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Posted on May 14, 2010
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CNN is rarely the forum where we hear thoughtful points of view, but Georgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson breaks the mold as he rips apart the befuddled superintendent of Arizona public schools, Tom Horne, over Arizona’s decision to ban ethnic studies.

Be sure not to miss the end of the clip when Horne lists the different races with the ever-so-essentialist “the” preceding: “the Asian, the Indian ... .” Priceless. —JCL

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By ThomasG, May 18, 2010 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment

Arizona Kid, May 18 at 6:05 pm,

Again, you did not answer the questions in my May 16 at 11:30 pm post addressed to you, changed the subject, and shifted what I said to make what I said personal, when it was not personal at all. 

Perhaps you have an inferiority complex of some kind that you are trying to project off on me, who knows?

I take your post addressed to me without an answer to mean that you are incapable of answering my post, and are using personalization and accusation to mask your own inadequacy.

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By ThomasG, May 18, 2010 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

Arizona Kid, May 17 at 3:04 am,

You have changed the subject, your are afraid to really answer my May 16 at 11:30 pm post, aren’t you?

EXTREMIST Conservative Right-Wingers always use subjective fear propaganda of what might happen to control the populace, but the ones that are really afraid are the Right-Wing EXTREMISTS.

You know as well as I do that fear built the Colosseum in Rome; fear of the populace and the Colosseum was the means of entertainment to distract the populace from their best interest.
 
The populace has caught on to the entertainment tactic of Right-Wing EXTREMIST distraction and because of it, all of the Right-Wing EXTREMIST Conservative parasites on the nation, on the economy, and on the populace have something legitimate to fear; the fear that the 70% MAJORITY Common Population, Back Street America, are not going to continue to be distracted by either the Colosseum or the 21st Century version of the Colosseum, television, and without distraction want their share of America’s commercial pie, and to the extent that they get it, the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS’ slice of the pie will diminish.

Be afraid—be very afraid—the American populace, Back Street America, are coming to get their slice of the pie.

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By ThomasG, May 16, 2010 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

What is more important than anything else is “class and cultural education”, so that all children know that America is made up of three parts:  1) An American aristocracy,  2) an American middle class, and 3) an American populace.  All people in America are part of these three classes and cultures. 

The American middle class is a 20% minority population of the United States that is taught in the Public School System as a singularity that exists in the absence of the classes and cultures existing on both sides of the American middle class singularity.  On one side of the American middle class singularity the American aristocracy exists as a class and culture that is a 10% minority population of the United States;  on the other side of the American middle class singularity the American populace exists as a class and culture that is a 70% majority population of the United States that is not represented by a political party, and is not represented in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order in the United States.

Class and cultural education that is inclusive of ALL the American populace, Back Street America, rather than exclusively for the American aristocracy, Wall Street, and the American middle class singularity, Main Street, is what is needed and a causal education must be taught in the Public School System.

Savant education and American propaganda teaches life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness with freedom and justice for all as subjective tropes to train little children to be willing wage slaves to a Capitalist System that practices socialism for the rich and capitalism for the American populace is not good enough.

It is time for a change and the time for the change is now.

BTW, Propaganda is binary emotional rhetoric.

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By MarthaA, May 16, 2010 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

ramenfreak, May 15 at 9:59 pm,

The same as their populace parents, populace children in the United States public schools are burdened, subdued, and forced to submit to a FREE “savant” education that is against their best interest, and are intentionally denied a “causal” education that would serve their best interests; in other words, they are freely propagandized and taught to be “savant tools”, rather than educated with a proper “causal” education that will serve their best interest.

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By gerard, May 16, 2010 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

Unfortunately, this is the popular version of a “discussion”—two or more people from opposing points of view trying to get as many words in edge-wise as the limited time allows, shepherded by a person who is not prepared to set limits on what ends up inevitably being a shouting match—with the one who shouts loudest “winning” the discussion.

But—don’t expect anyone to learn anything because there has been no previous agreement on main points to emphasize.
  — don’t expect any thoughtful consideration of ponts of disagreement, why they exist and what might be done to close differences, come togetther and mutually build a solution rather than end where the discussiosn began—in heated, usually angry disagreement.

Question:  Do TV networks even care wht the results of such discussions are?
  Do those who “take sides” really care about coming to some mutual solution together?
  Is this any way to conduct a democracy with deeply-rooted serious problems?

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By cheyennebode, May 16, 2010 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment
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TRUTHDIG YOU BELIE YOUR NAME BECAUSE MY COSMOLOGY DOESN’T FIT
INTO YOURS MY POSTS ARE DISCARDED YET YOU PUBLISH A TRACK OF
LENINS—-IS MY OPINION ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND MEXICO MORE
THREATNING THAN COMMUNISM. THE FACT IS THAT YOU HAVE CARVED
OUT A PROGRESIVE.    STANCE AND   S TRAPED YOUR MIND. AN EXAMPLE
IS TO SOFTEN THE WORD ILLEGAL WITH LES S THREATNING
UNDOCUMENTED YOU KNOW THAT IS A SCAM BUT IT FITS INTO THE
DOUBLE SPEAK THAT SUPPORTERS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION HAVE
FASHONED.  I AM PROUDLY FREE OF ANY DOCTRINE AND MY MIND IS MY
OWN—-IN CONTRAST YOURS IS ENSLAVED—ENJOY YOUR GHAINS???

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By dihey, May 16, 2010 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

I am amazed, or perhaps I should not be amazed that a single person, i. c. the Superintendent of Arizona’s Public Schools has the unfettered power all to himself to determine what can and what cannot be taught in the Public Schools of Arizona. Am I naively wrong that I think that the descriptive word for such behavior is “dictatorship”?

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By cheyennebode, May 16, 2010 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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DYSON NEEDS TO RELAX BLACKS SEEM TO THINK THAT BEING AGAINST
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION COULD BE THE FIRST STEP BACK TO SLAVERY FOR
THEM. ANTI ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COLOR ITS
ABOUT NATIONAL SAFETY—AND THE PRIMACY OF LAW . AS AN ASIDE NOW
THAT HEAT IS BEING PUT ON MEXICO AND LA RAZA THEY ARE STATING
PUBLICLY THEY SUPPORT AMERICAS IMMIGRATION LAWS AND THEY NEVER
ENCOURAGED ILLEGAL IMMMIGRATION—. CONSUMATE LIARS!

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By Barely Literate, May 16, 2010 at 9:06 am Link to this comment

Tootsie, you recommended that I,

“...dig deeper, study, contemplate the subject much longer before popping off with such childish and grossly simplistic conclusions.”

You also said:
“Arizona is ours.
Mexico is theirs.
Arizona for Arizonians.
Mexico for Mexicans.

Build the fence higher and
send illegals home.”

I know my history and You are not worth any more of my time.

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By srelf, May 16, 2010 at 12:35 am Link to this comment

Thank you Anderson! Yes! - All students can take these courses. It is a falsehood
to say that the students are segregated in these classes. Horne really seems to be
another politician out of a job due to term limits and desparate in his search fro
another place at the public trough!

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By Mitchell Freedman, May 15, 2010 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment
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Dyson was bullying Horne.  Horne strikes me as simply reacting to the yahoos
that are often in the ethnic studies programs.  Dyson says he wants a more
complete general curriculum, but he is disingenuous, because his career is built
in the department of ethnic studies.  Horne may well be disingenuous, and the
key is not when he says “the Asian…” etc.  It is when he wants to tell the good
news about America, as if learning about Jefferson the slaveholder is bad.

The problem with debates like this one on CNN is that Dyson and surprisingly to a lesser extent Horne
want to trap the other in a way that wants to prove bad motive more than what
is happening in the classes, and what needs to be improved.  Dyson admits the
students in militarist garb was over the top by the students—and their holding
Chavez portraits was to me ironic because Chavez did not want people to wear
militarist garb.  It went against Chavez’s entire program for change and is frankly pretentious and petulant since those students have probably no idea what a real revolution is like or how to hold a gun (I don’t know either, but at least I don’t dress up like a costume party in militarist garb).

Again, Dyson came off as a bully.  He did not “rip apart” Horne.  Worse, Dyson was speaking off the cuff and had no interest or idea what was happening in those classes in Arizona.

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By ramenfreak, May 15, 2010 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

REF: MarthaA
How exactly are the children being oppressed? By free education? Free grants and scholarships available to those who choose to study hard and do well? I honestly do not understand this whole “oppressed victim” mentality…

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By Barely Literate, May 15, 2010 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment

Montana has required Native American Studies to be taught from elementary school through college and it has been a huge success. Public school history and social studies classes must teach our children the mistakes of our past dealings with everyone who were not “us” so that they can learn what not to repeat in the future.

I hear a lot of historical illiterate comments about keeping illegal immigrants (Mexicans) out of Arizona and the other southern border states. Let me remind them that the USA took all of that land from Mexico by force. Maybe Mexico should have had stricter immigration policies against their northern neighbor before it happened.

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By Abduhla Mohamad, May 15, 2010 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment
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Who is this self-important post-modernist windbag Michael Eric Dyson? Is he a
retired rap singer? or out of work preacher. yakkadyyak—oral diarrhea. I sure
wouldn’t want him making curriculum decisions. ALL children should learn
American history WARTS and ALL, but together. Ethnic studies wont prepare our
kids for a job but this is of no concern to ethnic studies teachers. They want to
produce a political solidarity of the losers not to make the kids winners.

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By MarthaA, May 15, 2010 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

So, the superintendent thinks the fact that populace children are oppressed and tyrannized in various ways in school is totally irrelevant, just propagandize them that America is the land of opportunity, so they will think that it is all their fault if they are unable to subsist after doing their best.  Talk about downer, this superintendent is a downer.

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By ramenfreak, May 15, 2010 at 8:56 am Link to this comment
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can someone please explain what “oppression” means?
I honestly don’t get it…

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By photoshock, May 14, 2010 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

Professor Dyson, is absolutely correct in stating that learning the pedagogy of the oppressed is an opportunity for the oppressed to gain freedom from the oppressor and the oppression.
To not learn that Cesar Chavez was a rebel in his time, one who stood up to the white power structure and won the freedom to unionize the farm workers of his day would be a severe loss to those who came afterwards.
How can we learn of the oppression, if we do not teach that we the people have been oppressed by the power structure and global moneyed elite?
The power of knowledge gained is the most important way out of oppression, to remove that from any curriculum in today’s society, is an abomination and a cover-up of the fear that is running rampant that the white, moneyed elite is losing ground to the ‘minority’ vote. Soon enough, the Latino-American, African-American and Asian-Americans will outnumber those who claim ‘Caucasian’ heritage.
America is fast becoming a nation of colour and not one based upon the white power structure, American history, ‘white’ American history is rampant with the
oppression of people of colour.
Dr. King pointed out rightly so, that the power structure of ‘white’ America would not be able to stand the demographic of being outnumbered by people of colour. For this is the very reason that the people of Arizona continue the oppression of Latino-Americans and the oppression of those who for lack of
‘papers’ have to call themselves ‘illegals.’
We are faced in this country with a dilemma, should we with open arms embrace the cultures and heritage of those who immigrate to this country, for economic and political reasons, or should we be exclusively a ‘white power structure’ culture?
Only time will tell which course we take, but if we do not embrace the future, we the people of America will be lost in a morass of balkanization and separation. All because we chose to fear instead of looking to the future.

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By Luis Magno, May 14, 2010 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment
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Some points to consider:

1) A seven-year moratorium on all immigration retroactive to October 12, 2009.
2) Limited immigration after October 12, 2016 employing quotas that reflect the ethno-racial demographic profile of the United States on April 1, 2010 as reflected in the United States 2010 and 2020 Censuses.
3) Ethno-cultural sovereignty for recognized ethno-racial groups including the majority European-American group.
4) Anglo/Hispanic linguo-cultural parity.

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By mike112769, May 14, 2010 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment

We will never evolve as a species until we can let go of the mistakes of the past. Keeping hatred alive for something that happened so long ago benefits nobody.

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By Stephen, May 14, 2010 at 11:37 am Link to this comment
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Classic color-blind racism.

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