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N.Y. Archbishop Compares Gay Marriage to Marrying His Mom

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Posted on Mar 24, 2011
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New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan is a man of the world in some senses, showing his love of cigars and beer in this “60 Minutes Overtime” clip, but he’s all about strict adherence to Catholic doctrine when it comes to some hotly contested issues: gay marriage, female priests, abortion.

Here, he takes up a disappointingly common rhetorical tool to explain the church’s aversion to gay marriage, asking Morley Safer, “Where would, then, the tampering stop? I mean, I love my mom. I don’t have the right to marry her.” Sigh.  —KA

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By Mark R. Day, March 30, 2011 at 10:19 am Link to this comment
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The whole 60 minutes show on Timothy Dolan was
a farce. No critical reporting in the 60 min.
tradition. Big media talking to big church. No clue
that Dolan left a big sex abuse mess behind when he
left Milwaukee.  He is a Vatican yes man just like
Cardinal George in Chicago, Rigali in Philadephia and
the newly minted Cardinal Gomez in L.A.. There have
been some great U.S. bishops and cardinals in the
past—but that’s the past.  On Dolan, go to the sex
survivals websites:  http://www.snapnetwork.org and
BishopAccountability.org   and search Archbishop
Dolan.  it is not a pretty picture.  now there is
some investigative reporting.

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By Debpower, March 28, 2011 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment
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Catholics like Dolan are so opposed to abortion because, hey, if there are no children born, who will they have to “play” with?

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By jtenonefour, March 28, 2011 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

I grew up catholic - and GUILTY - even attending a VERY
conservative catholic college in the midwest that has Mr.
Ratzinger’s adopted nickname.  One is always shielded from that
circular logic these people use to uphold their noxious status quo. 

I also have an aunt in the Pacific Northwest who, while not catholic,
is a christian, and I suppose, a good one.  And it was her circular
reasoning, and these ridiculous canards these people use, that
eventually drove me to atheism.  I will not step foot in their (my
aunt and uncle’s) home unless I’m accompanied by another non-
believer. What I was subjected to in ONE NIGHT staying in their
home when my brother got married was eerily similar to the
sixteen years of catholic detritus that I’m STILL trying to shed.  I
CANNOT STAND being proselytized, and the above film footage of
this clown for christ is why:  believing like these people do, my aunt
included, is a RATIONALIZATION FOR ATROCITY.  It’s too pat, too
facile, with that circular logic they use.

LOVE the dress, though!

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By reynolds, March 27, 2011 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

oedipus, a greek story- who knew?

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By RayLan, March 27, 2011 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

Homophobia like all irrational beliefs depends on invalid logic -
The love of a mom obviously doesn’t compare with the love of gay partners because of the sexual component. It’s that part that homophobes are in denial about. How can two men be sexually attracted to each other? It’s just gross (in their narrow minds).

It’s typical Catholic sexual moral theology, an area in which they especially have no credibility considering so much clerical molestation having been enabled and/or ignored by Ratzinger. (Pope Bene).

You could make all kinds of specious analogies - brother and sister - adult and child compared to male and male.

But these comparisons prove nothing because the premise is still that same-sex relations are wrong in themselves.

How are same-sex relation like incestuous ones?
Because they are wrong.
But in order for the argument to work, you have to already assume they are wrong, so the argument is circular.

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By Loller, March 26, 2011 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment
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What?! This guy wants to marry his mom? Jesus. These Catholics are some real sickos.

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By samosamo, March 26, 2011 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment

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I just found this and I think it may apply here, if not, no big
whoop:

Where once were men are now but sheep
-a fiction and far cry
From planet earth’s proud animal
-who would be you and I.
Alas, our forebears drank the cup of poisoned alibi
And made excuses far and wide,
and made God in the sky.

This boogaloo’s now round the world
-bad trips for everyone.
No more the man of paradise
or the Celt of Albion.
They queue like burning moths to spread the all-time vicious lie.
You christians destroyed our tribe
-I’ll fight you till I die.

And you can cut me down for what I said
But goodness lives where God is dead.

The history of religion is the history of the State
Incestuous exploiters of a catalogue of hate.
The man of peace was over-run by armies of the “Lord”
Who signed their names to any war
and sang to praise the sword.

The mission heads for outer space
the voices ring and swell
With aeons of self-righteousness
the senseless echoes knell

The words get much more meaningless
-even plainer to tell
That those who would pronounce this God(which one)
are those who make this hell.

And you can cut me down for what I said
But goodness lives where God is dead.

LOVE IS THE great triumph over christianity.
She made a fool of silly priests. She mocked authority.
She filled her bed with happiness.She gripped his loins for joy
And felt ecstatic agonies and screamed the sweetest cry.
Her children are the legacy of failure to be chained
An everasting mutiny of flowers where it rained.
They rise out of oppression
They speak with one accord.
The fountains breath- the spirit lives-
The future rests assured.

And to say that God is dead presupposes that
he was at some time alive.
Ooooo what a young fool I am.

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By TDoff, March 26, 2011 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

Aw, go ahead, Timmy, marry your Mom. Maybe she will put up with your sexual peculiarities, and get you off on a regular basis, which will be a real boon for your child-victims in the parishes you control.

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By Jim Yell, March 26, 2011 at 10:13 am Link to this comment
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Meanwhile in the real world “do not bend over to pick up the soap in a room full of Priests”—man or woman.

I have nothing against Catholics, but I do wonder that they continue to allow the Pope and the Vatican anywhere near their churches. Historically the church is an interesting case study in Corporate Life, but as a guide to humanity it is only a blueprint for oppresion and murder.

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By keepyourheaddown, March 26, 2011 at 1:26 am Link to this comment

he is obviously GAY who else would even think about the concept of marrying your mom…
another pathetic excuse for a “religious man”

wouldn’t get the concept of god if he fell over it…

Useless, a fraud…

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By SteveL, March 25, 2011 at 11:22 pm Link to this comment

Saw the program Sunday.  Thought this guy might be married to a plate of food.

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By Leefeller, March 25, 2011 at 9:08 pm Link to this comment

Holy crap! I did not know Replicators could be Catholic, but now the buggering thing makes sense,.... difference being, the Republicans bugger everyone, not just little boys? Well, I am voting for Col Gadfly,...... I am pretty sure hes not Catholic.

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By Shenonymous, March 25, 2011 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment

The number of Catholic Republicans in the House—61—nearly
equals the number of Catholic Democratic House members, at 64. 
It is a striking about face since the last Congress convened two
years ago with a Catholic House corps of 98 Democrats and 38
Republicans.  So are the Catholics worse than the Republicans? Not
if they are Republicans.  Then you have 61 fanatical conservative
gargoyles.

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By Leefeller, March 25, 2011 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

Geeze berniem! You make the Catholic Church sound almost worse then the Republicans!

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By johnnyfarout, March 25, 2011 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment

I think we get it berniem… a link to nice apropos rant.  http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2011/03/25/vatican-upset-over-being-called-out-on-their-shit/

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By berniem, March 25, 2011 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

What an absurdly attired and obscene buffoon cavorting about claiming influence and authority over a group of people who have been conditioned to consider themselves sheep! Wake up people! These parasites have no more insight into life and reality than you do but have learned to employ fear and loathing as controlling tools. Do you really believe that if there were such an entity as an all-everything “god” such would countenance being represented by such despicable creatures? Allowing yourselves to be led about and coerced by these charlatans is the epitome of delusion and self-deprecation!

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By Shenonymous, March 25, 2011 at 5:50 pm Link to this comment

It’s an old old, actually ancient Greek story, Oedipus, the mythical
King of Thebes who fulfilled a prophesy to kill his father and marry
his mother.  That was about incest, gay marriage is not in any way
about incest.  Dolan perhaps had a fixation on his mom which is why
he may have become a priest.

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By SarcastiCanuck, March 25, 2011 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment
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Well,I’m against gay priests marrying thier moms.Got a beer?Uuuurpp

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By Peter Knopfler, March 25, 2011 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

This is historically stupid. If you have to sell the
Church then you better look for a better product. SEX
WITH little blind BOYS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST
PROBLEMS,maybe be Catholic,or Protestant, abuse
groups them together
The Bishop forgets History, KING RICHARD the lion
hearted was in love with Prince Philip of France,
forced to denounce faggotry and produce a child for
the Crown and off to the Crusades with Philip
following Behind. Philip of France paid the ransom
when Richard was captured and the two rode off into
the sunset of History.
ArchBishop is part of that perverse history. Church
never learns from their mistakes the Rabbi is still
hammered to the cross the Christians still worship a
Rabbi on the Cross.

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By samosamo, March 25, 2011 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

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This guy might do well to read up on the origins of religion
from research that stretches far back into ancient history and
on up today by serious people who I would assume were very
skeptical about the whole idea of ‘just what is this thing called
religion and where did it come from and why’.

‘Suns of God’ Acharya S

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By Leefeller, March 25, 2011 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment

This guy looks like Russ Limpjaw, does he have his own radio program show too? 

Johnnyfarout, you seem to be missing the word ‘alleged’ homos and and alleged ‘witchy-women’ when you say;..... ” I suspect the “Inquisition would have broke those homos and upstart deluded witchy-women and kept the dogma pure.”......  Of course I was not there, but the Inquisition may have been opportunism driven, fulfilling sadistic tendencies, used as a means of flexing power and used for demented sexual proclivities. This seems to lead us to todays buggering of little boys and the Catholic Anti gay song and scepter routine, I wonder what the connotation of the gold scepter is?

Though I am not an ex Catholic, I find the need not pressing!

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By johnnyfarout, March 25, 2011 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

I must also compliment Deidre on her apt description. I’ve known several higher up Catholics…Mother Superiors ( ‘jumped the gun’…god I just can’t help myself) and Monsignors,…know that the priests do not take vows of poverty; cigar smoking and beer, or actually in most cases, fine brandy swilling and laughing aloud are their wont; they hob-nob with the successful of God’s flock daily. They have the vision of the poor and downtrodden worshipping in silence all around them as they call down God’s grace and live swell. They are the first to point out those among them who work away from all the trappings of power, as if it is their burden alone to bear it, and they pretend to an intellectual elitist tradition that is all of their own fantastic imagining. Harkening back to 33 AD…it’s laughable. These men have everything in common with the Roman Empire and nothing to offer the thousands of millions calling out his name except that huge fantasy….like the one he harbors about his mother… One can see him hankering for the days when he could have snapped his fingers and the Inquisition would have broke those homos and upstart deluded witchy-women and kept the dogma pure. I say too much…that’s the trouble with us x-catholicas, once we get going the ‘rolling thunder’ of our objections takes over and all the ‘Whore of Babylon’ has to respond with these days is fancy crooked sticks to shake at us, and foofoo dresses and hats, that even Jesus would have laughed at. It will do us all well to keep all these Christians away from statist power as they have shown time and again how truly inhumane and horrific they can be: talk mumbled prayers in your face as they twist the dagger, rip your heart out and toss it to dogs…eheheh, did I go too far?

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By JJN, March 25, 2011 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment
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So its okay for a man to be married to the church, as a priest, the church represented by Jesus Christ (male) and God (male). But our friends and brothers can’t marry.

But he drinks beer so he’s just like me.

Left the Catholic church when Mom gave me the choice and never have looked back.

If the Catholic church wants some good PR, talk about Arch Bishop Oscar Romero, or liberation theology, not the BS from this guy.

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By Gilhow, March 25, 2011 at 11:51 am Link to this comment
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Tim Dolan must have been high from both his cigars and his beer to so ignorantly
follow the lie about gay relationships, especially in his snide, un-Jesus-like way. 
But that’s how Dolan has gotten to New York, by being cute, not psychologically
intelligent, just theologically clever, and Vatican correct.  It is quite unbecoming
for a presumed celibate who is a manager in a church that scandalously
obstructed justice by hiding the crimes of its clergy for so many years—so may
generations—to cast first stones at others.  The cardinal-in-waiting doth protest
too much!  By the way, those crimes were also “sins.”

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By Leefeller, March 24, 2011 at 10:11 pm Link to this comment

Does this mean he is not into buggering little boys?

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By samosamo, March 24, 2011 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

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This picture of ‘it’, and Deirdre, you really did yourself well in
pasting his pompous white ass with just the right amount of
scarcasm, this picture defies any compassion for a position he
worked so hard for on his way to power and glory and the right
to tell everybody else what god wants them to do.

And just when it appears that justice is catching up to the
shenanigans of the priests in alterboy land, here comes a beer
swilling and cigar smoking( wonder who he smokes with) and
‘drinks all around’ deputy of ‘god’.  And he’s worried about
marrying his mom?

Fiction and science fiction could never come up with weirder
doings as this.

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By Deirdre, March 24, 2011 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment

Tim Dolan has worked very hard in his chosen profession. He has attained an elite level of power and majesty where he is shown wearing a really pretty dress and a fancy tall hat. He also gets to carry around a nice looking gold scepter.

Based on his costume and accessories alone, doesn’t that give Tim the authority to speak his mind and have people listen in awe?

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By tomack, March 24, 2011 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

Who gives a s&^%? Just another blowhard fast losing his relevance.

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