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One Dove, One Hawk: The Night the Feathers FlewPosted on Mar 31, 2012
“What you have witnessed,” recently elected British MP George Galloway said back in 2005, speaking of Christopher Hitchens’ support for the U.S.-Iraq War, “... is something unique in natural history: the first ever metamorphosis from a butterfly back into a slug.” Galloway debated Hitchens at Baruch College in New York City with Amy Goodman of “Democracy Now!” moderating. Americans interested in learning what sort of character the citizens of Bradford West voted into the House of Commons in Friday’s by-election should watch Galloway defend the international anti-war movement against one of the most formidable rhetorical pugilists of our time. —ARK Ous114: >
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By moonraven, April 4, 2012 at 11:20 am Link to this comment
jimmy: Are you really as thick as you come across here?
Lighten up, you are nothing special on the planet—just another militant white guy with no sense of humor nor geopolitics.
Report thisBy John Dean, April 4, 2012 at 8:47 am Link to this comment
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One aspect of Hitchen’s world view that is rarely mentioned is his misunderstanding of the right’s agenda in Amerika. While he was focusing on the clearly brutal Hussein he missed the obvious and continued fascistization that accelerated under the guise of the GWOT. He either rejected the progressive concern with the internal militarization of domestic US security and the consumption of social progress by the corporate state or was completely unaware of this misdirection posed to Amerikan society. All in all he was more of an idea man than a true analyzer of practical security for the mass of the public whose threat comes clearly more from within than from without.
Report thisBy ian m, April 3, 2012 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment
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It was a startling metamorphosis but then again, Hitch was quite an ugly butterfly.
Report thisBy David J. Cyr, April 3, 2012 at 10:14 am Link to this comment
Since the Truthdig “progressives” chose to provide a video presenting the slug’s position in (1 of 12), here is the (3 of 12) portion of Galloway’s response:
George Galloway vs Christopher Hitchens (3 of 12):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-sWOEJyCfY
Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:
http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1
Report thisBy John Poole, April 2, 2012 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment
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To PatrickHenry: We probably have different definitions for Deist and Theist but
Report thismaybe we can agree that someone who defines themselves with a negative (what
they DON’T believe to be the situation- Atheist) is a fool. What’s with the need to
put a label to one’s philosophical outlook? I’m a clueless hetero earthling and
even that definition is quite provincial and lame.
By John Poole, April 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment
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Needing to define oneself in one camp or the other implies a closed mind. A self
Report thisdefined atheist is defining himself in the negative. Maybe there is confusion about
Deism and Theism on this site.
By Tobysgirl, April 2, 2012 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment
jimmmmmmy, who can’t seem to get his finger off the m key, don’t get into it with moonraven because she’s about a hundred times smarter than you are.
I really wish that posters would learn to use punctuation and other minor inventions that make English much easier to read. I want to read everyone’s comments, but turn off quickly when the post appears to be nothing but a collection of various words picked out of the dictionary at random.
Report thisBy jimmmmmy, April 2, 2012 at 9:44 am Link to this comment
Moonraven a hobby horse was a wooden toy when I was a child. Maybe the term has aquired a new definition?I remember small kids rocking madly back and forth on them,thus the allusion to peoples pet peeves.
Report thisBy moonraven, April 2, 2012 at 9:22 am Link to this comment
Jimmy:
You don’t even read your own posts, I see—pure boiler plates?
Hobby horse, I believe, was a term you used.
Report thisBy EmileZ, April 2, 2012 at 4:42 am Link to this comment
Galloway CREAMED The Hitch!!!
Report thisBy Jon, April 1, 2012 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment
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I just discovered this debate earlier today and enjoyed taking it in. I don’t know
Report thisanything about Mr. Galloway, but it seems to me that he never once even tried to
answer or counter the charges leveled against him by Mr. Hitchens regarding his
association with and support for despots who have of late been so much in the
news. I say this as someone who nevertheless comes down on Mr. Galloway’s side
in this particular debate, and who laments the descent into fanaticism and binary
absolutism that characterized the last phase of Mr. Hitchens’ otherwise brilliant
and inspiring career. That even he could be sucked in by the poison of neocon
thuggery - that he could not see through the smokescreen of WMD and the
spreading of freedom - ought to remind us that even the best and brightest of us
higher mammals can be blinded by our own arrogance and self-righteousness.
By RickinSF, April 1, 2012 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment
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Hitchens gave aid and comfort to the enemy.
Fuck him.
Report thisBy Face, April 1, 2012 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment
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Regarding Hitchens….
How can someone so Eloquent . . Be So Wrong ?
Regarding Galloway..
The Greatest Orator in Britian Today.
Sharpe. Intuitive. and has been shown
to be Correct About Most Issues he has fought for..
While all 3 parties in the Uk are beholden to
Plutocrats and Oligarchs ...
Gorgeous George cannot be Bought
Report thisBy Robespierre115, April 1, 2012 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment
@Heather and there YOU go again with your simpleton finger wagging lacking any depth or substance. Please return when you have learned how to take some ideas and actually form a coherent collection of sentences which might just contribute to a wider discussion.
Report thisBy PatrickHenry, April 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment
John Poole,
The difference I see between Deists and Atheists is that Deists do believe in the big spirit as a non-demoninational higher entity, Athiests are absolutists and believe what they see or have learned.
Boring for some, life encompassing for others.
Report thisBy jimmmmmy, April 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment
Brian its on you-tube its worth seeing if you love debate. These guys were really old school.
Report thisBy jimmmmmy, April 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment
John Poole. Like vector 56 your ego seems to have surpassed your intellect. If you don’t understand the differences between Deists and Atheists why are you commenting. Maybe time to do a little reading? Or is it too boring?
Report thisBy jimmmmmy, April 1, 2012 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment
moonraven. I’m a city boy I don’t get the horsey stuff . Whats your point.
Report thisBy Michael Cavlan RN, April 1, 2012 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment
http://my.firedoglake.com/jest/2012/04/01/video-rocky-anderson-forcefully-dismantles-the-logic-of-2-party-system-apologists/
While other “liberal and progressive” blogs prattle on about nothing. Here, from firedoglake an article and a candidate that they do not want you to know about.
Can ya dig it? As in TruthDig it?
Report thisBy moonraven, April 1, 2012 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment
jimmy: What’s the burr under YOUR saddle?
Report thisBy litlpeep, April 1, 2012 at 10:28 am Link to this comment
Was this posting an intentional selling of something that is free at utube?
Capitalism’s politics has strange bedfellows.
Report thisBy Heather, April 1, 2012 at 9:51 am Link to this comment
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There you go again Robespierre!
Report thisYour writing is not living up to your rather grand ‘handle’.
By jimmmmmy, April 1, 2012 at 9:17 am Link to this comment
I watch Galloway weekly on his streamed public affairs show. Maybe he could invite Olbermann on now that he’s unemployed That to me has great entertainment as well as informative possibilties. Both have “axes to grind” and “hobby horses to ride”
Report thisBy jimmmmmy, April 1, 2012 at 9:05 am Link to this comment
Galloway in ascendence and Hitch dead the worlds out of balance. Lafayette I suggest you watch Neil Olivers History of Scotland. Scots did not speak Gaelic, the Gaels did. The use of this language today is a tourist hustle or affectation of some aristocrats. HIstory has not yet proven Galloway correct . The Bush Doctrine is still spinning out in the Middle East under Obama more capable control. Which I find to be one of those enjoyable ironies. Ayn Rand And Chris Hitchens , Maybe sexually certainly not politically. Galloway require a nemisis to be effective some passionate gifted orator? Is there anybody out there? Maybe Slick Willy Clinton , how about the other corporate hero Obama ? Might be a good debate.
Report thisBy vector56, April 1, 2012 at 7:00 am Link to this comment
I too have a great respect for Galloway who seems to understand that killing other people and taking their “stuff” (in this case oil) is not civilized behavior.
Christopher Hitchens and those Ayn Rand groupies over at “Reason” magazine are giving my people (Atheist) a bad name.
Report thisBy John Poole, April 1, 2012 at 5:07 am Link to this comment
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I ignore people who are determined to establish their manhood and existential
Report thisbravery by saying daddy in the sky never existed or by now is dead. Atheists are
really no different from Deists - both types are boring.
By Tony Vodvarka, April 1, 2012 at 3:45 am Link to this comment
Galloway has been a hero of mine ever since he
Report thistestified before a Congressional committee to defend
his reputation a few years ago and left Norm Coleman
“stunned and confused like a duck struck on the head”.
By Lafayette, April 1, 2012 at 1:52 am Link to this comment
From WikiP:
Wow, it is difficult to get more Left than Left in Europe. He’s got Leftist genes ... though its a shame he was not born in the Gorbals of Glasgow. That would make for the ultimate in Leftist credentials.
The Scots are funny people with a great, good grasp of a foreign language called English. (Real Scots speak the Celtic language.)
But, he’s a humorous guy with a wicked command of HMtQ’s English. Besides, his heart is in he right place. Or is that “Left place”.
Report thisBy Robespierre115, April 1, 2012 at 1:08 am Link to this comment
History has proven Galloway correct while Hitchens has been reduced to a pathetic gasbag who backed imperialist wars and neocon violence. His fans cling to the fact that he poked fun at Jesus and Muhammed (how groundbreaking) to justify their adoration for the blowhard.
Report thisBy Brian Routh, April 1, 2012 at 12:10 am Link to this comment
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you chose the Htchens speech by mistake…..there is no Galloway in the above
Report thisvideo.