diamond defends Obama: How can you come to the idiotic conclusion that he knows nothing about Islam?

I gave him the benefit of the doubt until he opened his mouth in Egypt. Although it is possible that Obama knows the truth but decides not to tell the truth and thats why he makes idiotic remarks.

If you really want to know about Obama’s idiotic remarks i could go over it with you.

You dont want to know so lets drop it.

“And Obama continues the tradition by making even more idiotic remarks without knowing anything about Islam. Wonder why?”

Ozark Michael, Obama’s father is a Muslim. He did part of his education in Indonesia, a Muslim country. How can you come to the idiotic conclusion that he knows nothing about Islam? He certainly knows far more about it than you do.  The whole story about the Fort Hood shootings stinks. It’s got that strange stench of a black op about it and the lies and fabrications only add to the smell.

Except for a smart remark from ardee, no one is showing any interest.

Unless you suddenly seek to compliment me ( of course you dont) I would remind you of the first post of mine regarding those slides:

ardee, November 14 at 8:45 pm #

No “smart or smarmy” remarks only my opinion of the slides.

Accidentally posted this entire set of comments on a different forum.  My
apology if you suffered reading it now twice.

I reviewed the entire 50-slide show.  And if a slide-by-slide lecture is
motivated, OM, by all means be our (my) guest.  Truthdiggers have nothing
better to do anyway.  We (I) might learn something new.

The point is, about Lieberman’s comments, there is no evidence it was other
than a lone individual’s jihad.  There is not even any circumstantial evidence it
was more than that.  And much as I would like it to be one since I have my own
views and have in the past voiced them on TD about the militant Islamists, I do
not believe it was a conspiracy.  Undoubtedly, in my mind, Nidal Hasan was
inspired by his submission to the emotional Islamism that exists in the world
today.  It is based on the reported information that has been dribbling out.
 
What is the issue is Lieberman’s behavior.

Not all Republicans are alike in the degree of self-interest and it was not
always a characteristic of Republicans to be so corporate centered without a
shred of care about the general public.  But that day seems to have faded into
history.  For if there are those Republicans who do have some sense of human
value for all, they diminish it in their blind support of the party rhetoric.

The left have only marginal justification in their reaction to Rightists’ united
efforts to undermine anything that even borders on liberal programs.  The left
becomes touched immediately by an insanity of their own in defensive mode. 
They become the attackers, often as senseless as the other side’s.

This forum is about Lieberman’s underhanded tactic to align himself for
political status.  He is a self-serving grandstander and has shown it in his often
seductive flirting with Republican lockstep positions such as health care reform. 
I claim he is a whore for the Republicans and the Republicans rejoice when he
climbs their soap box.  They will take any political slut for their program.  It is
all right that the Republicans rejoice, it is their opposition and right to do so. 
They should do so! But it is utterly irresponsible that Lieberman uses his quasi
Independent status in the Senate to further his visibility in the news.

If one were to read Lieberman’s statements it is easily seen that he doesn’t say
anything worthwhile.  He makes an inflammatory accusation without giving any
evidence except his conjecture from what was shown on television.  Something
akin to what TDers do on the forums.  That there was a conspiracy for that
attack is downright dippy.  Calling for a full-out probe is caustic.  For if it was
an Islamist plot, it was the stupidest attack conceivable.  That a lone gunman
gunned down 13 people, and not to be forgotten, 1 unborn child, is not stupid
but was preplanned by him.  That only 13 people and 1 unborn child was
gunned down does not make a successful terrorist attack on the United States. 
It is a matter of logistics and sense.  There is no evidence it was anything more
than a one-man jihad.

While Hasan’s attack is without question an act of terrorism, there is nothing
that gives evidence he was an instrument of a jihad outside of his own mind. 
And there is nothing that has not been as drummed in the news as much as his
berserk attack except possibly the death of Michael Jackson.  Every second of
his arraignment, the moment-by-moment media watch at the hospital of his
recovery, and the constant speculation upon speculation by innocuous
reportage including interviews of the ants that crawled around the ground
during the attack and their mothers.  We were amazed at the tiny microphones
used.  It is simply a burlesque.  Mr. Lieberman is noted for jumping at the
chance to send his visage onto the media screen.

Anyone who has been blogging here on Truthdig for a year or two will know that it is very difficult to have a conversation on certain topics. The name calling quickly overwhelms any intelligent conversation. For example, one of those topics is the US policy regarding Israel and Palestine.

Another tough topic is assessing the terror threat. Any attempt to even define terms is met with Truthdig hysteria. We cant even agree on what words to use. There has been no progress at all over the course of several years.

Mr Hasan’s slide presentation would be a chance to understand the terror threat and its relation to Islam. We can explore the broad spectrum of Muslim thought on the issue, which Hasan presented. We can look at the words he defines and discuss if the terms are useful. Its all in those slides.

Except for a smart remark from ardee, no one is showing any interest.

I make the offer again. We can do some work on those slides.

Or you can turn your head away like the doctors did at Walter Reed. Thereby you make it hard to understand the terror threat. You dont want to know or think about it, and you attack anyone who tries to do so.

Which proves my thesis: That the Leftists enable the Jihad in America.

Even though I win the argument I am disappointed. I cannot even shame you into learning and that is quite discouraging.

Although you would suppose that me, a fundamentalist Christian, would have no idea of how a fundamentalist Muslim would think, in fact I have some insight.

Not at all, I think extremism in viewpoints has its similarities everywhere.

PatrickHenry links to an opinion piece about the Fort Hood killings. The writer suspects bad things of Lieberman’s motive. The writer cant prove it but he literally asks us to imagine it.  The writer is… an investment banker! Just the sort of person we need to conjure up something from nothing.

Do you really want to stand beside that awful article, PatrickHenry? I wouldnt mind showing you how weak and poorly written it is.

Meanwhile, ardee, that was a reasonable post. Mostly I admire that you actually looked at the slides, and thought about what they meant. I agree with you that a certain clownish blogger probably didnt look at the slides, and just wanted to get past the topic. Too busy with Joe Lieberman conspiracy theories I guess.

If anyone wants to we can examine the slide presentation. There is a lot to learn there.  Because Hasan had some loyalty to the US, I do believe he was trying to warn people. I also think he was trying to answer a question for himself. This same warning and questioning is what I have been trying to understand about Islam for several years. Just asking about it will draw the charge of “Islamophobe”.

Be careful what questions you ask ardee. Some people dont like questions. Those people make it very hard to understand what is going on, and make it hard to do anything about impending Jihad attacks. Some people on the Left are quite vehement about this.

Although you would suppose that me, a fundamentalist Christian, would have no idea of how a fundamentalist Muslim would think, in fact I have some insight. i have read the Koran and studied the first hand recollections of the people who knew Mohammed. I have read them from the viewpoint of religious seriousness, which seems to be a little unique on this forum.

But I am not going to do the whole thing, I too would like to hear what people have to say. we would need a few intellectual people to do this together.

I must say Hasan’s demonic slide show gave it all away, its called knowing your enemy.

Here are the slides ( courtesy of OzarkMichael)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/11/10/GA2009111000920.html

So, I wonder how many here have perused all fifty slides? How many of those that did so found them to be as that notorious mouthbreather, Patrick Henry, noted above?

Aside from the puzzlement over the lecture, which apparently was off topic, I found the quotes from the Koran not untypical of most religious text frankly, and some of it, like this example:

Verse 60:08 “Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loveth those who are just.”

seem fine to me. He ended that slide show with an appeal to grant conscientious objector status to those of the Islamic faith.

On the whole I see no such hyperbole as some seem to find. I would love more opinions from those possibly more well adjusted or fair minded.

OM,

Lieberman is also a state senator, if you are a Connetticut resident, I thought you may have voted for him.  It is only by voters like you that he is an elected traitor today.

If you didn’t vote for either while endorsing their positions as you have then I surmise you are not a U.S. citizen and thereby the Israeli toad I mentioned earlier.  I’ll bet you are also a fan of Ariel Sharon, another war criminal of note.

PatrickHenry said: I must say Hasan’s demonic slide show gave it all away, its called knowing your enemy.

I guess you cant quite connect the dots. If Hasan’s slide show gave it all away, why didnt anyone stop him before he performed his act of Jihad? You are proving my point but you dont seem to realize it.

Bush43 should have watched it before he went on TV and made a fool (once again) of himself by not knowing anything about Islam.

And Obama continues the tradition by making even more idiotic remarks without knowing anything about Islam. Wonder why?

Oh yes, Leiberman was with Gore. Does PatrickHenry still want to know if i voted for Bush and Lieberman? You were so intent on finding out that you called me a toad blogging from Israel for no reason. Are you dropping the toad blogging from Israel charge too?

Apparently not. But at the same time you dont want to be called out on your Jew baiting because its a Tired old tactic?

You are the one who brought up toad blogging from Israel for no reason at all. Retract it if you want to. Or you can explain it. Otherwise accept the label that you richly deserve.

OM,

Interesting article here concering Lieberman, Hasan and the Israelis.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9379&mode;=&order=0&thold=0

With views as yours I could suspect you were one of those “sayanim” the article talks about, I just thought they would be smarter.

OM,

Obviously you have a mental impediment which you can’t remember whom you voted for but thats OK, I wouldn’t want admit to it either. 

I voted for Nader both times, didn’t like Gore-Lieberman or Kerry-Edwards.

I must say Hasan’s demonic slide show gave it all away, its called knowing your enemy.  Bush43 should have watched it before he went on TV and made a fool (once again) of himself by not knowing anything about Islam.  I especially like the end where Hasan makes the case for giving conscientious objector status to muslims which I agree given their religious beliefs.

Alot of others opinions besides yours consider this murder and not terrorism.

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=6488

I see your another moron who defends Israel by calling its critics “jew-baiters”.  Tired old tactic.

Israel is a state not a religion.

PatrickHenry accuses me: You failed to answer if you were a Bush and Lieberman supporter as did you vote for them?

The reason i didnt answer is because it was impossible to vote for Bush and Lieberman at the same time. You are such a boob for asking that i didnt want to embarrass you.

Then PatrickHenry does some Jew-baiting: That would answer alot, unless your another toad blogging from Israel.

Ah, and if you werent a toad blogging for Mohammed you would have known it was Bush-Cheney vs Kerry-Lieberman. Cant vote for both, you clown.

ardee said: Michael, your argument might be better served if you provided a link to said charges.

I thought everyone would would be familiar with the story before posting. Ah well. And you probably can only read White House approved newspapers, so maybe you dont know anything at all.

Links? Hmm. I cant use Fox because they arent a White House approved news outlet. Cant use any conservative websites. Cant use British ones since some Truthdigger in the last article said it just proves how bad the BBC is.

I guess what i can do is find the slides for you. Are you aware that I teach you guys more than anyone on Truthdig? (with the notable exception of Shenonymous)

Here are the slides:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/11/10/GA2009111000920.html

The amazing thing about these slides… i have discussed these very Jihad doctrines on Truthdig for years, arguing sharply with Fadel, cyrena, Nabih and many others. Even though I was headed the right direction, many insults and some threats got hurled my way.

Would be nice if Truthdig would ‘drill beneath the headlines’ and start a ‘dig’ on these slides. But they wont. So all you have is me. I would love to go over the slides with you. That would be profitable for everyone.

If the slides are too much work for you, then you can read/listen to a rather truncated summary at NPR. You guys are allowed to listen to NPR right?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120162816

By OzarkMichael, November 14 at 6:22 am #

Nice 6th grade thesis comming from the islamofacist fan club or some elementary school in Israel.

Provide some links to what you claim as you have a tendency to twist facts and reality (in your own mind). 

I’m still waiting for Hasan’s video to come out, you know the one the Arab and particularly Palestinian jihadists film about themselves stating their mission and why they are doing it. Why would Hasan miss an opportunity to rub the U.S. nose in it?

BTW, we are up to our ears in Islamic terrorism everyday.  You can’t turn on the radio without hearing about it, so I think your arguement about speaking about Islamic terrorism is pretty lame, but if we talk about it in the context of Israeli terrorism and the taboo in the press about repoting it I would be inclined to agree.

You failed to answer if you were a Bush and Lieberman supporter as did you vote for them?  That would answer alot, unless your another toad blogging from Israel.

Michael, your argument might be better served if you provided a link to said charges.

Finally, I write the next section of ‘Jihad in America’

Thesis: Those Leftists who attack Lieberman or me for telling the truth today are the same Leftists who have enabled the successful Jihad attack at Fort Hood.

Lets take one episode that has emerged from Hasan’s army life and I will show you what i mean.

Hasan was a doctor at Walter Reed. Once he was given the honor of leading what is called ‘grand rounds’.

In medicine, grand rounds is almost sacred. The expert doctor shares medical expertise with new doctors and students by discussing not so much a disease(that is easy to do) but a real patient over time(that is hard to do). And the students have to think and sometimes answer in front of the crowd. But also the expert has to answer for what he did. This is an important learning experience.
 
So Hasan uses this priviledge to lecture… about the Koran! and what it says about the punishment for non-belief. The professors and the medical staff in attendence sat there a bit puzzled, there was no patient to discuss nor was there a therapeutic advance to argue about.

Instead Hasan described how burning oil is poured down the non-believer’s throat.

Hasan then presented a Koranic view of Jihad. He continued his presentation for an hour, with his summary message to the Infidels projected on the wall for all to see… “We love death more than you love life!”

The doctors were stunned and wondered, “Is this guy a terrorist?”

Surely this was a red flag of Jihad ideology? Surely someone wrote a complaint or filed a report? And surely his superior officer booted him out of the Armed Forces?

No, No, and No.

So the painful question has to be asked, “why not?”

I will tell you why. Leftists have created an environment where it is not safe to call a Muslim into question. Calling a Muslim into question looks ‘racist’, ‘bigoted’, ‘biased’, ‘Islamophobic’ and so on(You know, all the things you have called me). There are lawyers, and newpapers, and Truthdiggers who will run your name into the ground. Remember, Hasan hadnt actually hurt anybody yet, so any accusation would make the accuser look like he was discriminating.

Nobody wants to be thought of as a racist. Nobody wants to be accused of bigotry. And in the army they keep track of how well you promote diversity. “Islamophobic” wont look good on your record.

So what happened?

Nothing happened. Hasan went on his way, dropping more red flags and never getting stopped.

Even now, even after the terror attack, Lieberman is the one who is the problem, not Hasan. We have a whole blog running Lieberman down because he speculated that this is terrorism. Meanwhile, what Truthdig article delved into Hasan’s motivation?

None.

The lesson? One must not speak of Islamic terrorism at all costs. This is what most Leftists want. This is what most Truthdiggers want, and many of you have provided evidence of it in all three articles.

Up to this moment most of you STILL wont admit that it looks like Islamic terrorism.

Here is omop from a few hours ago: But the only thing dirty filthy greasy pro war media and its believers is the Muslim angle.

In other words, be like the doctors at Walter Reed and dont ask questions about the Muslim angle.
Because anyone who dares ask questions is filthy greasy dirty!

Thus it was that Leftists created an environment where a future Jihadist in plain view was not stopped. Therefore you are to blame for enabling the Jihad.

First Patrck Henry says: Generally terrorism is defined as a tactic with a political goal.  I don’t see this in this trajedy.

PatrickHenry continues cluelessly: There are many neighborhoods throughout America infested with gangs who would rather go down fighting than be incarcerated.  Why dont the Hasan’s and Cho’s go there to flip?

Let me help. The reason that Hasan didnt go shooting up some gangs was because that wouldnt further his political goal. Which is why his attack is best described as “terrorist” in its nature and its intent.

No more digressions for me, be back in a few hours with the “Jihad in America” conclusion.

By PatrickHenry, November 13 at 9:02 am #

By ardee, November 13 at 11:33 am #

Apology accepted for your willful ignorance

For Patrick Henry I am sorry both for mistaking the cited remarks and for your parents lack of concern about what they were raising.

Ozark/Michael needs to read and think about this comment before claiming his
infantile slant that this murderous act is Jihad.

  The much more relevant and inconvenient (for war mongers) issues here are
the fact that this guy was freaked out and depressed about his deployment to
the Bush war zone now being managed and lied about by Obama.
This guy was also westernized in that he was OK with strippers and
booze…....not exactly fundamentalist stuff.

This guy was a shrink and possibly on SSRI meds.

But the only thing dirty filthy greasy pro war media and its believers is the
Muslim angle.

By ardee, November 13 at 11:33 am #

Apology accepted for your willful ignorance.

OM,

I don’t recognize you as anyone who can “let me off the hook”.  Just a twister of posts.

I posted SOB’s, plural i.e. more than one. There are many neighborhoods throughout America infested with gangs who would rather go down fighting than be incarcerated.  Why dont the Hasan’s and Cho’s go there to flip?

As far as Lieberman is concerned, he is a turn coat of the first order to his party and to his nation. His loyalties to America are largely suspect as his loyalties to Israel prevail.  He is however, the Connecticut voters problem.

Now let me ask you OM, are you a supporter of Lieberman and Bush 43 policies?  It seems evident in your posts.  I could understand if you build submarines and you wife works in the insurance business, Lieberman would be your messiah.

For Patrick Henry I am sorry both for mistaking the cited remarks and for your parents lack of concern about what they were raising.

From Tomgram:

Tomgram: Alfred McCoy, Surveillance State, U.S.A.

Wars come home in strange, unnerving ways—as Americans have just discovered at Fort Hood. Even before Major Nidal Malik Hasan went on his killing spree, that base, a major military embarkation point for our war zones, was already experiencing the after-effects of eight years of war and repeated tours of duty. The suicide rate at Fort Hood was soaring (with 10 on the base in 2009 alone). Divorce rates were on the rise, as were mental health problems, drug and alcohol use, domestic abuse (up 75% since 2001), and murders among war-zone returnees. Even violent crime in Killeen, the town that houses the base, was up 22% (though it was down, according to the New York Times, “in towns of similar size in other parts of the country”). In an era in which our last president urged Americans to support his Global War on Terror by shopping and visiting Disney World, it often seemed that, except for soldiers and their families, our wars abroad affected little in this country.

For everyone’s edification i found a video where one of the eyewitnesses recalls the terrorist attack in rather vivid detail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkta8KbAmt4&feature=player_embedded

PatrickHenry said: OM, I must disagree with your ascertion those of us who disagree with Lieberman are enabling your “Jihad in America”.

If only it was merely disagreement, then i would let you off the hook. You went a little farther than that, didnt you?

Right now I am busy and cant finish “Jihad in America” comments tonight. Tomorrow night I hope to do so. 

Meanwhile, care to explain this little gem of yours, PatrickHenry?

Why do these wackos always kill unarmed innocents when truely deserving SOB’s remain.

What exactly did you mean by that?

The article and all the posts here have Lieberman as the bad guy, the “wretched putz”, “snake”,  “BS-SOB Double crosser” etc. It culminates in your post PatrickHenry.

So who is the truely deserving SOB that you were thinking deserves to be killed?

By ardee, November 13 at 12:19 am #

Hey boob, you quote OM’s post and ascribe it to me.

What a clown.

OM,

Generally terrorism is defined as a tactic with a political goal.  I don’t see this in this trajedy.

The rank of Major is a field grade as opposed to company grade officer, typically an individual is vetted thoroughly before attaining this rank.

Death by cop is unfortunate but a reality becomming more frequent. I believe this is one of those situations only it was an Palistinian American this time.

OM, I must disagree with your ascertion those of us who disagree with Lieberman are enabling your “Jihad in America”.  He is merely an opportunist who is trying and succeeding in making media points with his master, Israel. 

What does it tell you that the murder rate in the U.S. easily surpasses all the Jihadi terrorist deaths perpetrated throughout the world.  It tells me that Jihadi terrorists don’t hold a candle to US criminals.

When Yamamoto was aked about invading the U.S. he replied that he would never attack a nation which behind every blade of grass was a gun.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan was acting in accord with his understanding of Mohammed’s instructions as found in the Koran. Therefore the killing at Fort Hood was an act of Jihad in the way of Allah. It can best be described as Islamic terrorism.

Fascinating how one can believe he knows exactly what was running through the head of this man. Such special insight must not go uncommented upon…...The army doesn’t yet know, the press doesnt yet know, his fellow soldiers at Ft. Hood dont know yet either…But Patrick knows…or was that The Shadow?

OZARK/MICHAEL might rethink hisself after reading extracts of a European
website’s take on the Major Nidal affair.

In what one Russian Military Analyst (jokingly?) speculated could possibly be a
“very sick” way of publicizing a new American movie opening this week about
the US Pentagons decades long experiments in mind-control technology (“The
Men Who Stare At Goats”), has instead, according to these reports, resulted in a
tragic massacre of at least 13 US Soldiers preparing for deployment to the Iraq
war from the giant US military base of Fort Hood, Texas.

From Western propaganda news media reports on this massacre the American
people are being told that a US Army Military Trained Psychiatrist, Major Nidal
Malik Hasan [photo top left], became despondent over his recently receiving
orders to deploy to Iraq and in “typical” lone gunman fashion “decided” to open
fire on hundreds of his fellow soldiers killing and wounding them without
discrimination.

Completing the “new legend” (in almost record time too) about this “lone
gunman” being made responsible for this massacre, the Western propaganda
machines are reporting such idiocies as Major Hasan having previously
“complained to relatives of harassment by fellow-officers mocking him for being
Middle Eastern” (Major Hasan’s parents came from small Palestinian town near
Jerusalem) and his “attracting the attention of police six months ago for internet
postings analyzing the motives of suicide bombers that was not formally
investigated”.

Interesting to note in these reports, however, about Major Hasan is his past
psychiatric training, paid for by the US Military, at Virginia Tech University where
he graduated from that schools Center for Applied Behavior Systems with a
degree in biochemistry, a school which FSB reports have long warned “is most
likely” one of the US Department of Defenses top PSYOP training centers and
where in April, 2007, it suffered the worst school massacre in US history when a
Chinese student named Seung-Hui Cho, reported to be a subject to mind-
control experiments, single-handedly gunned down 32 fellow students.

Even more interesting to note is that from the initial chaotic scene of the Fort
Hood massacre not just the wounded Major Hanson taking into custody, but so
were three other “alleged” gunmen, two of whom were released leaving one, at
last report, still in US Army custody.

Now to understand the circumstances that placed Major Hasan at Fort Hood in
the first place one has to understand that he was one of the US Militaries top
PSYOP specialists and had received his medical degree, with honors, from the
Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland, in
2001, and did his internship at Walter Reed Army Hospital.

Major Hasan then became one of the top researchers at the US Center for the
Study of Traumatic Stress in the field this US Military funded organization stated
was:

“Center scientists are actively engaged in studies of military deployment, combat
stress and the mental health of active duty, Guard and Reserve and veterans.
This research helps military command (leaders, physicians and mental health
providers) mitigate, respond to and foster recovery from the consequences of
war and other military extreme environments that can occur in combat,
peacekeeping and humanitarian assistance.

In addition, a primary focus of the Center is conducting studies of the impact of
deployment on servicemen and women and their families. This research includes
surveillance of psychiatric problems among battle injured soldiers, and
measuring the psychological effect of treating severely injured and disfigured
soldiers deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan on health care providers at
institutions like Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the National Naval Medical
Center.”

I said: “Every Truthdigger who attacked me for telling the truth in the other thread, and who attacked Lieberman for telling the truth in this thread, is an enabler for Jihad in America.”

PatrickHenry responds: Now explain to me how I ensured a fanatic to go off and kill 13 people.

Thank you for requesting an explanation. I begin:

Over the years, we have been told repeatedly that Islamic terrorist attacks have nothing to do with Islam. We are told repeatedly that the terrorists are ‘crazy’ or that they ‘snapped’. We are told that the reasons for the ‘crazy’ ‘snapping’ have to do with how awful we Westerners treat Muslims. The terrorist is portrayed as a civil rights victim who finally went ‘nuts’ with despair after all the insults.

And that explanation is quite convenient and pleasant to most Leftists, because it places blame for the Muslim terrorist on people that Leftists already dont like, such as President Bush.

Another reason it is popular for Leftists is the interesting pyschological device called dispacement. The Leftist displaces anger and fear of the dangerous and perplexing terrorist. Transfers that anger to someone that is easier to understand, someone it is safe(even fun) to be angry at. Fundamentalist Christians, Jews, conservatives, Fox News, etc. 

The problems begin whenever reality breaks in and throws the arrangement into doubt. The Leftists have a strong reaction when their convenient and pleasant psychological displacement is threatened.

Does anyone know what that reaction is?

If you dont know the answer, just react to what i say and your reaction will show the answer:

Major Nidal Malik Hasan was acting in accord with his understanding of Mohammed’s instructions as found in the Koran. Therefore the killing at Fort Hood was an act of Jihad in the way of Allah. It can best be described as Islamic terrorism.

More tonite as time allows.

Who are you to tell anyone to shut up? I repeat my point:

ardee, November 11 at 10:09 am #

diamond, November 10 at 8:01 pm #

Would you feel so relaxed, ardee, if he was a Catholic priest and recommended that Jewish babies should be murdered if they were a threat to the Vatican?

Yes, exactly. Did you fail to read my first response, or are you incapable of understanding the point?

Once again, there are radicals of every persuasion; they are in the minority; reasonable folks do not follow them; in fact, in normal circumstance they remain unnoticed for the most part. If we remove our troops from foreign soil, if we assist the poor in every corner of the world, if we deal fairly with all people they gain no leverage.

It seems simple enough, but it simply fails to feed the flames of your hatreds I guess.

Evasions won’t help you ardee. Either condemn wholeheartedly the disgraceful hate crimes against defenceless children and babies encouraged by what the Rabbi said or be quiet.

gerard, November 10 at 1:42 am I also hope that you are wrong on every count
but I think not. Also was it ever mentioned that Major Hasan is of Palestinian
descent? I have seen it in only one place and that is an article titled ‘Fort Hood
suspect contacted Islamist’ By Jeremy Pelofsky and ?Adam Entous 11/10/09 7;30
est

OM,

Now explain to me how I ensured a fanatic to go off and kill 13 people.  It’s too bad no one had a concealed carry, could have saved alot of lives.

Israel may not have had a hand in the event but they will certainly have it spun in the most unfavorable light by their people over here (Lieberman).

Zionists need the muslims cast in an unfavorable light don’t they?  I remember years back where that US settler jew went into a mosque with a machine gun
and whacked alot of muslims.  It quickly faded off the media.

PatrickHenry said of the terrorist attack: This time I don’t see an Israeli hand, more likely a disrespected muslim officer who happened to be mentally dangerous and likely overheard “raghead” for the last time before he snapped.

While one should be grateful for little things, like the fact that PatrickHenry doesnt see an Israeli hand in this terror attack, one must admit the worst about PatrickHenry: he is the sort of person who ensured that the terrorist attack would succeed.

Every Truthdigger who attacked me for telling the truth in the other thread, and who attacked Lieberman for telling the truth in this thread, is an enabler for Jihad in America.

It is at your feet that the blame for this successful terrorist attack belongs. Not Lieberman. Not me. Its not hard to prove it, either.

Why do these wackos always kill unarmed innocents when truely deserving SOB’s remain.

A different and exalted Jihad? ( according to Lieberman and his admirers)

  Chabad Settler Rabbi Quote: Jews Can Kill Non-Jews At Will.

  Rabbi Yitzchak Shapira [Updated 6:20 pm.] “It is permissable to kill the
Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening
situation. If we kill a Gentile who has violated one of the seven
commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is
nothing wrong with the murder [either].”

 
  Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar
settlement, wrote in his book “The King’s Torah” that EVEN BABIES AND
CHILDREN can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.

In both this and the previous article on this subject, we find an interesting phenomenon. The simple truth must not be spoken.

The simple truth: Nidal Hasan was a Muslim man. When he killed people at Fort Hood he was acting upon principles that Islamic terrorists use.

Anyone coming near the truth like Leiberman did is excoriated and condemned. As if its Leiberman’s fault that this gunman killed 13 people. In the prior Truthdig article we had posters blame the following for the Fort Hood attack: a CIA conspiracy, the FBI, President Bush, the war in Iraq, the War in Afghanistan, Israel, and my favorite, the Judeo-Christian ethic.

Well, that is the Truthdig way. No investigation at all into what happened or why it happened. You save your ire for anyone who tells the truth about why it happened or wants to investigate it. Most of you are afraid to even think about it i guess.

But not always! We had quite a bit of analysis when the abortionist got shot this spring. Oh yes Truthdig enthusiastically traced the cause to statements made by Bill O’Reilly or Glen Beck, or churches, or whatever. No punches pulled there. Every stone got turned and waved in the air. Wonder why no one here is doing that now?

One person(Leiberman) has the nerve to say what we all suspect is true, and on Truthdig he becomes the problem, and some people even suggest that he is the CAUSE of the killing at Fort Hood.

Well. I go farther than Lieberman… and some of you will hate me it… This terrorist attack was Jihad in the way of Allah.

You can criticize my style or call me names, but not a single one of you will argue with me because you know I am right.

If you can blame Leiberman for the killing at Fort Hood, then two can play at that game. i hope to post again tonight and we will see if you can take it as well as you dish it out.

thecrow, I visited the site you listed and was most shocked.  It is from
Agugust 2008 and wonder why if this all is known by such notables as Dan
Rather, why it still has not been investigated?  How can this be instigated?  I
find writing congressmen totally useless or trying to call them.  Besides the
congressmen in my region do not answer phone calls. It has to be an effort
outside of the government I am convinced.  Perhaps Dan Rather has a website? 
I will check.

Even if what is suggested is not an indictment, even if all the facts are
circumstantial or unrelated to the twin towers catastrophe, the public ought to
be told, even at this late date.

Michael Fury does not have a section of already-made comments listed but
only gives an opportunity for visitors to the site to make comments.  I would
like to see other’s comments about this information.  Thank you for publicizing
this awful account.

“I think it’s very important to let…the FBI go forward with this investigation before we reach any conclusions.”

Agreed, Senator.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/movers-and-shakers/

diamond, November 10 at 8:01 pm #

Would you feel so relaxed, ardee, if he was a Catholic priest and recommended that Jewish babies should be murdered if they were a threat to the Vatican?

Yes, exactly. Did you fail to read my first response, or are you incapable of understanding the point?

Once again, there are radicals of every persuasion; they are in the minority; reasonable folks do not follow them; in fact, in normal circumstance they remain unnoticed for the most part. If we remove our troops for foreign soil, if we assist the poor in every corner of the world, if we deal fairly with all people they gain no leverage.

It seems simple enough, but it simply fails to feed the flames of your hatreds I guess.

Look closely at this wretched putz.  You know how he talks; you can hear his voice: one third honey tones and two thirds snake venom.  He is the Glenn Beck of the Democratic party.  By this time next year, Obama will sound exactly like Lieberman - the whiny voice like a muffled leaf blower dispensing outright lies, hypocrisy, BS and death.  This is the Democratic party with Obama as Lieberman’s acolyte.

By Mike3, November 10 at 1:16 pm #

“Joe Lieberman wants probe of “terrorist attack”! That’s funny: he never said the same about 9/11!”

My sentiments exactly. 

This time I don’t see an Israeli hand, more likely a disrespected muslim officer who happened to be mentally dangerous and likely overheard “raghead” for the last time before he snapped.

Would you feel so relaxed, ardee, if he was a Catholic priest and recommended that Jewish babies should be murdered if they were a threat to the Vatican? Or would you be outraged and condemn him for it? The normal humane response to such completely revolting comments. Haaretz is a fine newspaper and often brings such outrages to light. America doesn’t have any mainstream newspapers like this.

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro only illustrates that there are nutjobs in every religion, and nothing more.

I read that Dov Zakheim the man who lost 2.3 trillion dollars from the Pentagon shortly before 9/11 is also a Rabbi. There seems to be a lot of it going around.

Here’s a Rabbi’s pleadings acccording to Haaretz to Joe’s whinings:

  An Israeli rabbi has supported the murder of non-Jewish babies who pose a
threat to Israel in his recently released book The King’s Torah.

  Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva religious school
in the occupied West Bank, says Jews are allowed to murder even non-Jewish
babies and children if they pose a threat to Israel, Haaretz reported.

  Shapiro said Jews are allowed to kill ‘those who, by speech, weaken our
sovereignty’.

  “It is permissible to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not
responsible for the threatening situation,” he wrote.

  Several prominent rabbis, including Rabbi Yithak Ginzburg and Rabbi Yaakov
Yosef, have also recommended the book to their students and followers.

  According to the most reverand Pat Robertson and ex US Presidentiaal
Candidate “Islam is like fascism” but Judaism is a REAL religion.

Mike3 thank you for making me laugh. You’re right of course. Lieberman and his pals didn’t want any investigation into 9/11 and the one they got was a white wash from beginning to end. The 9/11 Commission Report is a document in which every word is a lie including ‘and’ and ‘the’, to quote Lillian Hellman. As for terrorism, he should look in the mirror.

Joe Lieberman wants probe of “terrorist attack”! That’s funny: he never said the same about 9/11!

Your point is well taken Hulk2008.  I missed the Scarborough Defense.  I find
him frequently overreactive and given to verbal diarrhea.  I am not saying that
criticism isn’t proper or needed.  It definitely is if we want to survive as free-
thinking animals.  I’m suggesting that we ought to promote ourselves as
animals that can make good judgments about reality.  I am saying that
inflammatory bombast is plain and simple emotional and melodramatic
invective.  The Republicans Rightists have made a science of it and are masters
at automatically belching it out… and apparently so are the far Leftists.  Real
progress can only be made in my opinion, and scheming excessively short-
fused mouth-jerks like Lieberman made mute is if cool thinking and controlled
thoughtful reaction is exercised.  You know, like self-control?  Like analytical
reflection?  You know, like using the critical thinking brain that humans
uniquely have?  But there are those who have an abnormal love of the
blogsweat they generate on their brows and armpits by the high energy they
expend in reactive stimulation of their primitive reptilian limbic system.

Having spent 4 years of my life in the enlisted ranks 1964 - 1968 I can vouch for the old statement “Rank Has Its Privileges”.  If a guy/gal is not tossed out during OTS, that person has a long privileged career ahead.  It is a base assumption that ANY officer is head and shoulders above even a top NCO - not to be examined about habits or attitudes.  Moreover, those who favor the military are knee-jerk considered “one of us” and anybody who criticizes them instantly labeled UNpatriotic.  Viewers of MSNBC “Morning Joe” today saw Scarborough launch into a vehement filibuster against all who even remotely test the quality of the US forces - his stance being that such comments are mere “far left” attacks on George Bush (noting HE was the only person to mention W at all). 
  So goes Lieberman and all defense hawks - to criticize them for gross overspending or fearmongering is instantly labeled treasonous.  Unfortunately, the electorate has been so frightened for the last 8 1/2 years and more that the Faux Snooze approach is now the norm.

BrasscheckTV was the most incredibly biased and partisan strawman
hypothesis ever invented.  Well….one of them.  Speak about jumping to
conclusions!  Throw in gerard’s conjectures and you have a good fermentation
going on.  Drink up, and enjoy the flavor of non compos mentis.  Good grief,
no wonder the rest of the world thinks progressives are over-the-edge-left-
wing nuts.

Lieberman with amazing regularity shows he is a self-serving political thug
who acts as a shill for the Republican playbook running interference while the
others can keep leveling their lock-step intentional undercutting of the
Democratic and Obama effort to fix the Republican party’s miserable 8-year
and then some aftermath.  Another megalomaniac.  Independent!  What a bald-
faced hypocrite who continues to appeal to his constituents.  Go figure. 

So there you have it.  Two sides of the American wing-nut coin. 

It is obvious no one pays much attention to truth.  Truth?  What the f is
that?  Who the f cares about something that doesn’t exist, right?  Get a grip!

gerard, November 10 at 1:42 am

Sorry sir but your very perceptive commentary is reality.

Lieberman quite possibly seizes upon this act in order to wave the flag and distract us all from his latest gaffe vis-a-vis health care reform.

There is the possibility that waterboarding could have been used, as was told, but maybe for brainwashing “selected” types able to be used for just this purpose. I wonder if this guy will ever “wake-up”. I wonder also if all the Israeli terrorist attacks on American people of muslim faith in our own country have been investigated. Sound stupid?? Most information that comes from politicos(especially LIEberman) is totally suspect because an air of distrust has been created due to lack of integrity. Is there a politician who has not lined their pocket in some form or fashion and yet tried to justify it by spin. Like tax loopholes for those who don’t need them, it is done everyday. When people, not unlike myself, who would put integrity first are able to run and be elected to office will trust reverse. Until then…..

As investigations go forward, look for the following:
1. The shooter’s various kindnesses to neighbors will disappear. His “oddness” will be emphasized. 2. His connections to “radical Islam” will be given much attention.  3. The many “warning signals” he gave of extreme distress will be downplayed.  4.  The effects on counsellors of listening to soldiers’ traumas (secondary PTSD) will be downplayed. 5. Reasons for not releasing him from service in the Middle East as he requested will drop out of sight. 6. The fact that he offered to pay back the entire cost of his psychiatric training if he were released will be forgotten.  7. Inadequacies of military’s treatment for PTSD will be minimized. 8. Questions of the psychopathology of war and violence will not be faced. 9. Importance of continuing the “war on terror” and fear of “Islamic extremism” will be re-emphasized. P.S.  I desperately hope I am wrong on every count!

This is from BrasscheckTV. Great commentary about this incident.

Ok, let’s get this out of the way.

Fort Hood - tragic.

Now let’s look at some reality.

ONE guy shooting a hand gun killed
HOW many people - and on a military
base? Ae you serious?

And the one shooter is now in a coma?

And, as of now at least, there’s no
surveillance camera footage?

And he’s a Muslim who also happens
to be a serviceman with a mental
disorder involving gunplay who did
it with privately owned weapons?

This thing could not have been scripted or
casted better if Hollywood had produced it.

Let’s see:

1. Private gun ownership demonized - check
2. Muslims demonized - check
3. Military personnel demonized - check
4. Base dwelling troops at home terrorized
by a fellow American - check
5. Yet another chance to distract the public - check

If this really happened the way it’s been spun,
there have to be a lot of social engineers
high fiving each other at their good luck. 

And what about the logic of the gunman?

He was afraid of being deployed to a combat
zone…so he created one at home so he
could be killed sooner? I realize the man
was “crazy” but come on.

(I wonder what prescribed medically-endorsed
pharmaceutical substance(s) he was one. We’ll
never know because it would violate his privacy.
Score another one for Big Pharma.)

13 killed and 30 wounded by one man with
two pistols.

Nearly a 50% kill rate.

Ever fired a handgun? Ever tried aiming
and firing two at a time? Under pressure?
Ever reload a handgun under pressure?
There were people shooting at him. That’s
a little pressure.

We’re talking about yet *another* superhuman
performance by a “lone gunman” who is
conveniently not conscious to tell the tale.

Caliber doesn’t matter and the bogus
non-fact that these were “automatic”
pistols is bull**** as well.

Meanwhile, we’re being drowned in
flags, memorials and interviews with
the victims’ families - and a total
absence of any information that makes
sense.

“But the government would never
do such a thing to its own troops!”

Uh, excuse me. It’s putting thousands
of them through a meat grinder in
a pointless, unwinnable charade of
a war as we speak - in two countries,
while gearing up for two more (Iran
and Pakistan.)

Do you think the dead and wounded
from overseas are any less dead and
wounded victims from Fort Hood?

Assume the gunman was crazy. What
does that make the Bush-Bama regime? 

Here’s a news report about *another*
mass shooting by a lone gunman with two
pistols that sneaked its way onto the air
before it was pulled off and never replayed.

Reality please, just a little reality.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/96.html

- Brasscheck