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Kucinich Switches Health Care Vote to ‘Yes’

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Posted on Mar 17, 2010

Rep. Dennis Kucinich told everyone who would listen, including us, what was wrong with the health care bill and why he couldn’t support it. On Wednesday, he had a change of heart: “After careful discussions with President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, my wife Elizabeth and close friends, I’ve decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation.”

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By room206, March 20, 2010 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment
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There once was a bankrupted America
That cared less for its people than creditors,
    The new health care law
    Corruptibly flawed,
Became a huge tax payer bailout enema.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 19, 2010 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

As the story goes, a man was stranded out in the desert because his car had broken down. He called his best friend for help. His best friend said “I don’t know man; I was planning to watch the game today.” So the man says to his best friend, “I can’t believe what I’m hearing, after all that I’ve done for you you’re telling me you can’t help me? I gave you the money to pay your property taxes, I cosigned for your new car, I paid your bills when you were sick, and I saved your life when we were on the field of battle, and now you say you’re not going to help me?” His friend said “Yeah, you did all that, but what have you done for me lately”?

I frequently refer to people on truthdig as being self absorbed nihilists.  There is more at stake here than just getting the type of health care reform you demand.  Apparently, like the Republicans, you’re willing to let people lose their homes, go bankrupt, and die, because of your ideological beliefs.

Whose Bill is this? Is it Kucinich’s Bill”? Is it Obama’s Bill? Is it the Democrats Bill? No! This Bill belongs to the Health Care Insurance Companies, 40 Republicans and a handful of Democrats in the Senate, (And to some extent people like you, who have been fifth column agent’s provocateur.) Conservatives shaped the Bill, and it’s the best Bill that could be put together under the circumstances. It will insure the uninsured, it will cut Health Care costs, and it will save lives.

I, like many, feel that this Bill is only a first step in Health Care reform. If it were up to me, the Health Care Executives and their underlings would be receiving their pink slips tomorrow, and providing Health Care Insurance for profit would be a thing of the past, but I lack the political power to achieve this goal, and so do you. We’re in the minority, get it!

What’s at stake here is more than just Health Care. Do you really want Republicans to be in control of domestic and foreign policy? If this Bill fails, the Republicans will win, and you will lose. Are you nuts?

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By starfish, March 19, 2010 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

Let’s face it: Dennis Kucinich talked a good line for quite a while (and was believed and beloved), but he’s as much of a weasel as any other politician who sold his soul for very little reward.

A ride on Air Force One was his price?

Omigod.

To save Obama’s presidency?

Even worse.

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By Ken, March 19, 2010 at 1:50 am Link to this comment
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Hammond Eggs said: “It appears that only secession or outright rebellion will ever save this quickly declining nation.”

AMEN !!!

When are people going to realize we have crooks in our government. Crooks are morally and ethically deprived. And you cannot instill morality or ethics into them by talking or negotiating with them. Sure, there are some people who turn to crime out of desperation. But that is not what we have here. Our congress people are not poor or deprived. They are just plain crooks. THEY GET OFF (AKA, EJACULATE) ON THEIR DEVIOUS BEHAVIOR. And they do NOT give a damn about the victims.

The example is the child that is abducted and the crook asks for one million. So the parents pay. And they get either a dead child back, or a demand they pay another million.

This is EXACTLY what Americans are doing right now. Negotiating with crooks and getting screwed over and over again. What you need to do is pray for your child, buy a gun, and when they finally catch the guy, go blow his head off. Not only will you get rid of that one problem, you will send a clear message to the other crooks.

This is the mentality we are dealing with. CROOKS. You deal with crooks by removing them. By locking them up or taking their life.

Rebellion and violence against them is the only thing that they understand… lacking ethics, morality and reason, violence is the only thing they can identify with (our wars are the prime example)... the ONLY thing that will remove them. The exercising of the Second Ammendment.

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By ofersince72, March 19, 2010 at 1:48 am Link to this comment

Dear President Obama,

What a mess we find ourselves in.  I saw through the
Democrat line, so once again, made my every four year
write in vote for the MAN that only speaks out of one
side of his mouth.  But still was glad to see the nation
rise above race to elect you.  However, to me, this race
wasn’t about race, just made about race to divert issues.
So I wasn’t suprised.

Lots of others were though.  Especially here in the
Midwest Bible belt.  Those folks my age and older that had
always voted republican, but finally figured out what they were about and became fascinated with this brilliant
well spoken black Harvard graduate and U.S. Senator.
People that had hardly ever voted democrat in their lives
and just a hint away from racism.  They heard you speak
about issues that concerned them.  Their fascination
became respect, their respect of you became a light to
them of their life long latent racism and they began to
reject this instilled ignorant thought.

They don’t like you anymore.  It isn’t about race.
However, it will be a long time before these middle aged
bible belt Midwesterners vote for another black candidate.

You need a good spanking Mr. President !!!!!!!!

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By starfish, March 18, 2010 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

I think the lousiest excuse for doing a 180 (as Kucinich did) is the need to “save” Obama’s presidency.

Isn’t this legislation SUPPOSED to be about bettering the lives of the American people?

Now it has morphed into saving Obama’s ego?

If it’s as good a bill as Obama says it is (well, we KNOW it isn’t), the bill should be something lots and lots of people are EAGER to vote for and feel no need to be “saved” from voting.

The only reason to do a “deem and pass” is to protect the Democrats from the wrath of the voters at home.

If the Democrats in the House actually believe this bill will better America and better the lives of the American people, they should be shouting their support from the rooftops.

The fact that they are down to “saving” Obama’s presidency as the main reason to support this abomination is proof positive that even those voting for it are ASHAMED and hope NOT to be found out.

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By truedigger3, March 18, 2010 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

This is a sell-out, pure and simple.

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

did anyone watch Kuckinach and Nader on Democracy Now??

Nader, spoke of our spineless media that does nothing
but offer cover for Wall Street.

and the fact that it is past time to get really, really
angry.  and that we are probably beyond political fix
with a vote….

I feel for Dennis, but the Obama presidency isn’t worth
fighting for !!!
I believe Obama has offered him a cabinet position
in his next administration.

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By Freedom Loving American, March 18, 2010 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment
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Dennis is still s hero.  It is the srcum-fucking “GREENBACK DOGS” that destroyed healthcare. The same kind of pimps turned on Carter and Clinton. If we had dems like Dennis we would have univeral healthcare for all.  Plain and simple.

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By Hammond Eggs, March 18, 2010 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

The hell with Kucinich and the Democraps.  For Kucinich to blatantly sell out on something as important as this is to realize yet again what a bunch of rotten, power seeking, morally and spiritually corrupt people all these bastards truly are.  He’s an absolute idiot if he thinks this turd of a bill will ever be amended to remove its egregious thievery.  If it is ever amended, it will only be to make it worse for the average citizen, not better.  I’m sitting here with my heart in my socks and yet laughing at the cowardice and corruption. It appears that only secession or outright rebellion will ever save this quickly declining nation.

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By Katie, March 18, 2010 at 11:45 am Link to this comment
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By his own statements, he could not support this bill.  But no matter, he’s going to vote for it anyway.  Now don’t go and worry; he didn’t make this decision by himself.  He made it, “After careful discussions with President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, my wife Elizabeth and close friends”.  (You know - the people he represents.)
And here I was thinking that the job of our elected officials were to represent their constituents!

Yes indeed, I thought it was their job TO represent us, not TRY.
He was indeed fighting “the good fight’.  Right up until he made his decision to vote yes for something he himself could not support.  (But remember, this as after his “careful discussions”.)  He hasn’t changed his position – just his vote – you know, the vote that represents us.  (I do wonder how much weight his discussions with us carried in his turn-about decision.)

He didn’t lose any fight at all, heavily outnumbered or otherwise; Losing implies there was a fight to the finish.  He wasn’t elected to be part of a buddy system.  To stand firm and vote according to what he knows is right & his constituents know is right, regardless as to how others are voting, is to be standing up for the American people.  That is not being “abandoned”; that is called fighting the good fight.

Yes, at times in the actual practice of politics sometimes there are no good choices, only bad and worse.  This wasn’t one of them.

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By Cynthia, March 18, 2010 at 10:53 am Link to this comment
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Obama can’t be all that much of a power-hungry, money-grubbing corporate Democrat, otherwise he would’ve had Kucinich killed in a plane crash, instead of taking him for a friendly ride on Air Force One. But this still don’t take away from the fact that Obama is doing a major Wellstoning of Kucinich!!!

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

Gmonst,  you make a very good point, why blame Dennis.

TD , also made a good point,  he talked to every media
outlet he could telling everyone he would NOT vote for
the bill.

It is a decision of yours to still stand by him. I won’t.
I have sent money to Clevland my last time. 
Really, Gmonst, when he voted for Obama for president,
He knew he was supporting war and a rising war budget
or “defense budget” as they like to call it.
He is just another Democrat Politician to me. He always
talks and caves.  He won’t leave the Democrat Party
because thats where the money is. The DLC will eventually
turn his constituents against him, as they already have
begun to do.

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By Gmonst, March 18, 2010 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

I have to stand up and defend Mr. Kucinich a bit.  He is definitely in a position I would not want to be in.  I truly believe he didn’t make this decision as some sort of sell out and if you listen to his subsequent interviews he has not changed his position with regard to the merits/demerits of this bill.  He has been abandoned by the other progressive democrats who pledged not to support this bill without a public option, and is left in a position of potentially being the one to kill the bill.  I believe he is being honest with his opinion, that ultimately, the fight for universal care will be served better by having this bill pass than by having it defeated.  I may not like the outcome but I am not going to heap any blame on the one member of congress who has really tried to stand up for the American people.  He is in the lion’s den fighting the good fight heavily outnumbered.  In the actual practice of politics sometimes there are no good choices.  I thank Dennis Kucinich for the work he has done and continues to do.  I will vote for him for any public office anytime I have the chance.  Including a primary challenge against Obama.

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By Miko, March 18, 2010 at 10:13 am Link to this comment
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Up2Speed: “A third party would be just as vulnerable
to the big money lobbyists as the two parties are
now.  What we need is campaign financing reform and
an end to corporate “personhood”.”

Your first sentence is completely true, and would
continue to be completely true even if your second
sentence were enacted into law.  (That is, assuming
third parties still existed in that scenario; I think
it’s more likely that the type of reform you favor
would lead rather to the elimination of third
parties.)  But we don’t vote for third parties
because we expect them to win.  We vote for third
parties to cast illegitimacy on the Demopublicans,
while we additionally pursue non-electoral direct
action to actually achieve our goals.

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By Jean-David Beyer, March 18, 2010 at 8:27 am Link to this comment
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Voting for 3rd parties does not help. I have been doing that for years. They never even get their results reported on the news.

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By anonymous, March 18, 2010 at 7:28 am Link to this comment
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In the end, the other 530+ pricks in Congress & Obama overwhelmed
the people’s wishes.

Asking Dennis to stand with the Republicans against health care reform
is short sighted.

Of course it’s not reform but Obama, the media and other corporate
Dems will spin it that way.  The unpassed law will become the best
thing since Medicare and Kucinich will be the new Nader.

Definitely a win for the pigs.

I’m glad Dennis is smarter than his “supporters”.

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By NYCartist, March 18, 2010 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

I’m listening to Dem.Now (on WBAI; I support
http://www.takebackwbai.org) with Kucinich “live” in interview.  I almost feel sorry for him: he sounds hesitant.  Jane Hamsher has made good points quoted in an article on HuffPo yesterday.

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By NYCartist, March 18, 2010 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

Kucinich was my last reason for being a Dem.  Now I’ll retain my registration in NY,only so I can vote in the primaries, which is where the “action” is. As many have noted, on Znet, Black Agenda Report and other places, such as writer/historian Paul Street, organizing starts very locally, around issues.
http://www.Zcommunications.org/znet
http://www.blackagendareport.com

P.S. Am sending a small check (on paper, you know the old fashioned kind), even though I don’t like all the columnists.  (Same for sites I’ve listed the urls.)  I support the Take Back of WBAI,
http://www.takebackwbai.org

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 4:32 am Link to this comment

Maybe we could get all of them to go on that hike
with Hedges…....if you know what I mean .......

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 4:29 am Link to this comment

He does this everytime…...What does elizabeth have
to do with it..

He souldn’t even be talking to Pelosi….sheisascreaminlir

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By RdV, March 18, 2010 at 4:07 am Link to this comment

To be expected. He always ultimately caves because fundamentally he is a politician.

  Notice how he sheepish cowers in an attempt to provide cover for himself:

“After careful discussions with President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, my wife Elizabeth and close friends, I’ve decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation.”

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

To Kucinach’s credit though,  he did force a war powers
vote recently.  W A R   W O N   3 5 6   TO 6 5 !!!!!!
(that doesn’t make up for being bullied)

But it does show,  there is NO voting ourselves out of
this,  thoses numbers can’t be overcome by voting, it is
mathmatically imposible considering the media, money,
party rules, and general apathy of the public after years
of votes not counting.
“They” have secured our government beyond the grasp of
the public.  For “bottom up” grass roots movements to
take control of the Democrat Party, it would take at least
fifty years to overcome those numbers, without losing.
They don’t give a tinker’s damn about phone calls, letters
, fax or petition drives.  To add to this, the public
doesn’t even know what it wants when they ask for change.
Most Obama supporters, when asked, can’t describe what
change they were looking for.
And in reality, The way we have let our government get
away from us, gunslinging all over the world with mass
murder, installing “government in a box” wherever they
want to steal,,,,,,Americans don’t really deserve
universal health care right now,  we are getting just
what we deserve, ask Iraq, Afgan, Nicaragua and so many
others.  I bet Saudi Arabia, has health care…

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By Commune115, March 17, 2010 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment

When people get over the hype and media debates, they will realize this doesn’t kick in until 2014, it forces you to buy private insurance etc. Prepare for a Republican sweep in November.

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By Beltwaylaid, March 17, 2010 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Rep. Kucinich please pledge a vow to take a shit
on Obama’s desk if we don’t get the ‘Public Option’.

P.S.

Take a bunch of Ex-lax beforehand.

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By Xntrk, March 17, 2010 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment

Not only a ‘Politician’, but he is actually a Trojan Horse for the DLC.

Isn’t Kucinich a Greek Name?

As for viable 3rd Parties and political reform, it will happen when we find the courage to take back the Country! Revolutions don’t happen on the Internet they occur when the people take to the streets. It is a shame that spinelessness seems to be a genetic fault in many Americans - Including Kucinich and Obama and other politicians. Don’t forget: These selfless Elected Officials are guaranteed a fat retirement and Health Care that the rest of us cannot afford - or even dream of!

No wonder it is easy for them to back a bill with NO Public Option and taxes on the Working Class plus mandatory enrollment, or fines. They need those fines to pay for their perqs!

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By wanked, March 17, 2010 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment
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Kucinich used to be the only hope for the poor and working class people of this country. Today, like obomber…he has shown his true colors. A sellout to the corporate masters…  I’ve read his statement several times, and I still don’t see where he actually explains why he’s voting yes. What is the reason? I feel as if Im getting divorced again.

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By dennis, March 17, 2010 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment
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The man’s a complete and total fraud afterall. Next he’ll vote to continue the wars. Gutless fraud.

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By ofersince72, March 17, 2010 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

Hey Dennis,  you sellout,

I believe this has probably cost you
your last bit of credibility…
What did Obama give you?? An updated pocket constitution?

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By EJH, March 17, 2010 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

Apparently, Mr Kucinich is a politician.
http://theunpeople.blogspot.com/

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By TGraf, March 17, 2010 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment
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Note that ‘we the people’ were not listed among those to whom he had ‘careful
discussions’ leading to this reversal of his noble stand on principle for ‘Medicare
for all.’

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By starfish, March 17, 2010 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

Maybe Obama promised to dump Biden and make Kucinich vice president in 2012.

(I see the pile of manure and I’m just looking for the pony that must be here, somewhere.)

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By Commune115, March 17, 2010 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

Dennis The Sellout.

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By Sue Keller, March 17, 2010 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment
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Dennis is not selling constiuents out, I believe he considers all sides deeply before making any choices.  This is the only person that strives, personnally strives, for the betterment of all Americans.
He questions the issues doesn’t follow the tail wagging hound dogs. 
And I’m not even a constiuent of Kucinich, but I follow him because he does consider all sides for the betterment of the American people

Namaste

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By Up2speed, March 17, 2010 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment
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A third party would be just as vulnerable to the big money lobbyists as the two parties are now.  What we need is campaign financing reform and an end to corporate “personhood”.

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By Xntrk, March 17, 2010 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

For years, ‘Progressives’ have touted Kucinich as the great hope of the Democratic Party: A man of principle who understands the Working Class and stands with them against the Special Interests in Washington.

And year after year, he sees the shining truth at the last moment and sells out his supporters.

How much longer must we put up with this BS?

Dump the sell-out Dems and Vote 3rd Part - Any 3rd Party would be better than this crap!

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