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Chris Hedges on Books About WarPosted on Nov 30, 2009
The Truthdig columnist, veteran war correspondent and author of “War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning” tells “On the Media” that when it comes to capturing war, “fiction is a better medium.” Advertisement The World As It Is:Dispatches on the Myth of Human Progress
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By hileftgatekeeper, December 2, 2009 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment
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Hey Chris, who were the true 9/11 culprits? Did you know that the left gatekeeper, pied piper role is to lead the progressive faithful on all of their causes except those that truly expose the murderous elite? And by all means, don’t wake up the sheep, the masses.
Report thisBy ardee, December 2, 2009 at 4:06 am Link to this comment
cabdriver, December 1 at 10:25 pm #
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ardee, your counterpoints are superfluous.
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Of course you think so dear boy. Restating an absurdity is not a way to make it less absurd.
Report thisBy colin2626262, December 2, 2009 at 12:49 am Link to this comment
Dear Chris,
What do you know about the nonrational, as you call it? What do you know about feelings? Your books and essays are all rational. Everything you say is rational. You pride yourself on your rationality. Anyone who doesn’t is a child. We have to be rational, according to you. We also have to have our moments of non-rationality. That’s what makes us truly human, you say. You don’t say anything, though. You don’t care about feelings. You just care about your ideas. Nothing you write affects people. Ask the average person on the street who Chris Hedges is, and they’ll give you a blank look. “Who?” No one’s ever heard of you, except for a few intellectuals. Why is that?
No one’s ever heard of me, either. Actually, a lot more people have heard of you than me. But I suppose I shouldn’t even have said that about no one knowing who you are. It doesn’t matter. It’s just that you keep writing every week. Every week, another column. And what does it accomplish? Does anyone in power listen to you? Are your anti-war articles being studied by policymakers? No. You’re just ignored. You therefore have to come up with a whole theory about how rotten American society is. We must all be idiotic, television obsesssed, ignorant “infants” who vote against our own interests. We worship false gods, celebrities, fake politicians, our own selves. Have you ever thought maybe the problem is with you and others on the Left? You’re not reaching people. Haven’t you ever thought about why you’re not reaching anyone? Why are so many people completely hostile and therefore indifferent to the ideas you express? I’ll tell you why. It’s too rational! You say we need to be nonrational, get in touch with the sacred, revere the spiritual side of life found in relationships with others and in art. Yet you don’t write about this. Actually, I’m wrong. You do write about it. But it just doesn’t affect me. You never talk about anything spiritual except morality, which is what religion means to you. But that’s not religion. I admit that people who claim to be religious can be immoral. So the question then is: what is religion?
You don’t care! No one cares, it seems. Everyone is seemingly just out for themselves, trying to get their ideas out there, their voices out in the public sphere. I don’t want that. I’m not trying to be famous. I’m not trying to get on television or be a celebrity. I don’t need to give interviews or go on book tours. That doesn’t help anyone. That’s all just egotism. Talk about morality all day if you want. Give a lecture using historical, philosophical and literary illusions. Write another book. Write a hundred more articles. Are you really going to help anyone this way? And are you even helping yourself, your own soul, this way? Maybe, I don’t know. I’m not you. I’m not anyone. I’m a nobody.
But I have feelings like everybody. God has given me the ability to have feelings. I didn’t use to have feelings. I used to be empty. I used to be nothing. I used to not believe in God. Now I know what religion is. And religion is the only way we can be saved. I know you disagree, Chris. You wrote, “Relgion cannot save us,” in your book on atheism. What kind of critique of atheism is it when you say atheism is to be respected because secular people are capable of making good moral choices. They’re not. Only God is, and you don’t believe in God if you’re secular. You don’t believe, so you don’t know.
Move aside, Chris. No one’s listening to you. You could become a real prophet, but you don’t want to. You’d have to change from a rational adult to a real religious person, a real voice for change in this world. You’d have to be a child—a child of God.
Report thisBy Ouroborus, December 1, 2009 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment
ardee, December 1 at 9:41 am #
I am always puzzled by the severe crticisms one finds
accompanying any Hedges article.
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Likewise…
Report thisBy cabdriver, December 1, 2009 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment
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ardee, your counterpoints are superfluous.
Everybody already knows there’s an American Christian Right Wing. Nothing I said even hinted otherwise.
What I was pointing out is that there’s a vocal faction of the American Left that’s openly hostile to religion of any type- especially the monotheistic ones, and most especially Christianity. And they’re often transparently phony and hypocritical in their rhetorical flourishes, which pound the gavel of pervasive moral judgment against entire categories of people at least as hard as Jerry Falwell ever did. Including grave-dancing and consigning their chosen enemies to “Hell”- the one shard of theology in which they retain some faith, apparently.
Read some of the comments replying to Hedges’ previous columns, if you don’t think that a substantial part of the invective directed at him is based on his religious identification.
And yes, I know all about the things that Rush, O’Reilly, Michael Savage, et. al. say in their broadcasts. Bore me to death, already.
No one ever deserves to duck criticism by pointing at what the other guys do. And, at any rate, I was not talking about right-wing media mouthpieces- who do not cuss their way through their programs (if for no other reason than that they’re forbidden to do that, by the people who hired them.)
I’m referring to comments that I read in on-line political forums. There’s a lot of low-life trash talk all around, but in my experience, the most egregious of it comes from the left.
As for your skepticism about the notion that “Left progressives” indulge themselves with profanity-laced trash talking at the expense of content- just keep reading the letters columns here, and you’ll eventually see what I’m talking about (unless eveyone reads this and cleans up their act thereafter- as if!) Although some of the threads on Salon.com contain more abundant examples.
For example, I could link you to a recent coprophilia fantasy posted as a comment in a thread about Sarah Palin there, to the cheers of other posters. But I’ll spare you. Or, you should read how some of the regulars over there refer to the editor, Joan Walsh. In her columns, replying to her content.
Report thisBy ardee, December 1, 2009 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment
ardee, I suspect it’s “the Christian thing
No , I in turn suspect it is the human thing. There are certainly those, left or right, who descend into rant and invective. I myself have done so when “inspired” or sickened by some of the incredibly bigoted and stupid stuff posted here.
It’s been obvious to me for some years now that there’s a sizable and quite vocal contingent of “liberals” and “progressives” who are only comfortable with Christians if they can consign them to the ranks of right-wing know-nothings.
There is also a brand of Christianity that is far right in nature and politics, that uses its own distorted versions of the teachings of Christ to form awful visions for this nation and this world.
As related to that phenomenon: perhaps you’ve noticed the propensity of Internet commentators from the “American left-progressive” part of the spectrum to resort to outbursts reminiscent of Tourette’s Syndrome, including the most vile misogyny, at anyone whom they deem a political adversary- or at anyone who doesn’t mirror their own personal views as closely as they like.
I guess you have never listened to Rush Limbaugh or Bill O’Reilly or Michael Savage or ........Perhaps you might cite any personality, TV or radio who espouses left wing opinion with the savagery of those cited above?
For all of the manifold failures of logic and integrity among American conservatives, most of them appear capable of refraining from the sort of Linda Blair/ “Exorcist”-type ranting that so often typifies on-line “critical commentary” by Internet posters who identify themselves as being part of the American Left.
Really?
Report thisBy cabdriver, December 1, 2009 at 10:45 am Link to this comment
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ardee, I suspect it’s “the Christian thing”.
It’s been obvious to me for some years now that there’s a sizable and quite vocal contingent of “liberals” and “progressives” who are only comfortable with Christians if they can consign them to the ranks of right-wing know-nothings.
And they appear to be intensely discomfited by any Christian who expresses political views similar to theirs. It messes up their tidy world view.
Therefore, they spare no opportunity to hurl their contempt at anyone who won’t get with the program, in that regard.
As related to that phenomenon: perhaps you’ve noticed the propensity of Internet commentators from the “American left-progressive” part of the spectrum to resort to outbursts reminiscent of Tourette’s Syndrome, including the most vile misogyny, at anyone whom they deem a political adversary- or at anyone who doesn’t mirror their own personal views as closely as they like.
For all of the manifold failures of logic and integrity among American conservatives, most of them appear capable of refraining from the sort of Linda Blair/ “Exorcist”-type ranting that so often typifies on-line “critical commentary” by Internet posters who identify themselves as being part of the American Left.
Report thisBy ardee, December 1, 2009 at 5:41 am Link to this comment
I am always puzzled by the severe crticisms one finds accompanying any Hedges article. Rather than commenting upon his opinions one seems to find only character assassinations. Puzzling.
Report thisBy Ouroborus, December 1, 2009 at 4:18 am Link to this comment
One may not agree with Chris (I do), but there is no
Report thisdenying he’s been there and done it for real; this is a
guy I’d like to have a beer with.