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Defense Bill Proposes Indefinite Detention for American Citizens

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Posted on Nov 29, 2011
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Tucked into the National Defense Authorization Act, a Pentagon spending bill set to go before the Senate for a vote this week, is a truly scary provision that would give the military the ability to lock up terrorism suspects, or those so considered by the military, without trying or charging them. Americans included. What are Sens. Carl Levin and John McCain thinking in suggesting that this is anything resembling an acceptable policy on the part of a self-described democracy? “Democracy Now!” has more from its Tuesday broadcast.  —KA

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By Dr Bones, December 1, 2011 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment
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We really need to indict, try, and then incarcerate these criminals.

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By mmadden, December 1, 2011 at 7:40 am Link to this comment

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.—James Madison

‘When the government fears the people it is a democracy….when the people fear their government it is tyranny…’—- Thomas Jefferson

Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.—Benjamin Franklin


The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive.– Thomas Jefferson


The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. – James Madison


The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders…tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. – Herman Goering


I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. – James Baldwin


Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. – Voltaire


The cry has been that when war is declared, all opposition should be hushed. A sentiment more unworthy of a free country could hardly be propagated. – William Ellery Channing


“if there be one principle more deeply written than any other in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest.”—Thomas Jefferson


Criticism in a time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic government. – Sen. Robert Taft, (R) Ohio


Fascism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible. ~ Sinclair Lewis 1935


“patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.” - Samuel Johnson


“If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied.” -Thomas Jefferson

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By berniem, November 30, 2011 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

It’s gonna get ugly soon. FREE BRADLEY MANNING AND TIM DECHRISTOPHER!!!!

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By redteddy, November 30, 2011 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

@de profundis clamavi who wrote:
“Some general says “we know you’re a terrorist” and they can lock you up
indefinite­ly with no right to a trial? Am I missing something here? This law is the
keystone of a totalitari­an military government­.”

Well the people allowed the government to submit foreigners to this practice, we
have also allowed the US government to assassinate a US citizen in Yemen by
executive orders without congressional oversight. So why are we now surprised
that the government should apply these same measures towards its own citizens? 
Its a no brainer, americans feel comfortable with these laws because they believe it
will never apply to them and by the time it does its too late.

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By redteddy, November 30, 2011 at 9:54 am Link to this comment

Surprise Surprise. As if we didn’t see that coming. Its just another covert
solidifying of the police state, I say ‘covert’ because this isn’t something you will
see heavily reported on mainstream news.

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By de profundis clamavi, November 30, 2011 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

So the military is now going to have the same illegal powers over us as it has over the people of Afghanista­n?

Some general says “we know you’re a terrorist” and they can lock you up indefinite­ly with no right to a trial?

Am I missing something here? This law is the keystone of a totalitari­an military government­. Are we supposed to feel comforted if it is never used, or if for the time being it is used only to lock up fundamenta­list Muslims? Remember, we won’t always have the same generals and we won’t always have the same issues. The scapegoats of public hysteria can change, and could include people of any political persuasion if their opponents are in power.

I personally think Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are dangerous subversive­s. I think they provide material support for domestic right wing terrorism. I think poisonous right wing propagandi­sts like them are responsibl­e for Timothy McVeigh’s bombing in Oklahoma City and the massacre and attempted assassinat­ion of Gabrielle Giffords. I would love to see them locked up and silenced, but fortunatel­y for them I am not a general or a dictator and they have constituti­onal rights (however undeserved­). I haven’t checked, but my guess is they would enthusiast­ically support this law. They should remember that there can be dictatorsh­ips of the left as well as of the right. That’s why we have a constituti­on.

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By william burroughs, November 30, 2011 at 6:41 am Link to this comment
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All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.    American people are in grave danger.The Big Corporations are moving with the Financial Coup that has already taken place…..........I ask you all to take heed now,before it is too late. WB

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By Litl Bludot, November 30, 2011 at 1:26 am Link to this comment

Happening NOW! crackdown by LAPD, notorious for their brutality. . There are
unidentified military type with weapons, there are also cops on the beat with tear
gas guns, rubber bullet guns. People needed to witness at: Get it out there now.
http://occupy.tv/Occupy-Los_Angeles-Live-Stream/

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By screamingpalm, November 30, 2011 at 1:22 am Link to this comment

Eerily quiet, I agree, but it comes as no surprise. I seem to recall TD posters prophecize this very thing for quite some time now. Not much to say really, except that the writing on the wall is being realized. Others (the Democrat loyalists) are probably taking comfort from the threat of veto from the White House, but I wonder if that option would really be exercised if it came down to it.

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By chinny, November 29, 2011 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment
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why isn’t this a major headline on truthdig?

uh, hello?...

is anyone there?

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By Litl Bludot, November 29, 2011 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment

Worth considering why there’s not many comments here. I mean, this is only a bill
that completely strips us of any rights to due process. Citizens now can be taken
off the streets, disappeared, tortured and killed, no questions asked.  But, I guess
that doesn’t deserve much comment.

Or people know now, that any comment could be used to, sooner or later, justify
their own disappearance by the military, or whoever has become the military.

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By Chris Herz, November 29, 2011 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment
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Since this government is totally corrupt and has no legitimacy except that conferred by Diebold’s programmers, repressive powers are all that are left to them.

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By diamond, November 29, 2011 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

They came for the Communists and I did nothing. They came for the Jews and I did nothing. When they came for me there was no one left to do anything.

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