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GOP Lawmaker Doubts Obama’s Birth Certificate Is Real

Posted on Apr 9, 2012

Despite the fact that all evidence points to President Obama being a U.S.-born citizen (including his birth certificate, which shows he was born in Hawaii), there are still some Republicans who doubt he is an American. Like U.S. Rep. Vicky Hartzler of Missouri, who thinks that the birth certificate the president released last year might not be real.

When pressed on the issue during a town hall meeting last week, Hartzler said: “He [a questioner at the meeting] asked what I think about Obama’s birth certificate being a forgery. ... I don’t know, I haven’t seen it. I’m just at the same place you are on that. You read this, you read that. But I don’t understand why he didn’t show that right away. I mean, if someone asked for my birth certificate, I’d get my baby book and hand it out and say ‘Here it is,’ so I don’t know.”

Hartzler later reiterated the birther claim: “I have doubts that it is really his real birth certificate, and I think a lot of Americans do, but they [White House officials] claim it is, so we are just going to go with that.”  —TEB

Watch Hartzler’s initial response at the meeting, which was filmed by a group called Show Me Progress:


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By heterochromatic, April 20, 2012 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

Aarky—- I used to think that the moonie’s continuous lack of factuality was
simple ignorance, but yeah moonie pretty much can’t be THAT dumb and if mostly
a trollish and happily lying little bigoted bag of gas.

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By heterochromatic, April 15, 2012 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

it’s not my personal luck…... I said when you started that stuff that you shouldn’t
just get in your huff and hoof , but that you should expend more effort and
display less mindless spleneticism.

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

Tough luck, piecework peon.

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By heterochromatic, April 15, 2012 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

nor have you yet lived up to your repeated declarations of departure…......

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

I have not yet begun to churl, piecework peon.

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By heterochromatic, April 14, 2012 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

moonie—- I’m sure that you’ve been encouraged to travel by everyone you’ve
been around…...

and I’m less interested in the local term than I am in getting the correct
information…..thank you for your help and thank you for admitting that the
original info supplied by you was defective…...

sorry that you couldn’t avoid the gratuitous abuse and churlish disposition, but
thanks anyway and you probably should go somewhere else now.

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By blogdog, April 14, 2012 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

La Conquista will never be forgotten!

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By moonraven, April 14, 2012 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

The locals use the term ZAMBO, not mestizo.

You would not know that as you have never been to South America.

All untravelled gringos claim to know more than folks who have spent their lives travelling around this planet.

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By heterochromatic, April 14, 2012 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

I am impressed that you can find a way to make it abrasive when I’m thanking you
for your help/

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By heterochromatic, April 14, 2012 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

I’m not interested in making him anything other than what he is…..just asking if
you were calling his dad a black man when mestizo might be what the locals
would use.

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By moonraven, April 14, 2012 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

Uh, heteronym:

Both parents were of mixed race.  Black and indigenous.  For my money, that makes Chavez a mix of black and indigneous.


If you can figure out a way to make him white, or yellow—go for it, idiot.

I do not open links so there is no point in posting them to me.

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By Aarky, April 13, 2012 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment
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Moonraven is quite like too many Republicans and doesn’t let facts get in the way. Her assertion that 3000 sailors were killed during the sinking of the USS Maine is off by 2,740. Only 260 men were killed in what was pretty certain a dust explosion in the coal bunkers. Our battleships of those days were not much bigger than a modern destroyer. She is willing to use the “big lie” time and again in support of her arguments. Ignore this woman!

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By heterochromatic, April 13, 2012 at 7:32 am Link to this comment

Chávez, Hugo de los Reyes

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By heterochromatic, April 13, 2012 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

thanks for the info, moonie. I appreciate the response .... the Chavez ancestry
surprises me, though.  His father was black rather than of mixed race?

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By GradyLeeHoward, April 13, 2012 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

T-party Platform: “Sumppin’ ‘bout da Prezdent ain’t
quite White.”
Obama Platform: “I’m here to celebrate the 100th
anniversary of Oreo. Like my costume? It’s from
Romney Platform:“Polar bears will be OK as long as
the snowstorm lasts. A cold heart turns away
Neo-Nazi Platform: “The Victor writes the Superbowl

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By moonraven, April 12, 2012 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

MoonRAVEN might be able to do that.

In South America Chavez is president:  at half black and half indigenous, he’s as much an African-American as Obomber. 

Maybe more….

The president of Guyana is black, I believe.

Evo Morales,president of Bolivia is an indigenous person.

What a Native American is hired as president in the US, get back to me.

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By heterochromatic, April 11, 2012 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment

MRLady—- the lunacy will be with us a while.

The election of Obama to the presidency was a pretty big deal…. I can’t, offhand,
recall a black person heading any European government.

not sure that it’s happened in South America (maybe moonie can advise on that

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By MRLady, April 11, 2012 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

Will the lunacy ever stop about this? Makes one think that perhaps sort of silly think will just get worse with the dumbing-down of the educational process(check the Monkey Law that just recently passed in Tennessee). I get the very strong feeling that this entire thing arose from our election of our first African American. Certainly no white president has ever been subjected to such foolishness. Oh, that’s right. If one is white, that makes him(not her now) completely legitimate and acceptable. I sincerely hope we outgrow this limiting attitude about people.

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By heterochromatic, April 11, 2012 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

right on time… no bizarro link, but still.

right on time.

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By blogdog, April 11, 2012 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

forget all the smoke over Republicans vs Democrats
- the important question:
why would the operatives in the wings issue such an obviously phony document?

of course they can do better - do it all the time with docs for agents in the field -
almost as if they want to keep the issue roiling, or a Damacletian sword over the
puppet POTUS - opting for ‘incompetence’ on this one is a stretch

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By heterochromatic, April 11, 2012 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

dia—- you think that these delusional people are any worse than someone such as
blogdog, a person who posts half a dozen youtubes a day that make claims every
bit as bizarro as the birther bs ?

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By diamond, April 11, 2012 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

Hartzler is a silly bitch and the people who voted for her are even sillier than she is. If the Republicans had one shred of proof that Obama was not born in America they would have used it to stop him even running for president but they were completely silent on the subject. It’s only now that he is president that they’ve crawled out from under a rock to make all these ridiculous claims, bordering on farce, about his birth certificate. This is dogwhistle politics at its most degrading: they are sending this message to people so dumb and uneducated they have trouble putting their shoes on the correct foot. They don’t say it because they think it’s true, they say it to get dummies to vote for them.

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By blogdog, April 10, 2012 at 11:30 pm Link to this comment

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator
- Official Proof 1 ( Layers )
- 8 min.

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator
- Official Proof 2 ( Optimizing )
- 7 min.

but then….

Obama Birth Certificate NOT A FRAUD - 7 min.

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By moonraven, April 10, 2012 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment


The bridges are NOT safe.

They can, and will, be blown to smithereens.

You thought the Twin Towers were safe, too, I bet—before your government demolished them on Sept. 11, 2001—right before your little believing eyes.

And you, the REAL racist, gobbled down the jellybeans that said it was all done by illiterate arabs who couldn’t pass a basic flight course in Florida.


Whites couldn’t have killed those folks in the Twin Towers, right?

Just lilke they couldn’t have killed more than 3000 of their own sailors on the USS Maine in the harbor of La Habana?

Or just like whites didn’t do the Reichstag Fire?


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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

gerard——““I have a lot of doubts about having a lot
of doubts ...” etc. etc.”


pre-cisely. them what don’t wanna believe sure am hard
to convince.

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By DonSchneider, April 10, 2012 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

Oh crap, I had hoped to get here and make a small cogent remark before the “Hate
Mongers” arrived. It seems I am too late again Oh well !

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By Caroline K., April 10, 2012 at 7:18 am Link to this comment
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She’s a smart woman.  All of the evidence says he’s African born.  Sheriff Joe
Arpaio, who was head of the DEA in Arizona, and once infiltrated drug cartels
across the world, including the Middle East, and his investigators, know what
they’re doing. 

To those who doubt him, what’s your reason for believing someone who’s
known as a serial liar?  Have you seen evidence to prove he was born here, I
mean other than his word?  Is his birthplace and faith the only two things he’s
telling the truth about?  And let’s not forget those brilliant college grades he
won’t release. 

Please don’t feign moral superiority when it comes to this.  If you use your God
given common sense, you should know somethings wrong. 

History will prove she’s right.

Just think if all of you doubters had sided with patriots who want the truth revealed, he may have never had the chance to do the damage he’s doing.  Just think if you joined with those who want answers, instead of mocking and ridiculing.  We may not suffer any future damage.  I guess you have to choose whether to believe a known textbook sociopath, or your fellow Americans.

Hitler was a creation, too. 

“A lie told often enough becomes the truth.”~Lenin

This is from Mein Kampf.  Do you fit into this category?

A lie has has to be be repeated so often that virtually no one bothers to challenge it: Adolf Hitler created and used the “Big Lie,” one of his many evil techniques. As holds true for so many things we are told, this belief, too, must be examined to see the underlying truth.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote:

All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.

Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. ” ~Adolf Hitler

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By OldManCA, April 9, 2012 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

Hmm. I want an autopsy to see if this GOP lawmaker has a brain. I cannot see any
evidence of it.

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By moonraven, April 9, 2012 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

Another senseless post—can I prove WHAT?

You obviously don’t read the news.  Do an internet search—start with Fujimori, the most well-known case.

Your racist
attack on Mexican people is duly noted, as well as your personal attack against me.

And, just for the record, I am not an engineer—nor did I ever claim to be one.  You must be thinking of some other non-white poster you have it in for….

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By moonraven, April 9, 2012 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment

Who cares?

The point is that he was hired by Big Bucks to secure their agenda. 

Vicente Fox, who was elected president of Mexico in 2000 by a bunch of suckers, is a gringo—born in the US of gringo parents.  It was easy later to get a Mexican birth certificate saying he was born here in Mexico.  (Another bit of trivia:  Fox has something in common with at least a couple of posters on truthdig, as he was and is illiterate in both English and Spanish.)

Fujimori, currently an inmate in a federal prison in Peru, was president of that country and claimed he was born in Peru, had a birth certificate to prove it, and nobody copped to the obvious until he cut bait and turned up in Japan in 2000 claiming to be a Japan-born Japanese citizen and they took him in.

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By StrawMan, April 9, 2012 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

“... and the baaand plaaays on.”

With both corporate-owned parties implacably selling supposedly different versions of their bosses’ 1% Solution, this matter is about as relevant as the Kardashians.

God help us all.

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By Rodney, April 9, 2012 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment
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These racist wouldn’t believe Obama was an American
citizen even if they have film of the live birth. You
can’t please these people. They still think me is a
Muslim. The hate that they have for him is only equaled
to the hate their parents had for Dr. Martin Luther
King. Their hate just passes down from one generation
to the next.

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By gerard, April 9, 2012 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

This issue is turning into a snake eating its tail: “I have a lot of doubts about having a lot of doubts ...” etc. etc.

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By Ragbatz, April 9, 2012 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment
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Of course he knows its real.  But watch for the trumped up litigation to end up
before the US Supreme Court as an injunction barring Obama’s slate of electors
from attending the Electoral College.

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