christian96…

This forum’s topic is “Move Your Money.” Clearly, we have strayed far afield from that so I will end my part in our communication with this observation.

You quoted: “2 Corinthians 4:4, “In whom the
god of this world (Satan)has blinded the minds of
them which believe not.”

Your bible is a book of stories most of which cannot be authenticated, that offers no evidence but requires a reader to believe it’s truth “on faith,” and which often proclaims that anyone who doesn’t “believe” is… “blinded” (again without a shred of supporting evidence that this is so). The bible makes claim upon claim and yet offers NO evidence to support it’s claims.

To accept it as “truth” takes a mind that is needy, gullible and easily deceived. There’s MY claim. Where’s my “evidence” that this is so? I don’t have any! If I had written that 2000 years ago and it was included in Corinthians, YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!

So it’s a standoff. If you need to “believe,” and that is your business. If it makes you feel good and fulfills your life, wonderful! I’ve looked at the issues for over 70 years and can find no rational reason to believe. And I too have a fulfilled life.

After 2000 years of editing it would be astonishing if the bible didn’t contain at least SOME good info and advice on living a civilized life on this planet. It does. But for every nugget of “truth” there’s an entire gravel pit of nonsense. And you know it.

This will be my last posting on this forum on this off-topic communication. Good luck to you.

RAE—-Your comments about the Bible are interesting.
Less than an hour ago I was watching a preacher on
TV. He quoted 2 Corinthians 4:4, “In whom the
god of this world(Satan) has blinded the minds of
them which believe not.”
Regardless of our differences in beliefs about the
Bible I just read the following info on AOL.com
news.  Why did these people pass by this man? The
Bible says, “Love grows cold because of the multitude
of sins in the world.”  It’s obvious the love of
the people who didn’t help this man has grown cold.

(April 24)—A homeless man who was stabbed while saving a woman from a knife-wielding attacker lay dying in a pool of his own blood for more than an hour while several New Yorkers walked past without calling for help.

christian96 - the Bible says a lot of things, many of which are complete nonsense which, if you are honest, you will admit.

I have nothing in common with someone who could possibly spend 32 years “studying” (trying to figure out) such a convoluted, contradictory collection of misquotes, mythology, soothsaying, altered historical records, fantasy, invented morality, horror, cruelty, mayhem and outright lunacy, etc., supposedly “written by God.”

But each to his own. Enjoy!

RAE—-I know it’s going to get worse, probably beyond our imaginations.  I’ve been studying the
Bible for 32 years.  The Bible predicts what’s
coming.  God said he is going to make people’s
life miserable trying to get them to repent of
their selfish wickedness.  Talking about the recent
volcano erution in Iceland one reporter said, “It
soulded like the earth was groaning.”  Romans 8:22
reads, “And the creation groans.”  The pipers in
Washington and those who pay them are going to be in
for a great suprise when the “mark of the beast”
arrives on the scene and it’s right around the corner.  ALL PEOPLE will be forced to take a mark
in their right hand or forehead to buy or sell. Those
who don’t take the mark are killed.  Those who take
it will be giving their allegiance to the beast and
shall eventually be cast into a lake of fire.  The
Bible predicts the pipers and those who paid them
will cast their gold and silver into the street
for fear of what is coming upon the earth.  Let their money save them at that time?  He who laughs
last laughs forever.

“Depending upon a government sold out to the Corporations is a scary thought! ... and, christian96, it’s going to get scarier!

The government didn’t sell out so much as it was taken over. He who pays the piper calls the tune. The governments are just pipers - amateurs playing softball in a hardball world.

We have a farmer’s market on Saturday mornings where
I live in Florida.  Last Saturday, I decided to go
purchase some strawberries, tomatoes, cucumbers, and
green peppers.  As I walked toward the tents where
the merchandise was being sold I glanced down at
a newsstand for our local paper.  In large letters
on the front page was written “FEDS SEIZE RIVERSIDE.”
As I continued to walk I thought “Feds seize Riverside?  That’s where I do my banking.”  I walked
back and read the article.  It said that TD was
buying Riverside and for customers to not worry.
There would be no discontinuation of services. After
buying my groceries I purchased a Greek Gyro sandwich
walked over to the water’s edge and sat staring out
at the water wondering, “what is happening to our
banking system?”  I have no idea.  Like most people
I have to depend upon our government to protect us
along with the banking system.  Depending upon a
government sold out to the Corporations is a scary
thought!

christian96 wrote, in part: “The FDIC is struggling because of all of the bank failures so guess who has to pay for it…..as an example our FDIC insurance cost the bank about $17,000 in 2008.  With the special assessments and premium increases in 2009 we paid $300,000….with more to come in 2010.”

When I deposit money in my bank account I do NOT give the money to the bank. My money is NOT the bank’s money - I OWN it. If the bank has taken ownership of my money without my permission perhaps I should call the police. I don’t remember signing anything that stated that when I place my money on deposit that it becomes the bank’s money. So if the bank “fails” they should fail using THEIR money, not mine. If the bank takes gambles by issuing unsecured loans they should be doing it with THEIR money, not mine.

I’m wondering where an audit of the FDIC can be found. I’ve never heard that they’ve paid out even one cent to cover some individual depositor’s losses. That doesn’t mean they haven’t but I’d like to know exactly HOW MUCH they’ve paid out, to HOW MANY, WHEN, and for WHAT reasons. While you’re at it, how about an accounting for how much the FDIC has taken IN over this same period of time?

Why do I suspect the FDIC is just another pie-in-the-sky scheme which sounds great but actually just makes the “few” a whole lot of loot (and I use the term deliberately)? Likely just my crap detector going off again.

Just watched this on Democracy Now.  Typed in:
moveyourmoney.info to find local banks in my area.
Sent this information to my Rotary friend who
works for a bank in Ohio.  His bank is on the
local banks listed for his zipcode.  The following
is what he just e-mailed me:

This effort to get people to move their money to local banks is the result of the mess caused by the “mega-banks” that were considered “too big to fail” …..it is upsetting to me because the federal regulators (who examine our bank in some aspect or another yearly) come into the our bank (all community banks) with the mindset that they have to find something wrong and therefore have to impose huge changes and they let the mega banks do what they want with little or no regulation because of the too big to fail- too big to regulate attitude.  The mega banks and “sub-prime” lenders caused the real – estate mess and now we (community banks) who didn’t do a thing to create this mess have all of the paperwork and new regulations to abide by…..and the new regulations and paperwork is MASSIVE. Furthermore, I watched the Rose Bowl parade and football game.  Citi (one of the mega banks) had a huge float in the parade and had their name plastered all over the football field and advertised via commercials during the game and parade…..I can bet that the advertising campaign for the football game and parade cost a fortune…..yes Citi took bail-out money.  We just wish that Congress, the Senate and the federal regulators would come to their senses and see that the community banks have always operated conservatively and ease up on the pressure, paperwork and regulations for us.  They are going to put some community banks out of business as a result of what they are doing.  The FDIC is struggling because of all of the bank failures so guess who has to pay for it…..as an example our FDIC insurance cost the bank about $17,000 in 2008.  With the special assessments and premium increases in 2009 we paid $300,000….with more to come in 2010. 

Take care

Bob

Sorry RAE, didn’t mean to be a downer!  Then again, anyone under 55 who really thinks they will get anything out of Social Security is deluding themselves.

Thanks, “Voice,” for popping that balloon.

Sometimes I feel guilty for harboring and propagating such jaded views of our society as I am quick to do. Most people don’t want to hear the about the negative “realities” so it follows that most people don’t want to hear me offer my views about them either. I don’t profess any special knowledge or ability, but I do claim that when something looks to me like BS, and smells like BS to me, I have a right to suggest it’s BS!

Someone’s got to stand up and declare the Emperor naked. Why go to the trouble when obviously almost no one is listening and those who do either can’t or won’t do anything about it? The only answer I have is that it’s an outlet for the rage I internalized after it dawned on me how used and conned us “little people” are by our society.

Religions, for the most part, are clearly a large part of the great fantasy-making machines. All their efforts go into assuaging the desperate and mostly powerless plight of the masses and to replace that harsh reality with whatever fairy tales “work.”

Whatever the religions miss to this end the governments are quick to supply. They’re not as good at it but their outright lies, deceptions and cohabitation with the financial oppressors on this planet generate confusion and distress enough to keep the masses chasing their tails, which, serves almost the same purpose.

One of my favorite “cons” by banks and government has to do with their attempts to brainwash all workers into SAVING FOR RETIREMENT. In those countries where it’s each citizen for himself or herself in old age, yes, I think it’s good advice. But in our Western societies, with all sorts of Old Age Pension plans and Supplemental Benefits available to those without funds, I have great difficulty with the scheme. Why? Because long ago I calculated that for me to save enough from my paltry salaries for it to grow into any significant amount by retirement age, I would essentially have to deny myself everything but basic shelter, food, clothing and transportation for my entire working career.

And what would be my reward for such deprivation? The GOVERNMENT gets to save the money it would have had to pay me in OAP and supplemental benefits! In other words, they bullshit me into denying myself so THEY can save money - money, by the way, that THEY TOOK FROM ME IN THE FIRST PLACE. That’s a CON - big time.

At least it was as I saw it. I never had a job with pension benefits. Oh sure, go get into harness with a nice comfy union or government job and stick with it for 25-35 years, and you’ll have a substantial pension I suppose - but I wasn’t about to trade MY LIFE OF FREEDOM to go where I please, when I pleased, for some “reward” in old age when it was likely I couldn’t do or go where I pleased if I wanted to because of some infirmity or other.

Nope - for me - freedom to do what I please is the MOST important variable in my Quality of Life. If I don’t have that - the rest doesn’t matter. Our society does NOT like people like me who they can’t co-opt/enslave into become pawns in their shell game.

And no, I don’t have an answer to How would our society function if it wasn’t for the willing participation of the “pawns?”

What’s this got to do with money and banks? I don’t know. But something smells like BS when a bank gets to hold your money, pays you peanuts to use it, and then has the gall to turn around, make you beg them to loan you your own money for some purchase and charge the earth for the “service.” There’s just something not right when the bank gets to make far more using YOUR money than you do.

Of course, what George did was illegal as hell, both in using his own money to keep the his B&L afloat, not keeping any records of who was loaned what, or even requiring a payback.

And only in Hollywood do all those people come back at the end and give George all their money.

RAE…land is nice, but irrelevant. If 10% of the huddled urban masses moved to local credit unions, it would be a total disaster for the enemy. 25% and it would be all but over for them. The notion that we cannot beat them is patently wrong. We’ve already all but beaten them. All that remains is the global conflagration, their death throws. That could be a real doosey, most of us could die even, but they’ve had it. And they know it. They are in abject panic, at least those few of them who are insufficiently inbred to be capable of sober analysis. “Elite”? What a misleading name for them. They are very stupid, very reach people with money enough to co-opt the best brains for hire. This time they over-extended. It won’t even matter when they take down the Internet. Critical mass has been achieved. Never, ever, ever think we won’t win this. The people will rise up within a few years now. Probably the S will start to HTF next fall or winter. Maybe the year following, tops. One way or another, they’re done.

Buy land and work it and “...hurt the puppet masters more than even bullets ever could!”

I think you’re correct, DieDaily, to suggest this. It’s exactly what we did. However, take a look at the “huddled masses” by the millions in those filthy, chaotic cities. They’d be “at sea” on land. There’s no way more than a few of us could make the transition. Besides, the moment it became fashionable for the yuppies to try it, the “puppet masters” would somehow manipulate the prices of land in rural America to make it financially impossible.

Nope… those in economic control of this planet, whoever they may be, are clever bastards with more money than even they can count (most of it ours). Short of some catastrophe of global proportions (another asteroid impact, perhaps?) they’ve got control. The only way to deal with it, in my opinion, is to remain too small a fish for them to bother with. Stay as far out of the mainstream as you can tolerate and hope for the best.

I only use banks as a skipping stone to get cash in my safe. What is
best is to eliminate your debt then invest in good arable land and
the tools to work it.

Paper, or pixel, money will not be with us much longer. Are you
ready?

brilliant! This is the achilles heel of the whole dog-and-pony show we call Wall Street and the globalist financial terror network. If you can do nothing else, my friends, MOVE YOUR MONEY. You will experience an IMMEDIATE karmic upswell and hurt the puppet masters more than even bullets ever could!

Yes, Credit Unions, RULE! They do not want the little customer, they want the large customer who will leave their money in the institution for them to use at very low percentage points, while community banks, are trying their damndest to work for the people.
Community Banks, have a stake in the community. They are run by your neighbours and friends, the people that work at them are the people down the street from you and they want to succeed as much as you do.
Seeing this short film makes me realize that the money I get, paltry sum though it is, will now be placed into my community bank and used by the people of my community.
Somehow, we the people, need to break the stranglehold of large mega-banks and the corporate lobbyists that have written and rewritten the laws in their interests. The only way to do this is to remove your money from the mega-corporations that are stealing your hard earned dollars, well, quarters actually, and put them into the community where you live. Maybe then, the mega-banks, will listen to the people and STOP THE MADNESS!
The derivatives market still has yet to be accounted for, the American people are facing the worst economic disaster in the history of this country. Some estimates put the dollar value of the derivative market at 480 Trillion US dollars. How and why are the American people supposed to fund this economic crisis? Obama has yet to take the reins of government and force through the legislation
that is necessary to stop the madness. WHY? Because he is now in the hands and pockets of those who caused this crisis, the money lenders, usurers really
that take your hard earned money for themselves and give it to those who will make legislation favourable to the mega-banks.
Time is up people, we are now going to have to choose whom we serve, through economic slavery the multi-national corporations or ourselves!

Credit Unions rule!

I removed my money from the clutches of “banks” many years ago and deposited my paltry sums in Credit Unions.

Twice now the small Credit Unions to which I belonged have merged/amalgamated in order to “grow larger and stronger and better able to serve you.” Both now are indistinguishable from banks.

It doesn’t seem to matter. When money/profit is involved, humans, singly or in groups, will exploit ANYTHING and ANYONE to gain a real or imagined advantage. The fundamental error is, clearly, the belief that BIGGER is BETTER. Well it might be… FOR THE BANKS but certainly NOT for any individual depositor.

The next move for my money, since now I earn almost nothing with it on deposit, is under my mattress. At least then I will know where it is and will be able to get it at MY convenience. I used to use online banking because of its convenience. Not any more - last month my Credit Union denied me access unless I “signed” that I agree with their newly minted terms of access.

Those outlined, essentially, that they - the Credit Union - can do just about anything they want regarding my account, without any notice to me, and that I would have to take them to court if I didn’t like their decisions. In other words, to these financial institutions, possession is 9/10ths of the law - they’ve got MY money and will keep it if they wish until ordered to do otherwise by a court!

It is almost impossible to function in today’s society without a bank account of some kind, but I keep as little in mine as possible. I do not trust ANYONE in any bank or credit union to look after my interests. I think anyone who does is a FOOL.