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By Ed Romano, April 16, 2012 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment

BRS 49, I accidently subnmitted the foregoing before I was finished….Lots of typos I’m sure. But you should be able to get the gist. I get a little tired going over this territory decade after decade. Onward.

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By Ed Romano, April 16, 2012 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

BRS 49,  It seems we agree on the need for in depth change. My understanding of government and our economic system difers from yours. However, I don’t consider myslef a purist. I would be happy to live with an accomodation that limited the rapacity of capitalism…..that brought the system under control to the point where the well being of the majority was the first concern. ( There are very few examples )I think it is, or should be important,however, to know what we are dealing with. Otherwise we will be rumbling around in a building without any foundation.
.....In an exploitative society the government cannot serve equally the interests of the exploiters and the exploited. Governments, with rare exceptions,
always been, and remain, the tool of the exploiting class. That ruling class is always the dominant economic class…...The exposition required to lay this out to the point where we might have a fruiitful dialog would take much too long in this forum. But the wedding of economic power with political power produces a system akin to the on Al Capone headed in Chicago some years ago. Capone’s system was a model of efficiency.It was his genius to form the disparate criminal principalities of the city into one, efficient organization. The extraction of wealth always proceeds better when this condition prevails. He was the Garabaldi of American crim. Within his organization therev was a system of law, a system of rewards and punishments. and a measure of social mobility. Capone even had his own “foriegn policy ” for dealing with loacl, state and federal officials. He instituted a method of propagnada to convinnce the people of the city that he was actually a benefactor as when, during the Depression, he set up free soup kitchens for the unemployed.
  Capone’s system was a marvel of efficiency and produced enormous wealth. What he created was, in fgact, a model state, differing from so called legitimate governments only in so far as he did not set up an educational system   to impose his illusions on children and was nore forthright about his purposes. Big Al brutally eliminated all opposition, but bhe did not wrap himself in a flag and talk about freedom while he was doing it as out “legitimate” politicans do.

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By diman, April 16, 2012 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

Blame the public!!!

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By BR549, April 16, 2012 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

Ed Romano, April 16 at 10:37 am
“...governments are instituted to serve the needs of the economic ruling class. Twas ever thus.”

I’m inclined to agree with your statement in part, although I believe that a few of the forefathers had other plans in mind. Granted that many of them did in fact own slaves, but the evolutionary path that the Constitution had taken; from the Mayflower Compact in 1620, the Articles of Confederation of the United Colonies of New England in 1643, the Albany Plan of Union in 1754, the Articles of Confederation in 1781, and finally our own Constitution in 1787; these were all part of an evolution. The mid to later ones were also heavily influenced by Locke.

Governments need to be constantly watched because even back during colonial times, they knew of the propensity for social parasites to congregate, pontificate, and subjugate. So many people in government believe our Constitution has become outdated, yet the truth is that it has been an obstacle to the elitists even through its entire evolution and, more to the point, it never was lived into. So insidious was the corrupt banking influences that Woodrow Wilson would eventually express his sadness for having sold his country out to the banks. And it was something that Jefferson had SPECIFICALLY warned us about.

Government was meant to be small ...... on purpose. Another thing Jeffereson supported was the rapid education of the population so that they could become more useful contributors to this grand experiment. It is of no surprise then to realize that we are into roughly a 100 plan to intentionally dumb down the population so that they don’t have enough warm gray matter present to tie their shoes, let alone challenge how their legislators had been corrupting the system.

I still don’t believe that capitalism is the evil here; it is the lack of spiritual connection by enough members of any population to effect a change for the worse, whether it be a dictatorship, monarchy, plutocracy, or what have you, that is the evil. Perhaps Godlessness is the real problem, since if everyone were truly living into the higher ideals of their respective religion, we’d be nurturing ethnic differences and nationalities instead of castigating people for being different. The real world is what we make it and I choose to project a higher ideal than the feudalistic model embraced by the cerebral sloths we have in Washington.

My two cents, again, but I did enjoy your reply.

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By Ed Romano, April 16, 2012 at 11:37 am Link to this comment

BRS. Appreciate your thoughtful post, but I disagree that capitalism is a neutral force only to be made into a terminal illness when it is corrupted. Allow me to express what I believe. Capitalism is an evil in itself because it allows some people to gain and enhance their well being at the expense of others. I sense that we are agreed that the problem is dire, but I think we are not agreed on the depth of the problem. For example,you say that the mess we are in is because government “fails to meet the needs of the people”. But my education and belief is that the VERY REASON why governments don’t meet the needs of the people, is because they are NOT instituted for that purpose, at least not any more than is necessary to to keep the rabble pacified….governments are instituted to serve the needs of the economic ruling class. Twas ever thus.

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By BR549, April 16, 2012 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

Ed Romano, April 16 at 4:02 am
“Before capitalism can be “controlled”....citizens must see it for the death dealing thing that is is…...”

I can’t argue with that, but I will say that until we outgrow our genes, some level of competition or striving will always continue to haunt us, particularly when disconnected members of any society only see themselves in their winning formula. It takes vision to see beyond the potential for human evil, and it takes guts, discipline, and compassion for others to go beyond that. Capitalism is not the ogre here, corruption is, and that can creep into any form of government when the leader(s) fail to address the needs of the people. It would be like the brain deciding that it had the most important job in the body and then having all the nutrition sent to itself. Sooner or later the rest of the body either atrophies or collapses altogether ...... and that is where this class of self-appointed elites is taking us.

Capitalism doesn’t have to be a four letter word, but on the same token, unless corruption is addressed, that disconnection from a larger philosophical ideal, no party or form of government is safe from this problem; not even reducing the nations of the world to feudalism under the excuse of having to save the planet as the globalists are trying to force down everyone’s throat. Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” wasn’t about the global warming issue, it was whether or not he and his cronies could posture themselves in time to further amass their fortune and get the rest of a gullible planetary population thinking that his people could or would in any way possess the ability to do anything about it beyond carbon taxing everyone on the process. Kicking natives off their land so that industry could cheat its environmental responsibility is NOT quite what the rest of us had in mind. Perhaps we should allow the indigenous populations decide what should become of these large corporations.

The globalists’ only hope is to keep themselves in power and to hell with the “cattle” you and I might call friends and family.

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By pundaint, April 16, 2012 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

Can Americans be moved out of our coma without an event?  And if there was
an event would not the corporate press report it as cause for more regulation of
the people and freedom for corporations?

If we follow up 8 Democratic years of increasing military to domestic spending,
and corporate excess and increasing governmental secrecy followed by 8
Republican years of War, increasing military to domestic spending and
corporate excess and more secrecy, followed by 4 more years of Democratic
increasing War, increasing military to domestic spending, and corporate excess
and the most governmental secrecy to date, with either a ratifying of the
Democratic direction or changing the policy label back to Republican, then
America is over.

Remember America is designed to be a government of by and for the People. 
We’ve allowed that to become a joke to be sneered at by our leaders.  Take Our
country back from these Usurpers, Americans!

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By Ed Romano, April 16, 2012 at 5:02 am Link to this comment

Before capitalism can be “controlled”....citizens must see it for the death dealing thing that is is…..And since the majority of citizens in the US have been taught to believe that capitalism is the next best thing to a cheesebuger you can expect it to be brought under control about the same time the moon trades places with the sun.

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By diamond, April 16, 2012 at 2:43 am Link to this comment

“If you don’t understand Libertarianism, don’t comment on it.”

What I know about free market, de-regulation, libertarian crackpots is this:

1.In 1998 Brooksley Born (Clinton administration) tried to regulate derivatives. Larry Summers, Greenspan and the usual suspects went ballistic. Then the slavering lapdogs in the Congress passed a law that derivatives could NOT be regulated. Unregulated derivatives were one of the main reasons for the global financial crisis.

2. In 2005 at a finance conference attended by the central bankers of the world, the Chief Economist of the IMF, Raghuram Rajan presented a paper entitled ‘Has Financial Development made the World Riskier?’ Rajan’s answer was ‘yes, it has’. Larry Summers called Rajan a ‘luddite’. Rajan told the financiers that while they claimed to have found a way to make more profit with less risk (and zero regulation) in fact they were making more profit with more risk and that risk could easily turn deadly and cause a ‘catastrophic meltdown’ of the entire economic system.

3. Goldman Sachs bought at least $22 billion of Credit Default Swaps from AIG. They knew this was huge and AIG could go bankrupt so they spent millions of dollars insuring themselves against AIG’s possible bankruptcy. In 2007 Goldman Sachs started selling products which were specifically designed to fail: the more money their customers lost, the more money they made.

4. The ratings agencies (all three of them) earned huge sums of money giving products like this AAA ratings. Moodys quadrupled its profits between 2000 and 2007 doing just that. Bear Stearns was rated AA a month before its collapse. Lehman Bros was AA within days of collapsing. AIG was AA within days of collapsing.

5.In February 2008 at the G20, Christine Lagarde told Hank Paulson that a tsunami was coming their way and he was arguing about which swimsuit to wear. He told her it was all ‘under control’.

6. According to George Soros the financial industry has corrupted the teaching of economics in universities to such an extent that economics academics are now little more than advocates for de-regulation and other forms of libertarian madness. Before the GFC these academics were silent and after the GFC they fought reform tooth and nail and are still fighting it, not only in America but in Britain and Europe.

7. Martin Feldstein, an economist with an academic background was Reagan’s chief economic advisor and is a de-regulation zealot. He was on the board of directors of both AIG and AIG financial products which paid him millions of dollars. Larry Summers who played such a prominent role in de-regulating derivatives became president of Harvard.

8. For the first time in history Americans are less prosperous and less well-educated than their parents and poverty is at a fifty year high.

9. It took $700 billion of taxpayer money to bail out the banks. The same banks that could not and would not be regulated by those same taxpayers.

And they have the libertarians to thank for all of it. You may think America is a democratic republic but the truth is America is neither democratic nor a republic and hasn’t been for a long time.

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By BR549, April 15, 2012 at 10:32 pm Link to this comment

diamond, April 15 at 5:41 pm
“Clinton didn’t create this but the globalization-obsessed, libertarian, free market idiots that dominate every aspect of America’s political and economic life, whoever is president, did.”

Whoa, time out. Clinton is in this as deep as anyone. Why don’t you throw Santa Claus and the Easter bunny in there too? If you don’t understand Libertarianism, don’t comment on it. The problem with our democratic republic has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats; only corrupt Republicans and corrupt Democrats. Corruption will corrupt any form of government when those at any level of the ladder lose sight of their own unique part in keeping the system viable. If at any point, too many people lose sight of the common goal, and too many start taking chinks out of the collective armor, the system will collapse. And as far as anyone being globalization- obsessed, I would recommend you reading Daniel Estulin’s Book, “The Bilderburg Group”. It seems that, despite the Logan Act, Sec. 953, we’ve had a long list of politicians who, for decades, have conveniently failed to understand where their national loyalties lie. These traitors, quite literally, have routinely attended meetings where, while they wear their cute little American flag lapel pins, have been secretly signing agreements to “harmonize” the US into the United Nations’ regulatory system. Codex Alimentarius was one such nightmare, and while you’re on the learning curve, try making sense out of why the exposure levels for chlordane, lindane, aldane, and DDT were conveniently reintroduced into the American farming plan after having been all but eradicated after decades of protests and cancer deaths.

This “harmonization”, so easily adopted by both the Bush and Clinton families, as well as Obama, and a long list of corruptible US and foreign politicians, had originally called for the dissolution of the US Constitution by 2010 according to the Trilateral Commission’s objective, but because of the internet’s rapid communications capabilities, the timetable had to be revised as people were waking up too fast. Apparently not fast enough.

The globalists have only one thing on their mind; that is, as Estulin tells of author Holly Sklar, “long before the term [globalization] became a buzzword ...... global interdependence between the Big Three economic world powers “allows the rich to safeguard the interests of Western capitalism in an explosive world - probably by discouraging protectionism, nationalism, or any response that would pit the elites of one against the elites of another. The anticipated economic pressures will be deflected downward rather than laterally.”

While I do believe that we have been poor stewards of this dear planet, we have to remember that it is the elites who have continually thrown us into unnecessary wars and rather than promote a world of peace for all, all they have cared about was posturing themselves to reap fortune at every turn in the economic road. As they became richer, they paid no attention to the managerial mess they left behind. Now they want to down-populate the planet after they have milked what they could from it. Once we take all the cute fluffy frosting off the “Agenda-21” nightmare, the true implications get ugly; very ugly indeed.

The Bush family is in this so deep it is pathetic, and right behind them is the Clinton family, and that dandy Al Gore, all fully sanctioned, of course, by the Rockefeller family. With that understanding, how does it feel to be played like a flute? Personally, having taken an oath of service some 40 years ago, I, like many of my fellow servicemen, still remember that part that addresses “all enemies, foreign and domestic”.

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By Shenonymous, April 15, 2012 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

As long as men run countries, there will be corruption.  For by
what device would it be avoided, men being the greedy, envious,
beasts that they are?

And we, all 311,591,917 of us, must have a government.  So yes
there has to be regulation, but it must be done with mind not emotion.
Albert G. Milbank is a good place to start.  Robert D. Putnam is another.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

Mixed economies have shown time an again to be the most stable an best for the those countries an their populations. Social safety nets an controlled Capitalism. Best of both as long as it isn’t corrupted as it has been here. Corruption leads to social destruction.

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By Ed Romano, April 15, 2012 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

I stand corrected again by another Pope.

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By diamond, April 15, 2012 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment

You can blame Clinton for anything you take it into your head to blame him for but you can’t blame him for the global financial crisis. The global financial crisis cost $20 trillion and resulted in millions of people all over the world losing their homes and jobs. But if you want to understand how it happened you need to look at Iceland. What happened in Iceland from 2000 on has been called the ‘purest experiment in de-regulation in history’- the exact system that Ron Paul wants to foist on to the unsuspecting voters of America.

Iceland had three banks which had never even traded outside of Iceland before but these banks were able to borrow $120 billion and to operate in ways which were quite simply illegal.In the process they trashed one of the most prosperous and stable economies in the world. One third of all the auditors in Iceland went to work for THESE BANKS. Anyone from the outside world who came to inspect the banks’ dealings found 19 SUVs parked outside the bank and inside a phalanx of 19 lawyers who worked for the bank waiting to explain how well the bank was doing and what pillars of legal rectitude they were. While all this was going on companies like Alcoa were out in the pristine Icelandic wilderness blowing the shit out of mountain peaks and destroying the environment. American accounting firms gave all three banks a clean bill of health and American ratings agencies did the same. It wasn’t until 2008 that the crap hit the fan but when it did the Icelandic bankers who had created this disaster by going on a de-regulated crime spree took their money and fled to England where they live in luxury to this day and have never so much as sniffed the inside of a jail cell.  Clinton didn’t create this but the globalization-obsessed, libertarian, free market idiots that dominate every aspect of America’s political and economic life, whoever is president, did. If you really want to understand what this crime wave is all about watch ‘Inside Job’ which won an Academy Award for best documentary and details every aspect of what went on. They don’t seem to think Clinton did it.

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By Shenonymous, April 15, 2012 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

Socialized Capitalism is the third option.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 15, 2012 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

NO Ed it wasn’t always that way an it can be again. For otherwise what do we get Socialism as economics? No that would be equally bad in another way. Capitalism is like fire it is needed an useful but it must be controlled or else it burns down everything. Sorry you are wrong headed in this matter. Or are you ready to remove fire an electricity too?

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By Ed Romano, April 15, 2012 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

Noight-Gaunt, Capitalism always was extractionism. Personally, I prefer the word….vampirism. ,

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By Shenonymous, April 15, 2012 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

rbe4free, April 15 at 7:35 am -I visited the Venus Project site and
it reminds me a great deal of the Krishnamurti Ojai compound in
California, I visited a few times in the 80s and 90s.  Only Venus is
a little more slick and commercial really even though it might not
be admitted.  http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/index.php
Good luck with your Venus Project.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 15, 2012 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Ed Romano we have moved way from Capitalism into what Dylan Ratigan identifies as “Extractionism” where the equal sign is replaced with a lesser sign an the money is funneled to those who already are loaded beyond imagining. Take from us an our gov’t an fill their coffers even more. As they also aggrandize power as well from us an our gov’t. Buy the ones in gov’t an you have a coup without firing a shot. Like with wealth, power is something they want more of. We are in the tail end of the end of the Republic. Not a pretty thing to see an live through.

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By stand to reason, April 15, 2012 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment
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And the bum was paid $100,000,000.00 for his fine work for
corporate world u.s.a. and its mic.

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By BR549, April 15, 2012 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, April 14 at 8:44 pm
“Two right wingers running on the two official party tickets. So it was no surprise to me when the deformation of welfare was taking up by Clinton to spoke of it in the exact same terms as the Republicans. An yet no one around could see what I saw as obvious.”

...... and “The country is left liberal not right wing as they say, it is inside the beltway that is right wing just like they are. Only they don’t seem to see that or wish to acknowledge it.”

Two right wingers is no mere accident. That slimy excuse we now have for a Republican Party, which was originally formed as a response against the Tory leaning Federalist Party, no longer bears any resemblance to the once trusted bastion of political ideals it once held. Instead, it has become a platform from which egomaniacal social parasites have been able to pontificate about their superhuman debate skills, while raping the voters they had knowingly lied to.

But wait. That slimy excuse we now have for a Democrat Party no longer bears any resemblance to its roots either. BOTH parties have morphed beyond what supporters had originally voted for them for. They’ve had to. As voters came to realize that corrupt was still finding its way into Congress, this system of government, where citizens were once the true sovereigns giving government small latitude to regulate them, was just too tempting a target for parasitic sociopaths, their loyalties would change and the parasites would have to find a new rock to hide under. For anyone still thinking that the Democrat Party has any hope of fixing this mess any more than the Republican Party, all I can say is that the turnip truck must have just passed by.

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By rbe4free, April 15, 2012 at 8:35 am Link to this comment

As a child growing up we all heard our parents say how they wanted life to be so much better for us. As a parent we say the same to our children. Now, as a grandparent, I see just how completely and utterly we have failed them in this endeavour.

Every nation of the world has poverty and suffering, many have war. For some it has been that way for generations. Today nations go to war for one reason and one reason only, profit. This profit is not shared equally amongst those who fought and died for it, nor is it for the starving and homeless. Instead it is retained by the few in power, the ones whose children did not fight in the war but were kept safe and sheltered from it due to their wealth. How many thousands more of our children must die until we have made enough profit for the few?

We are at a critical juncture in human history; we now possess the level of science and technology to create abundance for every man woman and child on Earth.

That’s right - no more debt, poverty, suffering or war, ever!

But wait, there’s always a catch, right? We have the resources, the goods and services. But due to the restrictions of our current socio-economic systems, we don’t have enough money to do it.

There is a real world alternative to our current socio-economic system. It’s called The Venus Project. It is a Resource Based Economy, a holistic social and economic system in which the planetary resources are held as the common heritage of all the earth’s inhabitants. The current practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant, counter-productive, and falls far short of meeting humanity’s needs. (http://www.thevenusproject.com/)

For the first time in human history we can choose a better future for all our children. We can look them in the eyes and be ashamed knowing that we did nothing and continue on with our current system, or we can look them in the eyes with pride and know that we chose a life without debt, war, poverty and suffering for them and for all mankind.

What future will you choose?

We are all someone’s child. We are all human beings. We are all citizens of Earth.

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By Ed Romano, April 15, 2012 at 5:48 am Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, You nailed it with your comments on Clinton and Tsongas. However, when you said you were the only one who saw their chameleon act for what it was you weren’t quite on the mark. There were others who saw them for what they were, but there weren’t enough of us.
  I ran Paul Tsongas campaign in my city in the general elction the first time he won a congressional seat. It remains one of the biggest regrets of my life. By the time he ran for the Senate he had just about shed the last of his liberal skin. He even had the big brass ones to write a book in which he said that if the democrats wanted to regain the White House they had to become more “Republican” in their approach to things economic. I think it was Tsongas who finally drove me completely out of the Democratic party. There was finally no difference between him and the republicans.
  A political career in a capitalist society can only advance itself with a modicum of liberalism. Solutions to problems are never allowed to cut into the perogatives of the economic rulers. Which is why we recently were treated to a watered down,fiasco of medical insurance reform despite the fact that a strong majority wanted something much more substantial…... But you sound, to me, like someone who knows all this pretty well. Onward.

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By DIXXSON, April 15, 2012 at 4:30 am Link to this comment
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I blame the AMERICAN SO CALLED Press for everything. They are responsible if not Culpable” in the murder of Trayvon Martin. Before & After. After the fact, Press asks irrelevant questions. Creates “Circus”. Increases Revenue by the BILLIONS. If they ask relevant questions, they expose the Cops, Racism. Without Bloggers, Trayvon would have been another forgotten murdered kid, like the Boot Camp murders. The kid that brung BB guns to school.  Murdered by Sqat. For fun. Not a peep from America! REAL PRESS would press the “FACTS” like. Just a few yrs ago, BILL CLINTON rescued America, from REAGONOMICS. If RIGHT WING had had their way, GEORGE WASHINGTON would have been “Hanged” by the Brits. There would be no America. The RIGHT had succeeded in the Civil War, America, would have been divided, & likely lost to invasions before the 1920s. During Vietnam & Korea, only the Dems, prevented the Bomb. WW3. The end of the world. WW2. If Democrats, Roosevelt had been defeated. Republicans would have been in power! America, “DESTROYED by HITLER”. WW2. (100%). Not Hypothesis. They’d report recent History. OBAMA just rescued America “AGAIN” from Republican Economics & Republicanism. Remember??? IBM, FORD, GMC, BANKS, SAVINGS & LOANS most collapsed. Can’t just POP back up. Paid their loans back instantly. Now the Pugs are “MOCKING THE BAIL OUTS”! If we only had a (PRESS).

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By Night-Gaunt, April 14, 2012 at 9:44 pm Link to this comment

William Jefferson Clinton the next right winger in line after Paul Tsongus had to bow out as the Democrat running for president. Sound familiar? Two right wingers running on the two official party tickets. So it was no surprise to me when the deformation of welfare was taking up by Clinton to spoke of it in the exact same terms as the Republicans. An yet no one around could see what I saw as obvious. We get the same only worse in president Obama an what he supported in relation to health care an now economics in the falsely named JOBS bill now law. (Read Matt Taibbi‘s analysis of it in Rolling Stone, an the follow up.)

The right wingers are right in one way but for the wrong people. The country is left liberal not right wing as they say, it is inside the beltway that is right wing just like they are. Only they don’t seem to see that or wish to acknowledge it. So it is a bi-partisan job against We the People as their enemy. Any who aren’t part of the Beltway Gang are rendered mostly useless no matter how hard they work in our favor in gov’t. The money an the people giving out that money rule us. That an our military seem to have a tight hold on our president as well.

95% get reelected or elected because of the money, the other 5% for other reasons. Many run unopposed too. An since there is no negative vote to put out such such political creatures they remain in office till they are ready to quit an work for those they were supposed to be policing.

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By MollyJ, April 14, 2012 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

I thought Scheer’s interview of Edelman was really great.  And I thought this was two guys who think of themselves as justifiably savvy trying to make sense of a really bad piece of legislation.  I was working in public health when it first went into effect and I can tell you that while things in public health and the care of poor just got steadily worse, it is truly as if the full ugliness of this legislative choice was not clear until now.

I appreciate these guys willingness to struggle with this and to keep working on it.  It is all that can be done.

And even though I don’t fully get it, I guess Scheer is still entitled to vote for Obama but given what he knows and what he says to us here, I don’t understand why he would.

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By Shenonymous, April 14, 2012 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

Eric L. Prentis, April 14 at 7:08 am - 5 Yups, so get the money out!

http://getmoneyout.com/

Get The Money Out of Politics Free Lunch – Occupy Election
Fundraising (Bellevue, Friday) this wwas in February 2012. Maybe
the Washington Liberals are good for sumtin?

http://waliberals.org/get-the-money-out-of-politics-free-lunch-occupy-election-fundraising-bellevue-friday/2012/02/15/

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By Eric L. Prentis, April 14, 2012 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

It is IMPOSSIBLE to rekindle “animal spirits,” living on George Orwell’s Animal Farm—where “all animals are equal, but some animals (pig banksters) are more equal than others.” Ten thousand banksters deserve to be in maximum security prison.

But Wall Street banksters pay protection money to politicians, so we have a loss-of-trust and a shitty economy. I call this a lousy tradeoff.

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By Shenonymous, April 14, 2012 at 12:35 am Link to this comment

Now that I have had more time than I did this a.m. EmileZ, I see it was
not Edleman who was soliciting a new book.  It was Timothy Noah and
I gladly take back my comment about the blame game.

However, having now had the time to listen more carefully to Sheer
and Edelman, they both corroborated what I said about the fact that
one man cannot be the sole carrier of a government’s policies that
are or are not legislated during a presidency.

The problem of the poor in this county is a scandal and as a “fundamentalist
liberal” and a lifelong Democrat I am chagrined to say the inactivity of the
Democratic politicians to remedy this travesty is shameful.  As Edelman said
very few were blameless during the Clinton tenure that welfare reform did not
make it through Congress, although in 1994, the Democrats lost control of the
House for the first time in 40 years.  Clinton had earned great animosity from
the Republicans which spurred them to recruit a more attractive stock of House
candidates and Perot’s popularity substantially took the swing voters due to
Clinton’s unpopularity, those two facts led to a huge shift against Democrats. 

Successful for himself and gained personal advantage, by “playing both ends against
the middle,” Clinton was able to pit Democrats and Republicans against each other
on his policies, but this didn’t help his party win back the majority in the House.  It
proved crucial in not passing welfare reform.  The Democrat’s failure is a function of
many’s lack of responsibility.  A Brookings Institute report of that failure
http://www.brookings.edu/interviews/2006/0824welfare_haskins.aspx?p=1

Edelman made the point that success in a presidency, even Clinton’s, is always a
mixed bag and elected politicians never live up to the expectations generated during
campaigns.  This is a truism and it is this penchant to expect presidents to be deities
that is the cause of futile disappointment that causes incredible emotional swings of
support.  When hopes are too high they always are disenchanting.  A rational view
that humans are imperfect and that in positions of power when there is a democracy,
a strong realist mind is needed in order to govern for the common good.

Sheer asks the quintessential question of whether “we can count on anyone in
the Democratic Party to stand up for the liberal values that is at the core of this
political organization?”  He asks, “What happened to the liberal impulse?”  I ask
that too, yet I will not abandon that political ideology.  The Party is only broken
at the politician level and that is where it needs fixed.  The two gentlemen agreed
that liberal principles and integrity for the common good must be the guide of this
democracy.  That is our political imperative.  Edelman was not able to give any real
definitive answer as to what happened to the Democrats.  He gave a list of reasons
that together most likely is the cause of the erosion from the liberal doctrines and
rationalization to make trade-offs that would allow themselves to gain the financial
support of those who fund elections!  Sheer called it artful opportunity. 

There are 20 million people below the poverty line who make less than $9,000/yr. 
This is a travesty.  The poor, Sheer argues have been made invisible and I agree.  It
then becomes the voter’s responsibility to elect people to political positions of power
who are dedicated to the proposition that there must be provision for the well-being
of all Americans, especially those unable to help themselves.  Apathy must not be
allowed to exist at our government’s legislative level.  The question Sheer leaves is
“how to make them” more proactive?

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By Castorp, April 13, 2012 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

Does this mean it’s ok to ignore Robert Scheer & Robert Reich, and NOT vote for Obama?

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By diamond, April 13, 2012 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

Well, you know what the Russians say: ‘You cannot drive in a straight line on a twisting road’. What needs to be changed is the road. Until that’s changed every president, even the most idealistic will not be able to drive in a straight line. The real problem is America is twofold. First the Congress which is completely corrupt and in thrall to neo-liberal madness and serves only the corporatocracy - so it should be abolished- and second the system of electoral colleges having so much power in elections - that system should also be abolished. A return to paper ballots is urgently required also, since it has been proven that it’s child’s play to hack into the voting machines and even to rig them so that votes automatically change from one side of the ledger to the other. No fair minded person could look at what happened to the Clintons when they tried to introduce a just and equitable health care system and say the system is operating for the benefit of the majority. It serves only the rich and powerful, the corporations and the war mongers, who live in the outermost reaches of the lunar right. Publicly funded elections would also be a step to straightening the road. The corporations would scream blue murder, but screw ‘em, just like they’ve screwed everyone else.

All of America’s social ills stem from corporate psychosis which is endemic in the corporate world and the military/intelligence conglomerate as well. What happens in the political sphere is just a symptom of the disease of corruption in the economic sphere and you will never clean up politics until you clean up the corporations via regulation and stop them bribing politicians to do their will by barring them from funding political campaigns. At the moment the law operating in America is the law of the jungle- the strong thrive and the weak are crushed. They can vote but political power is in the hands of the corporations who own the political process and most of the politicians. Blaming individual politicians serves no purpose.

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By BR549, April 13, 2012 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

pundaint, April 13 at 10:25 am
“It’s time we saw the Democrats as the other corporate serving party they are. .......... You can vote against the People’s intests with the Democrats, or you can vote against the People’s interests with the Republicans, ....... or you can take back your power by supporting a third party that represents your own policy goals.”

Bingo, yet watch how many sheeple will methodically and dependably march off to their voting booths, still having not yet figured out what the problem was before either voting through their wallet or selecting the lesser of two evils. Let’s face it, both major party candidates are tethered to the Bilderberg/Trilateral Commission/CFR gaggle of dysfunctional social miscreants, so how can voting for any of those overstuffed buffoons hope to pull us out of our mess? That mess is intentional, no mere accidental fluke of economics. And as long as the two candidates keep towing the party line as dictated to them by the elite globalists, and the docile sheeple keep downing the pablum supplied to them through the main stream media, “accidents” like what happened to JFK will be avoided. The moment we get anyone in the oval office with large enough testicles to actually tell the truth to the American public about what is REALLY happening in this country .........

What we haven’t been hearing from the media (no surprise there) is why Ron Paul is favored by 70% of the military. Read that again. As long as a candidate does NOT support NAFTA (the globalists’ bastard child) he/she will be ridiculed by the media, and yet NAFTA has been one of the singlemost destructive influences to our and the Canadians’ economic stability. No mere accident. If you vote for the Republicans, you support NAFTA. If you vote for the Democrats, you support NAFTA.

Romney is now talking about gun rights; good move on his part, unless it’s just lip service, in which case the globalists would be setting him up if he were to catch flack from backing out on his pledges. That’s how they work. If he would now support Arizona’s border issue and commit to the Constitution instead of letting NAFTA eviscerate our Constitution, I’d say he’d be the guy to vote for. Until that happens, Ron Paul is the only choice. I like both Stein and Anderson; they both have a consistent message and are close to Paul’s but ....... they have no traction, just like Kucinich. For the good of the country they should contact Paul’s camp or better yet, vice versa, and see what could be done to bury whatever hatchets are necessary and get as many disgruntled Rep and Dem supporters over to a consistent platform. I suggested this in 2008, but they were all too proud and opinionated to alter their courses for the good of the country ...... and now look where we are.

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By EmileZ, April 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

@ Shenonymous

I didn’t occur to me that you might be referring to Mr. Scheer’s book until just now, so ubiquitous his fatherly presence has become in my internet life.

Anyhow, I still think the “blame game” is a pretty weak line all things considered.

You did listen to the interview, right???

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By blogdog, April 13, 2012 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

...or you can take back your power
by supporting a third party that represents your own policy goals.

impossible until monied influences are made illegal - only workable solution:

1. criminalize all paid advertising and donations of any monetary value to
candidates and ballot measure proponants

2.  link equal time on public airwaves for policy statements and debates to FCC
licensing - extended to webcasting

3. link equal mandatory donation of space to all candidates and measures in
print media to 4th-estate rights - extended to online publishing

charges of unconstitutional 1st Amendment proscriptions from these proposals
would require judicial testing - it’s known how the courts have ruled -
clearly meaningful election refom requires a constitutional amendment

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By pundaint, April 13, 2012 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

It’s time we saw the Democrats as the other corporate serving party they are.

You can vote against the People’s intests with the Democrats, or you can vote
agains the People’s interests wit the Republicans, or you can take back your power
by supporting a third party that represents your own policy goals.

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By ElkoJohn, April 13, 2012 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

A few populist Democrats in office can’t change the neo-Democratic Party,
and it’s role as the ‘‘good cop’‘
in our 2-Party dictatorship system, which benefits
predatory, too big to fail (or regulate) capitalism.

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By jimmmmmy, April 13, 2012 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

Micchael Moore already aired Clintons other dirty laundry [the dress was someone elses story] In his 1991 book Stupid White Men. It didn’t get any traction then, but it was entertaining. This topic seems to have been mined to exhaustion. Who buys all of these books nowadays? As a strategy in American politics kicking the poor always works.

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By EmileZ, April 13, 2012 at 7:24 am Link to this comment

@ Shenonymous

I wasn’t aware that Peter Edelman was trying to sell a book. I thought Robert Scheer was following up on a New York Times piece.

You didn’t listen to the interview, did you???

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By balkas, April 13, 2012 at 7:04 am Link to this comment

no, i do not even blame hitler solely for what germans have done since ‘33-45.
no, not even the nazi party.
i always blame ideology which commanded germans to behave as they did.
it is the same ideology that compels truman to a-bomb hiroshima and nagasaki, slaughter millions
of people in US and abroad, torture people, casts adrift poorest among us.
the FIRST CAUSE for what US does now and has done from day one of its existence is the
itsTHINKING.
that’s all, folks! there is no mystery about killing millions of indigenes, koreans, cubans,
vietnamese, laotians, nicaraguans, afghans, palestinians, iraqis, libyans, et al, or amassment of
ever greater econo-military-political power by a minority of people.
and the minority is just at the begging of it and not an end.
as i have often said: aggression against korea heralded another war; and this in turn another; and
so on to libyan war portending syrian war and also worsenings for most americans themselves and
not just ‘aliens’.

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By ProgressiveItalianAmerican1911, April 13, 2012 at 6:47 am Link to this comment
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Thank you Ed Romano and Shenonymous: Both of you are
right. There is a lot of blame to go around. And
we’re only digging ourselves deeper in the quagmire
of all going south - the economy, the environment, on
and on. With a global economy we are all so
intertwined that a fix in one place or a mess made in
one place has ramifications on the other side of the
world that often we cannot anticipate. I teach
undergrads many of whom don’t read, don’t listen to
news, don’t know how to critically think. And this is
the 7% of the world that is getting a college
education. They are our future. How are they voting?
What difference will they make?

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By Ed Romano, April 13, 2012 at 6:23 am Link to this comment

I haven’t listened to the radio show, but the title of this forum was more than enough to get my attention. Clinton currently has a reputation in the media as a political god, but I can’t imagine any long time Democrat seeing him as anything other than a back stabbing, mealy mouthed Cracker. His basic accomplishments would make even an old time moderate Republican cringe. When he signed NAFTA, which speeded up the process of dismantleing the nation’s capability, he said, ....This is going to be great for the country….. He forgot to mention which country that was.It certainly wasn’t the one he was elected to serve.

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By Shenonymous, April 13, 2012 at 6:21 am Link to this comment

The blame game is always valorous when one wants to sell a book. 
Clinton had a Congress of 535 other men and women who did their
part to deepen the state of poverty with no safety net.

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