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Dennis Kucinich on Afghanistan: ‘Get Out, Get Out, Get Out’

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Posted on May 4, 2012
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President Obama during a 2010 visit to Afghanistan.

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By Mona, May 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm Link to this comment

heterocromatic,

Are you a parent?  And if so, in what state?  If not, could you share some information about old you are and what industry you are employed in?  While, of course, preserving your internet anononymity.

Because, in modern times, school administrators obsequiously serve the status quo.  They don’t have any answers about the poor economic prospects for their students, except to soulessly and without conscience recommend they become more cannon fodder for the military industrial complex.  That’s a big part of their job.

Indeed, the military is better received in Washington State high schools than collegs. At a time in history and scientific development when American schools should be sending every student fully funded to college. 

When I was in high school during the Vietnam War, it was illegal to have military recruiters in a high school.

Can you figure out why?

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By Mona, May 9, 2012 at 8:36 pm Link to this comment

Americanme,

Great point about Washington State being pro-war and Boeing!

As they talk about pouring tens of billions a year into Afghan military engagement, the House is actually about to vote on whether to cut 36 billion to nutrition assistance to the United States .. that country.

http://www2.americanprogress.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=210

We are becoming more and more like an incidental foreign aid project to our own government.

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By americanme, May 8, 2012 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

No rebuttal I see.

Every day your IQ drops another 10 digits.

You are approaching Absolute Zero, Scientific Wonderboy.

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By heterochromatic, May 8, 2012 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

sure you warm pile of slurry, and the US invented England, France, the Ottoman
Empire, Iran, Islam, Christianity and Judaism as well

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By americanme, May 8, 2012 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

The really BIG Lie that the no-neck troll posted

had nothing to do with peaceful resolution of conflicts

(something anyone with an IQ in double digits knows the US is absolutely AGAINST because it’s bad for the arms business).

It was his comment that the US did not invent the politicals systems and dictators in the Middle East.  LIELIELIELIELIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The US, in cahoots with its fifth leg, the UK,
did exactly that in Saudi,
Bahrain,
Jordan,
the Emirates,
Kuwait,
Qatar,
Iraq,
Oman
and ISRAEL!

It’s currently working on Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia and Yemen—as it lost its guys in Egypt and Tunisia.  What France is up to in Morocco and Algeria may or may not have a sea change.

Goebbels always said The bigger the lie, the more likely people are to believe it.

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By heterochromatic, May 8, 2012 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

Korky—- just stop assigning your foolish presumptions about my assumptions.


It’s obvious that you do this only because you’re a devout Verdukian and a
secret admirer of Charles Colson and Anthony Ulasewicz as well.

your comments reveal that you’ve a hereditary susceptibility to Chastek
paralysis and that your arms are as long or longer than are your legs giving rise
to a hesitation to fully commit to bipedalism.


we can only hope that you change before it’s too late. here’s a fun quiz that
everyone can enjoy…


Who would make the best mate for Korky Day…...


A) Chazz Palmintieri

B) Chazz Bono

C) Bono

D) a Bonobo


select two

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By Korky Day, May 8, 2012 at 8:19 am Link to this comment

Let’s take “heterochromatic”‘s presumed assumption at face value:  Barack Obama is God’s ordained political saviour and someone like Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is Satan’s side-kick.

All right, with that premise, should Obama try to debate with or negotiate with Ahmadinejad?

Jesus himself never seems to have shied away from an oral challenge.  He is reported to have talked openly with Doubting Thomas, Traitor Judas, fallen women, and other Jews and Romans, if I remember right (I’m an atheist).  He never said, “I’ll not risk my dignity by debating with so-and-so.”

Of course, the ambassadors and diplomats are always negotiating secretly:  that’s their job.  However, some governments don’t want to admit that they would deign to deal with each other.  That would ease tensions, which they don’t want to do.  That would cause the soldiers to say, “Hey, how about some more of those open talks before we risk our lives?”

The reasons that apologists for “shoot first, ask questions later” use usually include that the other side is for war, the other side will never change, the other side wouldn’t agree to negotiate, the other side wouldn’t negotiate seriously, the other side would just try to make us peace-lovers look bad, it would be a waste of time, etc.  Those are all presumptions—all phony excuses.  They are all simply answered by:  Well, let’s see President Barack Obama offer and then see what the response is!  If the enemy is as bad as alleged, then everyone will see that fairly soon, won’t they?

I say the main reason none of the USA presidents will debate is that they would lose the debate in the world’s eyes and in the USA voters’ eyes.  To win they would have to pull back USA imperial interests, which they is unwilling to do. 

I think that President Ron Paul would. 
I think that President Jill Stein would. 
I think that President Dennis Kucinich would. 
Bloodthirsty cowards like Obama won’t.

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By heterochromatic, May 8, 2012 at 8:05 am Link to this comment

why racist to say that the problems of the ME are not all going to be resolved
peacefully?

which race is without violence in their problem-solving?

which area of the world is entirely pacific?


you’re being a bit silly here.

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By vector56, May 8, 2012 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

“they’re not gonna resolve all their problems peacefully.”

Spoken like a two dimensional racist!

Hell, why dot just say, “They are not like us”.

Stop pretending that you don’t know that we are and have been promoting Chaos in the Middle East (divide and conquer); playing Sunni against Shia as our corporate masters suck out the oil.

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By heterochromatic, May 8, 2012 at 7:32 am Link to this comment

vec- the political systems and dictators of the Middle east aren’t our inventions
and they’re not gonna resolve all their problems peacefully.

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By vector56, May 8, 2012 at 5:47 am Link to this comment

“Neither Saddam Hussein nor Osama bin Laden were advocates of peace and any
debate with an asshole such as bin Laden would have been a mockery of a travesty
of a sham. “

heterochromatic above ststement is all two common (as is he) these days when it comes to talking to those we label the “Enemy” or “Terrorist”. I would bet you “dollars to donuts” that if we pulled out of the Middle East and allowed them to solve their own issues (i.e. get rid of the Dictators we have installed) we would never hear from them again.

You see what heterochromatic and his ilk will never admit is it’s all about the “rigged” Global Petroleum Market; we can’t talk peace until every last drop of oil is drained out of the region and millions more “children of a lessor God” (Allah) have gone to meet their maker by our hand.

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By heterochromatic, May 7, 2012 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

Korky—- here’s a fun project that truthdiggers can help fund!!!!!  won’t you make
a pledge, even if it’s only a couple of thousand dollars?

http://kickstriker.com/mobile-black-site

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By Korky Day, May 7, 2012 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

Obviously, neither “Saddam Hussein nor Osama bin Laden were advocates of peace”.  Neither is Barack Obama, which is why he and his current enemies should be grabbed by the ears by some schoolmarm and forced onto adjacent dunce stools to talk until they admit their bullying war crimes and finally create peace.  Preferable on live television.

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By heterochromatic, May 7, 2012 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

Korky——you’re just inventing “peace debates”.  respond to what I actually
wrote, kid, not to whatever’s in your head…


Neither Saddam Hussein nor Osama bin Laden were advocates of peace and any
debate with an asshole such as bin Laden would have been a mockery of a travesty
of a sham.

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By Korky Day, May 7, 2012 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

“heterochromatic” implies opposition to peace debates but support for peace talks.  Splitting hairs, I think, but anyway, will “heterochromatic” stop avoiding the point and criticize Obama and the USA government for failing to offer peace talks in the many major and minor wars it is fighting?

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By americanme, May 7, 2012 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

That should have been expletives/potty talk.

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By americanme, May 7, 2012 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

Who cares whether or not you are in favor of peace talks?  You are a nobody.

And we already know that you are not in favor of debate, as a debate requires presenting a point of view in a rational manner, presenting evidence to support that point of view and being able to rebut evidence or arguments presented that are contrary to those you have presented.

Debates do not entail a string of expletives, potty talk and ad hominem attacks—both are prohibited, in fact.

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By macduff40, May 7, 2012 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

it appears one has to post to actually stop notifiication
of posts by others, so I’m out of here, possibly….

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By heterochromatic, May 7, 2012 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

Korky—- you make rather fundamental mistakes… have you not wit enough not to
confuse debates with peace talks????


how utterly dumb….and it must be that error that allows you to say that I’m
against peace talks without the slightest evidence to support your statement.


very poor, Korker.

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By americanme, May 7, 2012 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

korky:  Hetero no-neck is in the employ of the US government.  He posts everything from that point of view.

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By Korky Day, May 7, 2012 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment

“heterochromatic” wrote “maybe Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden can debate with each other. No one here was interested in debating with them.”

The ruthless warring partner who considers themselves to be in the superior position rarely wants peace talks, except for show, as in the Paris peace talks during the failed conquest of Vietnam.  That bloodthirsty side would rather kill more and win.  If both sides think they can win, the war might last long unless one or both has some heart for the low-ranked soldiers and civilians who suffer and die, no matter what.

Maybe “heterochromatic” and others against peace talks will tell us if they are speaking from a position of war-zone civilian victim, war widow, war orphan, low-ranking soldier, officer, veteran, mercenary, war contractor, Zionist, apocalyptic Christian, Democratic Party apologist, Republican Party apologist, someone hoping the USA will lose, or what?

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By heterochromatic, May 7, 2012 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment

you might be correct…. should you ever find it again,
it would me nice if you could try writing something
that would show it to still be in working condition.

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By americanme, May 7, 2012 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

That’s one difference between you and me, no-neck:  I actually HAVE a mind.

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By heterochromatic, May 7, 2012 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

a legend in his/her own mind.

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By americanme, May 7, 2012 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

I would have been pleased to talk with both of them.  They were both much more intelligent than any prez you folks have had since Jimmy Carter.

I like to discusss and debate with intelligent folks.

Too bad there are almost none every posting here.  I can count folks on truthdig with IQs in triple digits on the fingers of one hand—that’s myself, and 4 more.

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By PatrickHenry, May 7, 2012 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

More nonsense from a hasbara poodle.

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By heterochromatic, May 7, 2012 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

maybe Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden can debate with each other. No one
here was interested in debating with them.

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By heterochromatic, May 7, 2012 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

why would Kucinich prefer to be vice-president for Ron Paul rather than RuPaul?

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By Korky Day, May 7, 2012 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

You can vote in a fun, non-profit poll for Kucinich to be Ron Paul’s vice president (ranked choice ballot):

http://www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=PaulVP2012

Many other good polls, too, at
http://www.DemoChoice.org

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By Korky Day, May 7, 2012 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

The schools teach students to settle their differences by talking instead of brawling.  Then we pick national leaders who never talk with their enemies.  Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden both challenged Dubya Bush to debate.  President Obama could have talked with bin Laden instead of murdering him.  Every president is too cowardly.  A president in the USA pseudo-democracy isn’t even required to debate his competitors for office, let alone his foreign opponents.

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By Free Thinker, May 7, 2012 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment
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By felicity, May 7 at 9:03 am

“Has it occurred to anyone that our presence in
Afghanistan is a huge recruiting tool for the Taliban? 

Has it occurred to anyone that the minute we threw out hat in with Karzi we alienated the Afghani people?

“Has it occurred to anyone that we’re blithering idiots?”
=====================================================
Yes indeed, felicity, yes indeed!

All your questions above did occur to me again and over again. Yet worse, it occured to me that the USA is a fake democracy since it has only the frame of a democracy, yet it is devoid of a democracy spirit!

To further elaborate, the USA has elections which is not the same as true democracy. In a true democracy the evil power of money should not count. We know that in the USA only actual millioneres or individuals supported by millioneres or the money of powerful lobbies have the chance to win the presidency or a seat in congress and the house. I like sarcastically to call American democracy as “the democracy that all the money can buy”!

Furthermore, did it occur to anyone that the USA is the most arrogant, self-appointed police system of the world?! And how any one with a grain of reason in his / her head is going to reconcile true democracy with greatest police state system in the world?!

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By americanme, May 7, 2012 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

Ah, the no-neck strikes again with sheer idiocy.

he really seems to believe that the US government should have its eyes up the assholes of everybody on the planet.

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By americanme, May 7, 2012 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

Mona:

Of course Washington State is pro war.  Boeing is one of the biggest pigs at the Department of Defense trough!

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By heterochromatic, May 7, 2012 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

has it occurred to you that the Taliban was running the place when we got there
and the feelings of some Afghans that impel them to join the Taliban aren’t of
paramount importance to us?

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By felicity, May 7, 2012 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

Has it occurred to anyone that our presence in
Afghanistan is a huge recruiting tool for the Taliban? 
Has it occurred to anyone that the minute we threw out
hat in with Karzi we alienated the Afghani people?

Has it occurred to anyone that we’re blithering idiots?

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By diamond, May 6, 2012 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

“The first step to solving the riddle is to admit that Obama is lying.  Once you realize that Obama is a massive liar. Then it becomes very easy to see what’s going on.”

Oh, yes of course. Obama was President when the US invaded Afghanistan. He was President when the US invaded Iraq (a war he voted against,incidentally) and he was President when the 9/11 event unfolded and he was President when the Global Financial Shitstorm hit the world. You must have that memory disorder where you have to be told every day again what happened the day before.

Obama did none of it, but he has had to use a gigantic shovel to clean up the filth left by the Bush administration and continues to wield it with the congress slung around his neck like a dead and reeking chicken and various Republicans curled around his ankles like hobbles.

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By heterochromatic, May 6, 2012 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

sure, we could fund healthcare with the money we save by shutting all the schools
that don’t preach “no more war” , but why would we want warmongers to have
healthcare?

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By heterochromatic, May 6, 2012 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment

Mona, Mona, Mona

great point.most public schools teach that violence is always the primary option
for every situation. that’s why they encourage pupils to carry guns to classes
and that’s why they teach boxing in junior high and have rifle practice in high
school.

sure you can say that it’s the parents who demand these things, but when the
parents demand that the instructional staff be required to administer corporal
punishment to offending students, many school district administrators refuse,
pointing out that few public school teachers are qualified to do so as so few of
them are nuns.


how many sons have you, Mona, Mona, Mona?

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By Mona, May 6, 2012 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment

To think that those dollar amounts, alone, would easily fund health care for everyone in the U.S.

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By Mona, May 6, 2012 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

Washington State is really a pro-war state.  That is why they are too stupid to let Dennis Kucinich represent them.  Most of his democratic colleagues are hypocrites.

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By Mona, May 6, 2012 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment

Thanks, truthdig, for providing more information via Dennis Kucinich.

As long as the school districts support war, we will continue with our endless policy.

As long as parents don’t stand up
to the do-nothing
public school administrators
who haven’t a creative bone
in their minds beyond
sending more boys to be “heros”
to their communities,
getting their balls blown off
in red white and blue
land mines.

Johnny Oh Johnny
You Are Our Hero,
moans in bloody ecstasy,
the bought-out local
state-controlled
press.

Yeah, Johnny Oh Johnny,

let’s make more
of you Johnny heros

Johnny Oh Johnny

Got His Gun.

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By americanme, May 6, 2012 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

I am asking why they are not there getting shot at!

Why would I, a non-white person, be lonely for white people?

Get real, no-neck.

You’ve really been dragging your bottom lately.

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By heterochromatic, May 6, 2012 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

you asking due to loneliness or for other reason?

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By americanme, May 6, 2012 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

Where are all the white cannon fodder grunts?

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By heterochromatic, May 6, 2012 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment

If former General Petraeus turns out to be a hebrew god I will be quite surprised,
moonie…. have a lice day.

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By americanme, May 6, 2012 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment

More secret info for the no-neck troll from his hebrew god.

I just have two words for him:  Jesus Christ.

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By heterochromatic, May 6, 2012 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

vec—- no we’re not and you believe more myths that the average American.

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By vector56, May 6, 2012 at 7:23 am Link to this comment

Also, I too like Free Thinker notice that everyone in the photo with Obama was Black.

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By vector56, May 6, 2012 at 7:13 am Link to this comment

“we’ve stayed this longer and will stay longer not because of Afghanistan itself, but
because of Pakistan, although nobody in government will come out and voice it. “

More misdirection from heterochromatic; we are in Afghanistan to “TAP” (Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline).

Just like the pipe line Obama will ok after the election, the Oil Companies plan to drain resources of that region and transport them through Afghanistan. The US Military (at tax payers expense) will be used to guard the pipeline.

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By balkas, May 6, 2012 at 5:32 am Link to this comment

hetero,
alas “excellent reasons” are not excellent causes.
rationalizing one’s actions is easy and we all do that too much.
however, not all rationalizations cause deaths, maimings, destruction, hatred,
anger, etc.
but political or priestly rationalization does cause too often horrors and terrors,
frights, death, hatred.
====
it seems that kids are not educated about not identifying reasons with facts or
actuall causes.
that’s crazy making and it is deliberate and forethought.
the more crazed people schooling, media, hollywood, advertising, TV, ‘religion’
manufacture, the more ONEPERCENT LOVES IT. it’s money in the bank!

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By heterochromatic, May 5, 2012 at 9:35 pm Link to this comment

we had excellent reason for invading Afghanistan and we should have concluded
our business there and been out long ago….

we’ve stayed this longer and will stay longer not because of Afghanistan itself, but
because of Pakistan, although nobody in government will come out and voice it.

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By chuckwagoncharlie, May 5, 2012 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

Look at the numbers in body bags. Less than 10000 over the years. Just use 10000 dead and look at the money made by America’s “in crowd” over the billions spent during this time and Afgan’s war with Russia. When the draft aged boys and girls are being spared with a bunch of volunteers the body bags are not as bad.
We are not going to get out of Afgan. There is too much money being made by those sponsoring the war.

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By balkas, May 5, 2012 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

MSM never mentions vietnam. i wonder why? is it because its twig of
communism is working for benefit all the people and in ab. equal measure?
and 98% of vietnamese love it!!??
chinese branch, seems, does not benefit equally all of the people.
so, chinese communism is criticized. 
however, indian, u.s—among many other lands’—, in-basics-identical
ideology allows some people to earn thousand times more than others.
is it any wonder u.s is a police, military, fbi, cia state?
for that can happen only in a police or military state!!

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By americanme, May 5, 2012 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

As there seems to be an inability on the part of truthdig’s writers and commentators to add two and two, I should probably add this to my last post:

And THOSE folks say that Dennis K. will never be president:  He too uppity with his masters.

Obama jes fine with his masters—he know his place.

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By americanme, May 5, 2012 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

The Us continues to rape and pillage and murder in Afghanistan because these folks tell them to stay there:

Big Oil (still looking for that pipeline from the Caucasus),

Big Guns (doing big business in Afghanistan) and

Big Drugs (More heroin money for the CIA and the DEA to launder to keep US banks semi-solvent).

Ya know, this ain’t nuclear physics, folks.  The guys that impose THEIR candidates make foreign and domestic policy.

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By macduff40, May 5, 2012 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

Seems like the U.S. should get the hell out of the middle
east, we shouldn’t be burning the stuff anyway.

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By DornDiego, May 5, 2012 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

Seems like Dennis Kucinich should get a radio program.

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By Bird48, May 5, 2012 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

He already is leaving the House; due to redistricting he lost in the primary. He’s been looking at Washington state but so far that hasn’t materialized.

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By macduff40, May 5, 2012 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

bingo

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By Doubtom, May 5, 2012 at 7:55 am Link to this comment

Time for Kucinich to leave the House as he can’t get anything done and run again
for the presidency in a new party OF the people.

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By M Henri Day, May 5, 2012 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

Sad that Peter Scheer neglected the opportunity to further pursue the question raised by Mr Kucinich, i e, just why the US government continues to be involved in Afghanistan. Why do these hundreds of hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars, extracted from those low enough on the socio-economic scale to pay taxes in the US, continue to be invested in this manner, which, obviously enough, hardly is likely to attain its putative objectives ? One can, if one so desires, point to «incompetence» on the part of those responsible for these outlays, but to my mind, that old adage to «never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity» is not adequate here ; I suspect rather that those in charge know very well what they are doing. I should very much like to have heard Mr Kucinich’s views on this matter….

Kudos, by the way, to Robert Scheer, for saying what few dare say but what should be obvious to all - the concerns about human rights in China expressed by figures in that same US government which continues to conduct its interminable wars of aggression ‘round the world and to engage in torture, kidnapping «extraordinary rendition», etc, etc, are an exercise in cynicism at the highest level. May this interview gains many listeners !...

Henri

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By macduff40, May 5, 2012 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

We can’t get out, we have to make Afghanistan save for
Unicol’s pipeline.  What you thought it was all about
democracy?  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-
Afghanistan_Pipeline

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By balkas, May 5, 2012 at 6:13 am Link to this comment

as long as kucinich, nader, moore, et al only protest, world supremacists wld not leave
afgh’n, iraq, palestina, yemen, syria, libya, lebanon, sudan, somalia, iran, korea.
these people need to set up a political party that wld stand opposite the agents of the
ONEPERCENT.
movements, organizations, protests, marches, etc., always make matter worse for the 99%
or actually the ‘weakest’ americans, say, 30%  of people.
and i expect a protest in u.s has even less of a chance to exact any changes for better than
in other land.
u.s is by far better politicized than any country i know of; alas, in favor of the 1% to 30% of
americans.
no politico in u.s seems to care for the weakest americans!!!

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By THX 1133 is not in the movie..., May 5, 2012 at 2:27 am Link to this comment

Kudos to Robert and Peter Scheer; your radio program is
fast maturing into a “must listen” scenario.
Thanks for your good work.

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By Free Thinker, May 5, 2012 at 1:38 am Link to this comment
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The picture accompanying this thread is very disturbing indeed. For one thing, everyone appearing in this picture is black, which propmpts me to ask the question:

Is Obama the Commander-in-Chief of black America?

A related question is this:

Since blacks were freed from slavery some time ago,after they did the hard work of building this sad country and bearing the worst hardship of any segment of the society, did they need to wait for a black president to enslave them again; this time to make them slaves to the political-military-industrial empire, to have no decent opportunity of employment at home, and to be sent instead half way around the word to kill and be killed in an evil war based on lies and deception!

What a legacy for the first black president towards his black brethren!!! Obama must be the worst of the whites, but in black skin!!!

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By BenMajor, May 5, 2012 at 12:01 am Link to this comment
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Getting out of Afghanistan in a humane & responsible way will take
another 15-20 months. President Obama has set a deadline for us to
be out in 2014. The orders to the military have already been
given.

“Humane?”...“Responsible?”, you snear? Yes, humane & responsible.
Very. As you darn well know, President Obama inherited the
situation from our previous “president”—a person who has given
fresh meaning to the phrase “criminally insane”.

President Obama spent a lot of time trying to actually understand
the situation beyond the obvious. Was there any possible way to
salvage *anything* from the horrible fiasco? Was Karzai really as
horrible as some people were saying? How do we give leave with the
fewest gifts to the Taliban and AQ? How do we get out and/or take-
care of the well-meaning Afghans that trusted Bush’s people to
make sane choices? Will Iran invade or essentially install there
own puppet government there (not a joke). Do any of the shockingly
huge mineral & rare metal riches discovered two years ago in
Afghanistan have serious strategic value to the US, or would it
just be business greed keeping us there?

Before you shake your head “Of Course it’s all about the
money!!!”, please seriously try to deal with this very real
choice: If the West doesn’t control and profit from it, the
Taliban, AQ and their supporters will. That would be incredibly
horrible for the world and a lot of innocent people still alive
now. It would most definitely be very bad for the future of the
good things we still have in America. And, no, I am understating,
if anything.

Anyway, President Obama tried a few sensible tactics with Afghanistan—mind you, with a great deal of reality-based and
moral analysis. As president, you make the top decisions. You want
to make them as informed as necessary, and then some. informed.
You need to have the cold hard facts about what, why, where, when,
& how. To do otherwise would be criminally negligent, and lead to
further massive tragedy.

It took a while for the various of parts of the government,
military and diplomatic sources to give the President the real,
honest, untainted facts—without the BS, stupidity, ignorance,
arrogance and greed of his predecessors. It took a while, because
a lot of the people had either forgotten what it was like to be
asked for real facts and to be taken seriously. Also, many of the
most talented & best informed people for the tasks were fired years
ago to make room for Bush-Tush-Kissers.

When President Obama finally had the full picture and the details
as required, he ordered the pull-out plans and set deadlines last
year.

Since we are talking in the realm of informed reality, I’ll point
out two other dangerous realities:

1)The U.S. and allies *have* already started to get our guys out
of there. However, as with Iraq, we *are* going to leave some
serious but reserve firepower there for as long as we can and is
necessary. Not for current combat. For possible good use should
unfortunate but realistic possibilities occur.

2)Anyone that is sufficiently-informed & analytically-minded
understands that a significant reason we are handling the withdrawals from Iraq and Afghanistan the way we are is because of the
very real and sobering potential for nuclear weapons from a
variety of regional sources to be used.

I, for one, don’t want anyone or anything lighting causing that to occur. I don’t think DennisK would go for that happening either.

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By azythos, May 4, 2012 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment

To Kucinich:
Get Out, Get Out, Get Out of that “Democratic” party!
Can you learn nothing from your own defeated but real negative contribution, at the end of the day, in each of the major battles?

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By Bird48, May 4, 2012 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

He is my hero; a hero being someone who goes beyond what is asked (shut up and sit down or you won’t be reelected) and says what is right! Thank you Dennis!! I love you.

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By vector56, May 4, 2012 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

The “fact” that Dennis Kucinich is a “freak” in the House and has been zoned out of existence by backroom deals cut between the Corporate Democrats and their Republican counterparts makes clear that the game is rigged to the point of doing anything short of turning over the table is irrelevant!

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By Ron, May 4, 2012 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment
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The real insanity is we speak of democracy, justice, peace, and a rule of law, but we have no real democracy, justice is not blind, and we seek peace through war.

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By PatrickHenry, May 4, 2012 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment

I always loved this guy and he is right….again.

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