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If the tea party movement really does represent not only “common-sense conservative principles,” as Sarah Palin puts it in this glossy instructional video, but also “the future of politics” in America, we can look forward to a rather homogeneous and perhaps, um, seasoned future, in that case.  —KA

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By Go Right Young Man, September 29, 2010 at 8:05 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie,

Don’t give myself airs? 

I hate no one.  I have never demeaned or attacked democrats, republicans, or, for that matter, any group as a whole.  I am very specific in directing my comments toward individuals.

It’s unfortunate that you almost always misread the intentions in what I write.  I speak out against hate, fear, and unapologetic political bigotry which is all too common on the most wide ranging medium the world holds today.  The internet.  It’s incorrect to believe that this is the only Web space I visit.  I am just as adamant on Web spaces such as RedState.

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If you think on it I have never treated you as an adversary.  Unfortunately you don’t seem to reciprocate in kind.

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By Anarcissie, September 29, 2010 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

GRYM—Don’t give yourself airs.  ‘Hate’ speech on the Net is ubiquitous and boring.  As is meta-hate (‘I hate you for being hateful.’)  If you find it as tedious as I do, I suggest you skip over it.  But if you enjoy it, wallow in it joyously.  It’s your choice.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 29, 2010 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

Maani, - “GRYM’s response to me was so absurdly over the top (to say nothing of transparently defensive and petulant) that I simply cannot bring myself to honor it with a response.

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Or, much more likely, you suddenly found yourself attempting to defend an indefensible position.

The comments here are so clearly myopic and filled with hate that even the most ardent democrat and progressive would, rightly so, feel ashamed.

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In more than a year and a half not a single sign of violence has been displayed on the part of Tea protesters.  In more than a year and a half, and an estimated 800,000 protesters, no more than eight arrests have been made for disorderly conduct. 

In contrast to the above there has been almost constant violence, degradation, denigration, name calling and elementary school catcalls toward protesters of every shape and form. According to the National Park Service; Washington D.C. protests directed toward the previous president saw repeated destruction of property and, on average, 37 arrests per protest event.

Yes, you and many here delude yourselves and attempt to defend the indefensible.  Completely unmasked and unadulterated hatred drives far too many on this and other Web spaces.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 26, 2010 at 4:08 pm Link to this comment

“GRYM’s response to me was so absurdly over the top.”

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Transparent yes. Of course. But over the top?  In what way was my response over the top?

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By ardee, September 26, 2010 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

Tobysgirl, September 25 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

ardee, I admire your persistence.

I thank you for the admiration, but I assure you that it is more an obsession to counter lies and distortions, however they are offered. For far too long we on the left have watched as the Democrats refused to counter the increasingly strident and ridiculous statements of the far right, thus, through silence, giving them credibility.

I would ask you, and any other reading my words to note that, when countering the sometimes subtle and sometimes not so subtle, lies and distortions these twin pillars of fascism offer, the responses are devoid of any counter to my assertions of those lies. Admittedly my aversion to the type shows plainly through my posts but that is just my patriotism and my faith in the American people showing through.

These would-be Goebbels ( if indeed there are two and not one,a common tactic among the deranged righties) refuse to meet one on the facts, simply run from the light of exposure, as do rats and cockroaches. I do regret that others find no compulsion or inner need to stand up to the bull they offer, thereby giving a modicum of credibility to their shoddy and shallow techniques.

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By Anarcissie, September 26, 2010 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

Back in the day the FBI spent a good deal of its time and energy on Nazis, Bundists, various kinds of fascists, and the KKK.  There haven’t been many around for them to go after in more recent years, I guess.  (Revolutionary fascists, that is—there are plenty of people who like Mussolini’s idea of a big, highly integrated state-corporate system with a place for everyone and everyone in his place.)
 
Hitler, like many revolutionaries, murdered a good many of his own people, for example the leadership of the SA (‘Brown Shirts’).  The only fascist leader I can think of who didn’t find this sort of thing necessary was Franco, and I suppose that might have been because his opponents in the Spanish Civil War were pretty effective at getting rid of them first.

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By Maani, September 26, 2010 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

tobysgirl:

GRYM’s response to me was so absurdly over the top (to say nothing of transparently defensive and petulant) that I simply cannot bring myself to honor it with a response.  LOL.  But yes, it is those who most vociferously accuse others of something who are usually guilty of that thing themselves.  And though I do not think GRYM is a fascist (at least not knowingly or deliberately so), he will fit the Niemoeller profile, if you know what I mean.

Peace.

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By Tobysgirl, September 26, 2010 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

Maani, isn’t it funny how the fascists call others fascists? Like calling Obama (I’m no fan) a Nazi.

A teabagger here in Maine became deeply alarmed at the thought of Amtrak extending service to Brunswick from Portland. This was evidence of a dastardly plot on Obama’s part to have trains pick up right-wingers such as herself and ship them to concentration camps. Unbelievable. Let’s see, the Nazis murdered socialists, anarchists, and communists, not their fellow fascists. Stalin murdered everybody. And the U.S.A. had concentration camps in place in the 1950s to receive ... communists!

I can’t think of one instance in which fascists and right-wingers in the U.S. have been persecuted. I’ve never seen a book burning of Mein Kampf or Going Rogue. I have, however, seen left-wingers murdered, surveilled, imprisoned, and denied constitutional rights. It would be amusing to see how the right wing projects its own evil onto everyone else, if it weren’t so psychopathic.

I’m not being mean, I’m just being honest.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 25, 2010 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

Maani,

I can see that you truly do represent American liberalism at its finest.  The proto-totalitarian fascist in contemporary times.  And you think republicans are scary? 

You honestly don’t see that it’s you, and those like you, whom represents the easily controlled. Those whom are easily led by the nose.  The ignorant minority. 

You liberal, progressive, intellectuals shamelessly use minorities in the U.S. for your own selfish gains. 

And I’m not the liar among us either.  I’m simply voicing what everyone already understands..  You are all liars.

I’m not being nasty or mean when I write these things.  I’m only being honest.  There’s a difference.

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By Maani, September 25, 2010 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

GRYM/AFriend:

I have done as you suggested and re-read all of AFriend’s posts with a more open mind.  In fact, I re-read the entire thread.  Here is what I found:

-The overall “tone” of AFriend’s posts is snootily smug and condescending.

-AFriend almost never actually addresses the substance of a response post, but only the (presumed) “tone” of that response.  AFriend has yet to respond to the substance of almost every post that ardee, tobysgirl, myself and others have posted in response.

-It was AFriend who made the FIRST accusation on the site: “Sadly I see nothing more than unchecked hate and unhinged fear on this thread.”  Thus, AFriend was accusing “so left i am right,” ardee, Jason, ibh and myself (!) of being “hateful” - despite that fact that, while a couple of those posts were certainly “harsh,” none were “hateful.”

Basically, AFriend and yourself are full of it.  AFriend refuses to actually engage in a debate about substance rather than tone, and you fly around the boards here accusing all and sundry of some of the very behaviors in which you yourself engage.

Peace.  (yup…)

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By AFriend, September 25, 2010 at 8:01 am Link to this comment

“What I took for arrogance and an ability to lie continually may really be a symptom of severe mental dysfunction.”

Differences of opinion are always lies in your mind. I see why Go Right blocks your comments. What a horribly nasty person you are.

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By Anarcissie, September 25, 2010 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

Perhaps you’re being trolled.

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By Tobysgirl, September 25, 2010 at 6:57 am Link to this comment

ardee, I admire your persistence. Isn’t it bizarre to call people racists who carry signs with racist messages and images? (See any tea party video, please, and don’t query where I saw signs with racist messages and images.)

I don’t know why these folks insist on posting on this site, though rico did explain his reasons quite well. I look at conservative sites occasionally, but don’t post because I’m not going to get into arguments with or act superior to the posters. I guess whathisname gets his daily dose of self-righteous mood-altering by castigating us for our failure to see teabaggers as the glorious patriots they purport to be. Believe me, my ancestors who fought in the American Revolution would not recognize these glorious patriots.

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By ardee, September 25, 2010 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

I also don’t understand why, after giving my opinions here like everyone else, it’s suddenly my obligation to prove him and others wrong in their opposing opinions?  Or have I misunderstood?

You fail to understand why it remains necessary to back your arrogant and wrongheaded statement that the contributions of George Soros and the work of Medea Benjamin equivocates to that of the execrable Koch brothers….who you zoomin now?

I’ll end by repeating myself.

Who here can deny that the majority of the so-called far-left never wanted, nor accepted, the country in the hands of President Bush and a republican congress. The neo-cons in the White House, it was said, were taking over the United States. Even the world.

It seemed that a (small) majority of United States voters didn’t want what Bush was peddling. It took the Supreme Court to install him in office. His eight years proved that slim majority correct. Bush will undoubtedly go down in history as the single worst President in our modern era, perhaps of all time. His “unitary executive” concept haunts us still.

The protests began immediately after the election. Yet in 2010 the tea party protesters voice the same views (wanting their country back) and they’re hated, belittled, and called racists. That is truly odd to even the most casual observer

What is really odd is how you can attempt such an awkward and obviously silly syllogism as assuming the Tea Party voice the same views as the Left. Perhaps you even believe that crap. Maybe I was wrong about you. What I took for arrogance and an ability to lie continually may really be a symptom of severe mental dysfunction.

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By AFriend, September 24, 2010 at 9:37 pm Link to this comment

Go Right,

I’m coming to the same conclusion regarding ardee.  I simply gave my opinion like everyone else here and he was immediately moved to insult me personally.  He went further in not hesitating to insist that I’m a liar only for voicing a different opinion.  I was trying to be as polite as possible by responding how I found his response, well, interesting.

I also don’t understand why, after giving my opinions here like everyone else, it’s suddenly my obligation to prove him and others wrong in their opposing opinions?  Or have I misunderstood?

I’ll end by repeating myself.

Who here can deny that the majority of the so-called far-left never wanted, nor accepted, the country in the hands of President Bush and a republican congress. The neo-cons in the White House, it was said, were taking over the United States. Even the world.

The protests began immediately after the election. Yet in 2010 the tea party protesters voice the same views (wanting their country back) and they’re hated, belittled, and called racists. That is truly odd to even the most casual observer.


Good luck to you too

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By ardee, September 24, 2010 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

Tobysgirl, September 24 at 10:14 am

I thank you for the kind words and am heartened to note that some at least see through the crap spewed by those two cretins. I think they have both earned that enmity by their constant lies and distortions ,from which they run speedily away into criticizing any attempt to post the reality they have besmirched.

Please note how they have , neither one, made any attempt to defend the characterization of the fascist Koch Brothers political machinations as the same as those of Soros or Benjamin. You do, I note ,attempt to point out the farce in that comparison but will get no response , no literate and studied one at any rate. No, all they’ve got is their shaky grip on reality and an endless supply of “pity me I’m a minority here”.

For far too long the Left has allowed their miserable lies to stand unopposed, until it becomes as truth to far too many. I think that those here who read the slander of “AFriend” ( to whom I wonder) and remain silent fail their duty to truth and to political debate.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 24, 2010 at 4:43 pm Link to this comment

Maani, - “Just a tad bit of exaggeration there, ya think?”

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I understand you don’t see it. 

You have not heard what AFriend has conveyed on this post.  I see someone clearly attempting to speak out against demonizing those who disagree.  You see someone that, you believe, is not fully in agreement with you and you can’t seem to reconcile or make sense of it.  You’ve turned a reasonable person into something horrific. Even despised.  It’s senseless.  It’s truly the oddest thing to witness.  And it’s so prevalent on spaces such as this.  I take no joy in writing how I frankly don’t know how you and Tobysgirl are not completely ashamed of yourselves. And, no, I am not exaggerating when I write that.

AFriend is absolutely correct.  There is no more or less greed or bigotry, stupidity or graft, hyperbole and dirty games, lies and ties to corporate lobbying inside politics amongst one party over another.  And it matters none which country one happens to talk about.  Humans are human everywhere.  There is only a lack of authentic listening. 

I see the same thing on this Web space as I see on RedState.  The farthest fringes of contemporary American society.

In the real world democrats, republicans, independents, liberals and conservatives work together every day.  It’s evident in every board-room, every school-board, every work-place, every church and every office on Wall Street.  It’s only in Washington, State capitals, newsrooms and blogs such as this where perception reins.

If I may?  Try revisiting AFriend’s comments with eyes as you would your Grandmother.  Respond in kind.  It’s a useful way to authentically listen.

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AFriend,

It’s good to see another here just as disgusted with the level of rhetoric and the hate on display.  Keep posting.  Don’t allow the worst of them to drive away anything you have to say. Send me an PM and I’ll explain how to blot out the nastiest of the bunch.

I enjoy a spirited debate.  It’s not Manchld’s politics which disgusts me.  Disagreeing on policy is not that tough.  It’s the constant need for deference.  I have no patients for it.  You’ll find that any discussion with that one will lead you to the same conclusion:  If anyone, man or woman, were to walk up to you and voice their disagreement in the same manner, you’ll never seek it out again.  That person would never be invited to return to a meeting amongst those who actually make decisions and get things done.

Good Luck.

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By Maani, September 24, 2010 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:

“AFriend, sorry to say you’re fighting an uphill battle on this Web space.  Your words of reason and calls for a dignified discourse will almost always be met with rancor, derision, unapologetic political bigotry and, in many cases, unbridled hatred.”

Just a tad bit of exaggeration there, ya think?

As for “dignified discourse,” if someone came on here and insisted that the sun rose in the West and set in the East, AFriend would likely consider that an acceptable “opinion” for discourse.  I would not.  Neither would anyone with half - no, one-quarter - of a brain.

The point is that not every opinion is equally valid in all cases.  AFriend is apparently not simply a moral relativist, he is a political, economic, social, cultural, etc. relativist.  However, not all of these things are “relative”; there are actually facts (remember those?) that apply, in which case an opposing “opinion” is nothing of the sort: it is a willful denial of facts.

‘Course, I would expect fact-challenged people like AFriend and yourself to stick together.  Seems like a…no-brainer.  LOL.

Peace.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 24, 2010 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

AFriend,

Sorry to say you’re fighting an uphill battle on this Web space.  Your words of reason and calls for a dignified discourse will almost always be met with rancor, derision, unapologetic political bigotry and, in many cases, unbridled hatred.

You see how futile it is to discuss anything with the hate-filled, Manchild, ardee. I use a newsreader when viewing or editing TruthDig posts.  I never even see his narcissistic nastiness.  It makes my visits here a great deal more bearable. wink

Keep posting.

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By purplewolf, September 24, 2010 at 8:01 am Link to this comment

Sarah Plain ole Palin and her T.P.ers ilk are like rabid dogs foaming at the mouth. They need to be euthanized as soon as possible. Not only for their own sake, but for the safety of this nation.

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By Tobysgirl, September 24, 2010 at 6:14 am Link to this comment

I am beginning to think AFriend is another poster to ignore. He is unbelievably smug and self-righteous about his own “tolerance.” I think I need to run to the bathroom right now to throw up.

Thanks, ardee, Maani, and Peetawonkus, for your words of wisdom. Don’t you love these folks who would equate Hitler with Martin Luther King, Jr? “We need not degrade and belittle those who happen to believe differently.”

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By Tobysgirl, September 24, 2010 at 6:08 am Link to this comment

AFriend: “You go out of your way to belittle today’s protesters.  You write as if they are lessor people.  I find no wisdom in this.

“There is no difference in the actions of George Soros, Stephen Shaff, and Medea Benjamin from the Koch family.  They just all happen to lay down their dollars for what they appear to believe in.  And you simply do not like it when those action happen to disagree with your views.  Correct?”

I do not write about anyone as though they are lesser people. I, however, feel no compunction in calling those who are mentally ill mentally ill, those who wish to deprive others of rights people who wish to deprive others of rights, etc. And if you are not aware of it, the tea party platform in Maine includes denial of rights to lots of people in the state of Maine.

I am beginning to feel you are an idiot. I have known ALL MY LIFE that I am a marginal person, I never expect ANYONE to agree with my views. It is my neighbors and people of their ilk who expect me to agree with their views (God should be in schools, those illegals, etc), never for a second thinking that I might have my own beliefs.

Just because an opinion or belief exists does not make it valid. I suggest you read Fromm’s The Sane Society to try to comprehend the danger that some belief systems possess. Mass insanity does not make it sanity, and I believe it is about time we realize that people who want to deny others the rights they expect themselves, people who are racist, people who are vicious, people who are greedy, are sick. These are not the characteristics of healthy humans. No, someone who wants to “buy ‘em bus tickets to Massachusetts” (people on welfare) is not a healthy, compassionate, decent individual. For one thing, he is an obvious alcoholic, and I learned long ago that many alcoholics are miserable people wishing to inflict their misery on others.

You have in no way shown me that Medea Benjamin is equivalent to the Koch brothers. She is out there, if nothing else, and they hide behind various phonily titled organizations (Americans United for Prosperity, etc). Is Medea Benjamin giving, what is it?, $25 million to various political campaigns this season?

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By AFriend, September 24, 2010 at 4:38 am Link to this comment

ardee, “Again, and for the last time..”

Thank you. We’ll all hope you are a man of your word and that was the last time. There really is no reason to be belligerent and small when people disagree.

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By ardee, September 24, 2010 at 2:48 am Link to this comment

AFriend, September 24 at 12:52 am

Again, and for the last time, you deceive no one with your posting of bull and your running under the “protective” cover of criticism of that bull being an attack on your free speech rights. Bull it is and bull I call it.

Your comparison of the politics of the Koch brothers to that of Soros or Benjamin(?) was exactly that, bull, and I called it such. Your history here is clearly one of posting such bull and then pretending to be offended by exposure of the fact of its being nothing more and certainly nothing less than a steaming pile one finds in pastures.

Your tactics, ignoring the normal defense of your position ( and how could you really defend such bull), and attacking the critic is childish, silly and gains you nothing. Try standing behind your assertions instead of proving my own.

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By AFriend, September 23, 2010 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

ardee,

“Do you think folks here are sheep to be turned to your deceptions so easily?”


Interesting. If others do not parallel your views then others are being deceptive or lying.

I believe diversity a good thing. I believe acceptance of differing views also a good thing. There is no reason for you to be belligerent and small.

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By ardee, September 23, 2010 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

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ardee,

“AFriend. You seem to relish taking a simple truth and turning it into a lie…”,

If others do not parallel your views then others must be lying?

Interesting.
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What is really interesting is how you just did it again…....Do you think folks here are sheep to be turned to your deceptions so easily?

Comparing the Koch Bros. to the altruism of Soros is like saying Scrooge was Santa Claus. Those boys, whose Daddy was a founding member of the John Birch Society never spent a nickle unless they were certain to get back a quarter. Soros tries to make life easier for the poor and the downtrodden, the Koch’s only make life easier for fascism. I am certain you approve of that.

Smarmy little fellow that you are I will state to you that I welcome debate and will expose your lies and deceptive commentary wherever and whenever I find them. You diminish this forum with such tactics, leaving a ring around it with every post.

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By Maani, September 23, 2010 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

AFriend:

Interesting that you chose to address only Soros vis-a-vis the Kochs, but said nothing about Shaff or Benjamin - because you know I’m right.

As for Soros vs. Kochs, you are either missing the point or are being willfully…willful.  Is it now a “libertarian” cause to enrich yourself by raping the earth, ignoring the law, cynically attempting to influence the creation of laws that serve only your own personal/corporate interests, and cynically using the very real free-floating angst of very real, angry people in order to advance your own personal agenda?

Give me a break.  The Kochs are no more “libertarian” than I am Serbo-Croatian.  (And I’m not.)  They are the worst kind of capitalists.  In fact, they are, in the very real sense of the term (which is admittedly thrown about too much these days), proto-fascists, since they clearly support (indeed, are a part of) the merging of the political and economic interests of the U.S.

Peace.  (Maybe…)

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By Beaudigger, September 23, 2010 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

One need only look to see where national policy benefitting so called “business” has led us.  People, wake up and stop thinking only about the dollar! Climate change, disappearing affluency for the bulk of americans, lack of healthcare, infrastructure.

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By Peetawonkus, September 23, 2010 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie
I…I…I agree with you. Very well written. Damn!

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By Anarcissie, September 23, 2010 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

The kind of ‘conservatism’ the Tea Party represents is not conservative, so I strongly doubt that it can be the future of anything except trouble for the Republican Party.  Inconsistencies and contradictions of belief, and of belief with practice, are all right until one gets some power, but then they are likely to cause a great deal of difficulty.  In the case of the Tea Party, there are radical conflicts of ideology between religious rightists, social reactionaries, neo-cons, business-interest types, and libertarians.  They can unite in opposition to Mr. O, the Democrats, and their policies, but they are not going to agree on anything to replace them with; hence the ‘Party of No’.  ‘No’ can ruin, but it cannot rule.

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By iceaxe, September 23, 2010 at 7:36 am Link to this comment

Anyone else feel a sense of jealousy over this whole tea party frenzy? I mean
where is the progressive counterpart. We blog til blue, we feel the anger while we
read our Huff posts, and the like, but we are badly losing the PR battle. Our most
successful spokespeople are comedians, and their rally in DC will be derided as
farcical at best. And worst of all, that progressive voice we elected to the
presidency has fallen silent with the worst consequence being a loss of hope and a
deep feeling of helplessness.

The Titanic is going down and there ain’t enough life boats to go around. Women
and children first? Dream on.

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By omop, September 23, 2010 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

marcus medler

  Your comment seems as close to
what “it is” as to what it really is.

  Come Fall of 2012 every household
in the 51 states [including Israel] will
receive a 51 month calender with
each month a photo of Sara and/or
Bristol in different poses and
appropriate attire exhibiting female
attributes as the “logo” of what really,
really politics means to voters.

Its not too early to chant, “Viva Sara”?

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By AFriend, September 23, 2010 at 5:45 am Link to this comment

ardee,

“AFriend. You seem to relish taking a simple truth and turning it into a lie…”,

If others do not parallel your views then others must be lying?

Interesting.

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By AFriend, September 23, 2010 at 5:39 am Link to this comment

Maani,

“Look at what Soros, Shaff and Benjamin have done with their lives BEFORE they helped fund the peace movement and other “progressive causes.”

We will then disagree on your premise.  You make a clear distinction of politics. You seem to believe “progressive causes” are good (worthy of pursuit) while libertarian causes are nefarious, greedy, or, in some way, unworthy.

The Science of Liberty: The Koch family, and by extension the Koch Foundation, appear to believe that liberty is fundamental to a peaceful, prosperous society.  The non-profit management program at the Koch Charitable Foundation appears to teach people that creating real value for people is the only reason any company should exist.

Do we assume George Soros’ capitalist profits are intended for the good of all but Koch profits are intended for ill and harm to others? Why? Will you claim that you know Mr. Soros and the Koch family that well? 

I do not assume progressive causes are the only causes worthy of consideration. Particularly if it involves dismissing others points of view as evil or, by their very nature, meant only to be self-serving.

So you and I disagree.  That should not allow me to believe you to be an awful person with awful intentions.  That would be wrong.

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By Peetawonkus, September 23, 2010 at 5:29 am Link to this comment

AFriend
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
- attributed to John Kenneth Galbraith
“To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.”—Thomas Paine, The Crisis

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By ardee, September 23, 2010 at 5:00 am Link to this comment

“There is no difference in the actions of George Soros, Stephen Shaff, and Medea Benjamin from the Koch family.  They just all happen to lay down their dollars for what they appear to believe in.  And you simply do not like it when those action happen to disagree with your views.  Correct? “

Only in small part actually, AFriend. You seem to relish taking a simple truth and turning it into a lie, I congratulate you on having a talent regardless of how it is used to distort and lend credibility where none is deserved.

The truth is that Soros does give many millions to causes in which he believes, Medea has no money that I am aware of, but gives generously of her time. The Koch’s, on the other hand, give only to that which serves their own business interests and warped view of a future fascism.

But thanks for playing.

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By mrfreeze, September 22, 2010 at 10:26 pm Link to this comment

I grew up in Utah and the whole “tea-party” scenario looks and sounds exactly like the bullshit the Mormons have been preaching forever. There’s nothing new in it and I’m not shocked at all that it finds inspiration and “leadership” from a person of questionable intelligence and dubious accomplishment….that would be sister Sarah.

Is it me, or has our national discourse become nothing more than a big pile of dog-shit?

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By poolman, September 22, 2010 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment

Any group that puts Palin in a position of authority is ill informed or willfully blind.  She has zero integrity and no good deeds to her name.

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By Maani, September 22, 2010 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

AFriend:

“There is no difference in the actions of George Soros, Stephen Shaff, and Medea Benjamin from the Koch family.  They just all happen to lay down their dollars for what they appear to believe in.  And you simply do not like it when those action happen to disagree with your views.”

Actually, you miss a fairly critical distinction.  Look at what Soros, Shaff and Benjamin have done with their lives BEFORE they helped fund the peace movement and other “progressive” causes.  And then look at what the Koch brothers have done with THEIR lives - and TO all of us! - BEFORE they started funding the climate denial, Tea Party and other “conservative” causes.

There is ZERO comparison.  All three of the former have devoted their lives to helping others, and they make little or no money themselves from the causes they support.  The Kochs, on the other hand, put their money where their money is, and cynically support only those causes that will help enrich them by not negatively affectin their businesses - almost all of which have among the worst safety and environmental records of any companies in the entire world.

There IS a difference here.  Soros, Shaff and Benjamin support causes that help others, and try to create a safer, cleaner world for ALL of us.  The Kochs support causes that help THEM, and don’t give a rat’s ass how it affects the rest of US.

Peace.

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By mdgr, September 22, 2010 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/dear-angry-american-joini_b_734664.html

You may like this post. It cuts deep and it’s certainly very wise.

Note, however, that constructive channeling of anger also was evident in tearing down of the Berlin Wall. There are a lot of walls/crystallizations, including the two party system and the perennial shell game wherein we’re expected to vote for whatever is perceived as the lesser of two evils.

For a lot of us, however, that option has ended. It isn’t merely about anger, therefore, even though that is present. I see both the GOP and the Dems blamed fairly equally in 2012, with the Tea Party being the “logical choice” for many.

Unless we have another option at that time that is both credible and viable, we will be in very serious trouble. Not counseling fear or paralysis, just proactiveness in terms of our planning and our actions.

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By berniem, September 22, 2010 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

Fueling the hate, fear, superstition, and greed of the less educated and easily swayed, minority political groups have usurped power in many nations over the course of history with the usual results. Governance emanating from the precepts of rigid dogma and narrow ideology must constantly rely on the discovery of and struggle against contrived external threats as well as domestic scapegoats. Sooner than later these are expended and the unclad emperor is left standing astride the ruins of his/her utopian vision in the midst of former believers who now only want a new savior to point out the true enemies threatening their wellbeing! In other words, they never learn!

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By AFriend, September 22, 2010 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment

Tobysgirl,

“AFriend, you seem to find all points of view of equal validity. I do not.”


I passionately believe diversity a good thing. I believe acceptance of differing views also a good thing.  I believe money and influence drives much of politics on and from all sides of the spectrum.

We need not agree with others in order to extend respect. We need not degrade and belittle those who happen to believe differently.  You go out of your way to belittle today’s protesters.  You write as if they are lessor people.  I find no wisdom in this.

There is no difference in the actions of George Soros, Stephen Shaff, and Medea Benjamin from the Koch family.  They just all happen to lay down their dollars for what they appear to believe in.  And you simply do not like it when those action happen to disagree with your views.  Correct?

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By marcus medler, September 22, 2010 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

This is well done!(forget slick willy)  It shows the p.r. politics of the next few years—she reminds me of how you win a beauty contest. Hire coaches and ad types, then work hard and train hard and scream for attention. 

Palin has always understood—attention getting——now she has discovered the—-Miracle in DOUGH— it makes bread rise.

Politicians, as with movie stars and national cookie brands,  to exist and succeed—demands constant press- good and bad.

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By Tobysgirl, September 22, 2010 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

AFriend, you seem to find all points of view of equal validity. I do not. I do not find the tea party Republican platform for the state of Maine to be decent and constructive. I do not find the tea party gubernatorial candidate to be anything other than the vulgar, crude, ignorant man that he is. I did not put words in his mouth that make it clear he doesn’t even understand the structure of government. The insults he indulges in are of his own making. And then he whines he’s being treated unfairly when he is quoted (and, fortunately, videotaped). And, guess what? He falls into line with “Americans United for Prosperity,” the Koch group, and may, for all I know, be receiving money from them.

I have a copy of a rant against public education put on the net by a local tea partier (it was removed). As far as I can see, the person who wrote this is probably mentally ill. No, I do not feel his POV (rooted in his objection to paying property taxes on his enormous property) is as valid as a POV which supports educating our children in decent, well-equipped schools. I have no desire to stifle his ability to express himself, though his ideas are sickening, but I am well aware of the right-wing movements in America which HAVE suppressed ideas, political parties, and books.

How, exactly, did Medea Benjamin (I’m no fan) fund antiwar protests? May I point out to you that antiwar individuals and groups had/have little major media coverage? Must I then point out to you the excessive coverage of right-wingers? Without MSM coverage and the prompting of Fox News, how many people do you think would turn out at tea party rallies?

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By jjdean, September 22, 2010 at 11:59 am Link to this comment
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The Tea Party is merely the rump remnant of Goldwaterites. People who supported and continue to support the Republican Party even as they moved their jobs offshore, concentrated wealth to the top, re-established the corporate state, bloated the military with tax dollars and orchestrated wars. Now they want to be more conservative. As a result of this revolution the democrats have joined in to the extent possible for their institutional survival. Now these fools have no where to turn but to the even more extreme position than the ones that have destroyed them. Good luck, glad I saw this coming years ago and don’t have act like it just happened and prepared for the wemar collapse in Amerika.

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By AFriend, September 22, 2010 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

Tobysgirl,

I am well aware of the Koch family and George Soros. I am also well aware of the American Enterprise Institute and the Center for American Progress.

Perhaps I am not understanding you point.  I’ll hope it’s not another theory on who are the good guys and who are the bad guys in politics.

George Soros, Stephen Shaff, and Medea Benjamin funded the anti-war protests in 2003-2006.  But that did not “make” people leave their homes and travel to protest.  The Koch brothers and others appear to identify with the current protests.  But that too does not “make” people turn out to protest.

Too much hate.  Too much fear.  It’s not healthy nor smart.

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By Beaudigger, September 22, 2010 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

When will we wake up and see the truth?

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By Tobysgirl, September 22, 2010 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

AFriend, you need to learn a bit about the activities of the Koch brothers, funders of the tea party movement.

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By AFriend, September 22, 2010 at 7:43 am Link to this comment

I frankly don’t understand the comments here. I thought diversity was a good thing. I thought acceptance of differing views was a good thing.

I’ve been hearing democrats and republicans alike speak out against Washington corruption, too many taxes, sweetheart deals between the congress/lobbyists and the status quo. It seems to me the tea party protesters are actually moved to action but, oddly enough, are universally hated, feared, and despised on this site and others.

Who here can deny that the majority of the so-called far-left never wanted, nor accepted, the country in the hands of President Bush and a republican congress. The neo-cons in the White House, it was said, were taking over the United States. Even the world. The protests began immediately after the election. Yet the tea party protesters voice the very same views (wanting their country back) and they are hated, belittled, and called racists? That is truly odd to even the most casual observer.

In May 2010 Howard Dean spoke of the “democratic infrastructure” as being partly made up of The Center for American Progress, Daily KOS, the Huffington Post and MSNBC. He said very plainly that these organizations are part of the fabric of the democratic party which helps democrats govern. 

According to the Federal Election Commission Wall Street firms gave more money to democrats in 2007-2008 by a margin of 3 to 1. Obama over McCain by a margin of 4 to 1. The insurance industry by a margin of 6 to 1. But the tea party is made up of a manipulated and ignorant few driven by corporate money?  Too ignorant to know the world as others here see it?

Sadly I see nothing more than unchecked hate and unhinged fear on this thread.

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By knobcreekfarmer, September 22, 2010 at 5:05 am Link to this comment

spot on ardee!

The progressives should really be the grass roots tea party rising up against
corporately controlled America. Where are they!?! Instead we get these lemmings
of corporate lockstep pledging to “get government out of our Medicare” and
remove all those pesky rules allowing full on rape and pillage of “We the people.”

Notice how well produced this spot is. I think I even saw one black dude! With that
much corporately paid for spinning it will be hard to stop them.  God help us…

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By ardee, September 22, 2010 at 2:56 am Link to this comment

In my own opinion the Tea Party represents a manipulated and basically ignorant few, driven by corporate money and bereft of any and all subtlety or real knowledge of issues and solutions. Further I think they represent an anomaly existing as a side effect of our governmental sell out to the very moneyed interests that currently run this nation.

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By Jason, September 22, 2010 at 12:41 am Link to this comment
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The Tea Party movement will be the new Nazis!  Just watch… 

At least, this is my prediction.  Ok?  I will feel vindicated with saying that “I told you so” after everything pans out as I predict.  If not, then I will say that I am sorry.  But at least I am more immune to PROPAGANDA than evidently so many of my fellow citizens are.

I do not understand the social short-term memory issues regarding our populace.  Did right-wing thinkers just forget about Bush Jr. or what?  Seriously…

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By Maani, September 21, 2010 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment

There are two schools of thought here.

One is that, even if a few TPers get elected, they will still represent only a tiny number of reps and Senators, and so will have little or no power to actually effect policy, even within the GOP (much less against the GOP leadership).

The other is that TPers who are elected will be tenacious in wearing down the GOP leadership to affect (some) policy.

Either way, TPers represent the future Amerikkka, something closer and closer to a proto-totalitarian theocracy.  And they think Muslims are scary!

Peace.

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By ibh, September 21, 2010 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment
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Ah American womanhood at its finest

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