fearnotruth, October 30 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment

Both the Teaparty and The New Black Panther Party are obviously Cointelpro; e.g.
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Who needs Stewart and Colbert when we got this guy?

Be sure to check under your bed tonight and don’t go to sleep without a tinfoil hat or the pod-people will get you!

AlanSmithee, Yes I am sure RM looked high and low to find these imbeciles for an interview, she could have gone to Texas or Oklahoma for a much more intellectual and enlightened thought provoking interview!

These people, and millions like them, watch tv news
and read their hometown papers.

Many of them will vote tomorrow.

“By ronjeremy, October 29 at 12:13 am Link to this
comment
it appears that her main motivation is to make people
look stupid.”

I think they are more than able to do that for
themselves.  How dare she ask honest, pertinent
questions.  As I recall, other Alaskan residents have
had trouble answering even easier questions such as,
“What magazines do you read?”

Half of Alaska moved there because they figured it was as far away as they could get from black people.  We’re really dealing with the bottom of the barrel here.

Both the Teaparty and The New Black Panther Party are obviously Cointelpro; e.g.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0l_a5yt-c&feature=player_embedded

thethirdman, October 29 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

Their two issues are Eric Holder and the Black Panther Party.  Not racist at all…
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Not one of them knew the difference between the well-known and fairly well-respected Black Panthers and “The New Black Panther Party”, a tiny virtually unknown group with maybe 30 members.

Guess which one was involved with alleged voter intimidation?  Not the Black Panthers.  It was “The New Black Panther Party”.

Guess which one the Alaskan TPs all said were involved with voter intimidation….that’s right, the old Black Panthers.  From that they extrapolated that the Black Panthers were all over the country trying to intimidate voters.

Now how the hell did THAT lie get out there?

“These people may not know their specifics, but that does not make them wrong… “

Maani, the instance you cite in DC is in defense of local statutes, something one might think Tea Party folks would solidly support. As to the support for those proposed Federal Statutes they do not seek to take away guns as the far right claims, only to bring a bit of sanity to the ownership of guns in our current society.

You betray your somewhat partisan denial by your defining the ban on so-called assault weapons in the hands of children as having only “cosmetic” differences. Might I suggest that you read the actual requirements especially regarding automatic features, clip sizes and rates of fire.

I recently shipped a deer rifle ( 1917 Remington model 30) to my twenty one year old grandson, which he promptly used to get his first deer of the season, and at 225 yards too! I own weapons, used to collect them as well, until the constant presence of grandchildren gave me pause and I sold off most of my collection. I still own a few favorites , as my model 1911A Colt .45 Springfield armory issue, thus speak as a gun owner and respecter of the right to own such.

It is very unfortunate, especially given the proliferation of illegal firearms in our society today, many in the hands of gang bangers not yet even eighteen, coupled with the growing numbers of innocents gun downed for being guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, that we cannot discuss such issues with a bit more rationality, temperance and gravitas.

Siding with nut jobs who do not know the issues, care little about said ignorance, and scream loudly about rights or actions about which they are completely in the dark seems no way to arrive at sane solutions.

She: There is definitely a point to exposing the empty souls of political candidates who will affect our lives.

Most definitely, but I see rather little of that in the current maelstrom of mindless media political advertizing. It’s the same ole formulat of defamation and slander, slander and defamation.

Political candidates trying to demonstrate, like soap powder, that they wash whiter than white ... whilst their opponent is a dark, evil force.

This passes for adversarial substance-based political debate between politicians? No way, José.

It is just mindless claptrap for the masses and, unfortunately, in a dumbed-down America - as Maddow shows so aptly - it works to get idiots elected to our state and national legislatures.

God help us—because we evidently are quite unable to help ourselves.

There is definitely a point to exposing the empty souls of political
candidates who will affect our lives.  Saying they are empty means
they have intentionally insensitive consciousness of the distresses
of the entire population not just to pay attention to the prosperity
of the few who can gather wealth, and by that wealth, have the
power to keep it.

Some editorial news programs on MSNBC have belittled themselves so
much as to be only rostrums for bitter shouting and appear to be just
the other side of the coin that is the hideous political news from Fox. 
Chris Matthews in his indignation tries to see situations clearly but
often bile floods his eyes and he seems to fall also into the chasm of
rhetorical pontificating bombast.  Shrieking does no good at all and
gives the vulgar aura of sensational wrestling matches.  Fox is the worst
sinner of MSM outside of cable programs that cater to screamers like
Limbaugh and his comrades in cardiac hysteria, but often Ed Schultz,
even though his outrage might be justified, too often seems to be
equal to it.  It is pathetic how the media has been reduced to this
caterwauling.  Rachel Maddow seems to hover just beyond that, but still
has that newsy aspect that looks for the overly exciting tidbits that
almost puts her editorials on the level of staggering gossip.  That kind
of extremism in news does a terrible disservice to listeners who are
ravenous for some semblance of the truth.  Of course we never get it. 
And we have no uncomplicated way of getting it.  We know it is
calculated to sway opinion so that the voter commits to a particular
ideology rather than allow the truth to emerge, and in the zeal people
are whipped into mental illness.  Cutthroat dotes and antidotes become
the premium means of exchange.  It is so apparent that Republican
politics has sunk to a horrible place of perdition that has permanently
tainted my sensibilities against them.  They can do no right, they have
no intelligent vision of the future of this country that is 308+ million
people strong.  The one seemingly dirt-free stable agent they have is
the likes of David Brooks but his voice has no leverage with that Party
and they have no other voices, not one, absolutely not one, other.  It
seems beyond even the boundary of insanity what is happening in
politics and I don’t see how it can get better, at least in the near future.

You are right, purplewolf, in much of the minihistory you gave about
the lunacy that has showed up in political gatherings and instead of
addressing real concerns, it becomes merely an assembly for the
malcontents to express their malicious sentiments.  We see the
wretched and ugly side of power right before our faces.  Power is not
always so monstrous.  Power can mean the ability to change what is
wrong in the world, to act to bring humanity to its best capacities. 
What is wrong however is a matter of perspective and expectations. 
Power politics that we witness is precisely the polar views of the liberal
against the conservative. The key is in the word ‘against.’  We can’t
seem to find a way to arbitrate.  It seems to me that we, each of us,
personally, have the vital demand to define precisely what those two
ideas mean and how humans not just ought to proceed but must
proceed.

Uh…guys?  Actually, although these people could not name specifics, the man in the interview is correct when he asks “What has Holder NOT done [against gun ownership].  I did as the man suggested and Googled “Eric Holder” and “2nd Amendment” and this is what I found (among others):

“Earlier this year, Eric Holder—along with Janet Reno and several other former officials from the Clinton Department of Justice—co-signed an amicus brief in District of Columbia v. Heller. The brief was filed in support of DC’s ban on all handguns, and ban on the use of any firearm for self-defense in the home. The brief argued that the Second Amendment is a “collective” right, not an individual one, and asserted that belief in the collective right had been the consistent policy of the U.S. Department of Justice since the FDR administration. A brief filed by some other former DOJ officials (including several Attorneys General, and Stuart Gerson, who was Acting Attorney General until Janet Reno was confirmed)took issue with the Reno-Holder brief’s characterization of DOJ’s viewpoint.

“But at the least, the Reno-Holder brief accurately expressed the position of the Department of Justice when Janet Reno was Attorney General and Eric Holder was Deputy Attorney General. At the oral argument before the Fifth Circuit in United States v. Emerson, the Assistant U.S. Attorney told the panel that the Second Amendment was no barrier to gun confiscation, not even of the confiscation of guns from on-duty National Guardsmen.

“As Deputy Attorney General, Holder was a strong supporter of restrictive gun control. He advocated federal licensing of handgun owners, a three day waiting period on handgun sales, rationing handgun sales to no more than one per month, banning possession of handguns and so-called “assault weapons” (cosmetically incorrect guns) by anyone under age of 21, a gun show restriction bill that would have given the federal government the power to shut down all gun shows, national gun registration, and mandatory prison sentences for trivial offenses (e.g., giving your son an heirloom handgun for Christmas, if he were two weeks shy of his 21st birthday).”

These people may not know their specifics, but that does not make them wrong…

Stupid people who look stupid, .....these people didn’t need no help from RM, they were on a shopping spree in the stupid department. What seems worse they may even get to vote if they can figure out how to pull the lever, but even worse than voting, they may only be the tip of the stupid iceberg!

Sheila Broatch, October 29 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment
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I think that ronjeremy is right. There is no point in this kind of exercise. It makes these folks feel more humiliated and alienated. I’d like to see MSNBC to more reporting on the economic plight of everyday people in this country. We should be listening to people not mocking them.

Mocking is, apparently,in the ear of the beholder. When a group of so-called political activists are asked for the specifics and cannot give even a coherent, knowledgeable or rational response that is not mocking. When you excuse abysmal ignorance, and passion based rather obviously on skin color and not politics that is tragic, and I say this without the slightest attempt at mockery.

ronjeremy, October 29 at 12:13 am Link to this comment
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it appears that her main motivation is to make people look stupid.

Unless Rachel Maddow forced you to post this it would seem that you are capable of looking stupid all by yourself.

Oh, and use of the name of a porn star adds to your (ill) repute. I await, almost breathlessly, your next gaffe.

ronjeremy

“it appears that her main motivation is to make people look stupid.”

it worked then and now we see it worked again, right here, right now. Just
reread your statement.

These people look and sound stupid without any help at all.

How sad for this country. Democracy can never work if the people don’t involve themselves and understand the issues.

People in Alaska who are Palin or Miller supporters really don’t have a clue.  It is better to let them die off so the State can evolve.  I understand them being mad at Murkowski - whose father appointed her Senator after he vacated the seat to become Governor - an act that can best be described as nepotism at its best.  But, supporting a criminal, Miller, and Palin, a quitter, is just gathering at the lowest ring on the evolutionary chain.

What would happen if these goons stomped on a pregnant woman and killed her fetus? Would they be punished for that death? Almost all or all of these people claim that they are right to lifers.Maybe it is okay to attack pregnant women if they are Democrats.

I saw these people in Alaska and was not surprised that the sheeple did not know why they were upset, only they knew they had to be. Must be too much Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and the hatred from the right wingers and T.P.er’s and the vast amount of ignorance that seems to run rampant now. Can’t be cabin fever. And these are the same people who want to dismantle the board of education, thus leading to more and more ignorant sheeple with a mob rule mentality.

Wonder how long it will take before they try to implement Martial Law against those of a different mindset and take us out?

Shenonymous: Lauren is lucky she didn’t get her neck broken and this as-h-le who did that to her wants her to apolize to him. Also the man who RSVP"d to the Eric Cantor event at the coffee shop who was manhandled and arrested and they claim he trespassed and caused a disturbance. He was invited to the Eric Cantor, he was with a group of other Democrats at the same table and one of the goon security pointed him out. The victim went and got a cup of coffee and returned to his table and was talking to the other people there when the owner went up to him and told him to leave as he was trespassing. Trespassing to an event he was invited to come to and RSVP’d too? Then once outside he was gang attacked by several “law enforcement” city hire employees. Three of them claiming he resisted arrest, which he didn’t simply because he went to this event. He did not disrupt the event, he was no threat and he tried to cooperate with the attacking police. They were clearly in the wrong.

This type of attack the Democratic people in America for being at an event-open to the public and in a public place was started back during McCain/Palin run when reporters were attacked and arrested and threatened with the Guantanamo residence and a threat to homeland security crap. We have the Republican party to thank for all the violence against non-republican people. When the T.P.er’s showed up and did disrupt the town hall meetings over Obamacare, screaming and yelling, fighting with others and carrying loaded weapons, including one at the same rally the current president was speaking at, they should have been tackled and arrested, but no, it didn’t happen.But people without weapons and not causing a disturbance are assaulted almost daily by the T.P.er’s and the republican party hired goons.

This is a view of the future in America if these thugs get into office and those putting them in will soon become victims also the second they try to disagree with “those who must be obeyed”. Remember they have already promised that if things don’t go their way, they may have to use those 2nd amendment rights and that violence is on the table.

We are no better then the countries we are fighting in to save those people all over the rest of the world from evil and tyrannical oppressive governments and leaders all the while here too many of the sheeple have failed to see their rights disappear before their unseeing eyes.

This just in.  Alaskans are the stupidest citizens in the U.S.  Plans are under way to kick the state out of the union.

I’m afraid you are right Lafayette.  Thank you for the links.  I knew
about FactCheck and the Pew, but not ProPublica.  Well we can always
hope it doesn’t turn out to be a bloodbath.  And yes, you are also right
that we have to keep plugging away.  I just cannot fathom that this
country will regress to eight years ago.  With four billion dollars put
into campaigns, I guess it is no wonder.  Havana nice day.

She: But hear this, these bigoted pigs are going to win because the Democrats cannot get their own poopie together early enough in elections to have the kind of strategic campaigns so obviously needed to counteract the malignant element in American politics.

There is not much you can do in the days before the election. Bigoted minds will remain bigoted minds throughout the elections.

The only real answer is to try to elucidate continually without missing a beat. The objective being to rebut the mindless propaganda, point by point. As they do on Web-sites such as FactCheck. Or such sites as ProPublica.

And any such set of sites, however, (even this one) is limited in its impact. The larger media outlets, run by vested-interests like Fox News, must be contended with in their efforts to bias news reporting. 

Where do Americans get their information? At the moment, see here. Clearly, Americans read most newsprint information sources.

Yes, “internet or mobile news” is up there as well in terms of readership. But what are the original feeders to such services? Established newsprint organizations that were forced to migrate to the Web.

What is utterly nauseating is that these putrid minds could be
running our country come less than a week’s time.  But hear this,
these bigoted pigs are going to win because the Democrats cannot
get their own poopie together early enough in elections to have the
kind of strategic campaigns so obviously needed to counteract the
malignant element in American politics. 

What I want to know is where is an article on Truthdig about the
woman, a woman of 115 lbs., named, Lauren Valle, a MoveOn.org
activist, who was wrested and pushed to the ground by three hefty
men, Rand Paul goons, who then assaulted her, one of them actually
taking his foot and trampling her head three times causing damage
to her head. Rand Paul walks past the on going assault not paying one
blink of an eye attention. This is all caught on video. Ms. Valle had not
done anything but exercise her Constitutional right to hold a political
poster.  She had been standing there awaiting for Rand Paul to arrive. 
This is violent gestapolike action and ought not to be understated by
the media or Truthdig.  It was pure assault and battery.

Maybe that’s one of the better “Stupid Voter Videos” but I can’t really tell anymore. 

So many idiots have paraded their incredible stupidity for the cameras, the whole genre has become more frightening than funny.

Fortunately, Maddow provides a tiny glimmer of hope.  Articulate, intelligent, respectful, and paient with these bozos, she even laughs with them about herself.

I can’t think of a single other pundit who could have handled this scene (and also her interview of Joe Miller) as well.

Their two issues are Eric Holder and the Black Panther Party.  Not racist at all…

This is so sad. I am Alaskan, but I am WAY different than
the folks you see here.
But, those are the guys that vote for Tea Party candidates
up here. The majority of whom are all a little light where
it counts.

Wow.  Informed voters.  These people don’t like Eric Holder because he is black…that’s all they know and that’s all they need to know.