Get away to where? —The Republicans who destroyed the country with their infiltration of corporate conservative DLC cooperators.  The solution is to get the corporate conservative DLC cooperators out of the Democratic Party. 

Tell me—where are you going to run to? —The Republicans?  There is only two parties, how many choices are there?  Therefore, you must be a Republican.

Get away to where? —The Republicans who destroyed the country with their infiltration of corporate conservative DLC cooperators.  The solution is to get the corporate conservative DLC cooperators out of the Democratic Party. 

Tell me—where are you going to run to? —The Republicans?  There is only two parties, how many choices are there?  Therefore, you, ofersince72, must be a Republican.

Get away to where? —The Republicans who destroyed the country with their infiltration of corporate conservative DLC cooperators.  The only solution is to get the corporate conservative DLC cooperators out of the Democratic Party. 

Tell me—where are you going to run to? —The Republicans?  There is only two parties, how many choices are there?  Therefore, you, ofersince72, must be a Republican.

Martha thats same cry been going on forever
that cry only enables the democrits
en masse? ....

that cry lets dems blame everyone but themselves
that cry is the reason that consvs control the dems
that cry,  that cry, that same cry

your vote will be a vote against something rather
than for something you believe in.
dems use the scare tactic as well as the repubs
show me where the lesser of evil doctrine has proved
effective..  it never has
give um up Martha.,,,they will never care about
your concerns for a democratic society.
get yourself away from that corrupt party that stands
for nothing.

The United States has a Two-Party Institutionalized Political System, what the United States needs is a Parlimentary Political System, similar to England,  so that all factions of the population that choose to be represented, can be represented,  but until the time that the populace gets gutsy enough to demand a Parliamentary Political System institutionalized in United States government,  we, the populace Left, are stuck with the Two-Party Institutionalized Political System that leaves us out, and voting for the corporate elite just will not punish the opposing party when the opposing party is infested with corporate elite.

The only way to get change is for the populace to realize their position in democracy and quit passively abdicating their paramount, key and indispensable populace position to the corporate elite as a supposed punishment of the opposing party, while passively giving up our blood bought democracy, thinking somehow a noninstitutionalized political party or some individual person will save democracy, when it isn’t possible for an outside party or one man to do the job of the populace.

The populace must move en masse and take over the Democratic Party for the populace and not allow the Republicans to take over the Democratic Party through their faux populace Tea Party.

I am for a democratic society no matter what system
of employment is enjoyed…

ofer:
“the two party system is really a one party system
with little difference in between the two factions.
I have always thought , the best way to restructure
the Democrat Party is to not vote for them until
they really do represent some form of liberalism.”

I agree, but of course, I substitute Republican for Democrat and conservatism for liberalism.

Thank you for not blindly embracing communism, but you should defend capitalism. It’s flawed to be sure, but not as badly as any of the rest.

speaking of disingenuous….
since i have seen it quoted so many times by
everyone…

Ike’s warnings about the military industrial complex

After supporting it for eight years in every way
supporting many repressive governments while doing
this..

I believe it was just the old General’s guilty
conscience.

While dissappointed that McGovern lost, I wasn’t
surprised nor did I expect him to win that election.  I did though , from then on, realize
the two party system is really a one party system
with little difference in between the two factions.
I have always thought , the best way to restructure
the Democrat Party is to not vote for them until
they really do represent some form of liberalism.

On capitolism creating wealth.
The U.S. is by far the world’s largest debtor
nation, the citizens rights , health care, wages,
education while enjoying a couple good decades
is in a downward spiral, spinning at this point
out of control in a tail spin bound to crash harder
than what we already are feeling.
You have not seen me on any post defend any one
economic system, especially 20th century communism.
You know very well this country’s economic crisis,
that individuals, local gov, state govs, and fed
govs are all living in debt, so to say that capitolism has created wealth in this country is
either disingenuous, or trying to spark the debate.

ofer:
“Wall Street is the purest form of a Crap Game”

Cute, but Wall St has made more people wealthy than communism has. Wall St is in the business of creating wealth. Communism is in the business of creating poverty. How many millionaires (outside the nomenclatura) were there in Russia prior to 1991? How many are there today? How many cars were sold in China prior to 1990? Today China is the largest car market in the world. Communism? Don’t think so.

ofer:

Let me guess. Your moniker means that you haven’t been happy since George McGovern lost. Am I close?

ofer:
OF COURSE the US has interfered in Cuba’s affairs! Just like the Soviet Union interfered in Cuba’s affairs from 1959 to 1991. Do you think the average Cuban peasant wanted Russian nukes on their soil pointed at the US? Do you think they had a voice in the matter??!!  It was called the Cold War. And freedom won. Get over it.

If you want to pull my leg a little more, I will
play the silly game for awhile..

Wall Street is the purest form of a Crap Game

You haven’t seen me defend communism.

What I see as delusional,  the claim that America
has not interfered with Cuba’s sov., econonmics,
self determination, and a bunch of other bad stuff

MarthaA, ofer:

Israel is not communist. Yes they have kibbutzim, communes, if you will, but please. They have a parliamentary socialist democracy. They have a stock market. They have private property.

“It could well be argued that the WALL STREET family is a form of communism unto itself.” Well, I suppose it could, but only by delusionals. Wall Street is the purest form of capitalism. No argument.

“Cuba is doing more to actually help Haiti than the United States.  Go figure.” ARE YOU SERIOUS??? How many hospital beds has Cuba delivered? How much food has Cuba delivered? The US sent 1000 hospital beds on ONE ship. Cuba sent doctors. What did the Cubans bring with them? A change of underwear? How much medicine did they send? All they have is doctors. No medicine, no medical supplies.

“...Michail Gorbachev…said Russia was never able to accomplish what Israel accomplished.”  PRECISELY.

Your adherence to that failed, stale ideology is pathetic. Give it up. Lose your chains.

Communism for the wealthy is what we have in the United States. 

Communism for the populace has been and may still be being practiced in Israel; and, per Michail Gorbachev, it worked quite well.  He said Russia was never able to accomplish what Israel accomplished.

It could well be argued that the WALL STREET
family is a form of communism unto itself.

I am not trying to defend communism or any other
economic system….

Just pointing out….
I know of no free market system nor
of a communist system that has been practiced

Communism works in Israel and Cuba isn’t a failed state or they wouldn’t be so beneficial to the people of Haiti with their doctor teams.

WE are the World’s largest debtor nation…
what wealth are you speaking of???

You make my point very well….

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Do you believe that the U.S. should turn over
those accussed of blowing up the airplane that
was carrying their world renowned sports team?

ofer:

OK. They have great music. And, I’ll add, great food.

But look. Communism is a failed ideology. No amount of how “it hasn’t been tried” will change that fact.

Capitalism is, by any measure, far superior to communism at creating wealth, material and spiritual well-being and individual freedom. It’s not about imperialism or hegemony or big militaries.

If you care to bring the history of the COLD WAR
into this discussion, there isn’t enough room on the
blog. But is appropiate in connection with the
Kennedys.
One just has to read a little of HENRY WALLACE’S
warnings before the end of WWII to understand how
contrived the cold war was.

Another should be noted about John Kennedy,
Worried about his politcal career while a Senator
he used his back ailment as an excuse for not voting
on the censorship of McCarthy..
His father Joe, was good friends with JOE McCarthy.

Rfidler…
I burnt all my referene rags up about a decade ago,
maybe more, telling myself I was going to divorce
myself from reading or even thinking a political
thought that it was useless at this point.

However I do remember a bill being passed into law
during the Clinton admin. making it illegal to
trade with Canada or any European country that did
business with Cuba.  Canada repented and so did
many European nations for their transgressions.

To deny that the World’s largest Super Power wasn’t
responsible for the poverty down in that little
island nation rich with resourses , culture, good
people,,,,,AND GREAT MUSIC…is….many words.

ofer:
“Many people consider America a SEWER AND SHIT HOLE”

Oh how true, how sadly true.

The military blockade was in response to Russian nukes. There never was an economic blockade- ask any Canadian or European tourist, or the Russians up to 1991 for that matter.

Cuba is a failure on its own dime. The US is nearly alone in the world in its economic “embargo”. Two hundred other countries on the planet could not prevent Castro from running the place into the ground.

Many people consider America a SEWER AND SHIT HOLE

It went from a pysical Naval blockade, to an
economic blockade.
When you have the worlds by far largest military
just ninty miles away daring you to be independent
you are not going to be successful.

It didn’t start out as a communist revolution,
leaders of the revolt made many overtures to
America to help them rid themselves of their
repressive government

We didn’t allow them to have their revolution,
you know this very well!!!!
Just as every other shackle and chain that
caused by U.S. imperial hegmony in central america.

ofer:

No. Castro’s failed revolution and communism are why nothing is available in Cuba.

Michael Moore goes to Cuba, watch the documentary here:  http://www.debatepolitics.com/health-care/55973-free-documentary-sicko.html

Watching the documentary destroys the propaganda and sophistry that Cuba doesn’t have medicine, that Cuban doctors aren’t clean and that there aren’t any rooms in their hospitals.  Cuba is doing more to actually help Haiti than the United States.  Go figure.

The American Corpocrits have never wanted an example
exposed of thow socialism can work and survive,
That is why president and president has starved
and embargoed that little island nation.
We are Bullies, our leaders are bullies, and our
populous not near as educated as the Cubans.

Truth Dig posters don’t need to be reminded of this.
Some one Posted CUBA IS A SHIT HOLE
It wasn’t considered a shit hole when it was a
vacation and gambling place for the rich, funneling
all resources from their banks to ours.
Only difference now,  we don’t even allow them to
put money in their banks.
and Please add Haiti as part of THE PALISTINE OF THE
AMERICAS

Wow,  what a condesending description of Cuba…
American hegmony is why nothing is available
in Cuba isn’t it?
Kinda like the Palistine of the Americas

MarthaA:

If you are sick in Cuba, you can go to a doctor and he won’t charge you anything. Big deal. He won’t have any medicine, clean instruments, or a room in hospital if you need it either.

I can almost guarantee you that an illegal immigrant in the US gets better, FREE, emergency room care than any run-of-the-mill sugar cane field worker in Cuba gets.

There’s a huge difference between FREE and AVAILABLE.

Cuba is a shit hole and should NEVER be used as an example of “good” anything, especially when compared to the US.

The only purpose the Kennedys served was to give
the Democrat Party “looky here” to. I never have
even understood that because of all the things
Commune 115 stated.

Never watched the history channel and don’t care
what propagande they display

Nobody’s to the left of YOU are they MarthaA?

All media? Please.

Little Cuba has survived the brutal war and even has FREE medical health care for all the populace of Cuba and even helps other countries with medical care.  The United States has not accomplished such a great feat.  How on earth did Cuba survive the awful U.S.  brutality?  Could it be the Cuban Government cares about the populace of their country, while the United States only cares about corporations?

Liberals glorify the Kennedys way too much. Forget the sex, JFK and RFK waged a brutal terrorist war against Cuba, provoked the Missile Crisis, started the secret bombings which began the Vietnam War, laid the groundwork for a fascist military coup in Brazil, supported the brutal Duvalier dictatorship in Haiti and initiated the counterinsurgency doctrine in Latin America now being applied in the Middle East. Seriously people, the Kennedys have done enough to screw their own image, they don’t need right-wingers on the History Channel.

The damn thing should be called the Anti History Channel.

All media is overwhelming neocon propaganda.  It does appear the Right is doing their best to make the Kennedy’s appear worse that others, but they are angels compared to Right-Wing conservative Republican EXTREMISTS.

The History Channel became NeoCON propaganda years ago! The Kennedy’s are an easy target, since all the notables are dead. They were no angels, but, they learned from their mistakes and then Jack and Bobby were offed because of it!

I haven’t watched one of their tilted programs in years - FU*K ‘EM!