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Posted on Jan 29, 2012

Clashes between protesters and police in Oakland have once again focused the Occupy spotlight on the city.

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By oddsox, February 4, 2012 at 8:20 am Link to this comment

ChrisML:
“once you lose freedom and democracy,it becomes Very difficult to get it back.”

Hear Hear!

We may disagree on other topics—I imagine we do on many.  But you’re so right about lost freedom.  Ask anyone over 30 from Eastern Europe.

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By ChrisML, February 3, 2012 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment
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I believe that the occupy Movement has been much needed in the USA for a long,long time.  A corporate mass media,a military style police force that seems to do what it likes,and a government that jumps,when the corporations say so….All these things point to the fact,that America is headed for a Dark Place.        This is serious ,once you lose freedom and democracy,it becomes Very difficult to get it back.We Have been Warned

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By gerard, February 1, 2012 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment

Study some about Oakland—its history, its population statistics, its social problems, its economic needs and its lack of care for urgent improvement.  It explains a lot about Occupy’s problems in Oakland—the limits of understanding between opposing forces, the emergent need for mutual broad public education on what Occupy is trying to do and how they are trying to do it.  Add to that the need for Occupiers to have a deeper understanding of nonviolent tactics and strategy, plus awareness on all sides of provacateurs sent in to deliberately disrupt and start trouble. A very
sophisticated continuously persistent community-building effort will be required.  It may be the most difficult place in the country for protesters—and for police who are probably over-equipped and under-trained to meet young, nonviolent protest.

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By oddsox, January 31, 2012 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

after today,
Newt is Moot.

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By Sebastian Lawhorne, January 31, 2012 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment
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Tina Duquy on AlterNet:

The Occupy Movement, “the 99 percent,” has, ironically, been hijacked by a small minority within its ranks. I speak of a small percentage of Occupiers who are okay with property destruction. As we saw in Oakland over the weekend: They’re okay with breaking windows, trashing city buildings and throwing bottles at the police. In short: They are not nonviolent. They are willing to commit petty criminal acts masked as a political statement.


These are Black Bloc tactics and they’re historically ineffective at spurring change. The now Gingrich-vilified Saul Alinsky in 1970 said the Weather Underground (the terrorist wing of the anti-war movement) should be on the Establishment’s payroll. “Because they are strengthening the Establishment,” said the “professional radical” Alinsky. Nothing kneecapped the call for the war to end quicker than buildings being bombed in solidarity with pacifist sentiments.


Here’s the key point: Occupy is not an armed conflict – it’s a PR war. Nonviolent struggle is a PR war. Gandhi had embedded journalists on his Salt March. He wasn’t a saint. That was a consciously cultivated media image. He used the press and its power to gain sympathy for his cause. What he didn’t do is say he was nonviolent “unless the cops are d*cks,” a sentiment voiced at Occupy. Nonviolent struggle has nothing to do with how the cops react. In actual nonviolent movements they welcome police overreaction because it helps the cause they’re fighting for.

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By Jane Stillwater, January 31, 2012 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment
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Who paid for all that “police protection”?  Probably came out of Oakland’s already- deficient education funds. Quan should be ashamed.

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By Michael Shaw, January 31, 2012 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

Quotes by Newt Gingrich:

“I have enormous personal ambition. I want to shift the entire planet. And I’m doing it. I am now a famous person. I represent real power.”

“Gingrich - Primary mission, Advocate of civilization, Definer of civilization, Teacher of the rules of civilization, Leader of the civilizing forces.”

Gingrich on Gingrich:  “The most serious, systematic revolutionary of modern times.”

Newt Gingrich decides who lives and dies.  When a reporter asked Gingrich what to do about the homeless a few days after the police shot a homeless man in front of the White House, Gingrich said: “Give the park police more ammo.”

And Newt Gingrich determines what is true and false.  As he said a few weeks ago:  “Any ad which quotes what I said on Sunday is a falsehood.”

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By Michael Shaw, January 31, 2012 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

Now wait there just one goddamn minute! This can’t be true! The peaceful Oakland police would never, ever do this to normal citizens without warning! Only to dirty hippies, communists and bums who are un-American! How dare “they”- these communist journalists- portray these digital actions without the proper cuts that prove Rupert Murdoch’s point?!? I’m sure good old Newt will know how to handle them! How about reeducation camps for a starter! If that doesn’t work, simply substitute rubber bullets for live ammunition!

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By roy dahlin, January 30, 2012 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment
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Dean Massalsky and fellow patriots, are you beginning to see why your 2d amendment rights are so important and enumerated in the fed. Const. 1787/1791.  As the war, we are the enemy of the state, against the people escalates to Syria style repression and indiscriminate murder, the people has the right to change their gov’t. to suit their interest.  I doubt and the evidence demonstrates otherwise the OAK cop establishment has the people’s interest in mind.  All those arm chair citizens would also be wailing against the OAK mayor, city council and cops should they too be mistreated and abused if they began to exercise their inalienable rights, especially the 1st amend.  It seems to this observer their, OAK establishment, short term goal is to strip all of their respective 1st amend. rights.  That is why all options must remain on the table and rule out none.  The pattern of actions and facts demonstrate these bully belligerent usurpers only understand brute force and practice using it intentionally. Someone should pull OAK mayor’s oath of office to see where her alliances lie or if she is treasonous. Who is her constituency? Perhaps a writ of mandamus can be brought & when denied by the judiciary maybe cause for bringing in the Fed. for title 18 offenses.

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By PatrickHenry, January 30, 2012 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

10,000 marbles please.

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By gerard, January 30, 2012 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment

Very unfortunately, one of the main problems in Oakland is probably a “predisposition” of police to resort to force, and that tendency comes out of previous experiences of not being able to deal effectively (or to even basically understand) protest as one of the effects of being marginalized.
  Marginalization is both a cause and an effect of violent rejection of unorthodox behavor, and once it becomes a set response, becomes circular, that is, mutually reciprocal.  The more marginalization, the more violence. The more violence, the more marginalization. (You are against me; and I am against you. No exit.)
  Marginalization is used as a control mechanism by authorities becauee it separates people from each other. The result of that is, it’s easier to harm an “enemy” than a “friend.” So police tactics use it to disunify and set protesters against them, and agaisnt each other, to divide them into “manageable” groups, or isolate them from the public. Such tactics work.
  Possibly the only tactic that can be used successfully against marginalization is its opposite:  Deliberate and consistent unity. Unity comes out of previous preparation in how to resist nonviolently with united determination to avoid, and where possible, to minimize confrontation and remain aware of “the other guy’s point of view,” whether protester or police.
  Police have no training in “remaining aware of the other guy’s point of view”; in fact, as in all militaristic organizations, they are trained not to consider any behavior beyond following orders as laid out in manuals of instruction.Probably very few protesters have had such training, though among protesters a general awareness of such tactics exists.
  We are trying to enter a new (post-violence) age here, and outcomes are unpredictable in the extreme except that a broad consistency comes to us from history:  Force tends to create oppositional force. The question now goes beyond physical force.  The issue has become: What about moral force?  How can it be maintained during conflict?  How can it become effective?  What destroys it?  Is it worth adopting?
  Huge unexplored questions now being explored worldwide in many different ways, yet unresolved!)
New territory out there somewhere is waiting to be explored. The works of Gene Sharp, Gandhi and others are helpful, but not substitutes for creative thought and action.

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By YoungGringos, January 30, 2012 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

I would love for this to be a peaceful movement.
In some places I’m sure that is possible, but not in Oakland. 
Every chapter of Occupy is autonomous and speaks to the needs of its community.  In Oakland the police have made themselves the stars of the show.  They stand between us and meaningful change.  They target us, bully us, terrorize us, trump up charges of “lynching”- now they arrest us for failing to disperse without even telling us to disperse.  This is a criminal organization that will soon be taken over by the federal government for their long history of reprehensible conduct.

I saw people shoved, beaten, shot, gassed, and once in custody treated inhumanely.  One ziptied man pleaded repeatedly to be allowed to relieve himself and was ignored until he finally soiled himself.  The proud boys in blue then shamed him.
A woman with a broken wrist had zipties that caused her excrutiating pain- she wailed in pain but police refused to change her ties.  I saw protesters taken away in ambulances.  I saw a protestors massive black and purple wound from a beanbag round. 
Fuck the OPD.
Fuck them.  Fuck them.  Fuck them.

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By Blueokie, January 30, 2012 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

oddsox - The tactics the police used was to surround people, order them to disperse, and give them no outlet to do so.  They then used flash bangs, gas, and “non-lethal” projectiles on the protesters.  The charge of police brutality comes as a result of these tactics, this was done at several locations and people were forced to climb over fences and walls to escape (property damage) at one location a YMCA branch opened their doors to allow people to pass through their building to escape.  This was all intentional of course, the police would force people into
areas where they could be ambushed, the “break in” at City Hall was also planned as there was no presence at the building and it was left unlocked.  Along with protesters several journalists were arrested and their videos confiscated.

Elko John’s link was from earlier when the NYPD was trying the same tactics, the Marine was just back from deployment and was upset at seeing tactics that were used there on the population at home.

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By gerard, January 30, 2012 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

One problem with police having military equipment to use is that they will inevitably use it.  In itself, it sets up a war-like scene which in turn is apt to stimulate a war-like response.
  What efforts are being made on either side or on all sidea to avoid this kind of “set-up” and “reaction” which comes off as little more than a show of force?
  Who is talking to whom about what? Or is it just pro versus anti, pro versus anti, and nothing more? Some creative input is missing. Some act that illustrates a positive outcome?  Some group decision to make the march about accomplishing something beyond confrontation? 
  I really believe the entire national situation consists of millions of people just like all of those on both “sides” in the video, with a variety of misconceptions trying to find an action that will unify their hopes. 
  Probably, it is going to take something more complex than me against you. ???

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By oddsox, January 30, 2012 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

ElkoJohn, I just watched your video clip without audio.
I don’t see police brutality here either—
Nothing thrown, no one even touched.
Just one pissed off Marine ranting at the NYPD. 

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By ElkoJohn, January 30, 2012 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

‘‘There’s no honor in hurting unarmed civilians.’‘
US Marine Corps Sgt. Shamar Thomas to the NYPD, Oct.2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmEHcOc0Sys

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By oddsox, January 30, 2012 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

I don’t see police brutality on this clip.
I see crowd control using minimum force.
What do you see?

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, January 30, 2012 at 6:27 am Link to this comment
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We are the enemy now.  If you don’t want any trouble from the police, move on to your next shopping experiece.

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By they call me the working man, January 30, 2012 at 3:33 am Link to this comment

Damn those people who think the american people should run their country! Beat them! Then send ‘em all over the world to fight for freedom…

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By Dean Massalsky, January 30, 2012 at 12:22 am Link to this comment
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Again, I wonder what the police are going to do when people start showing up
with their OWN defensive counter measures? I can make a Plexi Riot Shield. I can
buy a mask on Amazon.  What can they do then? People are going to start showing
up in body armor of their own. When did our police get the approval from US, the
citizens, to treat us like an occupied country, all civilians hostile? How about non-
violent, but ARMORED protests?

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