I don’t think you can carve this up as a conservative vs. liberal. I tend to believe there are money conscience liberals out there just as there are socially conscience conservatives. We are not that far apart.

The political class absent in this interview is the so called ‘elite’. Neither conservative or liberal but very rich. Not all rich people fall into this category but those that do wield the power of money like a weapon. They run the news, choose the politicians and frame the debate.

Both Joel and Ian fall for the straw-man. Willing to view their neighbor as an enemy instead of the true culprits. In this regard, we see how powerful the elites are.

Rogers interview

the interviewer demonstrates his total lack of understanding of MYTH, e.g.

“inability to frame things” “truth is a moving target” “mythical liberal power base”
as a “canard”

and then—like 99% of all other self-proclaimed “progressives”—wonders why
the right wing so easily suckers the public