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Chris Hedges Occupies Wall Street

Posted on Sep 26, 2011

The Truthdig columnist sits in with protesters and says the power elite are “very, very frightened,” adding, “They do not want movements like this to grow.”

 

 

 

 

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By Karl, October 5, 2011 at 12:11 am Link to this comment
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Only a battered child could not connect the dots. You faceless people sadden me, like chestnut blossoms before rain. Have you ever tried working three jobs? Is your imagination afraid, or dead?

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By Ray, October 2, 2011 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment
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Hard to take Hedges serious when he lies about unions
being illegal in Florida (not only are they not illegal
but the right to collectively bargain is protected by
the Florida Constitution) and complains about the
racism towards Muslims (not a race) and homosexuals
(also not a race). His narrative about corporations
trying to make everyone poor doesn’t even pass the
smell test. Why would corporations want people to be so
poor that they can’t afford the products and services
offered by the corporations?

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By John R., October 2, 2011 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

@ Redteddy and ALL others that do not believe we have direction or KNOW what
we want -

A simple search of: “Occupy wall street official demands” will reveal to you the
actual level of organization that we do have at: OccupyWallStreet, OccupyLA,
and all others across America.

Please note that other information inquires such as:
“How do you expect these demands to be met?”

You the blogger are not privy to. But once you are “In” the movement, you will
be directed to those who will inform you of “The plan” You will have to be
there, in person, with us, then we will know just which side of history you will
be on. Until then - a blogging speculative spectator, is the best you can hope
for.

And we do not hold anger, or baggage toward you, the world has a history of
those that choose not to participate and many reasons could be applied. Again,
this is not a slap or anything resembling such. You may have family to work for.
We understand this, and hope that by reading our demands you will join us “in
spirit” if it is the only way that you can.

Directions to VIEW the demands:

On the left side of the site look for MAIN MENU

In the lower part of the box click #occupy demands

http://coupmedia.org/

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By Susan, October 1, 2011 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment
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I am joining ‘Occupy Albany’.  We meet Sunday at 5pm.  This movement is spreading to other cities in your areas.  Don’t let this little light go out!

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By redteddy, October 1, 2011 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

@Re-GZ0089

Except the elites are not being challenged, this isn’t challenging anyone in power
because the group hasn’t stated any goals and isn’t interfering with the system. 
The system allows them to occupy the park and it gives an illusion of freedom and
democratic movement precisely because it doesn’t threaten or challenge or
interfere with business as usual.  They need to learn from the Greeks who are
engaged in stymying business as usual, they are blocking buildings, shutting
down meetings, stating clear goals. What is happening in the park will lose
momentum if they don’t begin to organize themselves around clearly stated goals
and engage in system shut down.

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By redteddy, October 1, 2011 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Olenska by the way is spot on.

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By Joseph Furtenbacher, September 30, 2011 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

Truthdig, huh? Did any of the blind men ever discover the whole truth of even the elephant they were examining, let alone that of the one-eyed man observing them?

Subevolutionism will out… But I suppose it’s true that it’s better to fight any battle than no battle at all; practice makes perfect, and maybe someday they’ll realize that the throwing of stones is far more effective from the confines of a cave, than from the windows of a glass mcmansion…

p.s. Please google me (Facebook and The Huffington Post are my main stomping grounds) before asking me questions that have long been answered…

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By radson, September 29, 2011 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment

Dear Madame Olenska
Please do not lose hope ,this discussion that you are partaking in is merely a test of character by people that oppose your point of view ,and I may add a ‘gang de vendue ’ that support the Status Quo .These same persons have very little dignity if none what so ever .Now you have stated that you were involved in the Short trading aspect of business and I may add that that is bordering a criminal enterprise ,yet you have the courage to Talk about it and that I respect .

cheers

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By RayLan, September 29, 2011 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

The meaningful and turnkey protests of the sixties were led by the young teen/twenties - for boomers to dis these young ‘uns now is so disingenuous.
It is the perennial function of youth to correct the complaceny and corruption of the old status quo. Thank God they have the spirit to act on the wisdom of older visionaries like Chris Hedges.

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By gerard, September 29, 2011 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment
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Latest news is that some sections of labor are joining in.

After that, maybe the social action sections of liberal churches?

And after that, people from other professions (teachers, nurses, public employees, doctors, psychologists, musicians ....?

And after that, more and more people who think it is important to reclaim our Constitution, and the democracy it was written to establish?

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By Pacifist Power, September 29, 2011 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment
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Violent oppression will lead to violent resistance without a doctrine of non-violence. By all means protest and occupy, but by all means remain non-violent. Violence on the part of protestors and occupiers will alienate the masses, provide a justification for further oppression, and serve no good end.

Sing, don’t scream. Cultivate understanding with oppressors, don’t jeer them. Work to reduce animosity; don’t allow your actions to increase it. Non-violent protest facilitates change, riotous behavior does not. Turn the other cheek, obstruct violence by sacrificing your non-violent body, such is an embodiment of true courage.

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By olenska, September 29, 2011 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

There is too much hostility on this forum for my taste. I don’t get it, not from readers of this rag,and I deal with more than I can take from the right wing as it is, so I am outta here.

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By Re-GZ0089, September 29, 2011 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

I think what olenska is getting at is not necessarily a leader or anything like that but just a “face” for the movement to ply their demands. That and the idea of the movement possibly needed more intellectual backbone to keep better long-term cohesion as such.

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By olenska, September 29, 2011 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

I have no idea what that last statement was about, but I am part of no group, do not criticize protesters in general and am not being critical of these young people.  my observation that the protesters do not understand the complexities of stock market rigging and how it wrecked all of their lives is accurate. I have spoken with many of them, and they need better information on these issues. It distresses me, actually, that there are so few there who can explain what happened to the US economy

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By OzarkMichael, September 29, 2011 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

Olenska said:“the protesters may not be capable of understanding…”

EmileZ replied: “That is a pretty arrogant statement if I have ever heard one.”

Oh no, thats actually a traditional Leftist statement about protestors. Even if its millions and millions of them. Like the Tea Party. The traditional Leftist sentiment is that all activists have been manipulated and are pawns of some outside control.

So it is certainly not arrogance to say that “the protesters may not be capable of understanding” No, it is consistant for Leftists to speak that way about the Wall Street Campers.

It would be arrogance to claim that the Campers were exempt from the usual Leftist analysis. In fact, I insist that we apply it!

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By olenska, September 29, 2011 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

“They understand that this country has changed so radically during their lifetimes that there is no hope for the future.  They understand that the social contract of 200 years has been torn up and they know who is responsible.”

okay. they could say that. in one voice

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By olenska, September 29, 2011 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

I disagree. The Egyptians and Syrians had clear goals - to depose despotic rulers and establish a parliamentary system. Look, I am supporting the protesters in every way I can, but I do not think that the movement can garner the press coverage and broad support needed to sustain itself without some voice, some statement of why they are there and what they want. Whatever the general assembly decides that is. I just wish they would get together and agree on something. My point about Mr. Hedges is that he has a big picture view that I think could help them in making those decisions

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By lasmog, September 29, 2011 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

Chris Hedges is right.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, September 29, 2011 at 7:11 am Link to this comment
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The other side doesn’t need a mission statement from the protesters.  They understand perfectly well what the problem is and what the solution is.  The servents of power are the ones who insist on mission statements.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, September 29, 2011 at 7:02 am Link to this comment
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With all due respect to Chris Hedges, I would say that the people of Greece, Italy, Egypt, Syria, have been carrying on the struggle courageously without “mission statements” from intellectuals.

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By doublestandstandards/glasshouses, September 29, 2011 at 6:55 am Link to this comment
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“The protesters don’t understand.”  They understand enough to be out there facing the police rioters.  They understand that this country has changed so radically during their lifetimes that there is no hope for the future.  They understand that the social contract of 200 years has been torn up and they know who is responsible.  They understand quite enough.

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By EmileZ, September 29, 2011 at 6:38 am Link to this comment

@ Olenska

Good for you I suppose.

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By olenska, September 29, 2011 at 6:22 am Link to this comment

ps - fyi Goldman Sachs has virtually taken control of the US Federal government. There is no other brokerage with even a fraction of their power. They are market makers, so they set stock prices, then bet at 100x leverage on the very prices they set. Ellen Browne is a good source for understanding the dynamics of Goldman and government policy

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By olenska, September 29, 2011 at 6:19 am Link to this comment

I write for Op-Ed news and have written extensively about Wall Street corruption. I have traded the markets for over a decade, but mostly on the short side

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By EmileZ, September 29, 2011 at 5:48 am Link to this comment

Reply to Olenska….

Some might surmise that your exclusive focus on Goldman Sachs betrays you as an ally to the dark side of the force.

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By olenska, September 29, 2011 at 3:59 am Link to this comment

Reply to EmileZ - Do you honestly think that the protesters understand derivatives? How the street controls commodities markets? Why Goldman brought down Greece? It is a diverse group of mostly young people who need to be educated on exactly how Goldman Sachs has destroyed the global economy and why they are doing it. What their objectives are. Mr. Hedges is uniquely qualified to teach that course, and to guide them on how to set and accomplish goals.

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By olenska, September 29, 2011 at 3:55 am Link to this comment

Mr. Hedges - One more thing - I agree with Nader that we need a challenge from the left in order to put socialist ideas out in the public forum. Chomsky is too old to do it, and I am hoping that you will do it. Just declare, and give Americans a chance to hear non-propaganda ideas. What do you say?

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By EmileZ, September 29, 2011 at 2:30 am Link to this comment

@Olenska

Re: :“the protesters may not be capable of understanding…”

That is a pretty arrogant statement if I have ever heard one.

What would be the point of Mr. Hedges drafting anything if “the protesters may not be capable of understanding it” anyhow???

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By olenska, September 29, 2011 at 2:15 am Link to this comment

Mr. Hedges - Your understanding of the causes and ramifications of wall street theft and fraud is profound. The protesters may not be capable of understanding the manipulations of goldman, or of how they caused the current Greek crisis as well as the 2008 collapse. I wish that you could draft a mission statement, with them. They are in desperate need of clear objectives. Without them I think this protest will fail. Thanks for your work, which I always follow.

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By EmileZ, September 29, 2011 at 1:18 am Link to this comment

I believe ecology is the main issue, but thanks for bringing up healthcare Mr. Hedges…

Useful link:

Single payer campaigner, Dr. Margaret Flowers, provides the basics for a single payer health care system for the United States.

Dr. Margaret Flowers is a Maryland pediatrician. In 2006 she left her practice to devote full time to organizing for a universal, comprehensive, quality healthcare system in the United States.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDM0jMXaGq0

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By John R., September 28, 2011 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

@ Samson

I joined.

I agreed with the “Occupy Wall street official Demands” and joined, or am with
them, since theres no sign up sheet or anything. It was, that simple. And so
glad I did, no one here is interested in Dems. Repubs, Lefts, Rights, etc.

Chris H is a wonderful caring man, very empathetic to human beings all over
the world.

btw - occupyLA is also in solidarity with occupywallstreet

And they had a protest at “the house of blues on sunset blvd’

occupyLA is going to City Hall this sat the 1st. to start a permanent
encampment. Smiles to our fellow citizens in LA.

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By Joseph Kunkel, September 28, 2011 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment
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I’m a 27 year old veteran, a former navy intel specialist (six years), So I guess I
qualify as a “white nerd”? Hedges is pretty right on, Im heading up to the
occupation this friday with two of my friends… none of whom are white or
nerds…well maybe nerds.

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By Casey, September 28, 2011 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment
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@jgaryhimself - Ron Paul denounces torture and is pro-choice in terms of unions, so I
don’t necessarily see those differences in views in his policies. I am rapidly coming to
the view that we should either have single payer universal healthcare or get rid of the
health insurance industry and go back to private pay. The current system divorces the
doctor from the patient and is too costly. I don’t view wanting to put food on the table for
my family as egotistical so I disagree with your position on libertarianism. Centralized
systems of universal control always end up more impacted by the greed of those who
control the system than decentralized local systems of control. Stalin, Mao, Polpot have
all proven that out. Still, without nitpicking the smaller dissimilarities, I’d like people to
unite under the belief that the current system of corporate fascism is the worst humanity
has to offer and help create something more humanizing than the current status quo.

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By jgaryhimself, September 28, 2011 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

@ Casey,

It is true that both Hedges and Paul see the ruinous nature of corporate power
in America and seek to end corporate welfare. The differences tend to stop
there. While Ron Paul does favor limiting our defense spending he is silent on
the atrocities our country commits in in its imperialist pursuits, even if that
means supporting torture of terror suspects or ethnic cleansing in the case of
Israel.

Economically, the differences are even more stark. Hedges supports a a welfare
state that ensures that basic human dignity - universal, single-payer
healthcare; properly funded schools; thorough redistribution of wealth; etc.
Hedges also strongly supports labor unions, institutions that give Paul a
headache. Fundamentally, Chris Hedges does not support Ron Paul because he
sees the Libertarian ideology for what it is: a philosophical excuse for
selfishness.

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By jgaryhimself, September 28, 2011 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

@ Casey,

It is true that both Hedges and Paul see the ruinous nature of corporate power in America and
seek to end corporate welfare. The differences tend to stop there. While Ron Paul does favor
limiting our defense spending he is silent on the atrocities our country commits in in its imperialist pursuits, even if that means supporting torture of terror suspects or ethnic cleansing in the case of
Israel.

Economically, the differences are even more stark. Hedges supports a a welfare state that ensures
that basic human dignity - universal, single-payer healthcare; properly funded schools; thorough
redistribution of wealth; etc. Hedges also strongly supports labor unions, institutions that give
Paul a headache. Fundamentally, Chris Hedges does not support Ron Paul because he sees the
Libertarian ideology for what it is: a philosophical excuse for selfishness.

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By AlanSmithee, September 28, 2011 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment
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“But notice how all of those various sorts of comments
all have the effect of telling people not to go join
the protests.”

Well, yeah, it’s a Democratic Party site.  No one at TD wants to lose their DP funding.  It’s mildly surprising they even allowed an article by Hedges.

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By Casey, September 28, 2011 at 7:58 am Link to this comment
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I would like to hear Chris speak more to the similarities and differences between what Chris espouses and what Ron Paul espouses. I agree with almost everything Chris says, and I’ve been a Ron Paul supporter for years. I don’t understand what is different about their messages and why we can’t see enough common ground between the RP crowd and the CH crowd to unite these two populations.

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By Change comes from the root, September 28, 2011 at 7:21 am Link to this comment
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Ever notice how people who are unmotivated and/or paranoid are always projecting their view onto everybody else?  To be unaware that positive change can and does occur one has to possess an ignorance of human society and human history that is nearly absolute.

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By Samson, September 28, 2011 at 6:29 am Link to this comment

Notice how on a site like this, a fair number of the
comments tell you to stay home and don’t get
involved.  You’ll hear how protests are always aimed
at the wrong targets.  You’ll hear strange lies about
how peaceful non-violent protesters are really
violent.  You’ll hear the enemy is too strong to
challenge.

But notice how all of those various sorts of comments
all have the effect of telling people not to go join
the protests.

Now, ignore them and go find out what’s really going
on for yourself in the only way possible. JOIN US!

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By Samson, September 28, 2011 at 6:26 am Link to this comment

Ya know, I understand Wall Street’s corporate owned
media not covering this.  But, with ‘Occupy’ protests
springing up and growing all across the country,
shouldn’t a site like Truthdig be giving this more
coverage.  I get the impression that if Chris Hedges
hadn’t gone to this personally, then these Occupy
protests would be completely uncovered on Truthdig.

The truth is out there.  Look for
—Occupywallstreet on facebook
—#occupywallstreet on twitter (try some other
spellings of ‘wallstreet’ like ‘wallst’ too
—OccupyTogether is a gathering point for all the
‘solidarity’ protests springing up around the
country.

Typing anything like this into Google leads to
interesting sites. 

Remember, the revolution will not be televised.  And,
apparently even the lefty-but-still-Democrat sites
like Truthdig don’t want to cover it either.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, September 27, 2011 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment
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Correct link to BBC report on the coming stock market crash.  “Millions in savings will be wiped out and that’s just the beginning”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqM3amj6AcE&feature=player_embedded

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By fearless, September 27, 2011 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment
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“Chris is embarrassing himself. This protest is filled
with violent and awful young white nerds who are
attending solely because they want to carry a sign with
words on it. Worthless postmodern kiddies. Compare to
what happened in Wisconsin earlier. A world of
difference.”

The ageist condescension directed at my generation is getting tiresome. I suppose the Wisconsin protests were better because they were led by a bunch of self-congratulating ‘boomers?

I wasn’t raised to snap back at my elders, and I don’t like doing it. But after 27 years of baseless ridicule and scapegoating, enough becomes enough. I have spent the greater part of my life working (19 years; 15 years manual labor) to support myself as I pressed through immoral and grotesquely competitive educational institutions (21 years). I have $80,000 in debt to show for a life spent trying please everyone else. If anything, I think that’s been my generation’s greatest flaw.

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By GW=MCHammered, September 27, 2011 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment
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King George was just sure he could squelch those 13 rebelling colonies. And Nixon tapes revealed that he feared college students rebelling on campus. These Wall Street occupiers show the true American spirit in its original form.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, September 27, 2011 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment

This is growing. At last count there are 44 ongoing, or soon to begin occupations of centers of money and power.

From LA, Chicago, Minneapolis…....

It is spreading.

See you soon Mr Hedges. Thank for your words of courage, integrity and truth.

Rock on.

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By TheEnd, September 27, 2011 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

The power-elite may not want movements like this to grow but rest assured, folks: they are not frightened.  They weren’t frightened when hundreds of thousands showed up year after year to protest the Iraq war, nor the weeks long epic struggle in WI, so they’re not quaking in their boots over a thousand unemployed people.  The power-elite will just keep beating and arresting people until people are tired of being beaten and arrested.  Even if every police officer refused to enforce “the law” the rulers have contingency plans for that: the national guard, the military, and mercenaries.

The Wall Street occupation is the right idea and I’m glad Chris and friends are trying, but the only frightened people in NYC at this point are the protestors.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, September 27, 2011 at 11:54 am Link to this comment
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“Governments don’t rule the world, Goldman Sachs rules the world”:
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=lqN3amj6AcE&feature=player_embedded

Goldman Sachs and others too big to fail have plans to benefit again from the coming crash.

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By Artsy, September 27, 2011 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

This TERRIFIC, brave young “Nerds” as some ignorant person called them are our only hope to maintain a shell of DEMOCKRACY. They our our kids, our best and brightest young people. They have every right to protest as they must to avoid the impending corporate slavery they will be forced to live in. At the very least, they deserve to be treated humanely by the corporate police state. The brutality they are being subjected to is WAY over the top. Someone must stop that. It makes me sick.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, September 27, 2011 at 11:19 am Link to this comment
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Gary Brumback @ 6:16
There was a Democracy Coalition.  It was known as the liberal class and it’s dead now.  All the kings horses and all the kings men…

Fear that any resistence will be crushed is exactly what they want us to feel.  “They want violence because that’s what they understand.  But this is something they don’t understand.”

I don’t see any difference between the people who organized resistence recently in Wisconsin and these people in the park.  They’re standing up to the same enemy, the same threat to our lives.  Denial is the religion of America and some people are beginning to move out of it.  That movement will grow.

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By Jim Shaw, September 27, 2011 at 9:52 am Link to this comment
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Don Weathers, you couldn’t be more wrong.

These young protesters are peaceful and have the highest ideals.

Check out this link if you want to see them for what they are:
http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

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By jak123, September 27, 2011 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

I can´t read minds but as I watch Chris Hedges talk in these videos, I realize that he sees the United States now in the same way he must have viewed the war-torn countries he covered for the NYT—a place where the bad guys are in control and the good guys are scattered and weak and you have to watch your back all the time. I never thought I would find myself agreeing with that assessment of the U.S. but on a gut level I know Hedges is right. “I´m living in a foreign country but I´m bound to cross the line.”

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By Gary Brumback, September 27, 2011 at 6:16 am Link to this comment

Mr. Hedges, ordinary Americans as much as Wall Street should be worried about spiralling, unguided, explosive street protests. The last thing we should want would be another bloody American Revolution. And make no mistake about it, the corpocracy would crush the revolutionaries to pulp. It would be ala Kent State killings on a massive scale.

What I call “two-fisted democracy power” is the only way to end the corpocracy before it ends America. What is this power? It sounds pugilistic. It isn’t. It’s just a powerful idea today, but it could be a powerful TKO of the corpocracy sooner than later in the future. One fist is a U.S. Chamber of Democracy, a super-coalition of united, not Lone Ranger, NGOs carrying out a grand strategy of political, judicial, and economic reforms. The other fist? The Democracy Coalition, a super coalition of 20 some segments of the populace to provide the political pressure behind the USCD. Wall Street antagonists, and I’m one, could be such a segment.But we would be applying politic pressure for systemic reforms being carried out by the USCD super coalition.  Think about it and look into it.

Gary Brumback
]http://www.uschamberofdemocracy.com]

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By Gabriel, September 27, 2011 at 3:40 am Link to this comment

Chris Hedges doesn’t have the resources to “finger” the guilty.

In order to finger the elites one must have the damaging info on them. To get this info one must dig deep to get at hidden and “numbered” investors whom hide behind many layers of deception. Only insiders or intruders/hackers can provide this info.

Federal Reserve = private corporation run by British interests

IRS = private corporation answers to British Admiralty Law interests

US of A = a private corporation based on Admiralty Law that has no jurisdiction outside of 10 square mile area called Washington DC. [US for A is the actual Land and Laws set by Deceleration of Independence and Constitution]

Homeland Security = a private corporation based out of and registered in Puerto Rico

Central Banks = most answer to Rothschild banking dynasty. It’s only a few that are government owned on this planet. China is one of the hold outs, Iran another and obviously the nefarious Vatican.

** If a Republic doesn’t have it’s own Sovereign Money and it’s own Sovereign Banks it’s screwed, it becomes just another country to be governed by a Royal “Count” or court jester.

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By Re-GZ0089, September 26, 2011 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

No, I think it’s best that he would show up, this is exactly the kind of thing he talked about in his books. Non-violent, anti-corporate movements to challenge the Power Elite.

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By Don Weathers, September 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment
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Chris is embarrassing himself. This protest is filled
with violent and awful young white nerds who are
attending solely because they want to carry a sign with
words on it. Worthless postmodern kiddies. Compare to
what happened in Wisconsin earlier. A world of
difference.

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By chuckwagoncharlie, September 26, 2011 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

Chris needs to use his journalistic abilities and finger the politicians who own stock in all the companies that have furnished the undeclared war machines. This goes deeper than sitting on a curb protesting the fat cats.
All the money from the bail outs from the Bush and Obama administrations went into someones pockets and it was not the tax payers.

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