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Hitchens on Vatican Sex Scandals: ‘Enough of Forgiveness ... We Need Justice’

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Posted on Mar 30, 2010
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It’s no secret that Christopher Hitchens isn’t big on religion, but above and beyond his disdain of deity worship, he’s got some serious issues with the Catholic Church’s handling of both the child abuse claims made against clergy members for decades and its treatment of the alleged sex offenders and those who protected them. A deadly serious Hitchens appeared on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Tuesday, taking no prisoners in his assessment of who should be held responsible at the Vatican.  —KA

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By garth, April 1, 2010 at 9:59 am Link to this comment

To Christopher Hitchens,

When you appeared in C-Span about five years ago on a forum about childrens’s poetry, your selestions were by far the best.  I concluded that you can not only write supernaturally, but your taste in poetry and the written word with its entanglement of ideas is superlative.

I would have fallen victim to these pederasts had it not been for a strong father figure in my life.  I was invited to become a brother in the LaSallette part of of the church in the early 60s. When I showed up with my father, an ex-boxer, no one came to meet me.  I felt dejected driving home.

But as later years revealed and other chance encounters with those who were not so lucky, the Brothers turned out to be a Brotherhood of Predators.

It is time for Justice.

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By photoshock, April 1, 2010 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

Mr. Hitchens has it completely right in this, as does Sinead O’Connor. There has been no justice done for the millions of boys and girls who have been raped.
That spokesperson for the Catholics in the United States has it completely wrong when he says that the overwhelming majority of those molested are “post-pubescent,” as he states it. The majority of the boys and girls molested were and are continue to be pre-pubescent and the reason is that the priests are stuck in a sexuality that is overwhelmingly under the age of reason.
Why, oh why, does the Church protect these abominations? Because it’s hard enough to get men to give up a life, filled with the pleasure of true sexuality for the celibate lifestyle.
In the beginnings of the church, there were married and women priests, the reason for the celibacy rule, in the Western Rite Churches is the fact that the wives of the married priests would inherit the lands and money of the priest when he died. The ‘Church’ finding that they were losing money and land, which then equated to power and prestige, forced the celibacy rule on those who had a calling to serve the
people and who submitted themselves to the Catholic Church.
Certainly among the apostles and followers of Jeshua,
“Jesus” there were married men, for in the Jewish Tradition marriage was a given. Now the Catholic Church is reaping the whirlwind that they themselves have sown by forcing an ung-dly rule on men who wish only to serve.
The Church has become a haven for the pederasts and peadophiles of the world. This is coming to light all
over the world and the Church should have to open their coffers and their hearts to those who have been
hurt by the institutionalized protection, not of the children but the pederasts and peadophiles.
These men should not only be removed from the ministry but be in prison for the rest of their natural lives or set on an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, where they can practice their form of Catholicism to their hearts content. They must be separated from the world at large and the children must be protected at all costs.
Whether the Catholic Church survives this abominable conspiracy is a question for the ages, for as of right now, the men who are running the show, are hurting themselves as well as the flock by remaining in power.

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By Misfiteye, March 31, 2010 at 11:04 pm Link to this comment

What about God?

He must have known what was going on.  He had to see what his faithful servants were doing in his house.  He certainly could have done something to stop it.

Yet he did nothing.  Is he complicit or negligent?

Or just not there.

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By richard roe, March 31, 2010 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment
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Popebashing? 

Tell that to the literally thousands of children sexually abused by over 700 priests in the United States alone.  Yep, that’s SEVEN HUNDRED priest/molesters. That’s enough people to fill a high school gym wall to wall!

People aren’t “bashing the pope”, they’re bashing the entire, perverse, sickeningly dysfunctional organization known as the Catholic Church, the same organization that prides itself on being “morally superior” to everyone else but in reality is rotten to the core.

All I’ve gotta say is their vow of chastity is turning out to be as corrupt as their vow of poverty.

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By melpol, March 31, 2010 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

Only frigid or elderly women should be allowed to have contact with church choir boys. Its enforcement would eliminate temptations of the priesthood. Never allowing the fox near the chickens has solved the problem for farmers. The same protection should be given the choir boys.

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By tomack, March 31, 2010 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

Re: 1. Fever9-11 & 2. Alphysicist stage two

1. One of the things that bother me most in the world of “BLOG” is the penchant for mis-direction and hit n run drive bys.

To fever 9-11 (and from which temperature do you rage?): whether or not Hitchens railed against Mother Theresa is irrelevant , by the way, prove the source AND your argument as to how it relates here. It’s easy to say she was attacked in Vanity Fair, harder yet to show it and explain its relevance. 

Stage two Al Physical: it aint about THE pope, this one, the last one, or the next one, it’s about taking responsibility. It’s about reacting properly when it happens, not explaining why you didn’t 20 years later. It’s about admitting you’re human—not about being above humanity.

If the church had come down hard on the pervs when it happened, they would be much better off now—and so would the other subsequent victims…maybe. 

But, like money & politics, and the money men and politicians who rule it, they think WE come second.

Well, we don’t.

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By Fever911, March 31, 2010 at 10:26 am Link to this comment
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I remember a few years ago when he did a hit piece on Mother Theresa. In Vanity Fair, of course.

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By Alphysicist, March 31, 2010 at 7:09 am Link to this comment

...actually Pope the usual Pope bashing is all over this website.  I wouldn’t be surprised if one of these days Scott Ritter would write something along these lines (as much as I agree with most of what he writes).

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By Alphysicist, March 31, 2010 at 6:20 am Link to this comment

Response to tomack:

Hitchens’ conclusions are based on entirely unproven claims regarding the Pope. This is precisely the factor that makes it obvious that he is after the Pope at any cost, and he has no concern for actual paedophilic priests or their victims.  Knowing Hitchens’ Trotskyist Neo-Con fanaticism, one cannot neglect alterior motives.

I agree that priests who are padophiles and have committed crimes should go to prison, but only if PROOF is provided.  Unfortunately in this case, given that the political elite (be it neo-cons or neo-libs, same thing) have an axe to grind against the Church, it is even harder to see what is proven and what is not. In some cases the accusations are true.  In others they are not.  It is after all (precisely because of how the Church stands in the eyes of the Western political elites, neo-cons, neo-libs, etc.) very easy to go to a lawyer, claim victimhood, and then collect the money.  What is the ratio of true accusations to false accusations?  I do not know…but in judging I think one cannot neglect a number of (geo-)political factors.

My argument regarding McDonald’s was not that it is okay if their cashiers do it.  But that if that happens the press will not attack the company McDonald’s only the particular cashier.

I also agree with what you say about priests having more responsibility in this regard, and in that sense their crimes are all the more heinous.

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By tomack, March 31, 2010 at 6:10 am Link to this comment

Oh, and by the way, Big B is right: no justice, no donation—pass the collection plate to the nearest child raper.

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By tomack, March 31, 2010 at 5:55 am Link to this comment

Response to Alphysicist:

You’re kidding right? While you don’t come out and say it, you come close: it’s okay because McDonald’s cashiers do it? A big media campaign orchestrated by the neo-cons? Wow, WTF have you been smokin, and please pass it around.

Let me remind you, as weak—in my opinion—as the ped punishments are, McDonalds cashiers, teachers, truck drivers, whoever, GO TO JAIL after STANDING TRIAL at a PUBLIC COURT for commiting these crimes. These pervs are simply getting away with it.

Add to that the FACT that a priest is a community leader and a symbol of justice and tolerence for many (not me) and the crime becomes even more heinous. These men are representing GOD while raping children, so even if it is a “neo-con campaign” (and where’s the proof of that) I’m glad someone is campaigning. 

Yes, the Pope is against war—so am I—good for him. But this cannot be mixed with child rape by priests—or anybody for that matter.

Yours was a disgusting reaction to Hitchen’s words. Whether you like him or not, he’s right; someone has to pay the piper on this deal.

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By Alphysicist, March 31, 2010 at 4:19 am Link to this comment

This is nothing more than a media campaign: sure there are paedophiles among priests, as there are among teachers, or among McDonald’s cashiers, etc.

The media campaign was caused by the fact that Benedict has had a track record of speaking truth to power: he called for a two-state solution as a solution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, he has condemned every senseless war of our Trotskyist neo-con overlords (Hitchens is of course associated with that side), and is strongly against the coming attack on Iran.  Benedict’s efforts to reestablish the Church as a cultural and intellectual influence also does not sit well with the closet Marxist (PC internationalist) academic monopoly in the Western World.  His attempts to beatify Pius XII have also angered the Zionist lobby.  No surprise that the powerful elites are calling for his head!

Funny how Hitchens is so militant about “democratizing” the Middle East by force, and he is not aware of “innocent until proven guilty”.

Interestingly here is what historical evidence suggests: all decaying dictatorships have attacked the Catholic Church in particular when already in agony.  (Usually their attacks were also riddled with contradictions of the type I alluded to in Hitchens’ tirade above.) This is true for the nazis and also the communists.  I guess it’s now the neo-cons turn.

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By Big B, March 30, 2010 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

I guess that next time there is a pederast party we should invite Mundt, so he, like the catholic church, could enjoy the wonders of penetrating a six year old.

Any person that goes to a catholic church this weekend and puts money in the collection plate is aiding and abetting child molestation, and should be treated as such.

What kind of sick fuck are you Mundt?

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By Bill, March 30, 2010 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment
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When your children are little, you tell them that there are no monsters.

But you know it’s a lie.

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By Mundt, March 30, 2010 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

“Justice” means the nearest supermax for Hitchens, complete with silent system and mean guards.

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By Tom C, March 30, 2010 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment
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I love Hitch, but this clip is almost unwatchable.  Why in the world does Morning Joe (“Brewed by Starbucks!”) start playing music under the guests?  Is an extra minute or two of somebody talking really going to create such havoc with the morning time table?  Just awful.

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By reubendevries, March 30, 2010 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

while i don’t agree with Hitchen’s on many issues, I do thing he is right on the mark with this one, not to say that forgiveness isn’t necessary, but Justice must prevail. We need to see this child abusers for what the are sheep in wolves clothing who have tarnished an image that will be hard to repair.

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