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Israeli-British Relations Hurt by Arrest Warrant

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Posted on Dec 15, 2009
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British Foreign Secretary David Milliband and other U.K. diplomats took some serious heat from Israeli officials after an arrest warrant was issued in London earlier this week for Israel’s former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni (at right), accusing her of committing war crimes against Palestinians during last winter’s war in Gaza.  —KA

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By Robert, December 18, 2009 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

By samosamo, December 18 at 12:38 pm #

by Robert, December 17 at 10:01 pm

“At least Meir is trying to bring to the mainstream population
the realities of what is happening in that part of the world,
but I am a little surprised that she was unaware of how
subverted the american mainstream media is and how
infected it is by the 4 owners who are of a ultraconservative
mind.”

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samosamo

Alison Weir received death threats as a result of her discussions on the topic of Palestinian/Arab/Israeli conflict.

Click on link below for the rest of the details:

“This past April Weir met with Okrent
who was preparing a column on the
Times’s coverage of Israel/Palestine.
She gave him a 23-page report, along
with approximately 40 pages of documentation
showing the sharp disparity
in how Israeli and Palestinian deaths are
reported in the “newspaper of record.”
In this issue of The Link Weir tells
what resulted from that meeting. She
also reports on how other leading news
outlets cover the Palestine/Israel conflict.
Alison came to our attention back in
2003. In October of that year, after participating
in a debate at the University of
California at Berkeley, she received a
death threat on her answering machine
warning her and her coworkers not to be
in their office at 2 p.m. the next day.
At 1
p.m. on that day, Weir went to her office,
escorted by Berkeley police who first
had made a sweep of the building and
neighborhood. She was still there, without
police protection, at 2 p.m.”


http://www.ameu.org/uploads/vol38_issue3_2005.pdf

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By samosamo, December 18, 2009 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

by Robert, December 17 at 10:01 pm

At least Meir is trying to bring to the mainstream population
the realities of what is happening in that part of the world,
but I am a little surprised that she was unaware of how
subverted the american mainstream media is and how
infected it is by the 4 owners who are of a ultraconservative
mind.

By Sepharad, December 18 at 5:41 am

I have a high respect for a lot of your comments but to say:

“those of us who see this sick propaganda for what it is have
to continue pouring in what information we can.’‘:

does makes me suspect of ‘what information we can’ like I am
supposed to believe what you say and everybody else is pure
bs propaganda doesn’t wash because of any of the peoples on
this planet, the izraelis have no right to claim to offended ,
hurt and violated and their history proves it.

And for me it comes down to having to say again that I have
friends who are jewish and they are good people, but what
gets muddled is the parts just like the msm here in america is
a subverted system, I just can help but think that the people
running the state of izrael are a problem just as the fools in
washington are also fools but who is fooling who.

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By Robert, December 18, 2009 at 8:35 am Link to this comment

The Impunity of Israel and its Allies Will Carry a Price

Outrage over Tzipi Livni’s arrest warrant would be better directed to the suffering of Gaza and the risks of a new eruption

By Seumas Milne

“December 18, 2009 “The Guardian”—When evidence of war crimes is produced, you might expect states that claim to defend the rule of law to want those crimes investigated and the perpetrators held to account. Not a bit of it. The decision by a London judge to issue a warrant for the arrest of Israel’s former foreign minister Tzipi Livni over evidence of serious breaches of the laws of war in Gaza has sparked official outrage in Britain.

The court’s behaviour was “insufferable”, foreign secretary David Miliband declared. The Times called it “repugnant”. Gordon Brown yesterday assured Livni that action would be taken to ensure no such thing ever happens again.

As it turned out, Livni had cancelled her visit and the warrant was withdrawn. But for the British government, it seems, it isn’t the compendious evidence of war crimes during the Gaza bloodletting – including the killing of civilians waving white flags, the use of human shields and white phosphorus attacks on schools – that is insufferable. It’s the attempt to use the principle of universal jurisdiction Britain claims to uphold to bring to book the politicians who ordered the onslaught.

Of course, it would make more sense if Israel itself held an independent investigation into its soldiers’ conduct in the Gaza war. That was what the UN’s Goldstone report called for, on both sides – failing which, other states should start their own investigations. Instead, Israel is demanding Britain change its laws without delay, and the British government is falling over itself to oblige.”

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Click on link for the rest of article:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24221.htm

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By Sepharad, December 18, 2009 at 1:41 am Link to this comment

sharonsj, too many TDers aren’t interested in facts; it confuses their one-track hate-thought and speech. Even so, those of us who see this sick propaganda for what it is have to continue pouring in what information we can.

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By PatrickHenry, December 17, 2009 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment

Rothschild lives in England and is Israel’s largest benefactor in more ways than one.

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By Robert, December 17, 2009 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment

How American News Media Works In Favor Of Israel

Video

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Click on link to view this great video(s) & see/judge for yourself…regarding the truth:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21744.htm

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By sharonsj, December 17, 2009 at 9:14 am Link to this comment
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So, have the Brits issued warrants for Hamas for seven years worth of rockets shot into Israeli civilian areas?  Have some of you posters screaming about apartheid also protested against the apartheid practices of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the Palestinians—all of whom refuse to allow Jews to own land or become citizens?  Do you plan to criticize Egypt for beginning to build a massive steel wall along its Gaza border because they too don’t want the Gazans?  I didn’t think so.

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By Robert, December 17, 2009 at 9:03 am Link to this comment

Israeli Attacks on International Peace Workers

“There have been a number of cases where Israeli soldiers and settlers have attacked international peace workers”:
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Click on link below to read the details of Israel’s IDF killing trail…Rachel Corrie, Tom Hurndall, Tristan Anderson and more… :


Rachel Corrie: Myths and Facts

“Rachel’s Words - With the long awaited opening of the play “My Name is Rachel Corrie” at the Minetta Lane Theater, we’d like to dispel some common myths that have often crept into media coverage regarding Rachel’s death so we can focus instead on her life. We hope to avert factual errors and unnecessary controversy so the play can speak for itself. Towards that end, and with the cooperation of Rachel’s family, we have prepared this fact sheet along with clearly referenced sources…”

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/corrie-articles.html

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By 8822, December 17, 2009 at 7:24 am Link to this comment
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Let’s hurt Israeli-American relations by issuing arrest warrants for all IDF officers above corporal, all Ministers and higher in the government, banning all cultural/educational/industrial exchanges, withdrawing all foreign aid to Israel (most Americans think foreign aid is for poor countries, they still don’t know the amounts Israel gets), boycotting all things Israeli (no business allowed at all).

Now that’d be a start.

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By Maria, December 17, 2009 at 3:30 am Link to this comment
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Images of baked-alive children of Gaza and the UUS Liberty incident - so much for the Israel’s “high moral ground” and for the US “patriots”
Israeli spies infiltrate freely the republic, and dual-citizens are all in arms to protect the thugs. 
Meanwhile, the apartheid state continues milking the exhausted US taxpayers

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By Sepharad, December 16, 2009 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

Well, the Soup-for-Brains Brits have distinguished themselves yet again by attacking the only Israeli politician who not only urged a complete freeze on settlements but also wanted to negotiate with the Palestinians to share Jerusalem. The Likudists must be really enjoying this one.

Lorenzo, you asked a good question but got the predictable Truthdig answer. But take heart: perhaps someone someday will indict all the imperialist countries for slaving, murder and other crimes on which the Brits and other Euros battened for centuries. Now just to show their politically correct chops they ignore Robert Mugabe who turneed British-ruled Zimbabwe into Starvation Land. (Wonder what they did to make Mugabe such a monster?)

Britain is not all bad. Her only two redeeming features however are powerful: 1) the British Museum and Library, and 2) George Eliot, the great woman writer whose mid-19th-centuryh novel “Daniel Deronda” portrayed the idealistic Zionists going back to Palestine with a rabbi friend of Eliot’s who happened to live in Palestine and had returned to England just to conduct another shipload of Jews homeward. (England was horribly anti-Semitic in Eliot’s day as well as much earlier and consistent through her history. ..)

Hope they all choke in their smoke-filled pubs .. but no such luck. They stagger along. Kind of like

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By Sepharad, December 16, 2009 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

Well, the Soup-for-Brains Brits have distinguished themselves yet again by attacking the only Israeli politician who not only urged a complete freeze on settlements but also wanted to negotiate with the Palestinians to share Jerusalem. The Likudists must be really enjoying this one.

Lorenzo, you asked a good question but got the predictable Truthdig answer. But take heart: perhaps someone someday will indict all the imperialist countries for slaving, murder and other crimes on which the Brits and other Euros battened for centuries. Now just to show their politically correct chops they ignore Robert Mugabe who turneed British-ruled Zimbabwe into Starvation Land. (Wonder what they did to make Mugabe such a monster?)

Britain is not all bad. Her only two redeeming features however are powerful: 1) the British Museum and Library, and 2) George Eliot, the great woman writer whose mid-19th-centuryh novel “Daniel Deronda” portrayed the idealistic Zionists going back to Palestine with a rabbi friend of Eliot’s who happened to live in Palestine and had returned to England just to conduct another shipload of Jews homeward. (England was horribly anti-Semitic in Eliot’s day as well as much earlier and consistent through her history. ..)

Hope they all choke in their smoke-filled pubs .. but no such luck. They stagger along. Kind of like

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By Kanamachi, December 16, 2009 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

It is about time someone stood up and demanded that Israel be accountable for
their actions. Cannot expect Washington DC to hold Israel accountable. My only
question is where are the rest of the government, along with US officials who have
funded Israel all these years.

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By Lou, December 16, 2009 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment
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Lorenzo - no one pretends any of those countries you mention are democracies. Certainly not Russia which closer to a corporation.
When 99% of US politicians pretend Israel is a democracy (which it is in the South African Apartheid style) then you deserve the rest of the world trying to deal honestly with Israel’s relentless war crimes. Israel can have every weapon on the planet, but Iran is not allowed to defend itself against Israel, the USA and apologists like yourselves.

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By samosamo, December 16, 2009 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

Oh boy, am I just all broke up about the arrest warrant for
tizzie lizzie the bitch of izrael and top mid east terrorist.

Quaint how izrael and the u.s. are immune from any kind of
action to hold those in either country accountable for their
war crimes which means for the world to heal and set a course
for a better future, just like the attack of 9/11, until
everything is investigated about this nothing will change and
both countries will continue to force most of the rest of the
world to abide by their rules.

Also, where are the spanish on their investigations and arrests
for any and all that illegally attacked and invaded sovereign
nations?

Kudos for Spain and England(thought I wouldn’t say this
about them) for their having the for withal to do this.

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By Dwinn, December 16, 2009 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment
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Arresting Livni is fine and good.
But what about Blair?
What about Bush, Hillary, Powell, Rumsfeld? Feith? Kissenger?  Cheney?  What about the death squad leader now in charge of the Afghanistan caper, McChrystal?

And what about Obama???

Selective prosecution is a legitimate challenge to the decision to prosecute.  A war criminal is a war criminal.

It feels good to threaten Israeli thugs, but it won’t go anywhere until the rich white boys can take a fall, too.

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By Jack, December 16, 2009 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment
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Must every law now have an Israeli exception? Does the holocaust of their ancestors permanently immunize all Jews from all criminal law? Why is Brown groveling before a thuggish Moldovian bouncer?

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By Tom, December 16, 2009 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment
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No Just Livni!

All ministers in the former government of Israel should be arrested for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Enough is enough. We can’t continue to have an outlaw and genocidal state violating international laws over and over again.

Bring these criminals to justice NOW.

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By Robert, December 16, 2009 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

Compare pictures - facts and truth on the new holocaust


THE GRANDCHILDREN OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS FROM WORLD WAR II ARE DOING TO THE PALESTINIANS EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE TO THEM BY NAZI GERMANY …
BUILDING WALLS & FENCES TO KEEP PEOPLE IN PRISON

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Click on link to view these horrific & incredible pictures. See & judge for yourself:

http://mwcnews.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27972&Itemid=26

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By clintonius, December 16, 2009 at 9:53 am Link to this comment
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By even the most conservative interpretations of the
Geneva Conventions and the Nuremberg Trials, Tzipi
Livni would be convicted of crimes against humanity and
sentenced to death. But the Israelis want continue to
ignore international law in favor of apartheid policies
that will eventually be their downfall….and godspeed!

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By Lorenzo, December 16, 2009 at 7:46 am Link to this comment
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It’s funny, but British courts never seem to charge such bloody tyrants like Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong Il with crimes against humanity nor do they bother with your everyday serial human rights abusers like Putin and Robert Mugabe, only Israelis. Now why do you think that is?

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By Jon, December 16, 2009 at 7:43 am Link to this comment
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I’m thrilled to learn that Milliband has issued a warrant was issued Livni, as it was her direction that caused the horrible crimes against Palestinian women, children, hospitals, and innocents.  And Israel propagandized everything as usual through their spokesmen.  Al Jazeera was on the ground in Palestine, documenting the use of phosphor bombs on children, the use of devastating firepower on hospitals and innocents. 

Yes, Livni should be at the Hague, under indictment, and I applaud the UK’s Milliband for trying to bring this about.

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By thecrow, December 16, 2009 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/memory-holes-in-the-floor/

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By omygodnotagain, December 16, 2009 at 6:16 am Link to this comment

Exactly, how is Britain an ally in Israel’s war with its neighbors. How has Britain in her history screwed over Israel. Were not dozen of Brits killed by Israeli terrorists in the King David Hotel. Despite that the Brits stood by Israel in the Suez crisis. Its not the Brits who are stabbing Israel in the backs, its Israel’s disasterous policy decisions, they are shooting themselves in the foot

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By anaman51, December 16, 2009 at 4:50 am Link to this comment

Why is anyone surprised at this? The Brits have a long, long, long history of stabbing their wartime allies in the back after the war ends, not to mention all the promises they made to gain assistance when they needed it, promises that were promptly forgotten after the cease-fire. The British government has done so many rotten things to the Isrealis over the years I’m astonished Isreal’s government will even talk to them.

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By montanawildhack, December 16, 2009 at 3:33 am Link to this comment

God bless the limies and this is the Second decent thing they’ve done in their bloody history…. The first, of course, was burning down the white house in the War of 1812….. Good show….

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