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Juan Cole on Palestinian Statehood

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Posted on Sep 29, 2011
U.N. / Mark Garten

Nawaf Salam, Lebanon’s ambassador to the U.N. and president of the Security Council for September, announces receipt of the Palestinian application for U.N. membership.

This week on Truthdig Radio in association with KPFK: Juan Cole reports from New York on Occupy Wall Street and Palestinians at the U.N. Also: The politics of immigration; women still earn less than men; and a jury convicts the Irvine 11.

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Juan Cole says there hasn’t been a good-faith peace process in years and, with ongoing Israeli settlement construction, “It’s like negotiating with somebody over a piece of pie while they have a fork and are actively eating it.”

Henry Weinstein on the Irvine 11.

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By Peter Knopfler, October 16, 2011 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

HISTORY A MADHOUSE TURNS OVER EVERY ROCK;LEAVES
NOTHING UNKNOWN: CONCENTRATION CAMPS STARTED FIRST IN
USA NOT HITLER KNOW YOUR EUGENICS HISTORY AMERICA:
JEWS BETRAYED BY ALL COUNTRIES FOR WELL OVER 2000
YEARS. LONG BEFORE NAZI; WEARING STAR STARTED ENGLAND
11 CENTURY WAKE UP TO CORPORATE AMERICA SUPPORTING
HITLER AND MAO, LETS GET REAL HEBREWS = JEWS 0
ZIONISTS 0 ISRAELI ARE ARE ALL NOT SAME BUT SAME
BLOOD CULTURE RELIGION AND COLLECTIVE HISTORICAL
PAIN: 5772 is Jewish Calendar MUCH OLDER more time to
collect information. DOUBLE STANDARD IS APPLIED TO
ISRAEL JEWS IN GENERAL. NOT TO WORRY WE WILL BE HERE
FOR ANOTHER 5000 YEARS EVEN IF ONLY 15 million JEWS
world-wide. A COUPLE NEW APT: DOES NOT REALLY MATTER!
WHAT MATTERS TEMPLE MOUNT JERUSALEM THE REST IS IN
ALLAH^S HANDS SHALOM JUAN TELL THE TRUTH NO SUCH
PLACE ARAB PALESTINE; KNOW YOUR HISTORY, LIKE YOUR
MASON HISTORY. SECRETS IS AMERICA`S DNA;SEC.CLINTON
SAID c-span Global leadership,“IN OUR DNA” NAZI IDEA
SUPERIOR GENETICS TO KILL!

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By GoyToy, October 4, 2011 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

To Howard of Hasbara:

Who are the “pals?” I note you write pals with a lowercase P. Oh, I get it, you’re talking about those who live next door to the hebs, right?

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By PatrickHenry, October 4, 2011 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

zakimar,

Not all Jews are Zionists and not all zionists are Jews.  By broad brushing ‘Jews’ in your negative commentary you actually work against and insult those who would help you and are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.

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By Howard, October 4, 2011 at 6:05 am Link to this comment

Steal land ?  Hardly.  Any land they have was gaind by defending against armies that attaacked them.  Jordan had the west-bank for 18 years prior and could have given it to the pal’s.  Egypt had the gaza strip and could have given it the pal’s.  Nope , neither done did.
  Going back further they refused their portion of land when the UN gave land to both in 1948.

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By zakimar, October 4, 2011 at 3:36 am Link to this comment
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Howard forwards ALL the Zionist jew talking points/lies
that all of them spread.  Save it for the ignorant
people that watch Fox news, the intelligent people on
this site know your LIES.

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By PatrickHenry, October 4, 2011 at 3:34 am Link to this comment

Israel doesn’t negotiate, it demands.

The sad truth is that Israel has no intention of ever allowing the Palestinians to have their own nation.

Stall and steal land is all it knows.

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By Howard, October 4, 2011 at 3:29 am Link to this comment

Israel wants peace.  pal’s do not.  they have rejected all effots to sit down with Israel-even at this very day.
And anything they now say they want was offered to them over the years out of hand.  Many times.
  They have never missed an opportunity to reject paeace
  and Hamas has sworn to this vert day to eradicate and destroy Israel.  Over and over again..
  How does one negotiate with an outfit like that ?

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By PatrickHenry, October 4, 2011 at 3:06 am Link to this comment

Howard,

Yes they were democratically elected by West bank Palestinians.  You did know they were created by Israel as a counter to Fatah.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

I guess they have to do as good as they can since Israel has had the embargo on them for years.

They have tried to forward peace but Israel doesn’t want it. That is why these talks have dragged on for years and years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jan/12/israel

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By zakimar, October 3, 2011 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment
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The jew wish to control ALL the media, but from this
article and EVERYONE else’s comments, we are wise to
your lies/propaganda.  Save it for Fox “news” and the
USA Zionist jew owned media.

Go to http://www.jewwatch.com to learn how their race controls
and manipulates OUR media.

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By Howard, October 3, 2011 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

Jeez, last time I checked Gaza, Hamas was running the Gaza strip. Yes , the people are being quite poorly treated there by them !

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By PatrickHenry, October 3, 2011 at 4:00 pm Link to this comment

Howard,

If you ask any of the South Africans who suffered under Apartheid and visited Palestinian occupied territory, they will tell you it is worse than what they suffered.

http://rabble.ca/news/2010/03/israel-and-apartheid-fair-comparison

From the article.

Olmert made this statement while addressing a meeting of the Knesset committee that was investigating the lack of integration of Arab citizens in the Israeli public service. Prime Minister Olmert also made the following comment in an interview with Haaretz: If the day comes when the two state solution collapses, and we face a South African style struggle for equal voting rights, then as soon as that happens, the State of Israel is finished.

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By Howard, October 3, 2011 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

Indeed, ‘48 saw land split between Israel and the Pal’s;  but while Israel accepted and has thrived, the Pal’s refused and adjacent arab countries attacked the the country of Israel and swore to push them into the sea.  Not happened yet.  though the intent is still there.  And propounded in their schools, media, mosques.
  And apartheid means a government progam of deprivement. Like in S. Africa.  Does not fit arab people living in Israel.
  Not in the least !
As stated the charge is baseless.

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By zakimar, October 3, 2011 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment
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The jew CONTINUE to steal land from the NATIVE
Palestinians and there are Palestinians that still
hold the DEEDS and KEYS to their homes that were and
are being stolen from them to “settle” wealthy jews
from New York, Russia, Canada, England… There are
no wealthy Palestinians traveling thousands of miles
to live in refugee camps in Lebanon or Jordan, or
CONCENTRATION CAMPS in the ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED West
Bank and the largest open air prison in the world,
Gaza.

But just like APARTHEID in South Africa fell in spite
of European and US support, it will fall in israel
too.  When the USA becomes unwilling or more likely
unable (bankrupt) to help israel, there will finally
be peace and Palestine will rise again.

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By PatrickHenry, October 3, 2011 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

zakimar,

Howard is an Israeli tour guide who is currently out of work and trying to make it as a paid part time hasbarist for BiBi, like so many others.

Israel is only 63 years old and was created at the same time Palestine was created.  Of course as millions of Europeans overwhelmed the region and the natives were displaced and oppressed, it continues today.

Howard, Black South Africans also had doctors, members of government, dentists and like the Palestinians separate facilities and places not open to them.

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By Howard, October 3, 2011 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

Apartheid ??
Thousans of Arabs live in Israel. As members of the Knesset, physicians, dentists, teachers, and police.
  Jews are not allowed in arab countries,.
they were Forced to leave, without their possesions.
  Absolute LIE of apartheid in Israel. Just nonsense.
Calumny of the highest level.

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By zakimar, October 3, 2011 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment
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Howard is another Zionist/racist jew that supports
APARTHEID israel, what a surprise.

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By zakimar, October 3, 2011 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment
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“israel” is built on land and homes stolen from the
Palestinians who were then either murdered or put
into real concentration camps. I don’t expect
Americans who felt that doing the same to their
Native peoples but calling the concentration camps
“reservations” was justified and then building their
country on slavery to have much sympathy for the
Native Palestinians, but I’d expect the jews not to
be so evil to support APARTHEID and concentration
camps after yelling about a “holocaust” for so many
decades. For jews to behave this way toward ANY other
people makes one question if they really believe
there was a holocaust, or just spread that tale to
try and justify the way they treat their Palestinian
victims.

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By Howard, October 3, 2011 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

3 cheers for Israel.  Little tiny country trying to have their own without bothering anyone.  Who wants to make a true peace with any and all who have been attacking Israel for the last 60 years.  And who have yet to make a peace arrangement with Israel.

Let us see.  21 Arab countries.  They want another one?
Israel has been around for over 5000 years.  More power to them in that little Delaware - size country.

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By zakimar, October 2, 2011 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Thanks to Juan Cole and Truthdig for the TRUTH in the
media (for a refreshing change). The lies/bias of the
mainstream/Zionist/racist media is exactly why I and
millions like me have tuned out in favor of the
Internet for our news, not the propaganda of
Zionist/racist supporters of APARTHEID Israel like Fox
“news”, MSNBC, CNN, all the US networks… For all
Obama’s bowing to the Zionist jews of the USA and Israel, I hope he is a one term loser and is asked to
give his ridiculously awarded Nobel Peace Prize back.

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By PatrickHenry, October 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

sharonsj,

Like this.

http://www.reut-institute.org/en/Publication.aspx?PublicationId=669

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By PatrickHenry, October 1, 2011 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

sharonsj,

Produce it or shut up.

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By sharonsj, October 1, 2011 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

The PLO charter calls for the “liquidation of the Zionist entity” as well as the forced removal of all Jews who emigrated or were born after 1917.  In all the Palestinian independence coverage, this stuff is conveniently never mentioned.

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By Salome, October 1, 2011 at 6:52 am Link to this comment
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I can only hope that Iran develops nuclear weapons so they can be a counterweight to a nuclear Israel.

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By Dvmx, September 29, 2011 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

Juan Cole is absolutely correct regarding a veto on Palestinian UN recognition. Not only will a no vote be a humiliation for the USA (as in, ‘who made us do that?’) but it will also be a flex point in history, marking a new reduction of American relevance and influence in this new world. Israel stubbornly hangs on to delusional behavior, and has dragged us into the delusion; but the world has changed alot in the last few years. This is a great opportunity for the US, and if we blow it out of fear of Netanyahu, we’ll look all the weaker.

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By EmileZ, September 29, 2011 at 9:14 am Link to this comment

@ El Penguino

I hear you comrade.

(and I want more…. we need it)

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