHenry, June 14, 2011 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

Personally, I never use Wiki as an authentic source

I know, facts rarely enter your obtuse reasoning. 

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/15/israel.iran

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/02/world/main4837268.shtml

http://www.masader.ps/p/en/node/7929


And so much for U.S. Aid.

http://www.oregonherald.com/news/show-story.cfm?id=241759

Don’t I wish Israel had this conviction.

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By PatrickHenry, June 14, 2011 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

Personally, I never use Wiki as an authentic source

I know, facts rarely enter your obtuse reasoning. 

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/15/israel.iran

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/02/world/main4837268.shtml

http://www.masader.ps/p/en/node/7929


And so much for U.S. Aid.

http://www.oregonherald.com/news/show-story.cfm?id=241759

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By Shingo, June 14, 2011 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

>> I know firsthand that the UNHRC has classified Israel as the principal human rights violator in the world today.

What are you tryuign to achieve by pushing these lies GRYM? UNHRC has never made this statement.

>> I know that such egregious human rights violations as those of China in Tibet and Russia in Chechnya don’t even come to the floor for discussion.

False again.

BBC News | EUROPE | UN condemns Russia over Chechnya
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1288414.stm
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=23719&Cr=Chechnya&Cr1;=
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2002/03/17/memorandum-united-nations-commission-human-rights-human-rights-situation-chechnya

>> I understand the genocide in Rwanda, the ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, the horrifying “communal strife” in Indonesia’s East Timor, the “disappearance” of a few hundred thousand refugees in the Congo, and the ruthless rampage of the Sudanese Muslims against the Christians are not found worthy of the attention of the U.N. Human Rights Commission.

Watching you trying tomake an argument GRYM is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

It’s funny that you should mention the ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia.  The ICJ, wiich answers to the UN, ruled that refugees have a right of return under international law.

East Timor is not part of Indonesia.

RE Congo, here are just a handful of Resolutions.

http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_resolutions04.html
http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_resolutions07.htm
http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_resolutions05.htm


I believe you haven’t got a clue what you are talking about.

>> I further understand that the notion of “blood libel,”

Anotehr meaningless and juvenile term used by Hasbrats when they’ve run out of talking points and crying anti Semitism is no longer having the desired effect.

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By Shingo, June 14, 2011 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

Diamond,

>> And what exactly do you think Israel was doing in Lebanon in 2006 - throwing a garden party?

Israeli leaders have publicly admitted that they targeeted civlians in Lebanon.

What did you think Rabin meant when he bombed southern Lebanon in 1993, killling over a hundred and injuring hundreds more, saying, “The goal of the operation is to get the southern Lebanese population to move northward, hoping that this will tell the Lebanese Government something about the refugees who may get as far north as Beirut.”

What did Golda Meir mean to accomplish when she bombed refugee camps in southern Syria and Lebanon in response to the 1972 Munich disaster; was she attempting to punish the guilty parties or attempting to exact revenge upon anonymous Palestinians?  Does anythone think that Rabin and Peres represented a departure from Israel’s decades-long practice of killing Arab civilians when it seemed prudent to do so?  Or do you simply think that randomly killing civilians does not constitute “terrorism” when practiced by Israeli Prime ministers against Arab civilians, even those in your mother’s homeland?

Then in 1978, Mordecai Gur told this to Ze’ev Schiff:

“In South Lebanon we struck the civilian population consciously, because they deserved it…the importance of Gur’s remarks is the admission that the Israeli Army has always struck civilian populations, purposely and consciously…the Army, he said, has never distinguished civilian [from military] targets…[but] purposely attacked civilian targets even when Israeli settlements had not been struck.”
— Israeli military analyst, Ze’ev Schiff (Haaretz, May 15, 1978).

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By Go Right Young Man, June 14, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

diamond, - “which of course you haven’t read.’

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But I have.

I know firsthand that the UNHRC has classified Israel as the principal human rights violator in the world today. I understand that since its inception, about 25% of its Resolutions have condemned Israel.

I know that such egregious human rights violations as those of China in Tibet and Russia in Chechnya don’t even come to the floor for discussion. I understand the genocide in Rwanda, the ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, the horrifying “communal strife” in Indonesia’s East Timor, the “disappearance” of a few hundred thousand refugees in the Congo, and the ruthless rampage of the Sudanese Muslims against the Christians are not found worthy of the attention of the U.N. Human Rights Commission.

I believe I understand the reasons why all of the above have, so far, been omitted from consideration of U.N. condemnation.

I further understand that the notion of “blood libel,” that Jews use the blood of Muslims and Christians for the baking of their Passover matzos or that Israelis injecting Arab children with the AIDS virus are also earnestly discussed within the UNHRC forum.

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By diamond, June 14, 2011 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

“But, for whatever purpose, the deliberate murder and mutilation of defenseless and innocent civilians can never be warranted by the common law of humanity and by accepted international standards of behavior and international law, even where the use of insurgent force may be understandable and even justified.”

Exactly. Which is why Israel is currently in violation of more UN resolutions than every other country in the world combined. And what exactly do you think Israel was doing in Lebanon in 2006 - throwing a garden party? Israel used cluster bombs in Lebanon and left vast numbers of unexploded bomblets blanketing the ground. For no military purpose whatsoever since they were already in the process of pulling out and a truce had been agreed when they dropped the cluster bombs. They primarily targeted civilians and civilians dwellings. In Gaza they targeted a water purification plant and a sewerage treatment plant blowing up a wall and flooding agricultural land with untreated sewerage. They flattened the largest egg producing facility in Gaza, killing thousands of chickens. These are war crimes because they were not military targets and their destruction was intended to induce disease and starvation among the civilian population. All of this is contained in the UN report on the invasion of Gaza, which of course you haven’t read. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

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By diamond, June 14, 2011 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

“Another Jew hater, another who professed to believe in the “Cause” against the Dogs, Pigs, the Zionist Monkeys is likely dead.”

But hasn’t this guy been declared dead before? Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched, upright, uptight righty. It might be another case of bin Ladenism : the death you get when you’re not really getting a death.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 14, 2011 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

Paul,

It appears I may have misunderstood your reference to U.N. 194 immediately preceding your reference to an annual United Nations vote.

In its entirety I have read 65/16. - Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 14, 2011 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

PHobert,

Another Jew hater, another who professed to believe in the “Cause” against the Dogs, Pigs, the Zionist Monkeys is likely dead.

Al Qaeda’s East Africa chief Fazul Mohammed killed in Somalia


Somali officials confirmed today that Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, al Qaeda’s leader in East Africa and a senior Shabaab commander, was killed at a Somali military checkpoint in Mogadishu earlier this week. Fazul is one of the most wanted terrorists in East Africa for his role in attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania as well as his role within Shabaab.

Read more: http://;)~

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By Russian Paul, June 14, 2011 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment

GRYM - you should be ashamed of yourself. go back and read my previous
comments, i NEVER said UN resolution 194 was voted on annually:


the entire world accepts that israel should withdraw to the june 1967 borders,
a palestinian state should include gaza, the west bank, east jerusalem as
the capital. there should be a fair and just resolution for the refugees in
accordance with UN resolution 194.

this is what the international community calls for… just look it up. “peaceful
settlement of the question of palestine.”

they vote on “peaceful settlement of the palestine question” grym. under
section #18 of this resolution the UN “...stresses the need for justly resolving
the problem of Palestine refugees in conformity with its resolution 194 (III) of
11 December 1948;” 

but you wold’ve known that had you read the official UN sources i provided you
with. did you even check them? let me briefly go over it again for your
convenience:

http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/3822b5e39951876a85256b6e0058a478/6c
985b43ec12ca38852573ad0065dfcc?OpenDocument

be sure to copy the whole link. look specifically under sections #17 and #18.
then go to this link to check the vote.

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/78737260DEE9EC69852573AE00549B9C

look under “annex IV.” 161 countries in favor. 7 opposed.


“Against:  Australia, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia (Federated States of),
Nauru, Palau, United States”

now i say once again, Israel and the US are the only serious impediments to the
peace process. i have provided you with official documentation of how the
world community feels the conflict should be resolved. are all 161 countries
who voted in favor “anti-semetic?” is this YEARLY vote “wrapped in a racist
cloak of hatred?” is it possible that you can present us with a clear, mature,
intelligent response to what i have presented here?

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By omop, June 14, 2011 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

Endless discourse given that the next President of the USA is on record
as quoted in Mother Jones as being body and soul for Israel.

    ” Bachmann’s support for Israel isn’t simply an embrace of an ally in
a historically volatile region; it’s rooted in biblical prophecy.

      “As Bachmann explained in a 2010 speech, she believes that if the
United States turns its back on Israel, “a curse” will be placed on the
land. As proof, she cited Genesis 12:3, in which God says to Abraham,
“The one who curses you I will curse.” It was an uncommonly explicit
blurring of policy and theology from a prominent politician—but for
Bachmann, who’s expected to formally enter the presidential race in the
coming weeks, it was hardly an isolated incident.”

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By Shingo, June 14, 2011 at 5:56 am Link to this comment

GRYM,

>> OH MY!  You’re guilty of the mortal sin of Copying and Pasting..

When one includes links, it’s not plagiarism Mr Reacher.

Yes Robert does it nearly daily and every time he does, he includes a hyperlink to credit his source, unlike you who cut and pasted 1000 words form the State Department web site and provided no citations.
One is an example of scholarly propotocal, the other is plagiarism. 

>>  Did you edit the page yourself?  Because the first link you shared reported the following…

Which your own emphasis conclusively proves that the US is nowhere near the largest donors of aid to the Palestinians, and certainly not larger than all the Arab States combined.  Your emphasis states that the EU (made up of 27 member states), is the largest aid contributor, which is not surprising seeing as the Arab League only comprises 22.

Are you having another senior moment GRYM, because it appears you just shot your own argument to pieces.

>> The obvious problem with Wiki is in how anyone may “edit” its content.  The second problem is in the lack of consistent linear information.

But GRYM, you stated previously that if one searches through Wikipedia, there are “dozens of references to the United States lending more aid to Palestinians than all Arab nations COMBINED”.

So where are those mystery refeneces GRYM?  Do they exist, or are they figments of your imagination?

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By Go Right Young Man, June 14, 2011 at 5:41 am Link to this comment

Henry,

Wiki: Since the 1970s Saudi Arabia has provided foreign assistance to many countries and organizations.

Between 1976 and 2006, Saudi developmental aid amounted to US$49 billion[1], second only to the United States of America. The ODA/GNP ratio averaged 4.2% over this period, well above the highest amount provided by Development Assistance Committee countries (the DAC average is 0.35%).[2] On a per-capita basis, the country is the biggest worldwide donator though the aid has only been given to Muslim countries.[1]

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By Go Right Young Man, June 14, 2011 at 5:24 am Link to this comment

PHenry,

As I wrote previously, I personally don’t care for Wiki.  Wiki content often proves unreliable, however, if you’re absolutely wedded to the idea of using Wiki, and you dig more vigorously, you’ll find dozens of references to the United States lending more aid to Palestinians than all Arab nations COMBINED.

It may also interest you to learn that in 1998 Arafat thanked the United States for being the most prolific benefactor to the Palestinian people.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 14, 2011 at 5:01 am Link to this comment

Paul,

It would be useful if you would criticize the things I actually write. 

UN 194 is not, as you first wrote, voted on annually.  That first bit from you was incorrect, nay?

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By Go Right Young Man, June 14, 2011 at 4:54 am Link to this comment

PHenry.

OH MY!  You’re guilty of the mortal sin of Copying and Pasting. Oh the humanity. Oh the injustice. You horrible criminal, Henry.

No matter.  Robert does it nearly daily. As does nearly every contributor on TruthDig. I doubt anyone on this Web space will be so hypocritical as to harangue or condemn you for your horrible misjudgement.

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I see you didn’t care for the information found on the first Wikipedia link you shared. You went and found yourself information that was edited more to your liking. - Did you edit the page yourself?  Because the first link you shared reported the following;

Major Donors to Palestinians.

According to the Development Assistance Committee, the main multilateral donors for the 2006–2007 period were UNRWA and the EU (through the European Commission); the main bilateral donors were the US, Japan, Canada and five European countries (Norway, Germany, Sweden, Spain and France).[59] Since 1993 the European Commission and the EU member-states combined have been by far the largest aid contributor to the Palestinians.[60]

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The obvious problem with Wiki is in how anyone may “edit” its content.  The second problem is in the lack of consistent linear information.

Personally, I never use Wiki as an authentic source.  Only as a jumping point to locate authentic sources.

Good luck next time, Henry.

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By Russian Paul, June 14, 2011 at 4:36 am Link to this comment

GRYM - you can’t possibly be this dense. for the 3rd time, the UNGA holds a
vote every year on how they feel the conflict should be resolved. it’s called
“Peaceful Settlement of the Palestine Question.”

as an example i found the 2007 edition for you:

http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/3822b5e39951876a85256b6e0058a478/6c
985b43ec12ca38852573ad0065dfcc?OpenDocument

let’s look at some excerpts:


“13. Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to comply strictly with its
obligations under international law, including international humanitarian law,
and to cease all of its measures that are contrary to international law and
unilateral actions in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East
Jerusalem, that are aimed at altering the character and status of the Territory,
including via the de facto annexation of land…”

“17. Stresses the need for:

(a) The withdrawal of Israel from the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967,
including East Jerusalem;

(b) The realization of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, primarily
the right to self-determination and the right to their independent State;

18. Also stresses the need for justly resolving the problem of Palestine
refugees in conformity with its resolution 194 (III) of 11 December 1948;”

now here is a link that will take you to the vote. look under “annex IV”

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/78737260DEE9EC69852573AE00549B9C

161 countries were IN FAVOR. And who was opposed?

“Against:  Australia, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia (Federated States of),
Nauru, Palau, United States”

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By Shingo, June 14, 2011 at 4:24 am Link to this comment

GRYM,
With each subsequent post on this thread (as with all your comments) you seem to manage to redefine stupid.

Your ignorance knows no bounds.  It was not the Palestinians who invented suicide attacks (the Tanul Tigers were the first) and the term “martyrs” is Greek, not Arabic. 

Tzipi Livni’s parents were terrorists, yet she recently referrred to them as freedom fighters. In fact, Ronald Regan referred to Bin Laden’s former gang, the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan as Freedom Fighters, long before suicode attacks began.

>> But, for whatever purpose, the deliberate murder and mutilation of defenseless and innocent civilians can never be warranted by the common law of humanity and by accepted international standards of behavior and international law

Indeed, just like it could never be warranted when the Zionist terro gangs and the predecessors of eh IDF, the Hangaha were doing it back in 1948, when they were blowiing the In the Old Ottoman House in Jaffa, the Sariah (January 4th), killing 26 and the Semaramis Hotel,  in Jerusalem (Jan 5), killing 20 Palestinians.

That’s not even counting the bombing of teh King David Hotel, that killed 91, nor the bombing of the USS Patria in Hifa Harbor, which killed 180 Jews.
I trust you are disgusted and asahmed of these terrorist attacks by Israel.

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By PatrickHenry, June 14, 2011 at 4:01 am Link to this comment

GRYM,

And yes, like it or not, the United States lends more aid to the Palestinians than do ALL Arab nations combined.

Not true,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_foreign_assistance

Saudi Arabia is the largest provider of aid to the Palestinian people.[7] Since 2002, Saudi Arabia has given more than $480 million in monetary support to the Palestinian Authority, and has supported Palestinian refugees by contributing to the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA). Through the Arab League it has provided more than $250 million for the Palestinians, and pledged $500 million in assistance over the next three years at the Donors Conference in Dec 2007.[4] Unlike aid from other nations, Saudi Arabian aid to Palestinians was not disrupted by the election of Hamas.

GRYM,

Have you yet applied for a visa for your trip to Mecca and Medina?  What were you told? - Remember! Jerusalem is open to everyone, anyone, not wishing for Israel’s destruction.

Open mouth, insert foot. 

I’ve traveled that region over 40 years ago when my family lived in Turkey for 2 years.  It has no allure for me.  I tend to choose Costa Rica, Belieze and Brazil for vacations now days.

Many want regime change in Israel, not the destruction to that nation.  Much like the way South Africa was changed.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 14, 2011 at 3:50 am Link to this comment

In the decades of the Arabs’ unremitting struggle to fight the Jews to the death and to wipe Israel off the map, they have managed to introduce certain words and phrases into the consciousness of the world. These phrases are twisted and have, in many cases, come to convey the exact opposite of their actual meaning.

One widespread example: The Palestinians who blow themselves up and in so doing, succeed in killing and maiming as many innocent Jews as possible are described as “martyrs” and “freedom fighters” in the Arab world and even in much of the European press. But, for whatever purpose, the deliberate murder and mutilation of defenseless and innocent civilians can never be warranted by the common law of humanity and by accepted international standards of behavior and international law, even where the use of insurgent force may be understandable and even justified.

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By Robert, June 13, 2011 at 9:33 pm Link to this comment

Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land

U.S. Media & the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

How Israel manipulates and distorts American public perceptions


“Through the voices of scholars, media critics, peace activists, religious figures, and Middle East experts, Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land carefully analyzes and explains how—through the use of language, framing and context—the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza remains hidden in the news media, and Israeli colonization of the occupied territories appears to be a defensive move rather than an offensive one.”


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Click on link to watch this video/film…you be the judge:


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By Shingo, June 13, 2011 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

>> Revisit your link to Wikipedia.  Read the page.  Follow the reference material.  You’ll see that the United States is, by far, the largest contributor to the Palestinians. 

What reference material might that be GRYM?  Oh that’s right, you don’t do links.  Can you cite the specific reference.  Oh that’s right, you don’t do refrences either, which means you can lie about this BS all you want and pretend that it exists, but that no one else has found it.

I tell you what GRYM, why not just cut and paste (plagiarize) the evidence?

>> And yes, like it or not, the United States lends more aid to the Palestinians than do ALL Arab nations combined.

Like it or not, there is no reason to believe you unless you can prove it.

>>  Remember! Jerusalem is open to everyone, anyone, not wishing for Israel’s destruction.

Remember to bring an umbrella or a rain coat just in case.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099
http://www.ww4report.com/node/1046

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By Go Right Young Man, June 13, 2011 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

Paul, “why are US and Israel the only major players that oppose these resolutions?”

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Likely because it’s not correct information.  The U.S, and Israel are not the only major players against 194. - In fact every Arab nation was opposed to U.N. 194 as it validated the creation of Israel.

UN 194 is not voted on annually.

Many of the resolution’s articles were not fulfilled by any of the parties involved. Because of its charged nature, there were multiple reactions to the resolution. Since General Assembly resolutions are not binding, and only serve as advisory statements, there was no enforcement of Resolution 194.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 13, 2011 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

PHenry,

Revisit your link to Wikipedia.  Read the page.  Follow the reference material.  You’ll see that the United States is, by far, the largest contributor to the Palestinians.  That’s from a list of roughly 190 countries.  57 Arab states.  22 immediately surrounding these areas are some of the wealthiest per capita nations on the planet. - Then ask yourself the most obvious question(s).

And yes, like it or not, the United States lends more aid to the Palestinians than do ALL Arab nations combined.

Not unlike Robert you care enough about the “Cause”. The “Fight”. You’ve yet to care about connecting human rights with real human beings.

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Have you yet applied for a visa for your trip to Mecca and Medina?  What were you told? - Remember! Jerusalem is open to everyone, anyone, not wishing for Israel’s destruction.

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By Shingo, June 13, 2011 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

You’re a shameless liar GRYM,

>> United States which lends more aid to the Palestinians than all Arab nations combined.

False on all counts.

First of all, aid is not loaned but given. 

Secondly, Israle officially receives more aid than the rest of the world combined and ten times as much aid as the Palestinians. 

Unofficilly, israel receives a lot more than that again.

On top of the 3 billion it receives nnually, it also receives loan guarantees, which are loans Israel does not have to repay, suplemetal spending.

The biggest chunk of the aid comes in the form of distorted trade agreements with the US that amount toa $10 billin annual grant - that is according to declassified US government documents.

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By Shingo, June 13, 2011 at 4:08 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

>> I bring honesty and realism as a counter to your anger and hate.

No, you bering denial and propaganda, and when confronted with facts, go deeper into denial.

>> It is my very firm belief that you understand little of the suffering on both the Arab and Jewish sides of the conflict.

It is my very firm belief that you understand little of anythign to do with the conflict, much less it’s history or curent events.

>> All wrapped in a racist cloak of hatred.

Says he who uses racism to defend Israel.

>> Explain to yourself why surrounding Arab countries allow very few from the contested areas to immigrate out of their prison.

After you provide the statistics explaining if this is true or not.  If you makde a baseless claim and bud your argument of top of that baseless assumption, then your argument will fall over like a opack of cards.

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By Shingo, June 13, 2011 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

Howard,

>> No stolen land.  Such a myth that is reported falsely.

The land was stolen, even Ben-Gurion admitted that.

>> Any land was gotten by armies that used it to attack
and destroy Israel.

False.  Egypt did not attack Israel in 1967 and certainyl did not use the Sinai to do it.

>> If those attacking countries make peace(with some
degree of security), why then Israel will once more
will trade land for peace.

If Israel is willing to trade land for peace, then why are they building settlements on it?

>> Well, they gave up Gaza voluntarily; but then as a
thank you Gaza sent in missles and rockets.

After Israel b ombed it with 7,700 shells.  That tends to be a deal breaker.

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By PatrickHenry, June 13, 2011 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

GRYM

that it’s the United States which lends more aid to the Palestinians than all Arab nations combined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians#2011

Not true.

I noticed in their review, the Arab nations bypass the PNA and UNRWA and place that aid in salaries of government workers as they know the tax structure of the Palestinian nation is non-existant.  Government needs to function.  Aid given to the HAMAS should be counted as well, their elected representatives carry alot of water in that country.

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By Russian Paul, June 13, 2011 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

The pals’s have wasted all these years by having
refused to have their own country.

to howard, GRYM and all the other posters who wish to obfuscate the issue:
there’s really no controversy as to the solution. the entire world accepts that
israel should withdraw to the june 1967 borders, a palestinian state should
include gaza, the west bank, east jerusalem as the capital. there should be a
fair and just resolution for the refugees in accordance with UN resolution 194.

this is what the international community calls for. every year, the UNGA vote on
it, and every year, the whole world supports it, and in the most recent vote only
Israel, the US, Australia, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, and Palau
oppose. the US and Israel are blocking the peace process. it’s not complicated.
just look it up. “peaceful settlement of the question of palestine.” why are US
and Israel the only major players that oppose these resolutions?

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By Robert, June 13, 2011 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

GRYMie…Now I am convinced that you have a serious disorder with deception & lying.

Your fake boasting about your mega-research came to a screeching halt & you have certainly earned the end results of all that came your way.

Now crawl back into your zionist booth & double up on you bi-polar medications.

I can honestly tell you that I don’t give a damn about your zionist rot, but I am sure of several things...YOU ARE A DAMN LIAR AND YOU GOT CAUGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ON THIS THREAD…I WILL NOT LET YOU OR THE READERS ON TD FORGET YOUR LIES & PLAGIARISM.

I can clearly see that pinned “jackass tail” on your exposed rear end!!!

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By diamond, June 13, 2011 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

“Well, they gave up Gaza voluntarily; but then as a
thank you Gaza sent in missles and rockets.”

Israel never owned Gaza so how could it give it up, voluntarily or otherwise? What you mean is, Israel pretended to end its occupation of Gaza, only to return with phosphorous bombs and invasion at a later date and to seal the people of Gaza into a prison camp where they could be starved into leaving. When a flotilla of aid boats tried to bring food and medicine to the people of Gaza, Israeli commandos boarded the boats in international waters and on at least one of them, according to eyewitness accounts and reports written by journalists on the boats, executed people with head shots and beat the sick and elderly, including Americans. If I were you I wouldn’t even mention Gaza: any discussion of that subject can only end badly for Israel.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 13, 2011 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

Robert,

Attack me all you wish. I will remain here telling another side of this conflict. I bring honesty and realism as a counter to your anger and hate.

It is my very firm belief that you understand little of the suffering on both the Arab and Jewish sides of the conflict. You and others on this thread are dutiful followers. You follow well the things you are told to believe in.  All wrapped in a racist cloak of hatred.

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You sincerely wish to aid your “Cause”?  Explain to yourself why surrounding Arab countries allow very few from the contested areas to immigrate out of their prison. How it’s possible, given the incredible wealth that surrounds the area, and while so many claim to care, that it’s the United States which lends more aid to the Palestinians than all Arab nations combined.

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By Robert, June 13, 2011 at 7:33 am Link to this comment

GRYM…SHUT THE HELL UP…YOU HAVE NO SHAME & NO CREDIBILITY. THAT “JACKASS” TAIL IS PINNED TO YOUR EXPOSED REAR END…FROM NOW ON! WHAT A DISGUSTING LIAR YOU ARE!!! EXTENSIVE RESEARCHER…WOW!!!


JUST AS I PREDICTED…YOUR ZIONIST PROPAGANDA ROT FELL OFF A STEEP CLIFF!!!

The extent of your sickness/disorder is alarming…you need to get yourself some help!!!

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By Howard, June 13, 2011 at 7:27 am Link to this comment

No stolen land.  Such a myth that is reported falsely.
  Any land was gotten by armies that used it to attack
and destroy Israel.
  If those attacking countries make peace(with some
degree of security), why then Israel will once more
will trade land for peace.
  However they need convincing, I can imagine. Why?
Well, they gave up Gaza voluntarily; but then as a
thank you Gaza sent in missles and rockets.

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By Shingo, June 13, 2011 at 7:11 am Link to this comment

Howard,

>> 2 cheers for Israel.

Doesn’t your infamtile mind much prefer spending time on his Playtation, haning out with other kids than posting rainless drivel on blogs - or did your daddy force you to do it Howard?

>>  The pals’s have wasted all these years by having
refused to have their own country.

That tends to happend when your land is stolen, your homes demolishied, your children massacred and your means of eacing a living destroyed.

The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto had the same problem.

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By Shingo, June 13, 2011 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

GRYM,

>> Not one individual here has cared enough about the Palestinian people to note migration statistics?

By all means GRYM, feel free to link to those statistics, though if your last bogus figures are anything to go by, I suspect you’re lying thruog your teeth as you have done all along.

>> As I have written here numerous times, most here care nothing of human rights as an issue.


Most of what you’re youve written read like the incorenet ramblings of an aging and dcaying mind that cannot maitain, uch less cimmunicate a coherent thought.

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By Howard, June 13, 2011 at 6:44 am Link to this comment

2 cheers for Israel. Despite the continued articles
on this site which demean Israel, there is not a
better democracy or free country for its citizens,
both Jewish and arab, than Israel.
  In 61 years it has made itself into a modern active
country. Impressive contributions to science,
medicine, and technology have been noteworthy.
  The pals’s have wasted all these years by having
refused to have their own country.  And the 4 arab
armies and nations that attacked Israel in ‘48, ‘67,
and ’ 73 have yet to make peace with israel and
aplogize to the pal’s for interfering with their
development. Instead they put them into camps and
treated them like 4th class people.  They need them
to distract their own citizens from their corrupt
government.  Witness the example of Syria.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 13, 2011 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

Not one individual here has cared enough about the Palestinian people to note migration statistics? The European University Institute has done some interesting studies.  As have the Palestine Bureau of Statistics, UNRWA and Chicago University.

As I have written here numerous times, most here care nothing of human rights as an issue. Most here care only of an abstract cause they’ve been told by their peers they should care about. - Sad.

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By Robert, June 13, 2011 at 5:32 am Link to this comment

FYI…There is a semi-active thread on TD in the report section on page 2.

Reflections on Israel: From Idealism to Ethnic Cleansing


Posted on Jun 8, 2011

By Larry Gross

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By Shingo, June 12, 2011 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

Robert,

>> Shingo…I am sure that you have noticed that GRYM has been trying to ignore you & your blistering rebuttals to his zionist propaganda rot.

Oh yes, it’s abundantly clear that he won’t address me.  GRYm and I have a little bit of history, much of it best described as GRYM being humiliated and reduced to a blubbering mess.  At one point, he was reduced to wishing me well is all my endeavours all my persuits while I was demanding anwers from him as to why his BS was directectly contradicted by the Intelligence and Terrorism Centre of Israel. I can’t help but wonder if Zionism doesn’t promote intellectual attrophy.

This guy is so incredibly dishonest and cowardly, not to mention so deep in denial that he might as well be speaking in a foreign language.  The degree of hypocrisy on display from him is beyord words.  he criticized you for being lazy because you relied on links, then he proceeds to cut and paste whole chunks from teh US State Department web site and tries to pass it off as his own knowledge.

He knows he’s completely out of his depth and has absolutely no credibility, but is trying ever so desperately to convince himself that he’s still fighting the good fight. 

At least Walterbard had enough self respect to withdraw from the debate when he knew he was fighting a lost cause.

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By Robert, June 12, 2011 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

The Day that Israel’s IDF used a 13 old Palestinian Boy as Human Shield


Click on link to see the details…its all there in the picture:

http://normanfinkelstein.com/img/photos/media/dm/humanshield.jpg

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By Robert, June 12, 2011 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

By Shingo, June 12 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

>> How many Palestinians have been denied their requests to immigrate into Jordan,
Egypt and Syria since 1968?

Why don’t you tell us GRYM?

How many have requested permission to do so?

One of your cut and paste “research” efforts will suffice. We’ll be able to find where you
plagiarized from Mr Researcher.

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Shingo…I am sure that you have noticed that GRYM has been trying to ignore you & your blistering rebuttals to his zionist propaganda rot.

GRYM’s research rot…has been put on notice!!!

He surely was boasting about his research…How clever…LOA!!! 

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By Russian Paul, June 12 at 1:23 pm

“funny that you accused Robert of being “lazy or unaccomplished in research” yet instead of
actually debating which of his or shingo’s arguments you feel are inaccurate,
and then backing up each of your assertions with citations, you decided to
simply copy and paste a very brief history from a US gov website. lazy. since
you also mentioned the UN general assembly, let’s look at what the UNGA and
the entire world community has had to say about resolving the conflict:”

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Great work Russian Paul and I am sure its GRIM news for GRYM. I suggest that a “JackAss Tail” should be pinned to GRYM’s exposed behind.

What an accomplished researcher…eh!!! I have a feeling that if we traced back & google searched GRYM’s previous posts some of them may be just cut & paste!!!

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By diamond, June 12, 2011 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

‘How many Palestinians have been denied their requests to immigrate into Jordan, Egypt and Syria since 1968?”

I think I know what the problem is.

“The Sabra and Shatila massacre took place in the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps in Beirut, Lebanon between September 16 and September 18, 1982, during the Lebanese civil war. Palestinian and Lebanese civilians were massacred in the camps by Christian Lebanese Phalangists while the camp was surrounded by the Israel Defense Force. In that period of time, Israel was at war with the PLO in Lebanon. Israeli forces occupied Beirut, dominated the refugee camps of Palestinians and controlled the entrance to the city. After the assassination of Bachir Gemayel, leader and president-elect of the Lebanese Kataeb Party, a Maronite group, also called Lebanese Forces militia group, entered the camp and murdered inhabitants during the night. The exact number of victims is disputed, from 700–800 to 3,500 (depending on the source).

Israeli forces enabled the entrance of the angry Kataeb Party group to the refugee camps, by providing them transportation from outside Beirut and firing illuminating flares over the camps. The Phalangists were under the direct command of Elie Hobeika, who later became a long-serving Member of the Parliament of Lebanon and, in the 1990s, a Lebanese cabinet minister.

In 1982, an independent commission chaired by Sean MacBride concluded that the Israeli authorities or forces were, directly or indirectly, responsible. The Israeli government established the Kahan Commission to investigate, and in early 1983 it found Israel indirectly responsible for the event. Ariel Sharon was held personally responsible for allowing the Phalangists into the camps.” Wikipedia

Why would Jordan or any other Arab nation want a similar fate visited on them? Let the Palestinians in, set them up in refugee camps and then what? Then those countries will be accused of harboring ‘terrorists’ which gives Israel carte blanche to attack them or to have stooges do it for them. As Noam Chomsky wrote in his book ‘Imperial Ambitions’, “Only America would call a man who defended himself or his country a terrorist.” But of course he was wrong: Israel has been doing it for decades.

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By Shingo, June 12, 2011 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

>> How was your trip to Mecca?  Did you get close to the Holy land?  Or were you
briskly turned away?
  Also, were you able to get a photograph of yourself walking the streets of Tehran and
Damascus wearing a yarmulke?  I’d like to see that.

Why not ask the 30,000 Jews in Iran, among whom there would be am abundance of
experiences of wearing yarmulke’s in Tehran.

Or you could as Roger Cohen, of the New York Tomes, who visited Iran and wrote that,
as a Jew, there were few places in the world he felt as welcome.

Interestingly, Cohen received a barrage of abuse from Jewish  readers after he wrote
this column.

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By Shingo, June 12, 2011 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

>> How many Palestinians have been denied their requests to immigrate into Jordan,
Egypt and Syria since 1968?

Why don’t you tell us GRYM? 

How many have requested permission to do so?

One of your cut and paste “research” efforts will suffice. We’ll be able to find where you
plagiarized from Mr Researcher.

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By Shingo, June 12, 2011 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

Russian Paul,


>> since  you also mentioned the UN general assembly, let’s look at what the UNGA
and  the entire world community has had to say about resolving the conflict:

What GRYM also seems to have missed is the fact that Israel stands in gross violation of
181.

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By Shingo, June 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

>> Feel free to check my facts here. Notice not a single link to a media site outlining any
individual’s opinion(s).

What you have done is cut and pasted from a web site. That’s plagiarism.

Links don’t have to be opinion. They can be links to official documents, UN, State
Department, and as I demonstrated when I debunked your lies about rickets in 2008, the
Israeli MFA.

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By brewerstroupe, June 12, 2011 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

It is time some of these propaganda tropes were put to bed.

There was no evidence that the Palestinia­n Authority (PA) recruited or used child soldiers. In May 2002, the PA addressed the United Nations Special Session on Children and advocated the applicatio­n of the CRC-OP-CAC­, which prohibits the use in hostilitie­s of those under the age of eighteen.
- Dr. Emile Jarjou’i, Head of Delegation of the Observer Delegation of Palestine on the occasion of the Special Session of the General Assembly on Children, May 9, 2002 cited in HRW, “Erased in a Moment”, October 2002.

During 2002, both Hamas and Islamic Jihad disavowed the use of children after under-18s were involved in suicide bombings and armed attacks on Israeli settlement­s in the Gaza Strip. A Hamas statement in April 2002 called on mosque imams

to give this issue some mention in their sermons” An Islamic Jihad communique of April 26, citing Islamic strictures against the participat­ion of children in war, declared: “We refuse any encouragem­ent given to young people that might drive them to act alone or be pushed by others into action. They are not ready and not able to do so.
- Islamic Jihad communique­, “Protect our children from being killed,” April 26, 2002. Translated by UNICEF, Jerusalem. Cited in HRW, “Erased in a Moment”, October 2002.

The youngest suicide bomber (reliably confirmed) was 16. There was no coercion, nobody suspected his intent.
We have disaffecte­d youth too - remember Columbine. Kids sometimes do crazy things.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 12, 2011 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

Robert, - “the mosque may be open today…but can Palestinians from the West Bank (Christian & Moslems) enter Jerusalem freely to visit their holy sites for worship?”

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Hell no.  When the Gaza border was open people kept sending children into Israel to blow themselves up. No nation on the planet would throw open its borders to that.

How many Palestinians have been denied their requests to immigrate into Jordan, Egypt and Syria since 1968?

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By Russian Paul, June 12, 2011 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

GRYM - thanks for your concern, but i am not being “misled,” i’ve been
following this conflict for a while. all the assertions presented to you by other
posters here is based on fact, not on conjecture or opinion, but verifiable fact.
you have repeatedly refused to tell us which specific links you feel are not
factual. so one can only assume you are incapable of refuting any of the
evidence listed here. also there is no evidence to suggest anyone here is a
racist, except perhaps yourself, since you insist on defending the racist policies
of an occupying force, while misusing the term “anti-semitism” to fit your
agenda.

before you “simply and unequivically refused” to post any sources, but now that
you’ve succumbed you decide to cite the US State Department. israel’s
staunchest ally. i traced your source back to this site:

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3464.htm

people can read that history and take from it what they will. it’s a extremely
brief, and completely glosses over what fueled any of these conflicts. funny that
you accused Robert of being “lazy or unaccomplished in research” yet instead of
actually debating which of his or shingo’s arguments you feel are inaccurate,
and then backing up each of your assertions with citations, you decided to
simply copy and paste a very brief history from a US gov website. lazy. since
you also mentioned the UN general assembly, let’s look at what the UNGA and
the entire world community has had to say about resolving the conflict:

every year the UNGA has a vote on the Peaceful Settlement of the Question of
Palestine. it’s very clear what the world community is calling for: 2 state
settlement based on the june 1967 borders, the palestinian state should
include gaza, the west bank, and east jerusalem as the capital, and a fair
resolution for the refugees in accordance with UN resolution 194. this is what
international law is calling for. every year, the entire world community votes for
this resolution, and israel, the US and a handful of others vote against it. the
last vote in 2010 had the entire world community on one side (including iran
and all the other arab countries) and 7 dissenters: Israel, the US, Australia, the
Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, and Palau. this resolution shouldn’t be
controversial, and certainly you can’t accuse the entire world community of
anti-semitism. the facts are very clear; the US and Israel are blocking the peace
process.

here is the link where you can go through the UN votes. just search for the ones
that say “peaceful settlement of the question of palestine.”

http://unbisnet.un.org:8080/ipac20/ipac.jsp?
session=WD78W86178392.19882&menu=search&aspect=power&npp=50&ipp;
=20&spp=20&profile=voting&ri=1&source;=~!horizon&index;=.VW&term=pales
tine+question&x=0&y=0&aspect=power

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By PatrickHenry, June 12, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

GRYM,

What’s that got to do with a handful of Arab countries being some of the wealthiest per capita nations on the globe?

Which countries are those? provide some data.  Egypt? Jordan? Syria? Lebanon?....Israel? hardly, even if it is 20% arab itself. 

These “arab countries” are in no position to give aid while Israel maintains an embargo and that has been quite awhile now.

How was your trip to Mecca?  Did you get close to the Holy land?  Or were you briskly turned away?  Also, were you able to get a photograph of yourself walking the streets of Tehran and Damascus wearing a yarmulke?  I’d like to see that.

Just when I think you can’t outdo yourself for saying something stupid and theologically racist, you do and never fail to disappoint.

I see you’re the culturally sensitive American tourist I’ve so often read about.

The one who ruins traveling for me.

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By Robert, June 12, 2011 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

MORE RESTRICTIONS ON MUSLIM WORSHIPERS IN OCCUPIED JERUSALEM


Aqsa impasse continues

Israel imposes more restrictions on Muslim worshipers


Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank

Faced with a determined Muslim stance against persistent efforts by government-backed Jewish extremists to arrogate a foothold at the Aqsa Mosque,  the Israeli government has imposed further restrictions on Muslim entry into the Haram al Sharif compound, considered the third holiest Islamic sanctuary.


Muslim officials in al-Quds ( Jerusalem ) told PIC that Israeli police forces stationed at the sanctuary’s gates were forcing worshipers to leave their identity cards. Those refusing to leave their IDs with the police were refused entry and forcefully turned back or arrested.


The stringent measure is apparently meant to force the incoming Muslims to leave the Mosque as soon as possible and not remain ensconced at the cite in order to repulse Jewish intruders seeking to gain “prayer rights” at the Islamic shrine.


<i>Jewish groups are openly calling for the destruction of Islamic holy places in Jerusalem in order to build a Jewish Temple, which some Jewish theological circles claim would speed up the appearance of a Jewish Messiah, or Redeemer, who would rule the world from Jerusalem .


Earlier, the Israeli occupation authorities issued a ban barring Muslim males below the age of 50 years from accessing the Aqsa Mosque. Younger people, including those holding the Israeli citizenship, were not allowed to reach the vicinity of the Haram al Sharif (Noble Sanctuary)


As many as a hundred Muslims have been arrested for “disobeying police orders” and “disturbing the peace.”


Sheikh Ra’ed Salah, head of the Islamic movement across the Green Line ( Israel ) and his deputy Sheikh Kamal al-Khatib have been placed under town arrest and barred from entering al-Quds for one month.


The draconian measure coincided with fresh threats by some Jewish leaders to outlaw the Islamic movement and strip its leaders of citizenship.”

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Yep GRYM… the mosque may be open today…but can Palestinians from the West Bank (Christian & Moslems) enter Jerusalem freely to visit their holy sites for worship? Do these Palestinians have the safe freedom & NO restrictions that Jews enjoy who live in the “FOR Jews Only” settlements in the Occupied Territories?


Click on link for references:

http://www.desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/more-restrictions-on-muslim-worshipers-in-occupied-jerusalem/

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