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UAVs: The Future of Warfare in America

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Posted on Jul 23, 2009
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Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said it, and judging by this three-part series from CNN, the age of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) is upon us. It’s warfare by joystick—and the Predator drone is only the beginning.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 27, 2009 at 8:16 am Link to this comment

Now you see why a second civil war just might not work this time. They have so much experience in such warfare it would just lead to a few stalwarts in the mountains evading for the rest of their miserable lives. Not a good prospect for anyone in their own country.

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By Anarcissie, July 26, 2009 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

Another aspect of war by remote control we might want to consider is that if war is waged from, say, the suburbs of Pasadena, then the suburbs of Pasadena, and everything like them, become fair targets for a counterattack.  This reflexive relationship was mentioned after 9/11, but at that time was declared an unpatriotic obscenity.  I don’t think the millions of people who hate the U.S. were listening, however.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 26, 2009 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

Not as long as it is reported in such a limited, pro-USA way as it is. Al-Jazeera shows it in all its ugly glory unlike the antiseptic way it is done here.

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By Zeital, July 26, 2009 at 10:33 am Link to this comment
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Trying to reduce human beings to ‘desensitized’ drones, incapable of thought, but subservient to some authority which determines what to ‘think’ and ‘believe’ in has its uses.

“One-fourth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body. We are in charge of God’s selection process for planet earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death”. Psychologist Barbara Marx Hubbard. Member of Task Force Delta; [United States Army Think Tank]

“...In short, the ‘house of world order’ will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great ‘booming, buzzing confusion,’ to use William James’ famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault”. Richard N. Gardner, in “Foreign Affairs” April 1974

“What luck for the rulers that man do not think”. Adolf Hitler [Austrian soldier and leader of Germany]

A more reflective view:

“The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings, but shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We have split the atom, but not our prejudice. We spend more, but have less; more knowledge, but less time; more experts, but more problems. We have been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet the new neighbour. We have more medicine, but less wellness. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. These are the days of throw-away morality, one-night stands, over-weight bodies, and pills that do every thing from cheer to quiten to kill. We drink too much, smoke too much, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry too quickly and pray too seldom”. Georg Carlin

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By felicity, July 26, 2009 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

Numbed to the agonies of war (the pay-off to the perpitrators of surgical strikes), immunized to their horrors will we no longer deplore them?  If we no longer had our military personnel getting killed on Iraqi or Afghani ground, would we even care that we were slaughtering others by the thousands?

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By radson, July 26, 2009 at 5:59 am Link to this comment

Hollywood and their machinations
Where dreams come true
But also nightmares
The viewers are swooned by the incredulity
That is actually closer to reality
The machines of war have become like toys
That wreak havoc from a world away
To keep the terrorists at bay
Collateral damage the terminator and the drones
All converge to leave the world
In shock and awe

But there is a flaw
Bin the farmer from tarnak
Is nowhere to be found
Yet he is everywhere ,like a cat with nine lives
Resuscitated in the nick of time
To match the rhyme,or is it crime
From Anthony ,Cheney and howling Powell
Legacy is everything- really-

Clancey and his planes
And the patriot games
A game to some
Yet the towers are gone
Not because of the rising sun
For the sum of all fears
Maybe drawing near

The blood oil must flow
For it’s all they know
To rule the world
Exxon and xenophobia
Suffering from myopia
But do not despair
Professor Klump is there
With his new slogan
YES WE CAN
Planet earth beware

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By Anarcissie, July 26, 2009 at 5:31 am Link to this comment

Actually, I believe drones and other robotic weapons systems will favor small groups such as guerrilla fighters and terrorists.  If there is one thing that becomes widely distributed very quickly these days, it’s technology.  The technology necessary to provide guidance and control to a relatively crude short-range missle is not very advanced anyway.  The world now abounds in the materials needed.  Unlike nuclear materials, they are relatively cheap, too.

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By Zeital, July 25, 2009 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment
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The development of drones is well underway in Russia, China, Pakistan, India, Israel, and various European countries. This technology is being tried on the electronic battlefield and high technology countries like Japan and South Korea also have an interest in developing robotic warfare. Just as the invention of aircraft heralded warfare being spread more in indiscriminately, (successive advent of the space age has turned the entire globe into a theatre of war); all nations will develop ways towards developing and applying these technologies. The U.S.A and its close allies are not banking on a way to supremacy, but guaranteeing the rest of the world will quickly develop asymmetric warfare, or expand robotic/electronic warfare. Major states or power blocs will all have an ‘interest’ in expanding their research into these technologies, ensuing a future war will be increasingly unpredictable to control (war has never been predictable) and ultimately could lead to mutually assured annihilation.

In short, America and its allies will leave the rival states no choice but to have a deterrent which would mean such an annihilation. What an era to be witnessing.

The apex of human technological or scientific development meets the height of human idiosyncrasy.

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By gezelda, July 25, 2009 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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This is my third try on this, but here goes.  Maybe I’ll get posted this time>

Like the guy said, future wars will “project power without projecting vulnerability.”  How cowardly is that?  No matter how many people we kill, so long as we don’t lose anybody, and don’t have to look how many we killed and injured, it’s okay. Let technology kayo that troulesome “human factor”!  Down with empathy! 

Come on, ladies!  It’s your turn to run the world.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 25, 2009 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

That is only if the larger processors can gain sentience and adapt their own programming for themselves. Become actual A.I.‘s And you cut the human factor out of the loop. Some of them aren’t so keen on giving autonomy to them. I guess we shall see if we get any ‘friendly fire’ from ‘rogue drones’ in the near or far future.

Hacking their operating systems could turn them against their own troops too. Like making them think their own troops are the enemy would do.

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By gezelda, July 24, 2009 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment
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As the guy said, “power without vulnerability”—the ultimate in “overriding human nature.” For centuries men have been trying to make a game out of war regardless of how many innocent bystanders get killed. If nobody on our side gets killed and everybody on their side gets killed, is that winning?  Ladies, here’s your chance.  Stand up for the human spirit before these guys jump over the edge.

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By jean gerard, July 24, 2009 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment
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To conduct this kind of remote control warfare, soldiers (and the people who pay for them) have to be desensitized.  The connection between what they are doing and the effects of what they are doing must be broken.  As the guy said:  “We have to over-ride the human factor.”  The human factor?  What’s that?  We’ve been overriding it in every war since the ancient Chinese guy who wrote the book on it.  The real problem for human beings now is how to reclaim “the human factor” which is nothing less than the dreaded “empathy factor” which so obviously worried Sotomajor’s “investigators.” Mothers, sisters, now’s your chance.  Save these guys before they go off the edge!

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By bogi666, July 24, 2009 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

It turn out that the movie “The Terminator” was prophecy, not fiction.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 24, 2009 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

Yes the “Brave New World” and it is already upon us. We are just past the cusp of it. The USA will be busy with the most number and variation to be deployed first. Other countries and groups will make use of them in greater numbers within 10 years or sooner.

It will really be the “Drone Wars” and it will be even better for the external empire that is the USA. They can limit personnel risk and use the drones as a force multiplier in their wars in the asymmetrical realm. Of course this technology can and probably has been used within the USA too. [How many of those UFOs are really robot drones of some kind?]

The new generation of drone warriors will be without piloting experience nor need it either. Their skills and reflexes honed in thousands of hours of video games, especially war based ones, will be of greater import than actually flying a plane.

To the USA warrior killing the target by any means is more important than a misplaced view of chivalry by other cultures they do not know or care to understand. To them honor is in winning.

Welcome to the future, it is now.

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