Anarchissie, with me, it isn’t so much “reliance on what people say” as being aware of how they say it.

I would not rely too much on anything from Stratfor unless it is also observable from our sources.

just go with your inclinations, ardee.

Oh GRYM, err Hetero, I certainly will. All your blathering nonsense notwithstanding.

... Guantanamo…don’t have the guts to close it…

why would they shut down such a successful program for crafting useful
double agent provocateurs? e.g.

Memos from Guantanamo: ‘Algerian involved in Pak attacks was double
agent’ Files reveal Adil Hadi was on payroll of British, Canadian secret services.

By Saba Imtiaz - Published: April 27, 2011 - http://tinyurl.com/6ev88sb
copyrighted © 2012 The Express Tribune News Network

KARACHI:

At least one Guantanamo Bay detainee discovered to be involved in a plot to
attack the US Consulate in Peshawar and believed to have carried out a string of
bombings in Pakistan in 2002, was also on the payroll for British and Canadian
intelligence services, according to secret files on detainees at the Guantanamo
Bay prison camp.

According to Pakistan’s Intelligence Bureau, Hamili was an Algerian terrorist,
hired assassin, kidnapper, and member of Osama bin Laden’s “umbrella
organisation.” However, the Central Intelligence Agency found that not only was
Hamili a source for the British and Canadian intelligence services who had
withheld information from the two, but he was also running a terrorist cell.

[...]

I’m worried about a lot of things besides Stratfor and the NSA in general. But you know what worries me more?  The crass reference to “prison bride” and all the filthy implications behind it, coming straight out of the Guantanamo psychology.
  To this day men who suffered physical, mental and spiritual torture are still locked in there with little to no hope of release, even though they have never been proven guilty of any crime. And we go on tra-la-la-ing on the edges of a hell we created.  We don’t have the guts to close it and stand up for mercy, human decency and reconciliation.
  The crowning irony is that WikiLeaks revealed (among other things) the evils being practiced at Guantanamo SO THAT the evidence would help us to   shut it down! (Not to mention all the other cruel, mismanaged prisons sprinkled here and there around the country, holding tens of thousands of people who should be helped, not hurt. And the worst of it is, we know all this already.
  We also know how to do better; it’s all detailed step by step in many narratives of real experiences like David Kennedy’s most recent “Don’t Shoot: One Man, a Street Fellowship, and the End of Violence in Inner-City America.” And many other reports of realities, all revealing the same principles of reconciliation, and all readily available for the last thirty years or more.)
  “You can lead a horse to water ....” said the old guy sitting on the pickle barrel, spitting in the approximate direction of the coal bucket.

I find the term ‘secret indictment’ as worrisome as ‘secret prison’ or ‘secret trial’.

no, ardee, I reference to you being deeply into Dick Cheney and projecting your
nonsense onto me…...

you share a spiritual affinity with Dick, and if it’s also a physical thing, that’s less
important. you two are tied together and it matters not the way you express
it….and you needn’t be offended that you’re being judged.

just go with your inclinations, ardee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvBstohTYA8

By heterochromatic, March 1 at 1:01 pm

Oh, a homosexual reference, how unsurprising from an increasingly obvious jackass like you. Another trait you share with your far right wing brethren.

ardee—- i’m sure you get more Dick than I, but the part of the article that I was
pointing to was about the sad-assedness of Assange asserting property rights to
the interview.

Apparently that was enough for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who awaits a court decision in London to be extradited to Sweden to face rape charges. As a professional propagandist with a mind captivated by conspiracy theories, he is a master of innuendo.

Ahh,Hetero, I assume you got this link from your buddy, Dick Cheney. What a fair minded article..not at all a hatchet job, or innuendo filled either. You should be so proud!

What’s that Bugs? Oh yeah, “What a maroon” alright.

The government, (or rather the government that used to be our government, but is
now someone else’s government), likes to do things privately.

Because it allows them protection against Freedom of Information Act searches.

This government also likes having a secret black budget, to prevent the public
from understanding the amount of money that goes to secret projects, secret
military hardware, secret research, and secret military operations.

They also like using operatives and quasi private military organizations, because
they believe those organizations are not subject to the military code of conduct.

In essence, what they want to do is escape the constitutional restraints of
government and the military.

On other hand, they don’t want you to have any secrets at all. They want access to
detailed financial information on you, and detailed information on everything you
do from the books you read, to the web sites you go to.

They also want to regulate what you think, by feeding you endlessly scripted
information.

They want to eliminate your freedoms and your rights.

In essence they have become like an occupying foreign power, because they do
not have any love for the beliefs, the freedoms, or the values that made this
country great.

These people have lost their way, and have slipped into a mad paranoid world, of
suspicion and fear, and there is no telling what that madness will justify.

Of course they hate anyone who would reveal their secrets, no madman likes to
see his madness broadcast for all the world to see.

Private sector goons and stooges have been used by the Government since the
earliest days, when unions first began.

That the Government has expanded its use of private sector force into areas such
areas as the military with Black Water and intelligence with Stratfor.

The essentially Republican notion that, if you can’t slow or stop government
spending, you can , at least, funnel it to the private sector, is the source of this.

Otherwise, Republicans would oppose it. But , because it represents private sector
profits, the Republicans cannot stand against it - “principles” be damned, when it
comes down to it, profits trump principles.

The Democrats can’t oppose it , because they are essentially devoid of principles,

Consequently, we have, and are likely to continue to have and to expand,
operations like Black Water and Stratfor - taking public money, tax money, and
turning it into private sector profits and against the citizens.

all the money raised by the so called campaigns goes into the pockets of the 1%ers. thats what its been about since the nixon/ kennedy debate was a monster financial success for the corporate media. remember “the media is the message”. as ratigan says 93% of the time the winner will be the candidate who contributed the most to the media for marketing, image and issue shaping, polling, and ads.

christian, i have this problem occasionally, also my my comments often have wrong or mislpaced letters. i thought it might to do with me being “snowed in” [sorta] in the “wilds” of canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbcTV88PJi4

For what would there be an indictment of Assange?  Could Manning have left a
trail to him?

—-
Assange’s ineffectual propriety

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/92332/assanges-
chutzpah/

christian96 - truthdig has been having some server problems over the last few weeks, occasionally when you try to get on you will get the server problem notification, but giving it a little time and trying again has been doing the trick.

Everything put out by the SuperPac ad you describe is true.  The fact it was February isn’t a big deal on its own, Coke and Pepsi advertise year round not just in the summer.  The only culture in this country is business culture, there is no revolving door, government, as provided by both parties, is an arm and weapon, to   business.  Advertising done by the parties, as well as their patrons, is to convince you of a paradigm that no longer exists.

vector56:  I have some hope because this case is vital to millions of people throughout the world and they know it. In addition, millions of people in the U.S. are aware of its significance for freedom of information, free speech, freedom of the press, for research and the collection and collation of data, and for democracy as a viable system of government. In addition,many people will recognize the self-entrapment of the government which has used secrecy and cover-up to charge people for revealing secrecy and cover-up; in other words, in using secret and military tribunal methods to deny their suspects with rights to a speedy and fair trial, and have tended toward judgment and punishment before proof of guilt, are further illustrating the need for openness, and thus are to some extent hoist by their own petard.  In addition, the broad interest of politically active young people who are fully aware of the vital importance of the Internet and will tend toward supporting openness of information sharing.
as an instrument for democratic information sharing.

RE:  “Sorry, truthdig.com is not available at this time.”

nothing is perfect - http://www.internettrafficreport.com/

Since no one responded to my question about anyone
having problems connecting to truthdig.com I must
assume you are not having trouble.

A few minutes ago I watched a commerical on WPBF,
West Palm Beach, Florida that began with President
Obama saying on a small tv in the middle of my
screen, “I did not run for office to be helping out
a bunch of fat cat bankers on Wall Street.”
After Pres. Obama spoke a male voice came over his picture saying, “But gues who gave 42 million to
Obama’‘s last campaign for President? Wall Street
Bankers and financial insiders.”  The commerical listed:
1. Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
2. JPMorgan Chase $808,799
3. Citigroup $736,771
4. WBS $539,424
5. Bank of America $421,771
Source: Center For Responsive Politics

As the above numbers were on the screen the male
voice said, “More than any other candidate in history.” Then, a small picture of Obama appeared
left of the screen voting “Yea” as a Senator for
the Wall Street Bailout as Obama’s picure appeared
on the right once again saying, “Fat cat bankers
on Wall Street.”
Then, the male voice said, “His White House is full
of Wall Street executives. His 1st chief of staff,
His next chief of staff, former military office
director, foreign intelligence, ambassador to Germany, and tresury secretary.” As the name of 27
corporations scrolled down the tv screen the male
voice continued, “Obama’s New Chief of Staff, Jack
Lew, took nearly a million dollar bonus(950,000)
from Citigroup after tax payers bailed them out.
Jon Corzine, who lost $1.2 billion of investor’s
money on Wall Street was Obama’s advisor on the
stimulus.”
As the male voice went silent a small television
picture appeared in the middle of the screen with
Obama saying, “People on Wall Street Still Don’t
Get It.”
The ad was paid for by American Future Fund. I went
on line to find out about the American Future Fund.

American Future Fund was founded in 2007 by Nick Ryan, a longtime political adviser to former Iowa congressman Jim Nussle, a Republican.

I am interested in people’s reaction to this
commerical ad against President Obama. And this
is still February, barely.

The government of the USA (and states and cities) is so far down the road of “privatization” (i.e., paying a corporation a profit to do government work that the government used to do itself and could presumably do better and with a greater loyalty on the part of the agent) that there is no surprise that secrets (that would not, for example, be disclosed in a public trial, on grounds of “national security”) are routinely disclosed to corporations and their employees—whose loyalty to say nothing of whose selection and qualification was the corporation’s and not the government’s. 

CIA does it. All armed forces branches do it with over-paid mercenaries. It’s worse than the usual war-profiteering racket: it’s a disgrace and makes a mockery of the slogan “national security”.

“then government of the people, by the people, and for the people may “perish from the earth.” “

gerard: I feel your frustration, but I have a sad feeling that this “Government of the people and by the people” you speak of is not and has never been real!

Maybe someday humanity will achieve true social and economic Democracy, but odds are it will not be in our life times. That “shinny house on the hill” myth that Republicans love to fantasize about never happen.

Like the Alcoholic or Drug addict who can’t admit he/she has a problem to began with, the way forward for “America the bull shitter” will always be just out of reach.

Ahh justice in America.

If you want to know where the fault lies, we all need a mirror. We allow our nation to commit despicable acts of violence around the world, we allow our corporations to control our politicians, and our politicians to control our courts.

Instead of posting silly defenses of an abysmal President, a betrayal of our values by both parties we need to get out into the streets. We need to show the Democrats how we see through them by voting third party and stop the sophomoric defenses of the ‘broken promises President’ and the lesser of two evil nonsense.

How many more American citizens will Obama murder without benefit of arrest, trial and conviction before we get angry enough to actually do something? Wasn’t one enough?

This is a case that absolutely requires the support and integrity of every single person and agency who believes in open government as a primary requirement for democratic rule. Nothing less than the fate of democracy is at stake. If freedom of information is not supported by massive public insistence, then government of the people, by the people, and for the people may “perish from the earth.”

A couple of hours ago I could not reach truthdig.com. I kept getting a message from
Internet Explorer, “Sorry, truthdig.com is
not available at this time.”  Has anyone else
had trouble getting to truthdig.com?

Wikileaks now holds the keys to power and influence. For instance, the NY Times did not get the latest leaks like Rolling Stone did.

People can profit by being a Wikileaks ally. Older institutions are stuck with a history of questionable doings, and negative publicity.

Companies should anonymously leak info. on their competitors.  Don’t wait.  You may get leaked on yourself.