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Bill Moyers Makes Newt Gingrich Look Like an IdiotPosted on Feb 5, 2012
The PBS headliner rises to the defense of Saul Alinsky, “a patriot, in a long line of patriots, who scorned the malignant narcissism of duplicitous politicians and taught everyday Americans to think for themselves and to fight together for a better life.” Newt Gingrich has been slandering (Moyers’ word) the late community organizer in his campaign appearances, although his crowd “knows nothing about the target except that they are supposed to hate him,” says Moyers. By explaining who Alinsky was and even how Gingrich himself has adopted at least one of Alinsky’s talking points, Moyers shows that the candidate, who claims to be a historian, is either ignorant of Alinsky, or is deliberately misleading people. Below are Moyers’ essay on Gingrich and Alinsky, followed by this week’s entire Moyers & Company episode. —PZS Bill Moyers Essay: Newt’s Obesession with Saul Alinsky from BillMoyers.com on Vimeo.
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By tedmurphy41, February 10, 2012 at 12:46 am Link to this comment
It’s not that difficult to make an idiot look like an idiot; Newt Gingrich has always shown himself as an unreformed idiot whenever he open his mouth.
Report thisLet’s hope that no-one is listening!
By PeopleOVERgreed, February 9, 2012 at 5:12 am Link to this comment
What does anyone expect from Newt Gingrich? This is a guy that has a myriad of scams to defraud people from their cash by means of politics and patriotism. Newt email spam’s tens of thousands of people from address lists he purchases from right wing organizations. Protraying fake awards exclusive to the Newt Gingrich “brand”. Newt also uses social partisanship to pray apon peoples basic instincts instead of appealling to sensibilities. The man is a sham, a joke and a con artist.
Report thisBy The Prisoner, February 8, 2012 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment
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Haidt lost me, when he covertly admitted to drinking the Kool-aid (C). He actually believes that these conservative moralist are being honest.
Report thisBy gerard, February 8, 2012 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment
Steven Deedon: It’s not Haidt’s “skepticism about reason” that I object to, but his introduction of the “karma” idea, which depends more rather than less on unreason, and further, on part of one specific culture’s unreason (though I have to admit that on the whole the idea of karma has perhaps done less harm in the world than other cultural unreasons I could name).
Report this“Karma” seemed an attractive idea to me until I saw “The Mahabarata”(as excerpted and presented onstage) and realized the historic destructive power of Krishna’s advice to Arjuna whose “fear and hesitance become impediments to the proper balancing of the universal dharmic order. Essentially, Arjuna wishes to abandon the battle, to abstain from action; Krishna warns, however, that without action, the cosmos would fall out of order and truth would be obscured.” Needless to say, a horrendous battle ensued.
“...One must embrace one’s temporal duties (regardless of the immediate results) whilst remaining mindful of timeless reality etc. etc.”
One of the many arguments for violence (under certain circumstances, of course) which circumstances seem to return as justifications in different guises, century beyond century.
Nowadays a different invention of unreason is used for the same ends: It’s called “National Security.”
Sounds much more “reasonable” than karma, doesn’t it?
That’s the trouble with words; they can be made to sound so reasonable.
(How many times have I seen the words “Violence is inevitable” on Truthdig this year alone?)
By politicky, February 8, 2012 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment
I wasn’t thrilled with Haidt, I thought he was quick to defend
Report thiswhat is in my mind indefensible. That said, Newt doesn’t need
Moyer’s help to look like a venal, grasping p.o.s.
By Rehmat, February 8, 2012 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment
A sex maniac - YES, but no idiot. He knows how to shake Jewish purses.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/pat-robertson-‘divorce-your-terminal-sick-wife’/
Report thisBy doctor doctor, February 8, 2012 at 7:38 am Link to this comment
If Alinsky were alive today he’d be fighting for the middle class who are under attack as never before. Too bad he’s gone.
Report thisBy EmileZ, February 8, 2012 at 12:10 am Link to this comment
Rapeman - “Steak And Black Onions”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lox_LUCDEFM
Report thisBy EmileZ, February 7, 2012 at 11:55 pm Link to this comment
@ Gerard
I am not going to post any Culture Club videos.
Your sinister mission has failed.
Report thisBy gerard, February 7, 2012 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment
This guy Haidt is just what Occupy needs: According
Report thisto Haidt: “You young idealists will never succeed in making life better for the 99% because it is the 1%‘s karma to have all the power and advantages money can buy. You see, karma is like money—you earn it. The more money you have, the better your karma, and the sooner you get those silly ideas about
“economic justice” out of your head, the better.
By gerard, February 7, 2012 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment
It is my karma to not pay attention to poor people (Romney: “I’m not worried about them!”) so it’s something that is beyond my frame of reference, and they are poor because (unlike me) they have bad karma.
Report thisSo much for right wing rationalism (who get their points over better than liberals because they are selfish enough to be able to ignore the suffering of others whereas those soft-headed liberals ... Argh!
By gerard, February 7, 2012 at 10:35 pm Link to this comment
Just one more little thing: “Karma!” What a dandy little way to let the 1% off the moral hook!
Report thisa la: “I don’t have any conscience. It’s because I neglected to pay attention to others for most of my adult life, so it’s the poor people’s karma that they are poor, whereas my karma has made me rich.”
By gerard, February 7, 2012 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment
Poor headline again, Truthdig! The meat of the article is the videos and Haidt on the “moral philosophies” of Left and Right. So now it’s Karma!
Report thisExcuse me.
By Ralph Novy, February 7, 2012 at 5:40 pm Link to this comment
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I wonder how Haidt would have handled the political situation in 1930s Germany. Would he have been so quick to see the virtues on both sides of the Nazi/“liberal” divide? Would he have gone so far as to suggest that the Nazis had a better understanding of human nature? Would he have suggested that liberals needed to appreciate the “sacralization” of the ethos that the Nazis espoused?
In sum, I found Haidt’s attempt to reach some sort of “fair and balanced” analysis of the liberal/conservative divide to be simply bereft of any moral content, although he puts forward his perspective as one we all “should” adopt.
He should EITHER be an “objective” social analyst OR an advocate. He can’t credibly be both.
Report thisBy moonraven, February 7, 2012 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment
It doesn’t take much skill to make an idiot look like an idiot.
Bill Moyers should complain about this headline.
Report thisBy Leefeller, February 6, 2012 at 10:35 pm Link to this comment
Name dropping is the only thing I feel which supports why his nibs Newt the imbecile keeps dropping Saul Alinsky’s name like he was privy to something real special?
Since I cannot see the videos, my computer will not load Adobe for some reason, or may just be my slow satellite boonies connection problem.
Checked out some history on Alinsky and he was a special guy, evidently Alinsky had some influence and affect on both Hillery and Obama as well as Newt, in their younger days. Strangely the Tea Bags actually used Alinsky organizing techniques for part of their template in some of their training and organizing? I find this amusing since Newt is trying to court the Tea Bags and keeps saying Obama is a student of Alinsky while nobody but Newt knows who he is talking about.
Alinsky was a very busy guy organizing the disenfranchised people from minorities to middle class, I suspect Alinsky would be in support of OWS if he was alive today, but Alinksy never joined any organization even his own, so I do not know how he would work with OWS?
Just two months before his death in 1972, Alinsky was interviewed by Playboy and he commented on his plans after his demise!
ALINSKY: ... if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell.
PLAYBOY: Why?
ALINSKY: Hell would be heaven for me. All my life I’ve been with the have-nots. Over here, if you’re a have-not, you’re short of dough. If you’re a have-not in hell, you’re short of virtue. Once I get into hell, I’ll start organizing the have-nots over there.
PLAYBOY: Why them?
ALINSKY: They’re my kind of people…... 1"Playboy Interview”, Playboy Magazine, 1972, retrieved 2011-09-07 (reprinted in Native Forest Council)
Yes Newt is an idiot, I know that without watching the video!
Report thisBy rumblingspire, February 6, 2012 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment
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good to see you again bill. hope you interview someone sharper next time. Haidt is constantly talking in broad generalities and i learned long ago to not trust such speech. he easily seamed to imply that the poor are lazy and that the conservatives have it moral high ground to believe so.
Report thisBy Dean, February 6, 2012 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment
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Thank you Mr. Moyers for an enlightening essay. Saul Alinsky sounds like someone I should like to get to know. I can’t help but think there are more Saul Alinsky’s out there past, present and future than we will ever know. Those who move with their heart and conscience. Who are those that mock the dead? What are their names.?
Report thisBy Steven Deedon, February 6, 2012 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment
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Haidt has a massive amount of data—on at least
Report this30,000 people. The Moral Foundations theory that is the basis for his assertions about Democrats v.
Republicans is grounded in arrays of data that
match across world cultures. His skepticism about reason is corroborated by neuroscience, e.g. the split brain studies of Michael Gazzaniga, and the work on automaticity of social psychologist John Bargh, to mention a oouple of examples. Granted, Haidt comes off a bit cocky and strident, but before you get too critical, get to know the cognitive science on which his work is based. A good place to start is on his own web page at UVA, with “The Emotional Dog and His Rational Tail,” and the history of modern Moral Psychology, co-authored by Selin Kesebir in the “Handbook of Social Psychology (S. Fiske, et al). both these are available via http://people.virginia.edu/~jdh6n/
By doublestandards/glasshouses, February 6, 2012 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment
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Alinsky and the shit-in:
http://www.progress.org/2003/alinsky12.htm
There’s a message to OWS here. Don’t be violent but
Report thisbe a little more imaginative.
By greg_2, February 6, 2012 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment
No one can make Newton Gingrich look like an idiot because he is an idiot.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, February 6, 2012 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment
I was pleased Gingrich brought up Alinsky’s name. As if it was a
dirty word, as if Gingrich isn’t himself a dirty pretentious bastard!
Gingrich is like the Pharisee who worships his God in vain. The
self-righteous religionist who sings in the name of Christianity,
thrice adopting a sect, his piety is calculatedly pathetic as he slings
condemning mudballs at all who oppose him. He does not speak
the doctrine of Christianity, but speaks his own man-made creed.
He neither abides in the doctrine of Christ, nor speaks as Christ was
written to have spoken, but makes his judgments based on his own
egotistical vain imaginations. Be careful of this camouflaged snake
for by his fruits shall you know him! (borrowed from Matthew 7:20)
As witness to his hypocrisy, Gingrich, the Let’s Pretend historian, who
casts aspersions on Alinsky plagiarizes Alinsky’s strategies. Moyers:
“At the time of his sudden death in 1972, Alinsky was planning a
campaign to organize white middle-class Americans into a national
movement for progressive change. Maybe that is why Gingrich is
slandering Alinsky’s name. Maybe he is afraid, afraid the very white
folks he’s been rousing into a frenzy will discover who Saul Alinsky
really was: a patriot from a long line of patriots who scorned the
malignant narcissism of duplicitous politicians who taught everyday
Americans to think for themselves and to fight together for a better
and just life. That is the American way and any good historian would
know it.”
As for Alinsky, the hero and champion of the workers, did more for them
Report thisthan any of and taught the unions how to fight the greedy monsters who
would disfranchise justice from them in the workplace. He gave them a
history. He was smart! The Moyers videos, says it most clearly, most
respectfully. Says exactly who Alinsky was and whose ghost still haunts
the self-serving people-eating Republicans.
By D.R. Zing, February 6, 2012 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment
I disagree fundamentally with the semantics of this
Report thisheadline. Saying someone made Newt look like an idiot
is like saying someone made a turd look like shit.
By PatrickHenry, February 6, 2012 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment
Bill didn’t have to try very hard.
Report thisBy Ken Newman, February 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment
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If you’ve read his books (Haidt) then criticize his ideas as unscientific that’s one thing, but to judge it based just on one interview as a “contradiction” or “mumbo-jumbo” is something else. An hour is hardly time to present the idea, let alone the evidence. It’s a little like judging Quantum Theory based on a TV show. I think you are prematurely drawing a conclusion on the possible validity of the ideas based on incomplete information. He could be wrong but what you are doing is a disservice to yourselves and anyone reading.
Report thisBy jdean, February 6, 2012 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment
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It is not difficult to make gingrich look like an idiot. In fact it would be pretty revealing if gingrich were to be compared to an average US citizen. I’m sure this is where this intellectual’s intelligence level locates.
Report thisBy MBendzela, February 6, 2012 at 5:02 am Link to this comment
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Fascinating, but with some major flaws:
“Given what social psychology has discovered about reason ... reasoning is not good at finding the truth.”
This guy’s whole view is founded upon this central contradiction.
If social psychology isn’t using reason to discover what it discovers, then what is it using?
Also, much of this sounds like argument by assertion. He really gets off track when he begins making vast assertions about whole groups, like “Baby Boomers,” “Republicans,” “Democrats.”
There is no discussion of facts here, the facts that exist independent of groups: Anthropogenic global warming is happening. Evolution is a fact. Life develops along a continuum. Toxicology is dependent on dose. All agricultural products have been genetically modified. Medicine is anything confirmed by randomized, controlled trials. Etc.
He himself needlessly sacralizes the sacred.
P.S. It’s foolish to compare the debate about the guy who won’t pay for health insurance then gets gravely ill with the Aesop fable about the ants and the grasshopper. Humans aren’t insects, and the guy who is suffering is not just some anonymous guy. Someone should have turned to the people in that audience who cheered, “Yes! [let him die]” and said, OK, that guy is your brother, your father, your son. Now are you cheering?
Report thisBy EmileZ, February 6, 2012 at 4:22 am Link to this comment
When Gingrich said “secular eurpoean socialist model” I thought he sounded pretty intelligent.
I never hear Moyers saying fancy stuff like “secular european socialist model”. Har-dee-har-har.
Then again Moyers says stuff like “objective reality” which, seriously folks, is quite refreshing when you have to witness the spectacle of a successful and accomplished bullshitter like Haidt promoting his “moral psychology” mumbo-jumbo.
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