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Monday’s Obama-Boehner Debt Speeches, Minus the Grandstanding

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Posted on Jul 25, 2011

We’re all about in-depth coverage, but when it comes to political grandstanding, better to just skip to the good stuff. Here are two minutes or so each from the president and House speaker’s Monday debt ceiling speeches (during which John Boehner said it’s “not going to happen.”)

Guess that means it’s time to plan your debtpocalypse party.

It’s worth mentioning that while neither Speaker Boehner nor President Obama can find common ground (yet, anyway), each would happily agree to trillions in cuts that will almost certainly kneecap what’s left of the American economy. Tea party: 1. America: 0.

 

And for the thorough, the full speeches are below.  —PZS

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By Angel Gabriel, July 30, 2011 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

The worm - aptly named!
Which page in the Tea Party handbook did you come up with your “Blame
everything on Obama” spewage?? I can’t seem to locate it, but it is such a tired
“Stock & Standard” pool of piddle it must be there somewhere!...
Most of the time I am very happy that the Internet has remained free from
regulation and mostly free and uncensored for"Freedom of Speech” issues, but
if it ever comes down to needing to qualify ones intelligence for submitting blog
material - my friend, you are going to be left talking to yourself in the
bathroom mirror!
Firstly, I am not an Obama supporter - nor do I support ANY ideologists,
Oligarch’s, or Religious Fanatics. I just don’t go there because probably 90% of
the worlds economic and social woes are a direct result of the clap-trap these
geniuses dream up as a means of enriching themselves at the expense of
others. Now that I’ve qualified my self as a non-religious, non-Corporatist, and
non-Jim Jones Coolaid drinker - let me just say that I believe in Humanity and
the social responsibility that comes along with living by the Golden Rule of
treating others as you would be treated.
I cannot understand how anyone would place the blame at a man’s feet for your
list of Failures that you claim Mr. Obama responsible for when clearly the guy
walked into a lit time bomb after taking over from the previous clown that ran
the Circus. Is it a case of denial, or are you just dumb and forgetful?? I’m not
going to go into detail on ALL of your rants, but just highlight as far as the
health care reform law is concerned that Mr. Obama, and a good number of his
party followers were forced by the opponents of reform to so severely alter it to
get it passed into law it became, for the most part, useless to curbing or
controlling the out-of-control healthcare Insurance affordability and medical
costs that have crippled over 60% of Americans for years!  The only good thing
in the bill is that it does go to some lengths to protect families from being
cancelled or exempted by Insurance Companies for existing conditions. As I
recall however, it was through the efforts of your Republican Conservatives
changing the initial bill so that it was in no way going to Cap the Profits of the
companies or Doctors/Hospitals, or be allowed to be written so that it could
compete with the current system of “Bleed them dry then stitch em up and bury
them” law that was in place in order to protect the profiteers and scumbags
that make big bucks off people getting sick. So please chalk that one off your
list of blame items for the “Black Guy” sitting in the “White House”. Thank you!
The remainder of my commentary on this article has to do with Obama and
Boehner saying almost identical things in their speeches - That YOU American’s
are on the edge of a cliff and the ground is cracking under your feet! You’ve got
a short time to fix the debt ceiling and the Budget, but they really don’t give a
shit and are willing to blow the economic socks off not only the US, but the
World economy as well (especially if you default) for their Ideological Lunacy!?! 
AND, they both continue to insist that the US of America is the Greatest country
on earth!!! I now understand why American’s have such a hard time
understanding Irony, but I think it’s going to slap you square in the mug REAL
soon! You are about to taste the agony of defeat and you’re still clinging to that
stupid rhetoric!!! God help you folks!!!  I was just in Medford, Oregon for a
couple weeks and couldn’t help reading the newspaper and noticing that every
day there were over 8 full pages of House Repossessions listed, how on earth
can you folks think for 1 second that you are exceptional in any other way than
lunacy? If you’re going to collapse would you please just do it and put
yourselves out of the rest of the worlds misery?

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By bogi666, July 30, 2011 at 4:16 am Link to this comment
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the worm, I have to question that Clinton belongs in the company of FDR, LBJ. It was Clinton who began the dismantling of Social Security. He wanted to privatize it and subject 1/2 of Social security to being taxed.Clinton destroyed the Democratic Party.His 1st question after being elected was “what does the Democratic Party have to do to get campaign contributions from Wall St.” He then proceeded to pursue those Wall St. donations by doing only what a Democrat could do, destroy the New Deal and he did so with a vengeance.ObomberBush is doing the same and wants to destroy Social Security benefits, while keeping the FICA tax intact for the purpose of forcing contributions, withholding taxes, and transfer either in like kind or government benefits such as the Pentagon protection racket scheme. Wall st wants that SS money, by the forced contributions of withholding taxes.

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By SteveL, July 29, 2011 at 8:46 pm Link to this comment

The debate would have been over if Citi-Group were about to default.  Congress:  FAIL

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By the worm, July 29, 2011 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

Obama has framed the issues in a lose/lose for the middle class.

The big negotiations are about the following:

Should we dismantle middle class programs by 10.0% or by 10.1%.

Should we reduce Social Security by a lot or a whole lot?

Should we nibble at 6 corporate tax breaks or just nibble at 5 – in either case,
don’t really raise taxes (after we get rid of 5 or 6 tax breaks, we’ll cut rates, so
corporations will still get free ride).

Should we …. ?????  We get the message, no matter what solution we support,
we get the short end.

Obama is asking the middle class to lose a lot (his plan) or to lose a little more
(the Republican plan).

Obama is planning for the corporations and the wealthy to win big (his plan) or
win a little bigger (the Republican plan).

We get it.

Obama has been instrumental in framing the ‘debate’ so the middle class loses
no matter which ‘solution’ passes.

Obama will wonder why he cannot mobilize support for his plan, but the truth
is Obama should understand clearly why the middle class no longer supports
him.

Obama’s has spent three years putting the middle class last and his ‘plan’
continues the same. There is very very little difference between the fate of the
middle class under either ‘plan’.

Where are the Democrats? Do Democrats want to ever be elected to anything
ever again? What in the name of FDR, LBJ and Bill Clinton have these so called
Democrats been doing? Supporting cuts in Medicare, a worthless “Health
Reform”, non-Reform of the financial system, two previous extensions of the
Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy, …. 

There will be few who bother to cast their votes for the “I want to be a
Republican, too” nominal Democrats. I would rather waste my ballot on third
party, than waste my vote on the Democratic Party.

Obama wants us to call our representatives and demand ‘change’. But Obama
has no credibility regarding ‘change’. Because he promised ‘change we can
believe in’, we all voted for him and we watched Obama do the following:

1. The Debt and Fair Taxes: Washington Post-ABC poll Washington Post-ABC
poll, Spring 2011: 72 percent supported raising taxes on the rich including 68
percent of Independents and 54 percent of Republicans. Obama twice
‘bargained’ to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

2. TARP & Financial Bailout: Over 70% of us opposed the bailout. Obama
accelerated it with Geithner and Bernanke - both Bush carryovers embraced by
Obama.  Geithner is soon to receive his ‘bailout’ from the financial sector (as he
soon ‘retires’ from the Obama administration).

3. Health Care: 72% of us supported “a government­administered insurance plan
- something like Medicare for those under 65—that would compete for
customers with private insurers.” Supporting Max Baucus, Obama blocked
hearings on single payer and chocked off true health care reform. Instead he
supported a private-sector, for-profit health insurance ‘reform’ that provided
insurance companies fabulous guaranteed profits.

4. Afghanistan: 64% of us opposed expanding the war in Afghanistan and
wanted to disentangle from Bush-era ‘War on Terror’ and ‘preventive war’
policies. Today, still over 60% of Americans oppose the war. Obama continues
it.

As with the framing of the ‘debt and taxes debate’, Obama has disregarded the
middle class, defended the status quo and turned his back on exactly what the
electorate asked for.

Obama has lost those who once supported him. He should not wander why
voters do not answer his call. Most of his former supporters have watched
Obama disregard their every wish – just like the phony framing of this ‘debt and
taxes debate’.

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By Blackspeare, July 28, 2011 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

I believe there are those investors, financial institutions
and politicians who would like to see a rise in interest
rates across the board.  This debt ceiling imbroglio just
might be the way to accomplish this objective and blame
others.  I know those foreign countries who park their
excess funds in US treasuries would be delighted with an
interest rate increase.  Actually, only the American
consumer loses as business, banks, and industry just pass
on the extra cost.  And who cares about the consumer——
those who rail against entitlements are just afraid that
someone’s 85 year old grandma on a small fixed income might
get a free gall bladder operation!

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By rbrooks, July 27, 2011 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment
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Interesting detail that somehow got left out of The Audacity of Mendacity: Obama graduated from Columbia in 1983; and went to work for Business International Corporation, a CIA front.

http://www.exportblueprint.com/blog/1552/verified-cia-front-business-international-corp-paid-for-obamas-columbia-college-tuition/

Worked there for a year; then went to Hahvahd, on track to be the financial/military establishment’s man whenever and wherever they felt he could be useful. Turns out it was the White House! No wonder this guy is impressed by suits! Took a lot of lying and theatrics (community organizer! BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHA) to get there, but clearly the man is nothing if not accustomed to taking orders. Whatever the investment, I think Wall Street would be the first to tell you, oh baby, was he worth it.

It would be hilarious if it weren’t so terrifying to hear all the speculation about what this waste of oxygen could possibly be thinking. What kind of world do you suppose he thinks his daughters will live in? Do you think he feels he has to care? Is there a spare planet that us retards don’t know about?

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By zonth_zonth, July 27, 2011 at 2:01 am Link to this comment

living in AU, it is funny to see the local media here take the piss out of Obama.  The media clips here always beging with a clip of Obama saying “This is the greatest country in the world”

I had thought Obama would bring some humility to the face of the US.  He is simply parroting the roles that were before him….Bush, Clinton, Reagan,... ad infinitum into ignorance.

Quite an impressive humanities education he got at Harvard.  What exactly did he read anyway, Rand?

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