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Posted on Feb 1, 2011
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Robert Scheer, Chris Hedges, David Sirota, Larry Gross and Scott Tucker go looking for America’s missing movement in this special collaboration between Truthdig and Pacifica’s KPFK.

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By Anarcissie, February 5, 2011 at 1:48 am Link to this comment

I would say, start at the top by stopping the wars and giving up the empire.  I think a lot of interesting things would fall out of that move.

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By D.R. Zing, February 4, 2011 at 11:57 pm Link to this comment

Speaking of dunderheads, made a few typos in my last post. 

*  “Review and discuss all foreign domestic aid…”
Meant to say “all foreign military aid…” it would also be good to review foreign aid and “earmark” it for public works; that is, demand that it must be be spent on public roads, public utilities, public schools, public health. 

* “No telling what will happen when the Gulf Stream current changes due to changes in salinity in temperature.”
Meant to say “...changes in salinity and temperature of the water.”  Pretty rude of me to call people dunderheads for not understanding an incomprehensible statement. 

Citations:
“...arm your bears, whatever the hell you want to do.”
Paraphrasing Robin Williams:  Live at Met: Comedy Faster Than a Speeding Bullet. Something like: “You have the right to bear arms or arm bears, whatever the hell you want to do.

“...how horrible it must be to have the mind of a cricket trapped in a matchbox.” 
Paraphrasing from the novel Grendel by John Gardner, The Dragon speaking to Grendel.

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By D.R. Zing, February 4, 2011 at 11:13 pm Link to this comment

To:  David J. Cyr,

“If it’s possible to rebuild a Left again that could become powerful in the United States, then lethal mistakes made in the past must not be made again.”  And the rest of the post.  Awesome. 

I think this is an excellent time for a third party. There are certainly enough wealthy progressives to fund it.

It would have to occur at the local state and national level.

Platform:

*  Break up the corporate news media. 

*  Libertarian at local level and at personal level (dope your smoke and arm your bears, whatever the hell you want to do).

*  All electric cars in 10 years.

*  Review and discuss all foreign domestic aid and not speak in the haiku of “we support” this or that country.

*  End the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan immediately.

*  Increase entitlements for war veterans who suffer from PTSD and debilitating physical injuries (yes, my dear dunderheads on the right, funds for war veterans come from entitlements; it ain’t all welfare mothers out there). 

*  Start massive public works projects for rebuilding public schools and feeding students in public schools something other than the shit they currently call food in public schools (may have to rephrase that one). More jobs for construction workers! 

*  Start massive public works project to start transcontinental high-speed rail project. More jobs for construction workers and high-techies!

*  Fund a public supercomputer that can do accurate climate modeling (not that expensive, but still around 15 billion bucks to get close to doing it right. Conservatives will hate this one because it will end all the crap about “global warming.”  It’s climate change, my dear simplistic knuckle dragging friends. It may get hot very fast, followed by getting cold very fast, interspersed with continent-sized storms.  No telling what will happen when the Gulf Stream current changes due to changes in salinity in temperature. I’m sorry you can’t comprehend. I cannot imagine how horrible it must be to have the mind of a cricket trapped in a matchbox). 

*  Massive citizens rights initiative to be free from audio advertising in public:  I don’t want to hear your mind-programming when I’m in airports, supermarkets, and hair salons (OK that one is personal. Does anyone else have a sensory integration disorder?). 

*  Pass a law saying that before allowing companies to merge—in any sector—we ask the question: Are we creating a company that will be “too big to fail”?  If so, no merger. 

*  White collar rights. Employees don’t have to join a union, but if it’s shown that a company systematically overworks it’s people by requiring overtime and denying vacation time, companies must track and pay all employees for past five years overtime and lost vacation. 

*  Any traders or group of traders or corporations engaging in “retaliatory trading”; that is, trading massive volumes of stock simply to punish a politician or a country for a political statement will lose the right to trade stocks or work for any company that trades stocks. Companies that commit the crime will have committed a corporate crime against humanity  

* Pass law saying corporations are not people (which they are no under current law). They do not have the right to free speech, for example.  IF that cannot be done, then capital punishment, the death penalty, must apply to corporations. Commit a corporate crime against humanity and your ass is grass. 

*  Your ideas here—

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By laurence tribe, February 4, 2011 at 9:20 pm Link to this comment
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Give communist Russia the credit for social security and the private megaBankers (the Federal Reserve Corporation)for creating the Great Depression that caused Amerika’s people to accept a SSN. We should be thankful it wasn’t a tatoo, but tracking people has since become an artform on its way to a science. Now you tell me the difference, at the people’s level, between being governed by one despot in league with the corporate entities, and the Washington 545 v. 300,000,000. plus or minus? I get it. They’re OUR despots.

 

 

 

 


for creating the Great Depression that caused all Americans to be numbered at birth. I have to admit that it beats a tatoo.

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By David J. Cyr, February 4, 2011 at 12:25 am Link to this comment

If it’s possible to rebuild a Left again that could become powerful in the United States, then lethal mistakes made in the past must not be made again.

Half of those eligible to vote don’t vote. That is where the potential for a new New Left is — among those people who do not vote. No “powerful” Left, nor even any adequate Left can be built from those who do vote, because 99% of the people who vote affirmatively participate in free-will supporting the Right. Those who support the corporate party’s candidates and candidates of other ballot lines wholly owned by the corporate party are not going to help build what they vote against. People who vote for more war every chance they get are not going to help rebuild the Left. People who vote against Single-Payer are not going to help rebuild the Left.

It was the “progressive” liberal Democrats who waged a most vicious and successful campaign of voter suppression against the Left. It was the Democrats who persuaded people that any vote against war and for Single-Payer was a “wasted” vote. It was the Democrats who persuaded people who said they didn’t want war to vote for more war. It was the Democrats who persuaded people who said they wanted Single-Payer to vote against having healthcare in America. It is the job of the Democrat faction of the corporate party to exterminate any Left that rises. That’s what the “progressive” Democrat liberals do. It is the “progressive” liberals who have ensured that elections can’t now possibly serve any useful purpose for the Left. It is those same “progressive” liberals, who always say that every action of the Left must be nonviolent, who have eliminated the Left’s nonviolent options. Republicans deserve no respect, but the devious fucking Democrats deserve every possibly disrespect.

The voter registration roles can be used to identify those who definitely can’t be trusted to help rebuild the Left. Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, and Working Families Party members all support the corporate state when they vote. Libertarians may not support the corporate state, but they definitely haven’t any Left in them either. Few of those registered “Independent” are actually independent. The “Independents” either choose to randomly choose between different factions of the corporate party, or they just don’t want the fascist faction that they regularly vote for to be always badgering them for more money. The Americans not thusly anti-Left registered to vote are the Americans who might possibly rebuild the Left.

If the young don’t rebuild the Left and have full control of it, then it won’t be anything worth rebuilding. The best thing their parents can do to help rebuild the Left is to die before they get any older.

The Violence of “Nonviolence” :

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=492&Itemid=1

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By Anarcissie, February 3, 2011 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment

Some of this discussion seems to have disappeared.

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By Anarcissie, February 3, 2011 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

Peggy Luhrs, February 3 at 5:57 am:

‘I guess our new left, like our old left, will be defined and led by all men. I guess there are no women who could talk about this issue. Oh well I maybe this will lead to revitalizing the women’s movement the way the old left helped women figure out that even in the revolution there would be male domination. That will be worth something.’

Actually, most of the people I know who are actually doing anything, besides bloviating on blogs or in front of small audiences consisting of choir members, are women.  Not all; most.

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By JDmysticDJ, February 3, 2011 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

DICTIONARY
change
Definition
1.
transitive and intransitive verb become or make different: to become different, or make something or somebody different
2.
transitive verb substitute or replace something: to exchange, substitute, or replace something
3.
transitive and intransitive verb pass from one state to another: to pass or make something pass from one state or stage to another
4.
transitive and intransitive verb remove clothes and put on others: to remove one or more articles of clothing and replace them with something else
5.
transitive verb remove and replace something: to remove something dirty or used and replace it with another that is clean or unused
6.
transitive and intransitive verb move from one vehicle to another: to get out of one vehicle or means of transportation and continue the journey in another
7.
transitive verb FINANCE exchange money for smaller units: to exchange a unit of money for an equal amount of money in lower denominations
8.
transitive verb FINANCE convert one currency into another:
9.
intransitive verb deepen: to become deeper in register ( refers to a boy’s voice )
10.
transitive and intransitive verb U.K. AUTOMOTIVE
Same as shiftv (sense 3)
NOUN
     
1.
making or becoming different: alteration, variation, or modification, or the result of this
2.
exchange or replacement: an exchange, substitution, or replacement of something or somebody
3.
variance from routine: a variance from a routine or pattern, especially a welcome one
4.
coins: coins collectively, especially coins of a small denomination
5.
money given back: 
6.
money exchanged for higher denomination:  7.
fresh set of something:
8.
transition from something: 
9.
MUSIC procedure for ringing bells: the order in which tuned bells are rung.
See also change ringing
10.
MEDICINE ( dated informal )
Same as menopause
NOUN
Word Key: Synonyms
change, alter, modify, convert, vary, shift, transform, transmute
CORE MEANING: to make or become different

change to become different, or make something or somebody different;

alter to make changes to something, especially to an aspect of something, or be changed or become different;

modify to make minor changes or alterations, especially in order to improve something;

convert to change something from one character, form, or function to another, or be changed in character, form, or function;

vary to change within a range of possibilities, or in connection with something else, or make something undergo such a change;

shift to change from one position or direction to another;

transform to change somebody or something completely, especially improving their appearance or usefulness, or to change in this way;

.
transmute to change something from one form, nature, or state to another, or be changed in this way;

Thesaurus
NOUN
Synonyms: alteration, modification, variation, transformation, revolution, conversion, adjustment, amendment, difference
Synonyms: coins, cash, loose change
VERB
Synonyms: alter, modify, vary, shift, revolutionize, adjust, amend
Synonyms: exchange, swap, replace, substitute, change over, trade, switch, convert, transform, transmute


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By JDmysticDJ, February 3, 2011 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

(Cont.)


I would be the very first to say that we need greater change, but to assert that there has been no change is an example of the infamous “Big lie” used so often by spurious propagandists, who believe that repeating the lie often enough will give it the perception of truth.

I would say that those who repeat this lie, over and over again, in spite of very real facts that bring the lie to their assertions are practicing sophistry, if it weren’t for the fact that their assertions are not in the least bit cleaver.


For example, the suggestion that what we have experienced is a mere minstrel show is a childish analogical falsehood, but more than being a mere falsehood, this assertion smacks of racism. Racism is insidious and even the most overt practitioners of racism will deny their racism because racism has been thoroughly discredited, in the popular perception, others may exhibit racism out of ignorance or insensitivity, but racism in its insidiousness prevails.


As a person who has long been perceived as being from the radical Left, it pains me to see this not so subtle racism exhibited from certain elements of the Left, but over and above this perception of racism, is my perception is that these miscreants from the Left are nihilistic in outlook, counter productive, and effectively counter revolutionary in action. I see them as being an idiotic fifth column that effectively serves the interests of the reactionary Right.

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By BR549, February 3, 2011 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

David J. Cyr, February 3 at 3:07 am
“Obviously, the half that couldn’t notice that the person they were talking to wasn’t the person they had just been talking to — because they were profoundly inattentive — were definitely “progressive” Democrats.”

I watched a lot of those. They were quite entertaining and very interesting, thank you. Once I became “prepared” for what to expect, I was getting about 90% and the English Whodoneit was the best. One site offered the following with respect to the tunnel vision aspect, “.... tunnel vision can be induced by a combination of high foveal cognitive load, a focused attention strategy, and stress.”
http://www.oepf.org/jbo/journals/14-4 Godnig.pdf

That would explain at least a good portion of the problem, at least cognitively, with respect to Change Blindness, only referring to the voters I might think that “Change Amnesia” would better fit.

But I disagree with you on it only being “progressive” Democrats being the problem. I very much agree with you on the issue of the 69,456,897 Democrat voters voting for a black-faced Bush. That is indisputable, but I would suggest that the Republican voters, those tried and seemingly true grain belt bible thumpers who had been led off their garden path ages ago and were STILL clinging for life
to what was left of the few once respectable tenets of the Republican ideals. They should just come out of the closet and call themselves for what they really are, the American Fascist Party, and get it over with. The Democrats, in turn, should proclaim themselves as the American Socialist Party. BOTH parties have ditched the words “republic” and “sovereignty” from their lexicons.

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By D.R. Zing, February 3, 2011 at 3:03 am Link to this comment

Alright, I was only able to sit through Scheer’s part of the PodCast (see multi-bit rate streaming video, Bob), but here’s my two bits.

I didn’t disagree with anything you said, but what you didn’t say is kind of an irritant.  Namely, why? Why have Wall Street bankers been able to take over?  Why is one part of the public so complacent and another part wanting to whack all public services? Why is Obama terrified of Wall Street? Why all this and not nationwide calls to cut defense spending during the last election? Why was the tea party, a wing of the Republican Party, able to hold rallies without the rallies being referred to as Republican Tea Party rallies? Why are people so brainwashed?

You know, Bob—you’ve read Jane Eyre right? I liked that book. I liked it a lot, even more the second time. Okay I was forced to read the damn book by two different sadistic professors but the point is:
 
* Crazy woman in the attic.
* Burning Down the House!
* The darkening of a good heart when forced to shelter and support a dangerous lunatic. 
* Living in a world where it is not acceptable to acknowledge mental illness.

I’m sorry to be outing you in front of everyone, Bob. But you’ve gotta drag that psycho witch out of your attic. 

And I understand why you don’t want to. I understand how you were abused. I understand how you were brainwashed.  You don’t want to talk about the crazy woman in the attic because you and all your journalism brethren have been abused and brainwashed to believe that if you put her on public display everyone will think you’ve all got a crazy woman living in the attic. 

You understand what I’m saying?  Of course you don’t!  He-he-he-ha-ha-ha.  You think I’m bat-shit crazy, but I’m not. 

The crazy woman in the attic is the television news media.  And you cannot even consider articulately going after it because you know—and I agree—that there are many great journalists, who care a great deal about this country, working in the television news media, and to go after the television news media with too wide of a brush would cast some lackluster pigments on many hard working, judicious journalists.

Screw that, Bob. 

Make the distinction. I’m okay with the journalists, and even though all journalists have it beaten into them that they are the victims, they are ones always attacked, they are the ones who never, never, never criticize journalism in public—it must always be up in the attic with the whacko—that’s exactly what you’ve got to do. 

Television news is out of control.  From the best to the worst—um, how to say this tactfully?—they all fucking suck.  The News Hour should be called the Pathological Liar Hour. Or the Actors Who Pretend To Be Commentators Who Pretend To Be Liberal or Conservative Journalists Hour, or simply The Turd Hour.  And FOX, well, that’s like taking shots at a psychopath who’s been locked in an attic for a quarter century.

The one guy, the one guy, who could really articulate, punctuate and penetrate with a progressive viewpoint, Keith Olberman, just got the high hard one courtesy of MSNBC’s new owner Comcast. 

And that is the problem.  And that is the answer to every question posed above.  Corporations that create news also cover news. Corporations that run the country also determine how their governing is covered.  Corporations that own media corporations have to be broken up before any of the change that you or Chris or David or anyone else wants can occur.   

And my apologies to The News Hour. I know you guys work hard. I know you mean well. You are the best. But you’re working in a league so extreme right, your feigned attempts at the middle ground are still far right.  I know you hear just the opposite from conservatives. Again, all apologies. Break up the corporate media and you will be able to once again see the middle ground. 

Goodnight and Good Luck.

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By Peggy Luhrs, February 3, 2011 at 12:57 am Link to this comment
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I guess our new left, like our old left, will be defined and led by all men. I guess
there are no women who could talk about this issue. Oh well I maybe this will lead
to revitalizing the women’s movement the way the old left helped women figure
out that even in the revolution there would be male domination. That will be
worth something.

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By David J. Cyr, February 3, 2011 at 12:06 am Link to this comment

In a reversal of the “Change Blindness” experiment, in 2008 the corporate party painted George W. Bush’s face black.

None of the 69,456,897 Democrat voters could see that Bush was still Bush, when he was painted black.

The Democrats flunked the “No Change Blindness” test too!

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By Sean01, February 3, 2011 at 12:01 am Link to this comment

Good stuff.  Seriously love Truthdig…

Sean
Leftista.com

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By David J. Cyr, February 2, 2011 at 10:07 pm Link to this comment

Half the people in this experiment didn’t notice the difference when a person they were talking to was exchanged with a different person.

See VIDEO “Change Blindness”:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/change-blindness.html

Obviously, the half that couldn’t notice that the person they were talking to wasn’t the person they had just been talking to — because they were profoundly inattentive — were definitely “progressive” Democrats.

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By Travis F. Smith, February 2, 2011 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

That’s sometimes true.

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By laurence tribe, February 2, 2011 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment
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I’m an old guy(81), a lame duck in the scheme of things, who, having little to lose and not much time in which to gain, writes a newsletter that hasn’t much good to say about either major political party. I recently quoted at length retired reporter, Charlie Reese, whose observations should resonate to the unbrainwashed Republicans and Democrats. “Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. Have you ever won-dered, if both Democrats and Republicans are against deficits,why do we have deficits? Have you ever won-dered,if all politicians are against inflation and high taxes, why do we have inflation and high taxes?”

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By Connie Tolleson, February 2, 2011 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment
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Tropicgirl,
Could we have a week long strike during Women’s Week?  March 12, right?  The whole world should just stop: and no sex, no cooking-a fast- until women and the men who love them feel that things are redefined in terms that please them.

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By Inherit The Wind, February 2, 2011 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

Angels?

Sky Pilot flying high!

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By BR549, February 2, 2011 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment

Patriot10101,
I think where we went wrong was in assuming that taking an oath actually meant something; that those assuming office were legally, fiscally, morally, ethically, spiritually, and philosophically bound to exercise their office with honesty and deserving of the public trust.

Instead, while the public was believing that a new threshold in the governance of man was being crossed, the Tories and Federalists were too busy pulling a bait and switch, laughing it up thinking the population to be a bunch of chumps. “Oh, those silly Colonists, they’ll believe anything.”

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Personally, I don’t believe angels had any part of the taking of (or should I say the slaughter at) Jericho. Let’s forget for a moment that “civilized” people had been living there in Jericho for 9,000 years PRIOR to Joshua ever showing up, and that Cro-magnon and Neanderthal remains dated within that migrational corridor back to 80,000 years ago, it stretches the imagination to think that just because Abraham, who was originally from Chaldea (Iraq) and only one generation before Joshua, was in any way justified in assuming that the region belonged to “his people” unless it was just another murderous blood bath in taking over the lands that had belonged to another tribe. What exists that should have us believe anything differently? It wasn’t just men and women, but the babies as well, all there in the excavation record.

BTW, I don’t believe angels would have had anything to do with such a slaughter; it’s just another way for humans to convince themselvces, like Bush trying to get everyone to believe that God was on our side in Iraq, that the demons of the human ego know no bounds and that we can do anything as long as we just say that God told us to do it, no matter how ghastly.

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By BarbieQue, February 2, 2011 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

BR549 wrote stuff at February 2 at 6:23 pm


what to say but “perfect”

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By winsome1, February 2, 2011 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

Thank you, Robert Scheer, for your passion.

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By bpawk, February 2, 2011 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

You had your chance with ralph nader et al but you squaundered it on the democrats - you cowardly voted democrat and now you only have yourselves to blame! Obama knows it and so he can act anyway he chooses as long as he’s not a right-wing fascist like the Republicans (although he’s close).

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By Inherit The Wind, February 2, 2011 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

LOL, JD!

Isn’t this thread a rehash of the one on Ear?

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By Ed, February 2, 2011 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment
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The left DOES have power in the U.S. For the most part it was US who dealt the blow to the Democrats last fall, not the Tea Party. See Richard Greener’s article at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greener/dont-listen-to-the-media_b_778629.html
But this hasn’t help us to advance our agenda, unless you believe Obama learned from this and is really going to focus on job creation now. I’ll believe it when I see it.
So what do we do? I think we need a party to the left of the Democrats. The Reform and Libertarian parties took the plunge, and the result was that they helped hand power to Bill Clinton. Then Nader and the Greens handed power to Bush. So I think there are three options. A: Coordinate our actions with the sincere forces on the right and form third AND fourth parties at the same time. Or B: Form a “Restore Democracy” coalition with the sincere forces on the right and form one anti-corporate third party, with the limited goal of restoring democracy and the Constitution. That done, the party splits and we have “free and fair” elections. Or C: Concentrate on forming community. Since we are a minority, this would mean progressives and socialists “voting with our feet” and becoming a social and political force in one city or state, and leading by example. This would also incorporate the labor union organizing strategy, but in a limited area where our people and resources are concentrated. Whaddaya think?

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By David J. Cyr, February 2 at 3:48 pm

“…whatever means necessary…” covers a lot of ground. That ground has been identified by you from previous links you have offered.

When patriotic fools from both ends of the political spectrum start flooding the tree of liberty with each other’s blood, and the blood of their identified tyrants, I will be ducking for cover. I’m hoping that only David J. Cyr fools ascribe to such a method of irrigating liberty, and that they will be recognized as being criminally foolish fools, by all the other fools; the “intelligent fools,” as well as the “ignorant fools.”

It’s hard to take you seriously; you appear to be the most foolish of foolhardy fools.

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By Lafayette, February 2, 2011 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

We will not be herded any more, onto the streets, for the odd combination of self-interested movements that is now called “the left”.

Mindless tosh.

It is evident that you would neither recognize nor understand The Left if it bit you on the nose. You confuse Totalitarian Communism with Social Democracy.

For a purpose that suits you, of course. Socialism is the devil’s workshop, isn’t it.

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By ElkoJohn, February 2, 2011 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

Great program.
In my opinion when we have another 1930’s Great Depression in the US
then and only then will the folks take to the streets
and give us another opportunity
to transform greed-is-good, profits at any cost, too big to fail
non-competitive, government sponsored corrupt capitalism
into something else—
which allows for free enterprise and gives folks the opportunity to own their own
business, or work for Walmart and still have decent housing, food & education,
with a humane social safety net as needed & human rights for all.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, February 2, 2011 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

For the record folks.

I actively choose to not engage with right wing fruitloops. I am not here to have
a “debate” and try and score cheap political points. I do not need to google any
facts about our government and what money they provide to other countries.

This is why I have have no plan to engage with these rightwing fruitloops. There
is no point. They do not respond to facts and they are, quite frankly idiots and
traitors to this country and the Democratic Republic for which it stands.

David Cyr

I will also refuse to give up. Sure, most “liberals” (read that middle class,
comfortable Democratic Party apologists) re worse than useless.

Chris Hedges has made that case, over and over. I work with people who GET
IT.
Who understand just how serious things are and are willing to do the needed
work and organizing to build an actual democracy. That number is growing.

The bloggers are blogging what is going on in Egypt.

The people are doing something.

Let the bloggers, blog away to their hearts content. It keepps them out of the
way.

The Revolution Will Not Be Blogofied.

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By LT, February 2, 2011 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment
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First thing’s first. To even begin a new movement, you have to completely remove yourselves from the fate of the Democratic Party.

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By M L, February 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment
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Education and communication resolves all problems. Educate the masses and your movement will come. Truth has a power of its own and we can depend on Robert Scheer, Chris Hedges, David Sirota, Larry Gross and Scott Tucker for the “truth”

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By BR549, February 2, 2011 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

We we won’t have any Republican Party as long as that group of closet fascists continues to co-opt that moniker so that the average voter never learns or understands what having a true republic as a form of government really means.

And we won’t have ANY Left at all as long as the current Democratic Party continues to operate as the warm and fuzzy half of that excuse for a Republican Party. No wonder the voters are so confused.

All this hype over terrorism could be brought to a screeching halt if members of the three branches of government would remember the oaths they took and embraced the Constitution. We could get rid of the stupid, mindless ball games and endless train of reality shows and instead have explanations to the population of what our government was supposed to be, giving a chance for people to become a part of something again. And as long as these guys started telling the truth, who cares if they stay in office? Just ‘fess up and don’t let it happen again.

They can all keep their jobs, but just tell the truth, adhere to the founding documents, and start holding investigations and war crimes trials. It would be amazing to see how much the population would start nurturing each other instead of feeling so isolated from society.

The problem is that the globalists parasitically FEED on fear and chaos, and they don’t want ANY part of anyone learning the truth or helping to get that truth out if it would possibly jeopardize their stolen positions at the top of the food chain.

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By tropicgirl, February 2, 2011 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

This is not political apathy. It is mistrust of the left from all directions. We will not be herded any more, onto the streets, for the odd combination of self-interested movements that is now called “the left”.

“The left” utterly failed in resolve to oppose the war. (thanks OBanana)

“The left” jammed one expensive, dishonest bill after another, through the legislature.

“The left” PRESS utterly failed with regard to 911 truth, leaving civilized society on a trajectory toward a police state.

“The left” has become a Soros tool, a serpent with talking “points”. A soldier for progressivism.

I can’t think, anymore, of why exactly the left should be powerful.

The single thing that would revive the left, the anti war movement, will not happen again in our lifetime, for the sole reason that the “professional left” will not go against the globalists, who depend upon endless war and who are causing it.

Instead, they will perpetuate this ridiculous left-right, democrat-republican schoolyard squabble, completely and utterly missing the point of why things are the way they are.

I dare them. Won’t happen. O Stupid being the biggest globalist. A veritable Goldman Sucks AMBASSADOR of globalism, to the Muslims (next victims).

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By ys-wy, February 2, 2011 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

Looking at the future and present.
Pharmacopia World.
Nature World struggles.
Utopia . . never.

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By Lafayette, February 2, 2011 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

POLITICAL APATHY

TG: I understand the idea that only when large numbers of people are experiencing the worst their society has to offer will change occur

I wish I could believe that remark. It would give a semblance of hope.

But I fear that even desperate anguish will not do the trick. Because people are inured to the facts though the truth is readily available (and can be seen here). I would like to think that if they knew the truth, they would indeed be motivated to spark change.

But the political apathy in this country is bewildering to behold.

The working-class in America is in narcosis. After all, discounting unemployment, the vast majority of Americans are earning a living. Their only anguish is that they might be next to lose a job.

As the saying goes: A recession is when your neighbor loses their job. A depression is when you lose your job.

So as soon as the prevailing economic winds fill the economy’s sails, all the wailing and gnashing of teeth will disappear like the morning dew.

Household incomes have not improved in more than a decade, nor will they improve by just adding jobs. Wages will remain fairly stagnant and so will incomes; except for a highly privileged few.

Even with nearly full employment (say 5% unemployment) Jack ‘n Jill America will not see much improvement in their lifestyle. We are trying to get back to the “good ole days”, when those days are gone forever. It is a Brave New Global World out there and we must try much harder for our share of the pie.

MY POINT

The Problem: Regardless of outcomes, most middle-class Americans will continue to be ripped-off in the most immoral fashion by an almost minuscule percentage of the population. (As the economic research linked above starkly demonstrates.)

The Solution: The only way to change the Income Unfairness is to inflict upon the upper-income brackets much heavier taxation; which is then redistributed further down the income ladder; for instance, in a viable, low-cost Public Health System.

That day will be very long in coming.

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By Connie Tolleson, February 2, 2011 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment
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You can’t have a strong left until women are involved.  And women’s issues have not been articulated clearly enough to get them involved. Perhaps you should consider having a woman or two writing with you.
Ha, Ha, Ha.  That isn’t what the Left is about, its really just so men can have two sides to their pissing contests

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By Lafayette, February 2, 2011 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

Robert Scheer, Chris Hedges, David Sirota, Larry Gross and Scott Tucker go looking for America’s missing movement

By this, one gathers you mean Uncle Sam’s Silent Minority? ;^)

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By Tobysgirl, February 2, 2011 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

We will not have a democracy movement in the United States until far more people are suffering. I realize that is a horrible thing to say, but from everything I have observed in my life, it is the unbearable truth.

A friend who calls herself an anarchist is still supporting Obama. Prior to the election, none of the people I know who voted for him had the slightest interest in his advisors. Yesterday the “anarchist” told me she did not recognize the names of Robert Rubin or Brzezinski. Unbelievable! What do all these Obama voters/supporters have in common? They are not suffering, and apparently they do not remember ever having suffered or their supposed sympathy with those who are suffering.

I am not a Trotskyist, but I understand the idea that only when large numbers of people are experiencing the worst their society has to offer will change occur (see Tunisia, Egypt, etc). As Moore said in Sicko, only when more middle-class people lose insurance will we have national health care. So we get the health insurance bill to make sure that doesn’t happen.

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By Bill, February 2, 2011 at 11:09 am Link to this comment
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It is great that so many here are quite well informed, so well they can point out how ever body else has it wrong, with one exception, themselves.

So refreshing and helpful indeed.

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By David J. Cyr, February 2, 2011 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

Whenever “progressives” assemble in a New “Left” they just MoveOn to a New Right.

Obviously, The Solution can’t be democracy, because there are too many Democrats.

Fascist societies freely allow “fair” elections if the people reliably always elect fascists.

The corporate state wouldn’t allow elections if the liberals didn’t force the “ignorant” fools to vote for Republicans, and the conservatives didn’t force the “intelligent” fools to vote for Democrats.

For the children of the corporate obedient Boomers to have a future worth having they must find a way — by whatever means necessary — to kill the cancer that the corporate state is, before it kills all of humanity.

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By prisnersdilema, February 2, 2011 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

The idea of a powerful left will be frighting to most Americans, because it’s associated
with special interest groups Americans abhor. This is what the left never understands,
the lefts social agenda has been just as destructive to this country as the rights.
Americans caught in between the gears of these lunatic parties have been torn to
shreds. The left has given the right concessions for years so that it can promote some of
them. Yet those very same concessions have alienated them from the people. However
in truth the country is now so far to the right that, the middle is now seems like the left of
a few decades ago. Winning independent voters and keeping them is the only thing that
will bring the Democratic party back, not turning into Republican light, as OJama is doing
now. Unless there is real financial reform, it will be the end of this country. So
eliminating the predatory lending regulations would e a very bad idea. Can you Imagine
where we would be now if Bush had succeeded in reforming social security and putting
it in the stock market? Yet the goons who rule us want to do just that, even now after all
thats happened. They are still in charge. We need a million man militia march on Wall
Street.

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By Carl, February 2, 2011 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

The American left has been corrupted, with the exception of a few like Scheer, who see that Obama is the key problem. Obama is an extreme right-winger who hides behind his faux “liberal” label, which Fox provides. Any leftward movement will fail unless if denounces Obama as a fraud and backs someone else for 2012, like George Clooney. It must also purge itself of the very unpopular anti-worker pro-corporate stance in favor of mass illegal immigration and another amnesty.

But then someone claims an even more extreme right wing Republican will get elected. Good, at least he will be an honest con man, so the left can rally the people for another try. That is how Jimmy Carter got elected.

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By Lafayette, February 2, 2011 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

MC: That my people, the Irish were at the forefront of the struggle for Palestinians.

Huh? When? Where?

Classic example of hyperbole modulated to fit the occasion.

I then pointed out that the US government, our government had aided the Mubarak regime with $1.8 BILLION a year.

And how much Military Aid went to Israel (because that is the number being quoted). I’ll spare you the google-search. It was $2.8 billion.

The aid packages go back to when Carter got the two countries to sign a peace treaty, to which Mubarak, regardless of his numerous other failings, did not fail to adhere.

Yes, nontheless, it’s time for this Egyptian pharaoh to go.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, February 2, 2011 at 5:40 am Link to this comment

There was a rally in St Paul, Minnesota today. The temperature was about zero
degrees. Minus 5 with wind chill.

The rally was in support of the people of Egypt. At one point I asked if I could
address the crowd. They willingly handed me over the microphone.

I started with a few chants. From Egypt to Palestine. Freedom Now-It Is Our
Time.

I then spoke to the crowd as an Irish American. How the Irish had also lived
with oppression, Imperialism, Colonialism. That my people, the Irish were at
the forefront of the struggle for Palestinians. This drew a large cheer from the
crowd.

I then pointed out that the US government, our government had aided the
Mubarak regime with $1.8 BILLION a year. That it did not matter if Bush was
president or Obama. That it did not matter if there were Republicans or
Democrats in Office or Congress. This drew many nods of agreement.

I spoke on the fact that the US government did not want democracy in Egypt,
Palestine, Tunisia, Tanzania. Or indeed here in the US. I then thanked the
people of Egypt for showing us, in the United States how to do it. How to start
and build a democracy movement here.

This drew another large cheer.

We need a democracy movement here in the United States.

Because if we were to be honest with ourselves, we do not have democracy, an
actual representative democracy here.

And signing petitions or calls to “call your Congressperson” will not give us one.

So let us start to talk of building a democracy movement.

Right here in the good old US of A.

IMPEACH OBAMA

CHRIS HEDGES FOR PRESIDENT

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By Steve E, February 2, 2011 at 5:27 am Link to this comment

Excellent RayLan, it is the economy. Concentrate on stopping all the rip offs from
the Fed on down, and especially the banks. On top of all that, you would get votes
from many conservatives and many not so wacky Repugs. Plus start putting the
bent financial wizards in jail. No more just paying fines for fraud.

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By RayLan, February 2, 2011 at 4:00 am Link to this comment

From what I could gather, the Left are more likely to be successful if they don’t allow themselves to be taken hostage to social program agendas and take the oligarchy head on. Protest, Resist Protest Resist.
It’s the economy stupid. Chris doesn’t see much hope in effecting change through the formal political channels - hence the physical demonstrations. The Dems should at least be held accountable for their fraudulent claims of being a liberal party.

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By MarthaA, February 2, 2011 at 3:52 am Link to this comment

The Left’s Social Security must not be messed with for it has provided a great benefit to many of the Common Populace since its inception, although it has been the Right’s dream to destroy Social Security, war for Right-Wing profit must not be allowed to replace Social Security.

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By SteveL, February 2, 2011 at 12:50 am Link to this comment

Might consider taking back the language first.  Social Security is not social security it is Social Security Insurance.  Social security insurance Privatization?  Social Security Insurance already is private between you and the Social Security Administration.  Throwing your insurance policy into the stock market (what the right calls privatization) does not sound as good.
                                               
The debt crisis should be referred to as a taxation crisis.  Unpaid tax cuts for the wealthy,  qualified dividends and capital gains taxed at a 15% rate (same as those making $15,000 or less).  Bet you will never hear mainstream press and media mention this.

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