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Posted on Dec 23, 2011

Faith leaders, artists and activists come together to seize new territory for the Occupy movement.

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By OzarkMichael, December 27, 2011 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

socalcde I will answer your post line by line,

It is very interesting to me that you describe the OWS movement as “rich kids” when most anti-OWS, pro- corporatist lemmings describe them as “dirty lazy hippies”.

The OWS kiddies could be called by both names. The are rich kids who live like dirty lazy hippies.

It reminds me of all the Obama haters that like to call him a socialist and a fascist in the same sentence, as if anyone could even be both of those.

I dont suppose the name “Nazi” (“National Socialist”) ever came up in your education? There is an example of socialist and fascist at the same time.

Like those Obama haters, what you are really stating in your post is that you are totally uninformed of the reality of the situation.

No hate here. Just the unvarnished truth. And it is you who dont know what “Nazi” is shorthand for, so maybe you are the one who needs to be better informed.

Maybe you should check out one of their locations first hand before you make your judgement.

You dont need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

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By socalcde, December 27, 2011 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

In reply to fredlunau:

It is very interesting to me that you describe the OWS movement as “rich kids” when most anti-OWS, pro- corporatist lemmings describe them as “dirty lazy hippies”. It reminds me of all the Obama haters that like to call him a socialist and a fascist in the same sentence, as if anyone could even be both of those. Like those Obama haters, what you are really stating in your post is that you are totally uninformed of the reality of the situation. Maybe you should check out one of their locations first hand before you make your judgement.

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By fredlunau, December 25, 2011 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment
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Bravo, stan - very well put.

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By OzarkMichael, December 25, 2011 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

Four words made very clear: Leftists Over Everyone Else!

An invitation to religious institutions to collapse and increase their subservience instead of acting in ways that are essentially independent and above politics.

Everybody everywhere! You must give these OWS rich kids anything they demand of you. They are pure, they are peaceful, but most of all they are better than the rest of us. If you dont give them what they want they will get in your face.

Even if you have already provided help to OWS in a neighborly way, time will come when that wont be enough. Look what happened to Trinity Church, did you read all the bad press the OWS heaped on Trinity? The Occupiers spit on everything Trinity did for them in a Leftist shakedown. When Trinity didnt cave, the Occupiers tried to take their property by force! There is no other way to describe these events.

Occupy is in your neighborhood? A shakedown is in your future. So dont voice your own opinion, just give in. Give them 100% of what they demand, because thats what OWS democracy looks like.

Or maybe it would be better if we weaned OWS off this ‘everything is free for us’ and ‘everyone must do what we say’ binge these kiddies are on. Maybe they should start paying for rental of the spaces they Occupy, or they should obtain permits, or at least they should pay for the damage they cause.

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By gerard, December 23, 2011 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment

Three words made very clear:  People Over Property!

An invitation to religious institutions to maintain and increase their relevance instead of acting in ways that are essentially self-destructive.

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By Outraged, December 23, 2011 at 4:53 am Link to this comment

Incredible.

And yes, I did see Mr. Packard “jump the fence” so to
speak, in another video. He’s no spring chicken, I
give him, as well as all the others, all the credit
in the world. How inspiring it is. Good people are
good people, this is what we need to remember. We
will have differences to be sure but the MOST
IMPORTANT issue is that we stick together and stay
strong regarding the important things.

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By chris massey lynch, December 23, 2011 at 4:02 am Link to this comment
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Really good to see Dean and Britta playing and supporting THE OWS. right on and Happy Xmas to all there…...from somewhere in England

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By stan chaz, December 23, 2011 at 2:03 am Link to this comment
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Ever see an American ...who’s HAD ENOUGH…. and decides that the time
has come to choose….to risk…and to act upon his values and his
conscience? You don’t even need to be religious to understand -and
embrace- the idea that “Whatsoever you did for one of the least of these
brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.” But many of the 1%, in
blind greed and endless schemes, have forgotten this. They have closed
their eyes to what the word “society” should really mean, what it can
mean. But due to Occupy Wall Street, we are finally talking less about
CUTS and more about BLEEDING. Instead of demanding m-o-r-e budget
cuts -to be borne by the middle class and poor- we are FINALLY focusing
on the shameful bleeding that the poor and middle class has endured,
for all too long. Instead of talking about even m-o-r-e cuts in the taxes
of millionaires….we are now talking about fairness and justice - about an
economy and a political system that is increasingly run for the rich, and
by the rich. Instead of talking about LESS government, we are talking
about a government that WORKS FOR ALL OF US, not just a favored few.
Thank you OWS, for reminding us that people -ordinary working people-
really DO matter, and for helping open our eyes to what’s going on in
this country, and why. The attempt by OWS to occupy Duarte Square (the
empty lot owned by Trinity Church) is much more than a plea for
sanctuary. For like Zuccotti Park, it’s an attempt to carve out a protected
space, a living conscience for the city, amid the repression. A refuge…in
a city where control-freaks would sweep us under the rug, and out of the
way. In a city where they would pen us in, and permit us to death. In a
city that tells us to “move on, move on”..... you don’t belong, you don’t
count, you don’t have a right to be here…don’t assemble, don’t block the
street, don’t trespass, don’t EXIST! They would deny us, deny our lives,
deny our very futures. IF WE LET THEM. But OWS responds, both in word
and in DEED: it says we’ve had ENOUGH - we BELONG, we STAND our
ground, and we DO matter! This IS our land, and we want it BACK! The
word OCCUPY…says it all! That’s why OWS has captured our imagination.
That’s why a living breathing OCCUPIED public space is important for
OWS. Like Lady Liberty’s never extinguished torch that burns in our
harbor, OWS needs to have a concrete, persistent in-your-face presence..
to continually remind us of what we’ve lost, of what we are, and what we
can be ...to affirm, illuminate, defy…and inspire. Trinity Church, with its
oft-proclaimed ideals (and its huge land holdings), should look deep into
its collective soul, do the right thing, and help OWS secure a sanctuary, a
space of refuge and hope. And dare I say: a space of love - both love of
country, and love of your fellow man and woman. Can thoughtful
Christians argue with these simple Christian/human values? For if Christ
were physically with us today, as He was 2000 years ago, He would be
among the FIRST to climb those fences, and occupy Trinity’s Duarte
Square. Of this I am certain… 

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